[00:00] <oys> chealer: nope. I don't. I've got a couple of changes that I'd like to be implementing but don't have very much experience yet.
[00:01] <oys> in a way it's nice to have someone review a patch before it's commited.
[00:03] <chealer> oys: you can always ask for review if you're really unsure. do you known Subversion or version control systems in general?
[00:04] <oys> sort-of.. I've ran one for a personal project once.
[00:05] <chealer> oys: good. let's see if an admin could grant you commit access.
[00:05] <oys> so... if you give me access, i promise to do my best not to break anything and read up on it before making a commit
[00:05] <chealer> nkoth: are you around?
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[00:12] <chealer> hey ibrrorg
[00:12] <chealer> rice just left TikiFestNY
[00:12] <ibrrorg> ah, thanx!  so, did he learn enough to save us?!  ;-)
[00:14] <chealer> ibrrorg: he seemed happy, but I guess he'll know better :-)
[00:14] <ibrrorg> appreciate ya'll letting us sit in!
[00:14] <chealer> it was nice to learn about such a particular use case
[00:16] <chealer> oys: did you read http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3Rules ?
[00:16] * marclaporte cheers oys
[00:16] <ibrrorg> reading now
[00:16] <marclaporte> ibrrorg : Matt was here!
[00:17] <ibrrorg> on the tele with him now
[00:17] <marclaporte> he seemed happy
[00:17] <ibrrorg> says he was VERY HAPPY!
[00:17] * marclaporte was impressed that you are already using pretty trackers :-)
[00:18] <ibrrorg> actually, we hired luciash to do the tracker convert to wiki page; i did the tracker part
[00:18] <ibrrorg> did u get the chance to see the site?
[00:19] <ibrrorg> i can code a bit (a lot in mediawiki) but tiki just seemed to be a better fit and so i am now learning it as i go
[00:19] <chealer> he showed us the site and project Magellan, yes
[00:19] <ibrrorg> good, i am in hopes in finding some books on tiki---any recommendations?
[00:20] <chealer> ibrrorg: we told rice about TikiWiki for Smarties
[00:20] <chealer> not really a book, but close
[00:21] <marclaporte> There are no books, to buy. I think all people that want to contribute content prefer to contribute freely on Tiki-powered sites
[00:21] <ibrrorg> read almost all the site and really like it, but i would actually like to start to learn the nuts and bolts so to speak so i can start to get under the hood
[00:21] <ibrrorg> ah, can understand
[00:22] <luciash> heya ibrrorg :)
[00:22] <ibrrorg> hey luciash howya doin?  did the fellow get ahold of ya?
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[00:23] <luciash> nice to hear your mate liked tikifest :)
[00:23] <ibrrorg> i emailed him and gave him high marks for ur work
[00:23] <ibrrorg> yeah, he was really impressed by the openness of it
[00:23] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24457 10/trunk/tiki-editpage.php: [ENH] If wiki_mandatory_edit_summary and no comment entered show prompt dialogue box for one to be entered (closes wish2087?)
[00:24] <luciash> i was crazy busy whole night and day, maybe tomorrow evening i will contact him, but no promises :)
[00:24] <ibrrorg> i don't know him; googled his site and he seems to be a heavy hitter in norway
[00:24] <luciash> yea
[00:24] <luciash> np
[00:24] <luciash> i already spoke here with him
[00:24] <ibrrorg> emailed me w/a bunch of ASAP stuff and i told him hey the fella will contact u when he is free
[00:25] <luciash> was the documentary at imdb interesting for you btw ?
[00:25] <oys> chealer: reading now. also looked through dev tips. just to double check: CR line-feeds are the ones without ^M at the end, right?
[00:26] <ibrrorg> VERY i actually posted it in a comment on our video section
[00:26] <luciash> cool
[00:26] <ibrrorg> now your fellow mates can say they've met bona fide hobos!  no more hieroglyphics scrawled on the bridges---we're in cyberspace  ha ha ha
[00:27] <luciash> *g* :)
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[00:31] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24458 10/trunk/templates/tiki-editpage-include-edit.tpl: 
[00:31] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: [FIX] "wiki shows no preview in translate edit mode" by removing the condition to avoid showing preview in preview mode, of which I don't understand the reason. Ref issue ID 2446
[00:31] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: alain_desilets: might want to check this
[00:34] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24459 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] Category jail default should indicate that this is a serialized pref
[00:38] <chealer> oys: CRLF is longer than LF. CR can be displayed as a junk ^M on Unix systems.
[00:38] <chealer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRLF
[00:44] <oys> chealer: I figured it out. I was just confused by the fact that fck_tikilink.php uses CRLF when the devtips say not to.
[00:47] <oys> now that I've read it, I'm ready to make my first commit :)
[00:48] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24460 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] if jail is zero, we should allow non-categorized objects to be seen as well, i.e. consider as no jail
[00:51] <chealer> oys: oh...
[00:54] <oys> marclaporte: do you have the time to give me svn write access
[00:54] <marclaporte> oys : can you add to your stack here? http://www.ohloh.net/p/tikiwiki
[00:54] <marclaporte> sure!  What is your SourceForge username?
[00:55] <oys> eoyslebo
[00:58] <chealer> oys:  fck_tikilink.php actually has UNIX newlines in trunk
[01:00] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24461 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] redo prev commit (cleaner code): if jail is zero, we should allow non-categorized objects to be seen as well, i.e. consider as no jail
[01:00] <marclaporte> welcome oys! https://sourceforge.net/users/eoyslebo
[01:00] <marclaporte> and thank you for your contributions
[01:11] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24462 10/trunk/installer/schema/20100117_old_doc_tw_o_url_tiki.sql: 
[01:11] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: [FIX] "Help system: upgrade script should update to new destination on doc.tikiwiki.org" (issue ID 1132)
[01:11] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: Thanks Marc Laporte
[01:20] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24463 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Category jails not setting properly with serialized pref
[01:22] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24464 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [FIX] fixing should work with serialized category_jail pref setting
[01:35] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24465 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [FIX] Non-empty category_jail pref does not necessarily mean in perspective. Because it can be 0.
[01:37] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24466 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [DOC] add comment
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[01:46] <marclaporte> sylvieg1 : you around?  I am wondering in PluginTrackerItemField works for categories?
[01:47] <marclaporte> or luciash would know with SNiPTT Social Networking in Pretty Tiki Trackers
[01:58] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: use comment for external tiki pages - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=36037
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[02:09] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24469 10/trunk/tiki-list_object_permissions.php: [ENH] Add group type to list object perms
[02:09] <oys> have you guys seen http://etherpad.com/7GExuK4i5h ? It would be interesting to explore how something like that could be integrated with a Wiki.
[02:10] <oys> it's basically collaborative editing in realtime.
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[02:18] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24471 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] rollback r24314 as it breaks #anchor links.
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[02:21] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r24470 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] typo
[02:21] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24467 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Add links to perm "reason" on object perms list to edit them (half of wish2870).
[02:21] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24472 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] Proper rollback of r24314
[02:22] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r24473 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Show category watch icons for all categories in browse category tree. Still need to implement for phplayers.
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[02:35] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r24474 10/trunk/tiki-browse_categories.php: [FIX] Tidying up - no functional change.
[02:46] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24475 10/trunk/lib/commentslib.php: [FIX] name and description are ambiguius (in both tiki_objects and tiki_forums
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[03:04] <Caarrie> luciash: the spamers are reported back you might need to chanage mode again
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[03:20] <marclaporte> oys : realtime editing would be nice
[03:34] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24476 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Show object names instead of object Id in object permission list
[03:38] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24477 10/trunk/tiki-list_object_permissions.php: [MOD] Remove unnecessary call (looks like previous cut and paste left behind)
[03:39] <oys> marclaporte: a simple way to implement it would be if each WikiPage had a link to http://etherpad.local/WikiPage-talk
[03:39] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24478 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: get_jail(): return empty array instead of null of there is no category filter
[03:41] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24479 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-breadcrumb.php: 
[03:41] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: [FIX] Last visited pages module filtering uncategorized pages
[03:41] <CIA-77> tikiwiki: From Nelson Ko
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[03:42] <oys> a more interesting sample etherpad page about the Haiti earthquake is here: http://etherpad.com/ep/pad/view/p6at5gEKvz/latest
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[03:58] <chealer> oys: thanks for your commit
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[10:04] <chibaguy> polom
[10:04] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Blog doesn't automatic approved? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=36039
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[11:27] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2992 - - Language.php has strange characters codification - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2992
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[15:39] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Questions/Answers tikiwiki based site - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36044
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[16:59] <chealer> Caarrie: CIA-77 looks dead, are you aware of anything?
[16:59] <Caarrie> nope
[16:59] <Caarrie> but i can take a look in a few
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[17:01] <chealer> Caarrie: thanks
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[17:03] <Caarrie> chealer: does https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki look right?
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[17:06] <Caarrie> chealer: http://cia.vc/stats/project/tikiwiki is updating correctly, bot seems to be acting up
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[17:08] <chealer> Caarrie: it does look right
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[17:44] <chealer> http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24079&vpn=CT12864AC667&manufacture=CRUCIAL%20TECHNOLOGY
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[19:28] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: unable to create a new group - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36045
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[20:49] <oys> is there a foss generic translation project that I can lookk to for inspiration when translating a new language?
[20:50] <oys> I feel that especially for "standard" phrases such as "New forum post" etc, there must exist prior work. this would also be good for consistency.
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[21:19] <chealer> Caarrie: CIA-7 doesn't seem better than his father...
[21:19] <Caarrie> no idea you could try their irc channel
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[21:24] <rlpowell> If I install php 5.3, should I expect total explosion in Tiki?
[21:24] <chealer> Caarrie: do you know if there's anyone responsible for the bot here?
[21:25] <Caarrie> for cia? anyone that wants to, i have access to it on cia.vc but nothing says it is not working
[21:25] <sylvieg> rlpowell: IMHO it is the same risk than 4.x ... more or less
[21:25] <chealer> rlpowell: you shouldn't, but we experienced at least one OpenID issue. there are surely more...
[21:25] <chealer> heh
[21:26] <chealer> I would think PHP 4 on Tiki 4 is much, much worst thatn 5.3
[21:26] <chealer> Caarrie: there were several commits since yesterday. some less than an hour ago
[21:27] <Caarrie> i know they are on the cia website, but not here
[21:27] <rlpowell> Unfortunately, I'm hitting some very bad memory problems.
[21:28] <rlpowell> Pages with lots of tiki links are running out of memory... the limit is 128MiB
[21:28] <rlpowell> Which is insane.
[21:29] <sylvieg> tiki links as ((page))?
[21:29] <rlpowell> Yes.
[21:29] <chealer> Caarrie: right. sorry, what did you mean then by nothing says it is not working?
[21:30] <Caarrie> the website about this cia bot looks correct
[21:30] <rlpowell> It happens in just 3 lines of tikilib.php, but I don't see that it's doing anything particularily unreasonable.
[21:30] <chealer> Caarrie: right, I just wish the bot actually worked
[21:31] <Caarrie> which is why i suggest someone try the cia irc channel
[21:31] <chealer> oh
[21:31] <chealer> that must be a spam issue
[21:32] <chealer> freenode
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[21:47] <oys> tryed using google translate to automatically translate all untranslated terms, but it was crappy and unreliable. has anyone experimented with "importing" translations from other foss projects?
[21:50] <chealer> oys: I didn't, but you may want to try #pootle
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[22:02] <SEWilco2> I'm trying to get Page Selector working in TW 4.  Might have found a tracker bug.  "page selector" type field shows ((10 Best)) instead of hotlinked 10 Best.
[22:03] <sylvieg> luciash: around
[22:03] <SEWilco2> (That is a trivial bug for my test... I'm not getting the Page Selector tpl to display data.  Sigh.)
[22:03] <sylvieg> about SEWilco2 problem
[22:03] <sylvieg> I need to rol back the fix from yesterday showlinks is only for link to the item
[22:07] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Whatever.  I simply changed the pagetracker value so it did not start with a number.  It's just a test/demo and doesn't matter until client likes it.
[22:08] <SEWilco2> (And because I'm not seeing output in the pseudopage, there's nothing for the client to see.  I'm trying to figure out how to debug Page Tracker.)
[22:09] <sylvieg> not sure I understand the problem
[22:09] <sylvieg> it display the parenthesis instead of the link?
[22:09] <sylvieg> or it is a parsing bug...
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[22:18] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Yes, it shows (( )) instead of linking.  Happens when name starts with numbers.
[22:19] <rlpowell> If you do a lot of ((links)) in a row, after a while each additional link consumes 26KiB of RAM.  -_-
[22:19] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: That's undoubtedly a bug in the code to list tracker items.  Separately, I'm trying to get Pretty Tracker/Page Selector working, but for that I can't tell whether I'm hitting a bug or not.
[22:19] <rlpowell> Not good.
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[22:19] <sylvieg> chealer?
[22:20] <SEWilco2> rlpowell: I assume you mean PHP RAM, not browser RAM.
[22:20] <rlpowell> SEWilco2: Corroct.
[22:23] <rlpowell> 0.o
[22:23] <rlpowell> It's str_replace.
[22:24] <rlpowell> Leaking really badly. :(
[22:25] <chealer> hi sylvieg
[22:26] <sylvieg> I answered on devel - why taking away the tiki search
[22:26] <sylvieg> depending on appllication I use or the other - because tiki search works on parsed info
[22:26] <SEWilco2> rlpowell: Maybe you should file a tracker item so someone will remember to take a look.
[22:27] <rlpowell> SEWilco2: I kinda have to fix this now; it's breaking my site.
[22:27] <sylvieg> s/../I use the tiki search
[22:27] <rlpowell> SEWilco2: And it's a PHP bug anyways, not a tiki bug.
[22:28] <rlpowell> (unless that's what you meant?)
[22:29] <SEWilco2> rlpowell: I hate when that happens.  I don't hear anyone commenting on it.  It's obviously in the wiki parser.  Maybe there's a different PHP function which can be used.
[22:30] <SEWilco2> rlpowell: At least you've narrowed down the problem very well.  I'm only getting to stare at an empty area where data should be. :-)
[22:31] <rlpowell> Oh, are you hitting something similar?
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[22:32] <sylvieg> SEWilco2: in which view you have the problem with ((10 Bugs))?
[22:33] <sylvieg> pretty tracker? view item? view tracker?
[22:33] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: The one which lists the items which are in a tracker.  The regular tracker item list page.
[22:33] <sylvieg> strange I can not reproduce..
[22:33] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: I'm not getting any Pretty Tracker output, so there's nothing to see there.
[22:35] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: I think this is a TW 4.1 site... whatever the recent stable version is.
[22:35] <sylvieg> ok I am on trunk.. I am always in the wrong version when I test..
[22:36] <SEWilco2> sylvieg: Well, take it as a hint that someone might have fixed it in trunk.
[22:37] <chealer> sylvieg: there was no strong reason, but to kill code and simplify building on restored MySQL-centricity.
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[22:45] <Kaapa> hello everyone
[22:45] <Kaapa> I'm trying to install tikiwiki but I'm having an error in the installer right after I select a template
[22:45] <Kaapa> I get a blank page and an error in the logs:
[22:45] <Kaapa> PHP Warning:  asort() expects parameter 1 to be arr
[22:45] <Kaapa> ay, null given in /storage/var/www/htdocs/tiki/templates_c/en^%%F7^F7F^F7F34188%%header.tpl.php on line 139, r
[22:46] <Kaapa> eferer: http://neraka.no-ip.org:8081/tiki/tiki-install.php
[22:46] <Kaapa> (sorry for the multiline)
[22:47] <chealer> Kaapa: a "template"?
[22:47] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2993 - - Cannot save my changes of a wiki-page - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2993
[22:47] <Kaapa> I'm sorry, the installation profile
[22:51] <SEWilco2> Kaapa: Which profile did you choose?  I can't help you, but that info might help someone else understand better.
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[22:52] <Kaapa> the default one
[22:52] <SEWilco2> Kaapa: Did you try a different profile and still get that error?
[22:52] <Kaapa> yes
[22:53] <Kaapa> seems to be working now..
[22:53] <chealer> Kaapa: which Tiki version are you installing?
[22:53] <SEWilco2> Kaapa: If memory serves me, that question comes after database initialization.  Did you click the button on the right to initialize the database?
[22:53] <SEWilco2> Kaapa: It's working?  I fixed it!  :-)
[22:53] <Kaapa> heh
[22:53] <Kaapa> chealer: 4.1
[22:54] <Kaapa> what!?
[22:54] <Kaapa> This is TikiWiki 1.9.7
[22:55] <Kaapa> oh... god...
[22:55] <chealer> Kaapa: eh, I don't think Tiki 1 is still supported
[22:55] * Kaapa moves away in shame
[22:55] <SEWilco2> God?  Where!?
[22:55] <SEWilco2> Kaapa:  If you want to upgrade, I think the path is to go to 2, then again upgrade to 3, then again to 4.
[22:56] <SEWilco2> Kaapa: Thanks for checking the version.
[22:56] <Kaapa> SEWilco2: no, I want a fresh install. but I had an ond version and I forgot about it
[22:56] <Kaapa> I was puzzled, cause looked... really ugly :)
[22:57] <SEWilco2> Oh, so your Apache config was pointing at the old place?  Yeah.  Problem at the switchboard.
[22:59] <Kaapa> PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function iconv_
[22:59] <Kaapa> get_encoding()
[22:59] <Kaapa> when I try to test send email, is this known?
[23:02] <Kaapa> PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function iconv_
[23:02] <Kaapa> damn...
[23:03] <Kaapa> Call to undefined function ctype_digit()
[23:03] <Kaapa> there's something wrong with my php installation
[23:05] <rlpowell> SEWilco2: It's *not* str_replace leaking.  Yay.
[23:09] <SEWilco2> rlpowell: So I hope you didn't file a PHP bug report. :-)
[23:09] <rlpowell> No.
[23:09] <chealer> Kaapa: which PHP version do you use?
[23:09] <rlpowell> Was working on a minimal test.
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[23:10] <Kaapa> chealer: 5.2.11
[23:11] <chealer> Kaapa: what's your OS/setup?
[23:12] <Kaapa> chealer: linux, slackware, default Apache/2.2.13 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/5.2.11
[23:15] <Kaapa> hum, my php was built with --enable-ctype=shared
[23:15] <chealer> Kaapa: the requirements are known to be incomplete. one might have trouble getting it to work on exotic systems.
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[23:16] <Kaapa> I can't believe my system is "exotic"
[23:16] <Kaapa> something's fishy here
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[23:24] <Kaapa> fixed!
[23:24] <Kaapa> bad php.ini
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[23:47] <Kaapa> can somewhere give me a quick info on the profiles feature?
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[23:48] <Kaapa> when I click on the apply profile now for company intranet, do I need to do anything else?
[23:49] <Kaapa> when I click on the profile, just stays on the "Loading profile" and nothing else
[23:53] <Kaapa> just saw a video that showed me that something else should have happened :p
[23:56] <rlpowell> Is there a way to get PHP to tell you what the memory limit is?
[23:57] <rlpowell> Not how much it's using ,but how much it *can* use?
[23:57] <sylvieg> php.ini memory_limit
[23:57] <sylvieg> if the asetting is on
[23:57] <rlpowell> From within a script, I mean.
[23:57] <sylvieg> ine_get('memory_linit') perhaps
[23:57] <sylvieg> ini_get
[23:58] <rlpowell> I found the memory problem; tikilib's get_page_info now caches a lot of info about every page in RAM.
[23:58] <rlpowell> If you have hundreds or thousands of internal links on a page, this gets problematic fairly quickly.