hi pete
hi sylvieg
i'm svn co trunk for a couple of my sites
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tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r26003 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: [FIX] multilingual structures should depend on multilingual
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26004 10/trunk/ (21 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Maintained absE theme with correct license moved from Mods.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26005 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Maintained Ohia theme with correct license moved from Mods.
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r26006 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Clean up best language feature (it wasn't working for certain cases before)
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26007 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Maintained Snow theme with correct license moved from Mods.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26008 10/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Maintained Twist theme with correct license moved from Mods.
chibaguy: still awake and working ? :)
chibaguy: sitetitles seem too high in jqui theme
Hi luciash. OK, I'll check on the sitetitles.
Yeah, I mostly checked with just text titles and not a logo.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26009 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Maintained Business theme with correct license moved from Mods.
chibaguy: nice to have themes with compatible license in trunk :)
twisted has the sitetitles a bit twisted
ok, thanks, I'll be checking these again.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26010 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Maintained Eatlon theme with correct license moved from Mods.
Well, Twist had a small site header space. I didn't really try enlarging it to handle large logos or logo + text title.
ok, that's fine then
you disable search for it intentionally too ?
sitesearch bar
Hmm, I don't recall doing that. I'll check what happened to it.
Possibly because there's so little space, I left it out of the normal area.
though i think small search field would fit there on the right side of twist's header
probably so
The Darkshine theme's license is ok, but it has a tiki.tpl. What do you think about having it in trunk?
I haven't tried a version with the default tiki.tpl, not sure if it'd work.
Tho a lot more is possible now with the default file than before, when I last looked at this theme.
you can put it in and we can adjust and remove later when not needed
when it will work with the default one
ok, sounds good. actually I was also thinking that, just now.
i have little suggestion for the abse theme
what if the background was centered no-repeat instead ?
and instead of the main content bg becoming solid green on hover, wouldn't it be nicer to have semi transparent green permanently on the center part ?
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26011 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] Maintained Dark Shine theme with correct license moved from Mods.
Do you mean if the background image scrolled with the content?
I'm going to commit a 'skeleton' theme that has a simplified tiki.tpl and no-content theme stylesheet, in response to Patrick's request.
ok
no, i mean center center no-repeat fixed (that "world map")
ah, ok. I use a small display most of the time so didn't really notice the repeating.
chibaguy: do u have any idea what property can be used to set focused input field outline to be rounded too when the input field (unfocused state) has rounded border in chrome (webkit) ?
no, I never tried to do that before.
Didn't really pay much attention to border radius until recently.
when i set the text input field rounded i have yellow "boxed" highlight outline appearing on every focused one
ok :)
i will dig it somewhere i guess
not that important for now
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r26012 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] Skeleton theme has simplified tiki.tpl and no-content stylesheet. Intended to be a learning model and base for designers.
I wonder what's going to happen when users select skeleton and see the "broken" design. ;-)
This might need some discussion.
Can a theme be restricted from being selected (as the site admin can do when allowing users to change theme) by default?
it could be done by theme name match with condition but ...
Maybe a change in name would help. 'Skeleton' sounds kind of Halloween-like, not necessarily like a design tool.
maybe example.css
I wonder why the default HomePage text says "This is the default ))HomePage(( for your Tiki. If you are seeing this page, your installation was successful." with the syntax showing. Is this just on my installation (I haven't edited the homepage text yet after months.
do you have CamelCase links enabled ?
No
i think if disabled, the reverse brackets do not take effect
and show up as plain text
Is camelcase on by default?
No, right?
no, i think marc switched it off by default
Then the default text shouldn't have that syntax. I wonder if that's been changed (removed).
for upgrades the homepage content doesn't get affected
right
this could be kind of an old page.
so maybe it is there from the past if you haven't touched it
and didn't install fresh
for new installs it should be gone
ok.
I think I'll go to bed. But Chealer and Pascal look like they'll still be working when I get up. ;-)
g'night.
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hi all :-)
Q: using 3.x... i want to give anonymous abilty to create/edit comments on a single wiki page. on the "assign perms to wik page" i do not see a tiki_p_wiki_comment permisssion? how to give anonymous permsission to post comments?
hi ricks99 - i added something like that to trunk (maybe 4.x) to allow control over comments per page - presumably you couldn't do it before with perms
y, i saw that in trunk. but surely there's a perm to control the ability to post comments? i have the Registered group can post comments, but Anony cannot (but I want Anonymous to post comments to a single page)
tiki_p_post_comments is available for Groups, but not specific page-permission? argh
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r26013 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [ENH] Basic WYSIWYG mode for edit articles. Doesn't transform markup correctly switching between modes or remember which mode you were editing in, but then neither do blogs or newsletters.
tikiwiki: Also, only the "body" textarea can be wysiwyg so far (should be both header and body one day).
hm... getting wsod on tw.o when trying to upload a new image
http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-upload_file.php?galleryId=&view=browse&filegals_manager=data
I clicked the "choose or upload image" when writing a blog entry
:-(
is /tiki-upload_file.php broken?
seems fine to me ricks99 - in trunk?
live on tw.o
if i nav to the gallery directly from the menu, it works ok
but i was writing a blog entry and tried to upload picture
didn't work
clicking on the button sent me to this url ^^^^
but was just blank page
i'm just in for a second.  i wanted to leave this post i started for a bridge between my Tiki and SMF as the code produced may be usable (when finished) to the coders here.  http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=369609.0  i'm putting it here as i figure the logs will save it and some may be interested
 New Forum Posts: editing of *.tpl in themes broken for theme controll? - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=14&comments_parentId=36602
tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r26014 10/branches/proposals/3.x/tiki-send_blog_post.php: [ENH] Accept natural syntax in list of emails
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26015 10/trunk/ (9 files in 8 dirs): [NEW]fgal: option a user can give a duration after a file can be deleted
polom polom
why did we add again all the styles with tpl variations in trunk?
sylvieg: hi, wait for gary to explain, but i think Marc's idea was to have more nice LGPL compatible themes for Tiki 5 in to choose from... the custom tpl files hopefully will become obsolete soon
but ... we go the themes for that...
but no idea what _soon_ exactly means :-/
we always have been bad for doing that
basicaly i agree with you but maybe they think mods themes is too difficult still, no idea, really
ask the guys at tikifest
they should wake up soon ;)
hi all, yes - i was hoping we were talking about themes without too many customised tpls but it seemed like a good idea to try and bundle more _usable_ themes in tiki
and really it is not hard to ask a tiki user to go 'shopping' on themes...
polom
polom bro
hi
hi jonnyb 
one thing I like is skeleton.css
hi luciash 
what do you guys mean with custom templates obsolete? This is one of my big problems right now - I need a changed order for my wiki page headers and blog headers (h2 before the edit icons, etc.) - but I don't want to change templates...
because with the mini css we can do a lot
... template change is muuuuch more easy than CSS though! So I'm veeery tempted - but how is the future planned - what would be my best bet to go?
it is your theme - so you can follow test ... no problem to change the tpl
but for a dev.. changing tiki.tpl will mean 10 changes and tests
amette: it is not obsolete for customizers, it is obsolete for bundled themes
just very tough to do - I have to rebuild the whole view_blog.tpl now - upgrade from old custom template - I'd like to build something more maintainable..
create option ;-)
yes, it is disadvantage you have to pay for using custom tpl files
luciash: ah, ok... so what does that mean? we never change order of stuff on pages - or we all become wicked CSS magicians? ;)
sylvieg: *G*
position of the nav bar has been improve for wiki page... perhaps the option must be 'generalized'
amette: depends on what you want to achieve... tiki is already very flexible even without need for custom tpl files
generalized would be to allow the user to choose in which order all the different stuff on wiki-pages is shown (title, edit-bar, freetags, categories, whatever) - but then it is impossible to install a theme without a profile... ;)
amette: you can e.g. position your wiki icons bar above, below wiki content, have title switched on/off, you can even place your own stuff in custom code textareas
yep, my thing is only that the title should be the top-most (I wonder why that is not default) - fits my theme the best
see now on devel - the language bar is above the h1
( which actually semantically is not really bad... but somehow.... )
hello@all.  I have a question.How can I restrict the ability to categorize object to creator of the page? 
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it reacts twice to that line? yeah? ROFL :P
huh ?
s/it/she - sorry ;)
cool makes me feel important ;-)
hehehe
the word question triggers the bot?
but sorry, I don't know the answer to your question or if it possible
question triggers it
yeah, it seems so
i thought :-p
how can I have a question ;-)
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coaboa: i think using user groups ?
how question
what? I'm not important?? :P
can i have a question too ?
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ultimate bottriggering;-)
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can I ?
i have a question :-p
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LOL
sheeesh
she is retarded... :P
ok, back to the real question
yeah, good plan :)
coaboa: i think somehow it was possible
coaboa: if you create for every registered user the same username group
lgood hint... thx
*good
Q: using tiki 3.x... after taking a survey, how can i specify a specific page to go to (instead of the default tiki-list_surveys)?
A: you can't (afaik)
argh
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r26016 10/trunk/styles/strasa.css: [ENH] Strasa theme: some CSS code optimizations
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r26017 10/trunk/styles/strasa.css: 
tikiwiki: [MOD] Strasa theme: partial rollback of 25977 (sorry Gary) because
tikiwiki: text-transform: uppercase for H1 causes CamelCaseWikiPage page names to appear
tikiwiki: unreadable (CAMELCASEWIKIPAGE), text color becomes black because of the link
tikiwiki: color override on page titles, H2 sections of text are nomore easy to
tikiwiki: distinguish from H3, etc.
how do I do with adodb or pdo to have the ? nopt quoted - I want a where ?+`a`< `b`. It adds quotes around the value..
polom
polom
sylvieg: why would you want no quotes?
polom
time to branch branches/5.x 
greets mlaporte & chealer - i have another commit (db addition)
hurry!
woo-hoo tiki5 :0
chealer: because I want a numeric computtation
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r26018 10/trunk/tiki-filter-base.php: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] directly called scripts outside of root directory (r25039 regression)
tikiwiki: oops
jonnyb: do you remember this? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SVNTips#Notes_from_4.x_release_process
I want to branch and I am wondering if anything needs to be done for merges to be easy
hi mlaporte - here now
oh right...
the first bit (of http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SVNTips#Notes_from_4.x_release_process) i think was because the branch script wasn't or couldn't be used to create branches/4.x
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26019 10/trunk/doc/devtools/svnbranch.php: [DOC] tweak make branch procedure.
so i had to put a pretend commit in to fool the merge script into being friendly with it
ok
Can I branch now?
2 mins pls
ok
conflict... 2 more mins :)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r26020 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [ENH] Add parentSheetId to tiki_sheets table - plus admin interface (multi-sheet implementation to come soon)
ok, more like 10 mins, but done
hehe
ok, everyone!
ok, does the script work for making new stable branches?
http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/doc/devtools/svnbranch.php?view=markup that is
ay?
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r26021 10/trunk/robots.txt: [ADD] robots.txt: attempt to reduce server overload by getting crawling robots lost in file galleries due to sort links (e.g. more than 7000 indexed variations of one Tiki filegals in Google for cca 10 galleries)
(meant to just paste in doc/devtools/svnbranch.php)
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r26022 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-minichat.tpl: [FIX] minichat module: 2 seconds refresh too fast - caused server overload (6 seconds by default now, todo: make it optional via module param)
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r26023 10/trunk/tiki-minichat_ajax.php: [FIX] minichat module: removing replace for :/ - caused http:// pasteys in minichat to become broken by emoticon (todo: use global smileys from tikilib)
mlaporte: are you branching now?
need to pop out - bbl
hi - anyone know if there is a smarty var for the active WS (perspective) already defined?
anyone know where survey *responses* are stored? i cleared the survey stats, but not everything was cleared. and tiki still has my IP recorded as already taken the survey
results do not appear to be stored in any of the tiki_survey_* tables
ricks99: tiki_user_votings probalby
ah...
hm.. i dont see everything...
text field and text area responses are not stored there, it appears only "select one" options
is there a way to do a text search within a database, so i can find out which table has a specific field?
ricks99: try a search in tiki.sql
on another topic - does anyone know how to do the css shadows thing using feature_layoutshadows?
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26024 10/trunk/tests/testfile.txt: test
or could point at an example?
no, i mean, a user entered "FOO" as a survey result. I cleared the stats, but tiki still shows the FOO result. how can i search in my DB for FOO?
to figure out which table it is in, and manually remove it?
oh, ok - do a dump of the db from phpmyadmin?
100MB :-(
jonnyb, I made a big version of the graphic that superfish uses for its menu dropdowns, then used that for the background image of a div that contains the div you want the shadow on.
phpmyadmin can search 
nasty
...or in the case of the theme I was doing, I used the shadow for the bg of .box and then made box-title and box-data backgrounds white. Easy shadow with no extra markup.
but isn't there a way of doing it for any size box?
using bg image positioning
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when I did for .box, the shadow flexed depending on the box size.
chibaguy: is there an example i can go and "inspect"?
on another topic, is there anything sites need to do differently to use additional jquery scripts in trunk compared to tiki 4? variable name change still needed.
?
sylvieg: ah. would you be using a string representing an integer in bindvars?
chibaguy: still need to change the $ to $jq (generally - most plugins work ok without needing that)
jonnyb: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nested+divs+drop+shadows ;)
the site I made for decided not to use the shadows so I don't have an example up anywhere.
i did google lots, of course - just not quite that string :)
np :)
alternatively if you can rely on CSS3 you can use -moz nad -webkit CSS drop shadow
s/nad/and/
that is very easy and you don't need these extra layout-shadows nested divs
one day maybe, but not this month, i feel (sadly)
jonnyb: -moz-box-shadow: -5px 5px 15px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2); -webkit-box-shadow: -5px 5px 15px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2);
for example
and for IE? ;)
no way
the one here looks ok: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/dropshadows.html#method
only using the bg images as in the googled links
yep
that's for layout shadows in tiki are still good for
fails on IE6, but i think that's ok
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26025 10/branches/5.x/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 26024
I'll do a demo/themeoption of the shadow method I used today if i can.
would be kinda nifty as a theme option.
BOX with an option drop-shadow will be nice too
yes
chibaguy: do u have example site where i can see the problem with size of h2 vs h3 ?
luciash, ok, just a minute and I'll turn off page titles at zukakakina.com
damn, in trunk i am stuck again when ajax/jsminify/whatever it is is on
zukakakina?  I think I saw one of those recently on Pawn Stars.  They had to repair the veneer and neck.
yes i had that earlier - is dull
links to tiki-admin.php#main instead of the actual admin page and does nothing
luciash: go to tiki-admin.php?page=performance directly
sure
without even knowing what they are :D
jonnyb: i have only minify javascript on
jonnyb: is it that bad ?
in what way, luciash?
jonnyb: no, i think it must be something else, i bet ajax
minify js seems to break ajax somehow now
or the other way round...
luckily the &cookietab=3 works still :-p
eh, =4
yeah, ajax is broken
eh, or even something else ?
disabled it and still no JS joy ? weird
hm, looks good
huh, what is "Restored 'modules/cache/web.config'" ?
what is the web.config file ?
it's in external lib/fckeditor also
luciash: http://zukakakina.com/Sample_page (view in strasa)
modules and menus do not toggle, tikitabs do not switch in trunk, other JS (like theme switch) works though
jonnyb, you can check the Tikinewt theme, Shadows theme option. The modules are goofy because I pasted in the css from another theme and didn't adjust everything yet, but you get the idea.
bottom left and top right corners aren't so good, though.
lunch time.
ok, thx
chibaguy: ok, i don't see the problem other than H1 is lowercase and H3 is different in both size and font style compared to H2
H3 is smaller as it should be compared to H2
H1 is slightly bigger
than H2
maybe we can make it little bit more, but still it is bigger (if you wouldn't use all lowercase letters)
jonnyb: isn't it yours from aptana ?
web.config
sorry?
tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r26026 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: 
tikiwiki: [MOD]TRACKERLIST: possibility to filter on the value of a field in the user
tikiwiki: tracker item. ex: filterfield=1, exactvalue=field(2,user,3) means list the items
tikiwiki: that have the field 1 equals to the value of the field 2 of the user item of the
tikiwiki: tracker 3
jonnyb: aah, sorry, it's pascal-jean's [NEW] - Equivilant of _htaccess for SEFURLs to work on IIS. File needs to be renamed to web.config to activate
jonnyb: they got in renamed accidentaly i guess
phew! tohught i'd committed something astray
no, i think i saw some web.configs arrive - for IIS
to stop directory listing... if you've been dim enough to allow it
ah, they don't seem accidental
Revision: 26000 [NEW] - Replicates Apache htaccess behaviors for IIS
seems "odd" as you only need one at the root and they all inherit the settings
ah, really odd
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r26027 10/trunk/lib/ (perspectivelib.php prefslib.php): [FIX] Perspective prefs (e.g. checkbox turning on) not setting properly
i wonder why the hell the JS stopped working on my trunk copy
everything seem to be in place, javascript is enabled
when i click stuff i only get in JS console: Uncaught ReferenceError: phplm_collapse is not defined, Uncaught ReferenceError: icntoggle is not defined, Uncaught ReferenceError: parseExpandString is not defined, Uncaught ReferenceError: tikitabs is not defined ...
for thos interesting on tracker and filtering - something very useful http://doc.tikiwiki.org/PluginTrackerList&bl=n#How_to_filter_a_tracker_function_of_a_field_in_a_user_tracker.
Sylvie, quick question on polls.
sylvieg: nice
Is $prefs.style_option the correct syntax?
(To do filtering based on theme option)
in a tpl chibaguy ? yes
yes, or in the L&F custom code textareas.
ok, thanks.
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r26028 10/trunk/lib/prefs/site.php: [FIX] Make style option a dynamic pref
chibaguy: $prefs.site_style_option
ok, thanks.
Another question: What is the syntax to use in the L&F textarea to include a .tpl file?
chibaguy: do you mean the usual include smarty tag? (I haven't tried this before)
yes, that's it.
ok
the basic problem is to put an if statement in a wiki page to load content in a div according to what page you're on.
the loaded content also contains an if statement, which was why it's in a .tpl file.
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r26029 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/tikisetup.class.php: 
tikiwiki: possibly fix ticket 2041 - Incorrect base path detected when installing on IIS (Directory does not exist errors)
tikiwiki: Preferably use SCRIPT_FILENAME on IIS - IIS FastCGI should have it
tikiwiki: suggested by Wade Hildo
anyone in the mood to run release scripts?
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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26030 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Release-related changes
My shadow demo is looking a little better, jonnyb or whoever's interested. :-) http://zukakakina.com/ and choose Tikinewt and Shadow option.
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26031 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Release-related changes
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r26032 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Release-related changes
No extra markup, not even shadowdivs.