#tikiwiki 2010-01-18,Mon

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Who	What	When
oys	chealer: nope. I don't. I've got a couple of changes that I'd like to be implementing but don't have very much experience yet. in a way it's nice to have someone review a patch before it's commited.	[00:00]
chealer	oys: you can always ask for review if you're really unsure. do you known Subversion or version control systems in general?	[00:03]
oys	sort-of.. I've ran one for a personal project once.	[00:04]
chealer	oys: good. let's see if an admin could grant you commit access.	[00:05]
oys	so... if you give me access, i promise to do my best not to break anything and read up on it before making a commit	[00:05]
chealer	nkoth: are you around?	[00:05]
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chealer	hey ibrrorg rice just left TikiFestNY	[00:12]
ibrrorg	ah, thanx! so, did he learn enough to save us?! ;-)	[00:12]
chealer	ibrrorg: he seemed happy, but I guess he'll know better :-)	[00:14]
ibrrorg	appreciate ya'll letting us sit in!	[00:14]
chealer	it was nice to learn about such a particular use case oys: did you read http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3Rules ?	[00:14]
marclaporte	marclaporte cheers oys	[00:16]
ibrrorg	reading now	[00:16]
marclaporte	ibrrorg : Matt was here!	[00:16]
ibrrorg	on the tele with him now	[00:17]
marclaporte	he seemed happy	[00:17]
ibrrorg	says he was VERY HAPPY!	[00:17]
marclaporte	marclaporte was impressed that you are already using pretty trackers :-)	[00:17]
ibrrorg	actually, we hired luciash to do the tracker convert to wiki page; i did the tracker part did u get the chance to see the site? i can code a bit (a lot in mediawiki) but tiki just seemed to be a better fit and so i am now learning it as i go	[00:18]
chealer	he showed us the site and project Magellan, yes	[00:19]
ibrrorg	good, i am in hopes in finding some books on tiki---any recommendations?	[00:19]
chealer	ibrrorg: we told rice about TikiWiki for Smarties not really a book, but close	[00:20]
marclaporte	There are no books, to buy. I think all people that want to contribute content prefer to contribute freely on Tiki-powered sites	[00:21]
ibrrorg	read almost all the site and really like it, but i would actually like to start to learn the nuts and bolts so to speak so i can start to get under the hood ah, can understand	[00:21]
luciash	heya ibrrorg :)	[00:22]
ibrrorg	hey luciash howya doin? did the fellow get ahold of ya?	[00:22]
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luciash	nice to hear your mate liked tikifest :)	[00:23]
ibrrorg	i emailed him and gave him high marks for ur work yeah, he was really impressed by the openness of it	[00:23]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24457 10/trunk/tiki-editpage.php: [ENH] If wiki_mandatory_edit_summary and no comment entered show prompt dialogue box for one to be entered (closes wish2087?)	[00:23]
luciash	i was crazy busy whole night and day, maybe tomorrow evening i will contact him, but no promises :)	[00:24]
ibrrorg	i don't know him; googled his site and he seems to be a heavy hitter in norway	[00:24]
luciash	yea np i already spoke here with him	[00:24]
ibrrorg	emailed me w/a bunch of ASAP stuff and i told him hey the fella will contact u when he is free	[00:24]
luciash	was the documentary at imdb interesting for you btw ?	[00:25]
oys	chealer: reading now. also looked through dev tips. just to double check: CR line-feeds are the ones without ^M at the end, right?	[00:25]
ibrrorg	VERY i actually posted it in a comment on our video section	[00:26]
luciash	cool	[00:26]
ibrrorg	now your fellow mates can say they've met bona fide hobos! no more hieroglyphics scrawled on the bridges---we're in cyberspace ha ha ha	[00:26]
luciash	g :)	[00:27]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24458 10/trunk/templates/tiki-editpage-include-edit.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX] "wiki shows no preview in translate edit mode" by removing the condition to avoid showing preview in preview mode, of which I don't understand the reason. Ref issue ID 2446 tikiwiki: alain_desilets: might want to check this tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24459 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] Category jail default should indicate that this is a serialized pref	[00:31]
chealer	oys: CRLF is longer than LF. CR can be displayed as a junk ^M on Unix systems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRLF	[00:38]
oys	chealer: I figured it out. I was just confused by the fact that fck_tikilink.php uses CRLF when the devtips say not to. now that I've read it, I'm ready to make my first commit :)	[00:44]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24460 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] if jail is zero, we should allow non-categorized objects to be seen as well, i.e. consider as no jail	[00:48]
chealer	oys: oh...	[00:51]
oys	marclaporte: do you have the time to give me svn write access	[00:54]
marclaporte	oys : can you add to your stack here? http://www.ohloh.net/p/tikiwiki sure! What is your SourceForge username?	[00:54]
oys	eoyslebo	[00:55]
chealer	oys: fck_tikilink.php actually has UNIX newlines in trunk	[00:58]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24461 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] redo prev commit (cleaner code): if jail is zero, we should allow non-categorized objects to be seen as well, i.e. consider as no jail	[01:00]
marclaporte	welcome oys! https://sourceforge.net/users/eoyslebo and thank you for your contributions	[01:00]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24462 10/trunk/installer/schema/20100117_old_doc_tw_o_url_tiki.sql: tikiwiki: [FIX] "Help system: upgrade script should update to new destination on doc.tikiwiki.org" (issue ID 1132) tikiwiki: Thanks Marc Laporte	[01:11]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24463 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] Category jails not setting properly with serialized pref tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24464 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [FIX] fixing should work with serialized category_jail pref setting	[01:20]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24465 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [FIX] Non-empty category_jail pref does not necessarily mean in perspective. Because it can be 0. tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24466 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [DOC] add comment	[01:35]
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marclaporte	sylvieg1 : you around? I am wondering in PluginTrackerItemField works for categories? or luciash would know with SNiPTT Social Networking in Pretty Tiki Trackers	[01:46]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24469 10/trunk/tiki-list_object_permissions.php: [ENH] Add group type to list object perms	[02:09]
oys	have you guys seen http://etherpad.com/7GExuK4i5h ? It would be interesting to explore how something like that could be integrated with a Wiki. it's basically collaborative editing in realtime.	[02:09]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24471 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] rollback r24314 as it breaks #anchor links.	[02:18]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r24470 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] typo tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24467 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Add links to perm "reason" on object perms list to edit them (half of wish2870). tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24472 10/trunk/templates/header.tpl: [FIX] Proper rollback of r24314 tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r24473 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Show category watch icons for all categories in browse category tree. Still need to implement for phplayers.	[02:21]
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CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r24474 10/trunk/tiki-browse_categories.php: [FIX] Tidying up - no functional change.	[02:35]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24475 10/trunk/lib/commentslib.php: [FIX] name and description are ambiguius (in both tiki_objects and tiki_forums	[02:46]
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Caarrie	luciash: the spamers are reported back you might need to chanage mode again	[03:04]
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marclaporte	oys : realtime editing would be nice	[03:20]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24476 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Show object names instead of object Id in object permission list tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r24477 10/trunk/tiki-list_object_permissions.php: [MOD] Remove unnecessary call (looks like previous cut and paste left behind)	[03:34]
oys	marclaporte: a simple way to implement it would be if each WikiPage had a link to http://etherpad.local/WikiPage-talk	[03:39]
CIA-77	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24478 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: get_jail(): return empty array instead of null of there is no category filter tikiwiki: 03chealer * r24479 10/trunk/modules/mod-func-breadcrumb.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] Last visited pages module filtering uncategorized pages tikiwiki: From Nelson Ko	[03:39]
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oys	a more interesting sample etherpad page about the Haiti earthquake is here: http://etherpad.com/ep/pad/view/p6at5gEKvz/latest	[03:42]
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chealer	oys: thanks for your commit	[03:58]
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chealer	Caarrie: CIA-77 looks dead, are you aware of anything?	[16:59]
Caarrie	nope but i can take a look in a few	[16:59]
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chealer	Caarrie: thanks	[17:01]
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Caarrie	chealer: does https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki look right?	[17:03]
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Caarrie	chealer: http://cia.vc/stats/project/tikiwiki is updating correctly, bot seems to be acting up	[17:06]
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chealer	Caarrie: it does look right	[17:08]
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chealer	http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=24079&vpn=CT12864AC667&manufacture=CRUCIAL%20TECHNOLOGY	[17:44]
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oys	is there a foss generic translation project that I can lookk to for inspiration when translating a new language? I feel that especially for "standard" phrases such as "New forum post" etc, there must exist prior work. this would also be good for consistency.	[20:49]
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chealer	Caarrie: CIA-7 doesn't seem better than his father...	[21:19]
Caarrie	no idea you could try their irc channel	[21:19]
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rlpowell	If I install php 5.3, should I expect total explosion in Tiki?	[21:24]
chealer	Caarrie: do you know if there's anyone responsible for the bot here?	[21:24]
Caarrie	for cia? anyone that wants to, i have access to it on cia.vc but nothing says it is not working	[21:25]
sylvieg	rlpowell: IMHO it is the same risk than 4.x ... more or less	[21:25]
chealer	rlpowell: you shouldn't, but we experienced at least one OpenID issue. there are surely more... heh I would think PHP 4 on Tiki 4 is much, much worst thatn 5.3 Caarrie: there were several commits since yesterday. some less than an hour ago	[21:25]
Caarrie	i know they are on the cia website, but not here	[21:27]
rlpowell	Unfortunately, I'm hitting some very bad memory problems. Pages with lots of tiki links are running out of memory... the limit is 128MiB Which is insane.	[21:27]
sylvieg	tiki links as ((page))?	[21:29]
rlpowell	Yes.	[21:29]
chealer	Caarrie: right. sorry, what did you mean then by nothing says it is not working?	[21:29]
Caarrie	the website about this cia bot looks correct	[21:30]
rlpowell	It happens in just 3 lines of tikilib.php, but I don't see that it's doing anything particularily unreasonable.	[21:30]
chealer	Caarrie: right, I just wish the bot actually worked	[21:30]
Caarrie	which is why i suggest someone try the cia irc channel	[21:31]
chealer	oh that must be a spam issue freenode	[21:31]
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oys	tryed using google translate to automatically translate all untranslated terms, but it was crappy and unreliable. has anyone experimented with "importing" translations from other foss projects?	[21:47]
chealer	oys: I didn't, but you may want to try #pootle	[21:50]
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SEWilco2	I'm trying to get Page Selector working in TW 4. Might have found a tracker bug. "page selector" type field shows ((10 Best)) instead of hotlinked 10 Best.	[22:02]
sylvieg	luciash: around	[22:03]
SEWilco2	(That is a trivial bug for my test... I'm not getting the Page Selector tpl to display data. Sigh.)	[22:03]
sylvieg	about SEWilco2 problem I need to rol back the fix from yesterday showlinks is only for link to the item	[22:03]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: Whatever. I simply changed the pagetracker value so it did not start with a number. It's just a test/demo and doesn't matter until client likes it. (And because I'm not seeing output in the pseudopage, there's nothing for the client to see. I'm trying to figure out how to debug Page Tracker.)	[22:07]
sylvieg	not sure I understand the problem it display the parenthesis instead of the link? or it is a parsing bug...	[22:09]
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SEWilco2	sylvieg: Yes, it shows (( )) instead of linking. Happens when name starts with numbers.	[22:18]
rlpowell	If you do a lot of ((links)) in a row, after a while each additional link consumes 26KiB of RAM. -_-	[22:19]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: That's undoubtedly a bug in the code to list tracker items. Separately, I'm trying to get Pretty Tracker/Page Selector working, but for that I can't tell whether I'm hitting a bug or not.	[22:19]
rlpowell	Not good.	[22:19]
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sylvieg	chealer?	[22:19]
SEWilco2	rlpowell: I assume you mean PHP RAM, not browser RAM.	[22:20]
rlpowell	SEWilco2: Corroct. 0.o It's str_replace. Leaking really badly. :(	[22:20]
chealer	hi sylvieg	[22:25]
sylvieg	I answered on devel - why taking away the tiki search depending on appllication I use or the other - because tiki search works on parsed info	[22:26]
SEWilco2	rlpowell: Maybe you should file a tracker item so someone will remember to take a look.	[22:26]
rlpowell	SEWilco2: I kinda have to fix this now; it's breaking my site.	[22:27]
sylvieg	s/../I use the tiki search	[22:27]
rlpowell	SEWilco2: And it's a PHP bug anyways, not a tiki bug. (unless that's what you meant?)	[22:27]
SEWilco2	rlpowell: I hate when that happens. I don't hear anyone commenting on it. It's obviously in the wiki parser. Maybe there's a different PHP function which can be used. rlpowell: At least you've narrowed down the problem very well. I'm only getting to stare at an empty area where data should be. :-)	[22:29]
rlpowell	Oh, are you hitting something similar?	[22:31]
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sylvieg	SEWilco2: in which view you have the problem with ((10 Bugs))? pretty tracker? view item? view tracker?	[22:32]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: The one which lists the items which are in a tracker. The regular tracker item list page.	[22:33]
sylvieg	strange I can not reproduce..	[22:33]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: I'm not getting any Pretty Tracker output, so there's nothing to see there. sylvieg: I think this is a TW 4.1 site... whatever the recent stable version is.	[22:33]
sylvieg	ok I am on trunk.. I am always in the wrong version when I test..	[22:35]
SEWilco2	sylvieg: Well, take it as a hint that someone might have fixed it in trunk.	[22:36]
chealer	sylvieg: there was no strong reason, but to kill code and simplify building on restored MySQL-centricity.	[22:37]
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Kaapa	hello everyone I'm trying to install tikiwiki but I'm having an error in the installer right after I select a template I get a blank page and an error in the logs: PHP Warning: asort() expects parameter 1 to be arr ay, null given in /storage/var/www/htdocs/tiki/templates_c/en^%%F7^F7F^F7F34188%%header.tpl.php on line 139, r eferer: http://neraka.no-ip.org:8081/tiki/tiki-install.php (sorry for the multiline)	[22:45]
chealer	Kaapa: a "template"?	[22:47]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #2993 - - Cannot save my changes of a wiki-page - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=2993	[22:47]
Kaapa	I'm sorry, the installation profile	[22:47]
SEWilco2	Kaapa: Which profile did you choose? I can't help you, but that info might help someone else understand better.	[22:51]
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Kaapa	the default one	[22:52]
SEWilco2	Kaapa: Did you try a different profile and still get that error?	[22:52]
Kaapa	yes seems to be working now..	[22:52]
chealer	Kaapa: which Tiki version are you installing?	[22:53]
SEWilco2	Kaapa: If memory serves me, that question comes after database initialization. Did you click the button on the right to initialize the database? Kaapa: It's working? I fixed it! :-)	[22:53]
Kaapa	heh chealer: 4.1 what!? This is TikiWiki 1.9.7 oh... god...	[22:53]
chealer	Kaapa: eh, I don't think Tiki 1 is still supported	[22:55]
Kaapa	Kaapa moves away in shame	[22:55]
SEWilco2	God? Where!? Kaapa: If you want to upgrade, I think the path is to go to 2, then again upgrade to 3, then again to 4. Kaapa: Thanks for checking the version.	[22:55]
Kaapa	SEWilco2: no, I want a fresh install. but I had an ond version and I forgot about it I was puzzled, cause looked... really ugly :)	[22:56]
SEWilco2	Oh, so your Apache config was pointing at the old place? Yeah. Problem at the switchboard.	[22:57]
Kaapa	PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function iconv_ get_encoding() when I try to test send email, is this known? PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function iconv_ damn... Call to undefined function ctype_digit() there's something wrong with my php installation	[22:59]
rlpowell	SEWilco2: It's not str_replace leaking. Yay.	[23:05]
SEWilco2	rlpowell: So I hope you didn't file a PHP bug report. :-)	[23:09]
rlpowell	No.	[23:09]
chealer	Kaapa: which PHP version do you use?	[23:09]
rlpowell	Was working on a minimal test.	[23:09]
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Kaapa	chealer: 5.2.11	[23:10]
chealer	Kaapa: what's your OS/setup?	[23:11]
Kaapa	chealer: linux, slackware, default Apache/2.2.13 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/5.2.11 hum, my php was built with --enable-ctype=shared	[23:12]
chealer	Kaapa: the requirements are known to be incomplete. one might have trouble getting it to work on exotic systems.	[23:15]
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Kaapa	I can't believe my system is "exotic" something's fishy here	[23:16]
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Kaapa	fixed! bad php.ini	[23:24]
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Kaapa	can somewhere give me a quick info on the profiles feature?	[23:47]
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Kaapa	when I click on the apply profile now for company intranet, do I need to do anything else? when I click on the profile, just stays on the "Loading profile" and nothing else just saw a video that showed me that something else should have happened :p	[23:48]
rlpowell	Is there a way to get PHP to tell you what the memory limit is? Not how much it's using ,but how much it can use?	[23:56]
sylvieg	php.ini memory_limit if the asetting is on	[23:57]
rlpowell	From within a script, I mean.	[23:57]
sylvieg	ine_get('memory_linit') perhaps ini_get	[23:57]
rlpowell	I found the memory problem; tikilib's get_page_info now caches a lot of info about every page in RAM. If you have hundreds or thousands of internal links on a page, this gets problematic fairly quickly.	[23:58]

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