didn't know if it posted as i lost connection:  is it possible to restrict access to certain forums (say by groups or whatever) in the same kind of manner as a page-by-page restriction?  didn't see anything in the documentation on forums
ibrrorg: try to assign them in a category with perms to restrict view to certain groups
 New Forum Posts: Custom syntax styles--how? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36247
Hey everyone, just wondering if it would be possible to email someone a message after they've filled out a tracker which would contain an email field. I know this should be done using the Registration system but the client doesn't want that. So before I go into something custom just wondering if anyone has done this before? Thank you
test
failed ^^
yeah so i don't know if stuff posted or not.  bad storms here.  so, luciash u were spot on!  the forums don't even appear for non-cleared folks!  keep finding these gems that seem to be custom coded for us hobos!
@Caarrie  :)
;)
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r24862 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [ENH] tracker wikiplugin: no need to have submit buttons in another table row and cell and allow easy centering or aligning right for the buttons using the .input_submit_container
ibrrorg: u know u can read the irc log at http://irc.tikiwiki.org ?
@luciash is that IN RE: my trackerfilter?  yeah, going there in a min
ibrrorg: nope, that commit wasn't related to the trackerfilter
pascalstjean: hi, yes !
ah, yeah one day i hope to learn programming to help out instead of just asking a bunch of ?'s  :)
oh great. Is there an example?
email="from|to|..."
param
ibrrorg: no problem, but you are welcome to learn :)
what 'language' per se should i begin to learn?
pascalstjean: see PluginTracker on doc.tw.o
ibrrorg: depends what you want to focus on
i would like to learn a base type of coding then probably expand into the modules (Maps and trackers especially)  i learned BASIC, DOS, some dBase in HS (required here in the US) but all this is ancient
ibrrorg: to develop for tiki easiest is to help with (x)html fixes, then css, then javascript and most programming is php + php smarty combines all of them in the templates
i was doing pretty good in MW and then switched to Twiki as its a FAR superior CMS
Twiki is some concurrent wiki ;) if you say just Tiki it is ok :)
pascalstjean: the last param you can choose a tpl to fill the email with
alright, so php and javascript are languages i recognize these would be considered the basic languages?
iirc
ibrrorg: we don't have anything more in Tiki except SQL for db stuff
ibrrorg: i think learning php is pretty easy, maybe easier than javascript i would say
thanx!  starting point
php is server side language while javascrit is client (browser) side
luciash. Thank you so much. 
ill start w/javascript then
pascalstjean: welcome, it is very handy for "thank you" mails ;)
you'll be the first to recieve one when I test it out in a few minutes :)
heheh
i mean i already made some "survey" forms with that and used it for send "thank you" mail to people who filled it in
polom all
bolow e||
err :)
bo|ow e||
should be :)
there u go :)
wb ricks99 
is anyone actively working on enhancements for tiki's print structure feature?
luciash: FYI just tried the feature and it worked. Thanks again. 
fine :)
ricks99: i don't think so
:-(
any idea why is the "Search a Wiki Page" search box on http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php prefilled with "cMOcGiUdNq" ?
bNPN!9oOWc
ah, you got another hash :)
:-P
i am not logged in there btw
must be some random hash leaking from somewhere in there ?
tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r24863 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-view_banner.tpl tiki-view_banner.php): [FIX]Click ratio should be presented as a percentage -- not a decimal value.
tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r24864 10/branches/proposals/4.x/ (templates/tiki-view_banner.tpl tiki-view_banner.php): [FIX]Click ratio should be presented as a percentage -- not a decimal value. Backport of 24863 from /trunk/
 New Forum Posts: [PDF] where is the pdf plugin? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36248
 New Forum Posts: [ACL] Assign permissions to wiki page - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36249
 New Forum Posts: Variables in Pretty Tracker  - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=36251
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24865 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-upload_file_progress.tpl tiki-upload_file.php): [FIX] tiki-upload_file : show the result of the upload
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24866 10/branches/experimental/tiki-log-merge/ (21 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 24846 to 24865
polom polom
When I try to make a new menu module, when I select a menu and click the "+" to set that menu, nothing happens, I have to write the {menu id=XX} myself... Is that a known problem? (Tiki 4.1)
I don't see a tagcloud module... Is there one?
Mazzachre: hi
i don't know about the first problem you describe
Mazzachre: yes, there is the module
"Freetags Wiki" or "Freetags simmilar content"
(freetags_current and freetags_morelikethis)
has someone an example on of css horiz menu filling all the width of the body?
sylvieg: u mean the menu bar full width or expanding the menu items to spread all over the menu full width ?
I put in the custom site footer : <div id="bottom-menu">{menu id=43 type=horiz css=1}</div>
and I would like to have each option spreading nicely on all the width (not on the left)
If I want to make a menu item that opens Preferences -> Account Information (change password) How to do that?
then you have to give every item equal percentage width
100%/<num_of_menu_items>
the top ones
yes but I do know how many options I will have in the menu...
Mazzachre: add link to it with &cookietab=2
so tiki-user_preferences.php&cookietab=2 ?
sylvieg: there's no other way unless you know number of top menu items (.horbarmenuitem i think)
Mazzachre: if it's only first param in the URL, then ?cookietab=2
Ya... ofcause... Well that just a little unprofessional... Anyways thx
np, what would be professional by your opinion ?
Well, some name/id... If the preferences are changes somehow and this is no longer tab 2, then I would have to change the menu entry...
Hmmm.. Could I use trackers as todo list? Or is there a todolist feature of some kind?
ah, i see
yep, trackers are nice for that
Also... Is anyone wok
there is user tasks feature, but not very much maintained recently
working on an SVN module?
or simple todo list can be a simple wiki page ;)
SVN module for listing what ?
heheh
Integration with my SVN repositories so I can see sources, changes and add trackers, wikis and polls to sources/folders...
on dev.tw.o i think we use custom module with included rss feed of CIA svn stats
That would be awesome..
otherwise i don't think anyone is working on some special SVN module
(coe use the plugin snarf to pick up info from svn repositories
COE website ?
the Strasbourg guys
sylvieg: yup, but is it public ?
I do not know more - the only this I know is that they use snarf to do documentation 
ok
So... I can insert a tracker in wiki page?
hello
hi coaboa, yes, Mazzachre, using the tracker wikiplugin
luciash, Hmmm... How? :D
you see the little (?) icon while editing wiki page ?
click it and then you can insert wikiplugins syntax
Mazzachre: see for more:
>doctwo PluginTracker
http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginTracker
In general it is a good idea to look at the list of available wikiplugins. There are dozens of them.  doc.tikiwiki.otg/Wiki+Plugins
mostly you get a pretty good idea of what they do from the "Plugin-Name"
polom
hi
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24867 10/trunk/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer : don't use {jq} in the installer for now
Heh... it is working :)
Is module-shading (open|close each module) in trunk broken for anyone else?
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24868 10/trunk/templates/tiki-change_password.tpl: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] fic change-passwd {jq} function should not be declared in the onready
tikiwiki: part... So add notonready=true in {jq}
hmm, probably my problem. In my svn trunk it works ok, but in an exported set of files it doesn't. maybe file problem here.
Hmmm... How to make the tracker input field reapear when adding something in a wiki? As it is now, it is changed for the text in the tag...
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24869 10/trunk/ (11 files in 9 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [MERGE] merging of experimental/tiki-log-merge to trunk
tikiwiki: The aim of this is to unify tikilogs adn tikiactionlog, so now all logs are recorded via tikiactions logs...
hi chibaguy 
chibaguy: worksforme
Mazzachre: url param
hi luciash, I have different results on a couple of installations here, so need to check what is different.
chibaguy: i guess we need tikidiff script ;)
it's weird though, that in trunk on my wamp server, the bundled themes are ok, but extra themes aren't getting the imported stylesheets.
Weeee! It workses :D
:-)
Screencasts was removed in trunk, wasn't it? So I wonder how I can get rid of 'Notice: Undefined index: feature_wiki_screencasts in ...lib\setup\perms.php on line 23'
forgotten
Anyone else having white page on trunk installer?
Fatal error: Smarty error: [in tiki-install.tpl line 281]: syntax error: unrecognized tag: document.getElementById('install-link')....
Seems to be be related to {jq} tag
heh, my local trunk installations have a lot of problems right now. :-/
Uhm wait a moment... there is something wrong with the calendar!! Today is friday the 5.th only the calendar says 5th. is a Saturday...
An there should be a Monday the 7th... Which is on Sunday...
This is bad...
welcome to tiki time ;-)
That ius the calendar module...
How do I set the week to start on Monday not on sunday... Only strange Americans and their derivatives start weeks on Sunday...
Mazzachre: iirc on Admin home → General → Date and time
The combination however that the Calendar module starts on Monday, but don't change the date table so it shows wrong is even worse..
btw, i found that the reasons the extras themes weren't importing the layout files was due to a change in import statement.
No... no option to change when the week starts...
now is @import url("lite/lite.css"); before, it was @import "lite/lite.css"; which worked before but doesn't now.
Mazzachre: or was it Admin home → Calendar ?
chibaguy: but it is not correct
@import "lite/lite.css";
the url one is right imho
ok... that helped..
Default = American + Browser detect failed horribly...
Mazzachre: that sounds really as an horror, good that you're out of it :)
:D
I am getting the hang of this... Hopefully this will be useable to my new development department...'
I have never started something like this from scratch before... Always just been a hired programmer... Never started a new company from scratch..
luciash, i guess for now I have to change the import urls, to work, tho.
Mazzachre, what does your business do?
GSM messaging, billing and mobile credit transactions...
chibaguy: yep, it must be the minify fault
either fix the minify or the @import
even with minify off, the original imports don't work now.
Creating a personal calendar, can anyone else see it by default?
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24870 10/trunk/lib/cache/pagecache.php: [FIX] $key not defined - hopefully $k is the right one?
ah, hmm, now the other stylesheets are getting the imported files. hmm
polom
hey jonnyb
hi chibaguy 
Shame i'm not going to finally meet you in Montreal this time - typical!
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24871 10/trunk/lib/core/lib/: [MOD] Update Zend framework to latest stable (1.10)
yeah, I'm sorry about that too.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24872 10/trunk/freetag_list.php: [FIX] Notice
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24873 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.html_select_time.php: [FIX] Split is deprecated
chibaguy: heh, you're going to montreal "base" again ?
Yes, a lucky guy again. :-)
chibaguy: won in lottery ? :-p
u must travel to visit eu one day too ;)
hi all
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r24874 10/trunk/styles/ (layout/layout-reference.css layout/layout.css strasa.css): [MOD] CSS: move the input_submit_container in the general layout.css + added to reference file
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24875 10/trunk/lib/tiki-js.js: [MOD] Move jQuery input setup to after element is attached to parent
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24876 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [FIX] Fix date format for plugins (datepicker) as parsing formats set in prefs is too brittle (depends on locale, browser etc).
tikiwiki: Remove unused parseDateString() and JS/PHP date format info.
does somebody know where the color for the jquery help popup is?
hi sylvieg - do you mean the tooltips?
yes:-)
or the edit wiki syntax etc?
(oh)
the dark blue and light blue
when in tiki-admin.php you over the menu icon
or the help icon
various places (now) - search for cluetip in *.css
ok thx
try design.css and strasa/mono
firebug will tell you exactly
they can be a bit tricky to right-click on ;)
not easy to catch with firebug... it is dynamic
there's a commented line in tiki-jquery.js which makes them sticky
thx - got it
heya jonny ! how's england ? :)
ah, it hides on right click ?
oh the usual (for February) - grey, but stopped snowing/freezing (for now)
how are you, luciash?
i am used to chrome inspect anyway lately and it shows pretty much everything i need
snow in london ? no way :)
last month - lots!
... ah - there is a chrome inspect ... need to install it
everything stopped!
and Bosotn has almost no snow this year
cool :) here plenty of it too, we're looking for space where to put it ;)
sylvieg: no need to install, it's already included in chrome/chromium
ah, and yeah, i am fine, tnx jonny :)
ah cool
it shows some cluetips stuff at the end of the inspected code
jonnyb: btw, much cooler would be some delay for the cluetips and then fade them out... that way it could even ontain some links or cluetip description text could be selected and copied quickly
*contain, even
there's probably an option for that
i think so :)
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24877 10/trunk/lib/prefslib.php: 
tikiwiki: [EHN] allow a 'keywords' field in the definition of prefs to be able to find
tikiwiki: prefs more easily...
thank you sept_7 !!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24878 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Various notice and warning fixes for the installer
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24879 10/trunk/tiki-calendar.php: [EHN] use $access->check_feature instead of open coding it..
tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r24880 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [ENH] Small layout enhancement for Prefernces search
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24881 10/trunk/templates/prefs/ (flag.tpl list.tpl): [MOD] Don't bind event to show/hide the _childcontainer div if it doesn't exist.
tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r24882 10/trunk/lib/core/lib/Multilingual/Aligner/BilingualAligner.php: [MOD][i18n] Added an outline of the automatic bilingual sentence alignment algorithm in BilingualAligner. Doesn't do anything really. Just to provide guidance to Akshi Gupta, a student who is working on finishing this.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24883 10/trunk/tiki-admin_include_look.php: [FIX] jQ for theme & option menus now uses name attribute to find them (id's changed after lesser magic).
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24884 10/trunk/temp/public/: [SVN] Add *.js to ignores
 New Forum Posts: Tikipedia, Tikiwiki 4.1... how to show breadcrumbs - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=14&comments_parentId=36257
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24885 10/trunk/templates/error.tpl: [FIX]error: say at least page not found - when redirect on search. Put the error in remarksbox
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24886 10/trunk/lib/ (tikilib.php wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_bloglist.php): [ENH] Add date range params to bloglist plugin
hello all.
hi Kimberlee 
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24888 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Add $container_class to output of articles and bloglist plugins (.wikiplugin_articles or .wikiplugin_bloglist respectively) for custom CSS targeting.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24889 10/trunk/templates/tiki-article_types.tpl: [FIX] Admin article types help button fix
hiya jonnyb!
still in Ca?
no, back in gloomy London now
(although it did rain a surprising amount there too!)
I hope it was warmer than NY  :)
oh yes (but it didn't stop the locals complaining! :) )
typical.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24890 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Optionally show article id in list
good afternoon everyone!
i have a couple of (simple) questions regarding twiki. is this the right place to ask?
"Just ask, don't ask to ask ;)" haha
1. I have an Admin user. Where can I get the twiki version number?
changelog.txt
i think twiki is a different thing - we do tikiwiki here
@OFF: this is the channel for tikiwiki -- not twiki. 2 different applications
can I access changelog.txt from web interface? I don't have access to server folders
sorry, didnt know about "twiki". I use TikiWiki =)
tiki versio number shown on admin: general page
thanks ricks99. Can't believe I didn't see it there... :S
I'm using version 2.2. Is it still mantained? Is v4 stable?
yes.see http://info.tikiwiki.org/Download
OFF: 2 is hardly maintained, no
thanks both
next question: I was having a hard time trying to understand how permissions are managed in tikiwiki. Then I found about permissions per Category...
jonnyb: I was thinking of doing r24870, I thought something else would be broken if I did it :-)
But the only permissions I can apply using categories are Edit and View, but they seem permission applicable to the categories themselves not the content. Am I missing something?
perms have been vastly re-worked in 4.x
chealer: yes it was a guess (but nothing's blown up and no one's rolled it back, so it must be fine!) :)
but I only see two permission for categories:  tiki_p_view_categories and tiki_p_admin_categories
Can I do something like giving tiki_p_wiki_attach_files permission to group Registered for content in a  given category?
y. so if u want user from group FOO to edit a wiki page in category BAR... FOO needs tiki_p_edit and BAR needs edit_category
u have to set the individual pers on the objects in the category
perm=pers
the category perms are on the category itself, not the objects in the category.
and the only category perms are tiki_p_view_categories and tiki_p_admin_categories? Or am I missing something?
yes, but what objects are in the category?
should have a tiki_p_edit_categoried
ricks99: thanks, your right.
Wiki pages are in the category I'm working with
I don't have the tiki_p_edit_categoried
just admin and view
for instance, the wiki pages in the category.  The permissions you set on wiki pages for that group will be applied.  (*IF* you have permissions on that category too)
maybe a limitation in version 2.2?
@OFF: u assign perms from the top-down (group -> category -> object), then assign the overrides from the bottom up
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24891 10/trunk/templates/error.tpl: [FIX]fix 24885 - thx pkdille
<shameless plug> See http://twbasics.keycontent.org/How+Permissions+Work for a primer (available for 2.x, too) </shameless plug>
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24892 10/trunk/tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php: [FIX] Plugin edit message
I think I have the permission concepr clearer now. But still having difficulty in assigning Category Permissions
Categories will inherite Groups permissions?
How do you relate Groups with Categories?
if a user in group FOO goes to an object in category BAR....
if the BAR category has no custom pers, the group FOO perms will be used
and if the content has Object Permissions, none of the above will be used, right?
correct the object-specific perm will override.
will this work only if the are specified the same permission or the mere fact of having any Objet perm will disable all Category perms?
not disable -- override. theres a slight difference. but for example, if a wiki page has tiki_p_view for Admin group (object-specifi), then Anonymous group (even if the Anon group has tiki_p_view) cannot see the page
So, specifing *any* object perm "override" *all* category (or group) perm?
y
if I give Object perm tiki_p_view to group Anon and Group perm tiki_p_edit to Registered, will a Registered user been able to edit that object?
what do you mean by "y"?
y. (trying to remember if edit includes view in 2.x) may also need to gexplicity give view to Registered group too
y = yes (sorry).
si
hehe, OK. So forget my last question. I got the idea.
So, I need to delete Object perms in order to Category perms to apply... But I'm still at a lost at how to apply cat. perms...
how smoth is update process in tikiwiki?
may I have any problem updating to v4 from 2.2?
upgrade should be relatively painless. be sure to read the release notes for 3.x and 4.x so that you are aware of all the changes
ok. thanks for all the valuable info so far :)
good luck
:)
ah, other question :)
if user 3 belongs to groups Editors (with only edit perms) and Viewers (with only view perm), will the user be able to edit? or both groups need to have edit perm?
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24893 10/trunk/lib/commentslib.php: [FIX] After a second look, the root of all evil was the great idea to retrieve all posts in a forum to obtain the last one. Please stop.
the user will be able to edit.
hum, I got "An error occured while performing the request." in trunk when logging in
upon clearing the cache I now have 4 category perms available
jonnyb: do you see the user modules data textarea in trunk?
@OFF: yes, i reall that as a known issue in 2.x
hum, one more such error
chealer: coo - no, it's gone :(
it's the resize thing broken
jonnyb: I seem to remember seeing some days ago, maybe a week
s/seeing/seeing this issue/
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r24894 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [NEW]wiki: new perm tiki_p_wiki_view_ref to be able to see a page in modules and rss (without the data) convenient for a site with only one page visible. (more modules to come)
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r24895 10/trunk/lib/ (prefs/global.php prefslib.php): [FIX] Notices
 Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3027 - - Semantic link "alias" broken on 4.1 for me (regression) - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3027
Greetings peoples! Wondering if there'll be a 4.2 before 5.0
hi freeman57 - i should think so (i have dozens of commits to check! ;) )
no idea when though
I bet. I'm stalling here... oh, don't worry about that, it's in the next rev, real soon ;-)
Well, off to build some trackers. Toodle-oo, and thanks for all the cool stuff!
Hello
I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to enable Featured Links
I can't seem to find it any where in the admin pannels
under features
I must be blind
but I just can't find it
caustin  : tiki-admin_links.php
Hi Kimberlee!  :)
Caustin:  sorry, i didn't read the "enable" part.....  It is under General/navigation
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24896 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.pagination_links.php: [MOD] Add show_numbers param to pagination controls (default "y")
hey guys
a question
is it possible to use a sql-database for the news ?
i wan't only to show the last ... maybe 5 ... news on the starting page and the rest on the news page
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r24897 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
tikiwiki: [ENH] Page history (mini-revamp part 2):
tikiwiki: Single navigation when diff is of adjacent versions
tikiwiki: Comparison radio buttons disabled when not relevant
tikiwiki: Simplified diff_style menu (plus "advanced" mode button)
tikiwiki: Clear diff when switching to session mode
tikiwiki: Removed distracting numbers from navigation
re
jonnyb: have u noticed while workin' on it that the wiki page source displays nomore and it shows the wiki page history instead ?
iirc ?source=0 displayed the source (wiki syntax) of the page
no - ooh, odd
 New Forum Posts: Upgraded to 4.1 - Now getting 'Strict standards' errors everywhere - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=36265
blimey - so it does! (my fault i think - i didn't realise it was that shared!)
thanks for the alert :)
np, i was just wondering when/where it got broken :)
noticed yesterday already i think
maybe it wasn't you
weren't :-p damn english ;)
wasn't is correct
(does look odd though)
off now - bibi all
*g*
if I wnat to create a calendar, a category, a blog, a... when I create a group? Do i have to create a data channles?
channel
I understood one time - I think - but with no practice in this abscond world - I forgot again
the transition to the 'choose file' instead of browse is hard
I do not see anymore the path...
and it is not working
when ? i don't understand
try to upload categs in admin->categ
and see my message on devel
.. wil have to load manually 100 categs this evening :-(
because I do not want to debug something I do not like
ok
ok, red your message, still don't get it much better :)
usually first i create group, then category, then assign perms, then assign that category to objects
Instead of 'Browse..' when you upload a file - you have now 'Choose a file'
sh this one
sylvieg: but it is browser specific what the label on the "Browse" button is
did u know that ?
luciash: you are the best - I though so - but now I think so
so chrome has another way
unfortunatelly we cannot do much with that button (we, as web designers i mean) :(
yes
and it is bugged in chrome - but working with FF
hmm, i didn't stumbled upon it... worked for me last time
in chrome
I csv load the same file with chrome - problem - with FF ok
ah, hm, interesting, well i did with file upload to file galleries
but thx to you I have my 100 categs in
in 1 mn
oh really ? great :)
do we have a csv batch group creation?
It is good when I am doing real project .. I feel; the pain
i don't think so - we don't have csv batch group creation