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iamolaf: I am unable to see my "editing and plugins" page. when i click on it, it just gives me a blank screen. Any suggestions?
luciash: >whatis memory_limit
Sug4r: 'memory_limit' could be the most frequently asked question about trouble getting blank pages. The PHP memory_limit should be >= 16M (see your php.ini). You can check it with <?php echo ini_get('memory_limit'); ?> and read more at http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements+and+Setup&bl#PHP
iamolaf: memory limit is at 2512M
luciash: ah, wow
<br> :)
iamolaf: yeah
<br> i wanted to make sure memory wasnt the issue
luciash: can u enable PHP errors on Admin home → General ?
iamolaf: let me do that now
<br> lol
luciash: wha?
iamolaf: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 25165824 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 491520 bytes) in /hsphere/local/home/ccidtech/iamolaf.com/tikiwiki/templates_c/en^%%F8^F87^F8728316%%module.tpl.php on line 92
luciash: eh, seems some module causes it
iamolaf: so should i just go ape and get rid of modules until its fixed
<br> shot in the dark
luciash: no idea why it happens on the Editing and Plugins page
iamolaf: me either
<br> my mind is a little blown
chealer: <u>iamolaf</u>: heh, looks like you mixed M-s with kilobytes
luciash: heh, chealer is right :)
iamolaf: memory_limit = 5512M
luciash: but "25165824 bytes exhausted" is cca 25M
iamolaf: you are correct
<br> huh
<br> soooo
<br> what do i do?
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chealer: <u>iamolaf</u>: set your memory limit to at least 32M. you may need to investigate why your memory limit doesn't match that line.
iamolaf: im doing that now
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iamolaf: im on with the host they are checking it now
<br> oh and thanks by the way. i was getting pretty frustrated.
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iamolaf: SICK!! its working now
<br> thank god
<br> and you guys
<br> and gals
<br> which ever
luciash: np :) good u figured it out
iamolaf: i didnt figure anything
<br> haha
luciash: *g*
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iamolaf: farewell for now.
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gerbert: can i create a descent Questions/Answers tikiwiki v4 based site?
<br> which plugins/features would be helpful?
<br> even though i can utilize tracker plugin for data entry form,still i cant use wiki format in the text area fields of the tracker as well as Score feature. what are the other options ?
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<br> tikiwiki: Thanks Pascal St-Jean
chealer: <u>gerbert</u>: there is a FAQ feature.
gerbert: FAQ is too primitive to be used for something similart to answers.com
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<br> tikiwiki: [FIX] case where Calendar filter is not set and feature_default_calendars is used. oops
<br> tikiwiki: [FIX] Don't display if none of the requested calendars can be viewed
<br> tikiwiki: [ENH/FIX] Restore support for filtering with multiple calendars, now working (hopefully)
<br> tikiwiki: Calendar module: "calendarId" becomes "calIds". just say if you were using it, I'll make the conversion
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yohomer: Hi. What's the permission object which controls ability of users to configure modules under MyTiki ?
<br> v44.1
<br> er 4.1
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yohomer: I find only tiki_p_configure_modules ... and expect that my trouble is centered on this being either set or not properly read; both of which seem improbable; I find it in database Table: users_permissions as level=registered, type=user, admin=<NULL>
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yohomer: Enabling "Show Login Controls" enables user management of modules for Administrator ... but only the Admin.
<br> even with "Display modules to all groups always" enabled
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luciash: <u>yohomer</u>: hi
<br> <u>yohomer</u>: you allow users to configure modules on Admin → Modules or Admin → Community iirc
<br> <u>yohomer</u>: that means their own prefs, not the global modules
<br> anybody knows if i can change the browser title from wiki page tracker template ?
<br> nobody knows more than luci :-p
<br> (regarding his questions :))
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ricks99: hi all :-)
luciash: hi ricks99
ricks99: hi luciash
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coaboa: hello again: regarding theme milkyway -> IE 8 (V. 8.0.71) doesn't display the login correct. there is only a very smal (appr. 2*15 px) grey clickable line where the login should be. So some users can't log in.
<br> err seen also on themes.tikiwiki.org
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RavenC: hi all
chibaguy: <u>coaboa</u>: Seems to me it was ok when the theme was being developed. The overlap at themes.tw.o may be due to the row of links at the top of the header that pushes down the div that holds the logo, etc.
<br> Anyway, I suggest you use the log-in module for now, in a side column, and turn off the site header login form.
<br> I'm not sure how soon I can fix that form.
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luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: or you can use link to /login or /tiki-login.php for now
yohomer: <u>luciash</u>: hi; yes, Admin home -> Module has the configuration "Users can configure modules"
luciash: <u>yohomer</u>: and when they go to tiki-my_tiki.php do they see modules section ?
chibaguy: It's strange because you can see at http://zukakakina.com/tiki-index.php (change the theme to Milkyway) that the form is visible in IE8. It's positioned absolutely, so shouldn't move, and there's nothing that has a background that would cover it up.
coaboa: can I display the login modul only if IE or Maxton is detected and @ same time switch of the loginbar? If Y please tell me how ;-) THX in advance
yohomer: <u>luciash</u>: only the admin does
coaboa: could you reproduce it @ themes.tw.o or is it "my" IE 8
chibaguy: Themes also has the problem.
yohomer: <u>luciash</u>: also only in the menu, not in the panel
chibaguy: What's in your header (in terms of logo, site title, etc.)?
yohomer: menu responds with "You do not have permission to use this feature"
coaboa: my local inst does have the error and @ zukakakina it looks fine
chibaguy: I don't know if it's possible to display a module based on browser, and don't think it's worth the effort to figure it out. Why not just display the module to all browsers?
yohomer: unless also feature_modulecontrols is set by Admin home -> Module
luciash: tiki_p_configure_modules is what your users group needs
<br> then on tiki-admin.php?page=module "Users can configure modules."
<br> that should be all to access tiki-user_modules.php (iirc)
yohomer: yes; but in my experience, that's good in theory only, not in practice :(
chibaguy: coaboa, sorry but I think you should take the easiest path to get a usable login form for all the site users, which means using the module.
coaboa: So I'lll swicch theme for IE browsers. Hoped that I could avoid that because of consistency. thx.
chibaguy: why not just use the login module at the right column?
coaboa: the MANAGEMENT prefered the loginbar. So i have to use it. They discarded the login-mod because of addspace
chibaguy: ah, the management.
luciash: <u>yohomer</u>: it worked last time i checked
<br> <u>coaboa</u>: you can use your own custom login form btw
<br> just copy and paste the code of the login box in your custom header code
chibaguy: coaboa, I'll try to fix that form for ie8, but I can't get to it for at least a week or two.
luciash: and eventually use {if $user}...{else}...{/if} switch
<br> to switch after user logs in to display something else than the login input
coaboa: thats sounds cool. thx
luciash: <u>yohomer</u>: seems you are right... there must be a bug in the perms check for the user modules (just checked on tw.o)
coaboa: <u>chibagy</u>: is there an "easy" was to use YAML-framework with tikiwiki?
chibaguy: I don't know about YAML, except to edit by hand. I'm not really the guy to ask about it.
coaboa: oki
<br> just curious
chibaguy: Oh, wait, do you mean the markup language, or the column framework?
luciash: <u>yohomer</u>: or maybe the group containing tiki_p_configure_modules isn't inherited
coaboa: no I mean builder.yaml.de ;-)
yohomer: <u>luciash</u>: I'm trying to discover the status of tiki_p_configure_modules now
luciash: no, it says it is inherited... must be bug
<br> i get the permission denied even as being in Admins group on tw.o ;)
<br> on tiki-user_assigned_modules.php
yohomer: unless you enable feature_modulecontrols
chibaguy: coaboa, this is the first time I've seen this. looks interesting, but I have no idea bout using with tikiwiki. luciash, what do you think of builder.yaml.de?
luciash: <u>yohomer</u>: aah, it depends on it ?
<br> that shouldn't imho
yohomer: in part, yes.
<br> not in theory :)
luciash: :)
<br> theory is always better than reality
yohomer: tiki_p_configure_modules is not defined :(
chibaguy: (It's a confusing acronym because it also means YAML: YAML Ain't Markup Language, which is used for tiki's profiles (http://www.yaml.org/)
coaboa: for info on yaml framework see just yaml.de
<br> ;-) acronymes may be confusing
<br> this could (in my oppinion) used to have a startingpoint or a theme designer.
<br> *for
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luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: it's not good beause #col1 should be main (center content) column
coaboa: as far as i know you can switch all that order. I've read the doc and ordering is flexible. Is there a list of (tiki) predefined/available div classes and div id's
luciash: ah, i see
<br> does it require JS to work properly ?
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luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: the license is not compatible with tiki
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coaboa: because of what? do not understand that.
<br> you can use yaml for free if a link is maintained in the footer. same is required byy many themes delivered with tiki.
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luciash: because when we include something in tiki it must be compatible license with LGPL
_nemesis_: hey guys
luciash: which allows commercial use/modifications
<br> hi _nemesis_
_nemesis_: I have a question, is it possible to use capital letters as modul-title ?
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luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: it is not required by the themes
<br> <u>_nemesis_</u>: yes
_nemesis_: luciash, how ?
<br> i tried, but it didn*t work
luciash: just write them ?
<br> hm, maybe i misunderstood the problem :)
_nemesis_: than doesn't work
<br> ok
luciash: tell us more
_nemesis_: the title of a module should be "Men�" but tikiwiki setts the tittle ti "men�"
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: otherwise it looks good (haven't tested in IE6 though what happens when you resize window to very small screen size)
<br> title or name ?
<br> <u>_nemesis_</u>: ^
_nemesis_: luciash, this one, wich will be displayed in the wiki on top of a module
luciash: title is what you see, name is what the module is named internally and you don't usually display that
_nemesis_: ok, title
luciash: maybe it is by theme ?
<br> what theme u have ?
_nemesis_: tikipedia theme
luciash: ah
coaboa: My understanding is that yaml requires a backlink if you wan't to use/modify it for free if you don't like that you can urchase a (in my oppinion cheap) license.
luciash: are all module titles lowercase ?
_nemesis_: luciash, yes
coaboa: _nemesis_ tikipedia forces seme text to lowercase
_nemesis_: is it possible to change this setting ?
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: yes, but it's not compatible to be included in tiki
_nemesis_: y not ?
luciash: <u>_nemesis_</u>: yes
_nemesis_: hm ?
luciash: it is just matter of CSS
_nemesis_: ok, that means, it is possible to unset this setting ?
coaboa: why do think it have to be included with tiki. could be used seperately and ease the design pain a lot. just an idea.
luciash: look for something like .box-title {text-transform: lowercase}
<br> and change that
<br> in your tikipedia.css
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_nemesis_: ok, thanks
yohomer: <u>luciash</u>: thanks for your collaboration ... I have to go now, but think I have enough to track it further.
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: because if we would going to use it (make it work) we would need to change to this framework and remove *lite framework which we use
<br> well, "framework"
<br> <u>yohomer</u>: u welcome
_nemesis_: luciash, ok, i got #page-bar span.button a:visited {
<br> text-transform: lowercase;
<br> }
<br> and
<br> #col2 h3.box-title {
<br> text-transform: lowercase;
<br> }
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: we can provide help though how to replace it and integrate in user's Tikis (shouldn't be thhat hard)
<br> <u>_nemesis_</u>: yes, the last one it is
_nemesis_: luciash, ok, only comment the whole out ?
luciash: yes, that should do the trick :)
_nemesis_: #col2 h3.box-title {
<br> text-transform: lowercase;
<br> }
<br> */
<br> ok
chibaguy: <u>_nemesis_</u>: the module titles were given that property to emulate the mediawiki theme.
_nemesis_: luciash, do i need to restart something ?
<br> changi, sry, I don't understand
coaboa: ok. because it works with *all* browsers equaly well it would be a great help for theme designers (just my oppinion)
_nemesis_: what would be a great help ?
chibaguy: <u>_nemesis_</u>: I mean the reason why the Tikipedia theme's module titles are all lowercase is because that's how the Mediawiki theme does it, which Tikipedia mimics.
_nemesis_: chibaguy, ok, now i got it ;)
chibaguy: But as described, you can remove that rule if you like.
_nemesis_: hm, i commented it out with # but taht wont work
luciash: <u>_nemesis_</u>: no
_nemesis_: luciash, no ?
luciash: you have to comment it out with /* ... */
<br> <u>coaboa</u>: *lite does the same
_nemesis_: ok, like: /*
<br> #col2 h3.box-title {
<br> text-transform: lowercase;
<br> }
<br> */
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: it's just not that known and well documented...
<br> <u>_nemesis_</u>: yes
_nemesis_: do i have to restart something ?
luciash: nope, just clear cache maybe
_nemesis_: hm, it hadn't worked, the titles are still lower-cases
luciash: tiki-admin_system.php?do=all
_nemesis_: ok, now it changed !
<br> well :)
luciash: is it in tikipedia.css ? any ideas what else it miught be, chibaguy ?
_nemesis_: thanks a lot
luciash: ok, phew :)
_nemesis_: hehe ;)
<br> thanks !
chibaguy: :-)
_nemesis_: ok, guys, thanks a lot and cu when i will get the next problem
<br> bye
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coaboa: <u>luciash</u>: you offered some help with replacing *lite with YAML.de framework. what could be the starting point?
luciash: starting point would be removing @import(lite/lite.css) in theme css file
<br> then following documentation on how to implement it at YAML site
<br> they use @import too i guess
<br> then modifying either tiki.tpl or the yaml css to match the divs ids and classes names
coaboa: yes they @import other css (eg. print) too...
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coaboa: are all css div class/id values set withinj tiki.tpl?
luciash: the layout ones yes
coaboa: great. will start with that with version 5. For now implement the themeswitch. thanks a lot.
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hrsms: Still haven't solved a file galery problem I wrote about earlier - Background: I had two galleries A and B that I later deleted. Then I created gallery C. Now, when uploading a new file, the only objects in the "File Gallery" pulldown are A and B (which have been deleted) but NOT gallery C!! [more...]
<br> I've examined the tiki_file_galleries table and only the system gallery and gallery C are listed.
ricks99: did u clear tiki cache?
hrsms: Yes. Cleared the cache.
ricks99: did u clear browser cache?
hrsms: No, but seeing the same thing after reboot and on separate machine. I'll try it anyway. One moment...
ricks99: 100% sure ur tiki is using the correct db? if the table does not have A or B, i don't see how/why Tiki would show them as options
hrsms: Yep. 100% sure. To be 110% sure (yes, I know...) I just created a new wiki page and found it in the tiki_pages table.
<br> When I click "List Galleries" I see gallery C in the table. To the left of the table is a collapsable tree. That shows only A and B. Where does this tree get its data?
ricks99: and the file gallery table does not hav A or B, but u still see them in the drop list?
hrsms: That's right.
ricks99: ahh. maybe the tree data is not refreshed. that im not sure about. but on admin: file gallery, when u select your "home" gallery u only see "C"?
chibaguy: Wasn't there some discussion about this kind of file gallery problem related to the mysql version? I don't recall if it was in irc or on the dev mailing list.
-: ricks99 still doesnt see why/how tiki would display a gallery name that does not exist in the db
<br> ricks99 thinks the tree is cached somewhere else and not built in real-time
hrsms: I asked this same question on Sat, and marclaporte asked what MySQL version also. I answered 5.0.87-community, but there was not further reply
chealer: <u>chibaguy</u>: there was a similar fgal problem discussed on tikiwiki-devel recently in "Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] [Tikiwiki-cvs/svn] SF.net SVN: tikiwiki:[20826] trunk" related to MySQL 4.1, but it's just an upgrade issue.
chibaguy: ah, ok.
hrsms: It's tiki 4.1, by the way...
coaboa: <u>luciash</u>: btw there are versions of yaml for drupal & joomla incl. an explanation on license issues. just for your info
ricks99: don't think i can help. sorry
chibaguy: I wonder if file gallery ids, etc. are stored somewhere else in the database in addition to tiki_file_galleries table, and it didn't get deleted or overwritten correctly.
hrsms: I've been searching other tables, but not always certain of what I'm seeing.
coaboa: <u>luciash</u>: if curious see: yaml.de/en/community/cms-templates
chibaguy: coaboa, what do you think is the advantage of using yaml?
hrsms: tiki_objects holds IDs for file galleries, but the only one listed is my gallery C
coaboa: <u>chibaguy</u>: it works on all browsers, is very lightweighted, supports barrier free and rtl realy flexible. so mainly the modular approach which makes creation/modification of ccs multicolumn screen layouts easier. strugeling always with compatibility issues and using yaml could help there a lot.
<br> Or a similar framework if there is something comparable. But I'm not aware of somthingcomparable.
chibaguy: I'm curious to see the results with yaml and tikiwiki.
<br> I'm not sure how yaml will mesh with the divs, etc. produced by tiki's templates, but it would be interesting to try.
hrsms: tiki_stats refers to object "0?" which is of type "file gallery" four different times. I presume these are four different days, and object "0?" is the system gallery. So, no insight gained here.
chibaguy: If yaml can work with other cms's, which produce their own css classes from templates, it should be able to work with tikiwiki too.
coaboa: <u>Chibaguy</u>: If there are yaml-integration projects out for all major cms/groupware solutions it must have some advantages @least ;-)
chibaguy: yes, it seems so.
coaboa: im not propagating it just searching for a flexible solution which solves the IE pain in the a....;-)
hrsms: I guess I'm giving up. If anyone has a flash of insight in the near future - please post here: http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=36199&topics_offset=1&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc&forumId=4
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chibaguy: Sure, coaboa. On the other hand, I'm not sure if it's necessary to move to a whole framework to deal with some IE problems. Of course if it has other advantages too, then it might be worthwhile.
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: i just wonder why you think Tiki doesn't have it already
chibaguy: For Tiki's stylesheets, it might be possible to just look at other solutions for IE and adapt them, if better than the way Tiki handles IE now.
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: *lite does basically the same (flexible solution which solves the IE pain, etc.)
chibaguy: If it's the higher-level problems like the login form not displaying in MilkyWay, there is probably a simpler solution than starting from zero.
luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: the higher-level problems are not matter of the layout framework
chibaguy: that's right, luciash. that was my intended meaning.
luciash: :)
chibaguy: except i just read yaml has some rules to solve ie problems.
<br> I don't know on what level these are.
luciash: also i wonder how yaml woul come with non-breakable content in center column or small screen in IE6
<br> s/woul come/would cope/
<br> or switching columns on/off on the fly as we already have
<br> or fixed-width themes
chibaguy: yep
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coaboa: could not find *lite is there a siteurl which i could look @
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SEWilco2: Oh, goodie. I'm using the "Fluid Index" theme (the only one with distinctive blockquote style), so Amazon ads on some pages are about fluid-related books. :-)
<br> (At least that's better than several weeks ago... after my article about red/green discussion feedback cards, I was getting immigration/"green card" ads)
ricks99: @SEWilco2: not sure about amazon ads, but for my Google ads, I can specify *only* to use the content area for content-specific ads
SEWilco2: <u>ricks99</u>: Good idea. I'll check Amazon tips.
ricks99: just a minor update to tiki.tpl.
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luciash: *g*
ricks99: *torches
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: http://www.ohloh.net/p/litecss
<br> <u>coaboa</u>: shameless self-promotion :-p
coaboa: <u>luciash</u>: oh you did that?
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: just a side note, the "Mostly written in JavaScript" is not true (Ohloh guessing wrong from the demo site)
<br> <u>coaboa</u>: it's all pure CSS
<br> yep
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SEWilco2: My current experiment http://www.reallysimplechat.org/ has Amazon and AdSense thinking that it's an academic or library site because I wrote about those institutions.
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coaboa: <u>luciash</u>: personaly I stumbled about yaml.de/fileadmin/examples/ and browsed through it and get impressed. So maybe *lite covers that too and I'am just sort of birdbrained ;-)
luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: shame on me that i didn't update or spread out the word about *lite css more ;)
<br> <u>coaboa</u>: yaml is better maintained and seems more flexible in terms of deciding which column should be first in code but i really saw it for the first time today so i cannot say more if there are some problems with specific setups etc.
<br> maybe later i will look at it
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luciash: i am on something else now
coaboa: <u>luciash</u>: thanks for your time. just want to help with suggestion not moaning. I fell in love with tiki anyway. ;-) Would appreciate your feedback on yaml.
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luciash: <u>coaboa</u>: sure, no problem... thanks for the tip anyway
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Bilal: hi everyone, i need some info about live help module in tikiwiki
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hrsms: <u>ricks99</u>: Thanks for your earlier help. Back to clearing the cache. I wasn't paying attention to the results. Looking closer, it looks like my action had no effect on the cache. Folder/file permission problem? What level of permission is needed? On a shared server, if that matters. Currently temp=0777, tempcache=0775, within tempcache I found a file fgals_[long hex number] with 0644. This file seems to have all the old ga
ricks99: tiki usually need 775 on all directories in order to read/write. can u cahnge fgals_* to 0775
<br> sounds like it may be the issue
hrsms: fgals is a file. Also needs 0775?
<br> You think for shared server tempcache needs to be 0777? I wonder why temp is 0777 and tempcache is 0775.
ricks99: 777 is good too
hrsms: I tried setting tempcache to 0777 and running "Clear all Tiki caches" again. That resolved everything. Security issues are not clear to me. Is this safe?
ricks99: well, 777 means that it is fully writeable (to anyone)
hrsms: which does not sound good...
ricks99: 775 is "safer" in that it is writeable only to the app (i think... anyone else chime in who knows *nix perms better)
<br> r u on a shared host?
hrsms: yes
ricks99: they may have additional security in place, too
<br> fwiw, ive run many sites with 777 and/or 775 and not had issues
<br> there is some folder security setting info in the installation and setup docs
hrsms: Can you provide a link, or shall I be less lazy and go search?
ricks99: doc.tikiwiki.org one of the menu options is 'installation'
<br> or "setup' or something similar
<br> one sec...
<br> doc.tikiwiki.org/installation
<br> duh ;-)
hrsms: At any rate, I seem to have no choice. The cache does not seem to work without 0777. I wonder how the cached info got there in the first place? There were some problems on the server end, and I suspect that the host admin ran something that reset a bunch of file perms. I'm transistioning a site I created with notepad/MySQL and later an embedded G2 gallery. About the same time the G2 gallery stopped working, and I'm sure that
<br> So, I think it was 0777 when I installed and the host admin, directly or indirectly, changed the permission level.
ricks99: 777 will definately work
hrsms: In case I wasn't clear - the old site I created by hand (with exception of the embedded G2) is being abandoned in favor of using tiki.... though not without a lot of growing pains
ricks99: <u>see</u>: doc.tikiwiki.org/install+by+ftp step 4 discussions folder persm
hrsms: That site suggest 0775. Some searching reveals that many hosts don't allow 777. To be safe, I've set the perms backt o 0775. I'll contact my host and see what's going on. I take it (not knowledgeable about this) it has something to do with Apache running as "nobody". Thanks for your time...
luciash: 777 is necessary if you cannot set group to be the same as webserver
<br> mostly apache or www-data
<br> if your user shares the same group as the webserver then it's better to set 775
hrsms: Sorry. Don't really understand that (exact defintion of and relationship betwen user, group, webserver). Maybe I'm in over my head. I don't blame you if you don't want to explain. I'll go Googling.
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ricks99: 775 should b fine
hrsms: It doesn't appear so. It appears that "the system" is running as "nobody" and therefore it cannot write to this folder. Maybe it will run OK but just without cached data (slower)?
<br> Don't know if there are more critical folders it needs to write to.
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ricks99: did u try as 777
hrsms: Yeah, yeah. That's what fixed it. Cache was cleared after I set to 777. And I only saw the galleries I expected to see. I think my site was moved to another server and the perms got reset. They must have been 777 to begin with. Can't remember. The install may have prompted me to set that on certain folders.
<br> Thanks again for your time. At least I finally found the problem. Now it's between me and my host. Speaking of which - they usually aren't very helpful, and I'm thinking of switching. Can anyone recommend a shared host with helpful support staff?
luciash: well 777 means "everybody who successfully logs in into the same machine" so it's not like anybody on internet can do that
<br> so it is relatively "secure" to live with that
<br> afaik
<br> sorry, i don't know any cause mostly i fugure things myself :-p
RavenC: where would user created modules be stored ?
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chealer: <u>RavenC</u>: in tiki_user_modules, surprisingly :-)
RavenC: chealer. file or reference ?
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chealer: <u>RavenC</u>: it's in the database
RavenC: ah... doh
<br> thanks
<br> added one and crashed.... lol
<br> playing with this groupmail (still)
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RavenC: module assignments store in DB ?
<br> found it... sry .... tili_modules
<br> whew! functioning again
<br> :)
CIA-64: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24783 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [NEW]blog: 2 params to top_visited_blogs: showlastpost + sort_mode (todo merge the other blog module)
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CIA-64: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24784 10/trunk/db/tiki.sql: missing table
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SEWilco2: Argh. Too often antibot isn't accepted. "You have mistyped the anti-bot verification code; please try again."
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CIA-64: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24785 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-pagehistory.tpl tiki-pagehistory.php): [ENH] More pagination controls for page history versions (now on preview and source views, as well as diffs)
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RavenC: ok folks, have a great night!
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yohomer: I'd appreciate if anybody with 4.1 could test/confirm this with me ... load http://culturesofharmony.net/tiki-objectpermissions.php .... select only the "User" feature .... noting that "Show permissions for disabled features" is UNchecked .... tiki_p_configure_module does NOT appear UNLESS "Show permissions for disabled features" IS checked.
<br> I think this points to something wrong; I don't know for sure about that; but I do know that tiki-user_assigned_modules.php dies with "You do not have permission to use this feature" apparently due to IT being unable to verify tiki_p_configure_modules which is in fact set for Registered+ groups.
<br> This testimony is offered as a suggested bug report. Maybe I'll register and figure out how to check for its preexistence in the tracker, or how to add it if not.
<br> Thank you.
chealer: <u>yohomer</u>: it does appear if the options are check in the module administration page...but this stuff is broken
<br> s/check/checked/
yohomer: thank you for the note .... my testimony above had "Users can configure modules" checked (sets user_assigned_modules) .... but not "Show module controls" (feature_modulecontrols)
<br> also, with this configuration, "Modules" does appear in the MyTiki menu, but not in tiki-my_tiki.php
<br> selecting the menu option (loading tiki-user_assigned_modules.php) dies with the error above.
<br> Setting feature_modulecontrols ("Show module controls") causes this feature to work properly .... for Adminstrator only.
<br> <u>chealer</u>: I agree that in 4.1 "this stuff is broken"
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CIA-64: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24787 10/trunk/tiki-view_sheets.php: [FIX] Workaround for jQ.sheet's reluctance to add cells to an empty (new) spreadsheet.
<br> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24788 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_split.php: [FIX]split: to have the headers working in {SPLIT(first=col)}!header{SPLIT}
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yohomer: correction : not "Administrator only"
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