#tikiwiki 2010-05-18,Tue

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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3186 - - TW5.0Beta Tracker option 1 (auto-assign) does not work - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3186	[00:05]
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Nils^	hey people. Tikiwiki 4.2: Is there a way to grant access to a forum only for a few selected users? I know this is done with groups, but I don't want that other users can see that there is a special group they do not belong too. So either user-permission for a certain forum or a hidden group. Anything available? (You may guess right, that this is some kind of secret police for a website community where even the "Insiders" get controlled)	[00:10]
ricks99	there's no "user-permission" but u can do this with groups just dont let "group a" list the forum title that is private	[00:12]
Nils^	this says there are individual permissions for forum available. I don't find them, thats why I asked here. Maybe someone wants to know that this needs editing: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Groups+Management?bl=y#General_permissions	[00:14]
ricks99	yes, you can have object-level permission for the forum	[00:15]
Nils^	ricks99: I don't understand yet. I create a group for those special people so only them can watch the forum. Ah, I know what is the right question! Are other uses in tikiwiki able to see which group a user belongs to? I assumed this would be the case but in fact I don't know.	[00:15]
ricks99	only if you give them group management perms	[00:16]
Nils^	I see.. there are no userpages	[00:17]
ricks99	? userpages are completely different	[00:17]
Nils^	ricks99: I'm new to tikiwiki. I expected there would be user-information pages like on other bulletinboard software or social networks. the usual stuff like birthday, icq number, postcount... and group memberships. But if there is no place a normal registered member can view group memberships I have what I want.	[00:19]
ricks99	y. in the user preferences area it is configurable. see the docs on the permissions section for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/permission and if u are new to tiki, might want to look at the beginner's guide, too: http://twbasics.keycontent.org	[00:20]
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Nils^	ricks99: thank you good night	[00:30]
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ricks99	youre welcome	[00:30]
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ricks99	hm... my browser's (FF) spell check does not work when using wysiwyg editor in tiki5 is this a known issue? to be expected?	[01:08]
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coaboa	good morning	[07:01]
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luciash	polom hi all	[08:10]
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luciash	good morning england :)	[09:04]
jonnyb	morning luciash and all coffee etc - bbl	[09:08]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27216 10/trunk/templates/tiki-payment.tpl: [FIX] Only payment admins should be able to add payment requests	[11:30]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27217 10/trunk/lib/payment/cartlib.php: tikiwiki: [MOD] Payment: Don't empty cart when just looking at payment options. tikiwiki: TODO empty it once payment has been made, hence leaving comment as a reminder	[11:33]
ricks99	hi all :-)	[11:34]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27218 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] Payments by non admins should only be visible only to the user that created them. tikiwiki: More to do on this...	[11:34]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27219 10/trunk/ (24 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27169 to 27212	[12:12]
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RavenC	hello everyone	[12:22]
jonnyb	hi RavenC	[12:23]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03jacmoe2 * r27220 10/branches/5.x/ (lib/prefs/auth.php templates/tiki-admin-include-login.tpl): [FIX] phpBB Auth: Help URL corrected. Remarksbox added to warn user to turn User Registration off.	[12:33]
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marclaporte	polom	[13:04]
RavenC	polom Marc	[13:06]
jonnyb	polomalso	[13:06]
ricks99	polom2	[13:07]
marclaporte	jonnyb : our emails are crossing today :-)	[13:08]
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marclaporte	at least, we are saying similar things :-)	[13:08]
jonnyb	:)	[13:09]
chealer	polom³	[13:12]
jonnyb	nice hi chealer	[13:12]
ricks99	lol	[13:12]
chealer	hi jonnyb. I talked to Opossum (TikiFestQuebec hosters) yesterday and they're migrating a Tiki 2 WYSIWYG to a Tiki 4 in classic edit mode. jonnyb: they're concerned about the classic edit mode's usability; many small issues. for example, the internal link "quicktag" has issues.	[13:13]
jonnyb	better go for 5 now, surely?	[13:14]
chealer	jonnyb: I looked a bit and noticed toolbarslib has code to parse a selected external link and prefill the external link popup's field, since Tiki 4. but that seems to work rarely.	[13:14]
jonnyb	don't want to spend any more time on 4 - should be one more release the SEC fixes only, imho	[13:15]
chealer	or to be broken in Firefox, perhaps (on all version I tried, from 4.2 to trunk)	[13:15]
jonnyb	how it in in 5.x?	[13:15]
marclaporte	go go go Tiki5!	[13:15]
jonnyb	i did quite a few fixes	[13:15]
chealer	jonnyb: it's broken too.	[13:15]
jonnyb	:( mail me a specific test and i'll have a go - mind you, firefox is just weird these days with tiki and textareas	[13:15]
chealer	jonnyb: we discussed going 5. I told them they may want to verify whether each issue is fixed in 5.x so they can re-evaluate their decision when the deployment time comes (which will be pretty soon).	[13:16]
luciash	hey guys, what is the star name for Tiki 5.x ?	[13:16]
jonnyb	i'm only be fixing stuff in 5.x from now on	[13:17]
chealer	jonnyb: (their customer is the government, for an intranet, so they need some level of reliability)	[13:17]
jonnyb	hi luciash - it was something beginning with v i think, vaguely fox related afaicr don't we all chealer ;)	[13:17]
chealer	jonnyb: yeah. I found it works in Opera. what I found with Firebug is there seems to be an exception catched on toolbarslib.php:1325 (5.x).	[13:19]
jonnyb	oh? not seen that one...	[13:19]
chealer	jonnyb: because the step by step debugging goes there. but when Firebug is on that line, e, which is supposed to contain the exception, is not defined. so I'm wondering if this is a Firebug bug or if I'm missing something. it would help a lot to debug if I got the exception message, if there is one.	[13:20]
jonnyb	in firebug you can get it to break on any exception (also, rather coolly, on any DOM change)	[13:20]
chealer	jonnyb: even if it's catched? (caught)	[13:21]
jonnyb	top left icon in the console panel maybe not - stick a breakpoint in?	[13:21]
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chealer	jonnyb: just did that. a breakpoint in the catch doesn't stop the execution. so it would be a Firebug bug then. and then I need to figure out the actual problem.	[13:25]
jonnyb	ok, gimme a few minutes and i'll try and do it here too	[13:26]
luciash	jonnyb: ah, i remember something like that too, but can't remember the exact name :)	[13:26]
jonnyb	vulpeculiar or something... should be in twversion.class.php i think	[13:27]
chealer	jonnyb: there's no way to debug with Firebug a jQuery function, like the one we create for open at toolbarslib.php:969, is there?	[13:27]
luciash	jonnyb: ah, tks	[13:27]
chealer	hehe	[13:27]
jonnyb	no, it's a bit of a nightmare chealer - chrome/safari does it slightly better	[13:28]
chealer	jonnyb: hum. oh...is it worth trying them?	[13:31]
jonnyb	chealer: ...gimme a few minutes and i'll try and do it here too	[13:31]
chealer	jonnyb: thank you. I should really take breakfast before I start working, bbl	[13:32]
jonnyb	:)	[13:32]
chealer	jonnyb: if you don't want to spend time on 4.x, it will be a pleasure for me to backport the fix.	[13:32]
ricks99	Q: after the release of 5.0, will there be a 4.3? As per the roadmap, I thought not?	[13:33]
jonnyb	luciash: i was close! :)	[13:36]
luciash	ricks99: just sent a msg to devel list about the same	[13:36]
ricks99	ah.. k. so 4.3 will represent the end of 4.x. good plan	[13:37]
luciash	it's just my suggestion, i hope it will be agreed	[13:37]
ricks99	+1 from me. (fwiw)	[13:37]
marclaporte	+1 to a 4.3 (final EOL)	[13:39]
ricks99	how goes the 5.0 rleease? soon maybe?	[13:42]
marclaporte	We were down to 0 blockers, but xavi found one :-)	[13:44]
ricks99	damn that xavi. it is all his fault! ;-)	[13:45]
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sylvieg	Is there a convention to put in an admin settings page .... feature not enabled - for instance if feature_wysiwyg is not on, The admin.php>page=wysiwyg - do not tell me that th efeature is not on idem for freetags, directory... do we put a big warning or do we do a child container	[14:08]
jonnyb	not sure sylvie - but i was noticing all the "needs feature_blahblah (OK)" messages are a bit redundant imho	[14:11]
marclaporte	I think it's a good idea to put a feature checkbox on those pages. It always annoyed me to need to go to several places. Perhaps just one extra checkbox at the top, but not the dependency check on each	[14:11]
sylvieg	so I just put {preference name=feature_wysiwyg} at teh top of the page?	[14:15]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27221 10/branches/5.x/templates/ (2 files): [ENH]feature: put the feature setting checkbox at the top if feature is not on: to be generalized if approved	[14:22]
marclaporte	sylvieg: : smart	[14:26]
sylvieg	did somebody fix volontary the wiki page link ((toto)) in fck between 4.x and 5.x It has been fixed . In 4.x if you insert a wiki page link and go back anfdforth the source button it adds another ((toto)) eqch time and I must say in chrome and FF - strange bug...	[14:27]
jonnyb	not sure what you mean sylvieg	[14:30]
sylvieg	if I simplify the wiki page link in tiki4 on chrome does not wirk - but works in tiki5 or tiki4 FF sylvieg does not feel ready to do svn up -r xxx to find where it was fixed	[14:30]
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	oh cool jonnyb it is your commit 26605 that fixes my problem with fck chrome :-)	[15:05]
jonnyb	that's nice to hear, thanks :)	[15:08]
luciash	hmm, filegal with plms off doesn't look that bad, just the tree isn't dynamically collapsable	[15:15]
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sylvieg	sylvieg needs to find sometimes to reinvest in the fix for plm ... the dynamic js must be loaded and not insert - because it is before the plm initialisation right now	[15:18]
luciash	why o my is tiki so slow on my laptop :-p btw, fivealive theme doesn't fit in 1024x768 minimum resolution :-/ i have horiz scrollbar below	[15:23]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27222 10/branches/5.x/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: [FIX] Sheet: workaround for addRow bug in jquery.sheet when adding row near the bottom of a sheet.	[15:53]
jonnyb	sylvieg: i'll take a look a PLM - which file to start in?	[16:00]
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marclaporte	polom Is there a way to reset tools to default?	[16:30]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03pascalstjean * r27223 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_articles.php: [MOD] - Added Pagination to Articles Plugin	[16:36]
ricks99	tools = toolbar?	[16:37]
marclaporte	y	[16:38]
ricks99	need to delete the rows from the tiki_prefernces db table	[16:38]
marclaporte	urgh	[16:39]
ricks99	yup	[16:39]
jonnyb	isn't there a "reset to defaults" button for you on admin toolbars? (or reset to global on ones you've customised)	[16:40]
marclaporte	I see a reset to global it's here: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-admin_toolbars.php?page=jj&section=wiki+page	[16:40]
jonnyb	that's the default (only global is defined by default, no?)	[16:41]
marclaporte	I just want to nuke all modifications and have the default	[16:41]
ricks99	ricks99 never noticed the RESET TO DEFAULTS button very nice!	[16:41]
jonnyb	or you want to reset a section toolbar to the global defaults, but leave the current global ones customised? yes, there's no button for that i'm afraid	[16:42]
marclaporte	I want to remove very single customization because the "no parse" icon is in a weird spot ok, no problem, it's minor	[16:43]
luciash	wiki=1 in HTML plugin doesn't seem to work for me on profiles.tw.o (where i noticed it)	[16:44]
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luciash	this doesn't validate in profile YAML: allow: [creator_modification] #allow users modify their items but it is documented it should → http://profiles.tikiwiki.org/Tracker+Handler&highlight=creator_modification#Tracker_Object any ideas ?	[17:07]
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jonnyb	sorry luciash - i don't follow	[17:15]
luciash	ah, the brackets are reserved to arrays (only when more than one stuff to allow) so allow: creator_modification works	[17:23]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27224 10/branches/5.x/tiki-editpage.php: tikiwiki: [FIX]Bring back earlier behavior in structures, so that existing pages can be tikiwiki: added to structures easily fro within the header in previous pages of that tikiwiki: structure. (a clear use case is in big structures such as in tikiwiki: doc.tw.o/Documentation )	[17:26]
ricks99	are each of the tw.o sites going to have their own color favicon? or all siimply use the blue from info.tw.o?	[17:34]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27225 10/branches/proposals/4.x/tiki-editpage.php: tikiwiki: [FIX][bp/r27224] Bring back earlier behavior in structures, so that existing tikiwiki: pages can be added to structures easily from within the header in previous pages tikiwiki: of that structure. (a clear use case is in big structures such as in tikiwiki: doc.tw.o/Documentation ) tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27226 10/branches/proposals/3.x/tiki-editpage.php: tikiwiki: [FIX][bp/r27224] Bring back earlier behavior in structures, so that existing tikiwiki: pages can be added to structures easily from within the header in previous pages tikiwiki: of that structure. (a clear use case is in big structures such as in tikiwiki: doc.tw.o/Documentation )	[17:36]
luciash	ricks99: no idea, own color favicon would be nice	[17:39]
ricks99	i updated on info.tw.o. assume that someone else is handling other sites?	[17:41]
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luciash	omg, why is it so ugly jiggy white on the edges ?	[18:30]
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marclaporte	I have a duplicate title in browser window	[19:15]
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pascalstjean	good day everyone. I have PHP and SMARTY errors turned on. I get a white screen when I try any type of edit (wiki, new articles, article submission etc...) any idea what would cause this? Server memory?	[19:19]
CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27227 10/branches/5.x/ (lib/phplayers_tiki/footer.js tiki-setup.php): [FIX]plm: fix the horizontal phplayers menu	[19:25]
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sylvieg	sylvieg have oftern to swritch display_errors on in the .htaccess to see soemthing sylvieg happy - fix the phplayers menus	[19:29]
chealer	pascalstjean: did you check your Apache log? are you getting a 500 error?	[19:33]
pascalstjean	no just white screen. But I did not check apache log chealer: what's your guess?	[19:34]
marclaporte	pascalstjean : try setup.sh to fix perms	[19:35]
chealer	pascalstjean: I'd rather see the logs that making guesses. it could be a PHP segfault.	[19:35]
pascalstjean	chealer: ok I'll wait for Nelson since he's does most of our Server Administration	[19:38]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27228 10/branches/5.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_html.php: [FIX] wiki-plugin HTML: the param wiki=1 works again tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27229 10/branches/5.x/ (templates/tiki-admin_actionlog.tpl tiki-admin_actionlog.php): [FIX]actionlog: some improvment (I hope) in actionlog UI	[21:12]
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ricks99	anyone around that can help me with an intertiki setup? i keep getting: XMLRPC Error: 101 - Invalid server key even though I am 100% that the server key is correct	[21:24]
luciash	ricks99: sorry, what i would do would be copy'n'paste from tw.o ;)	[21:26]
ricks99	'cept it isn't for tw.o :-) i want to use intertiki to share users on two subdomain sites.	[21:26]
luciash	sure but it can give you clue how to	[21:28]
ricks99	y. i'm pretty sure i have it all set properly (i actually read the docs!)	[21:28]
sylvieg	the slave does not have the right server key	[21:29]
ricks99	i am 100% they are identical. is there a minimum length for the key? they are on the same ip, so i used 127.0.0.1	[21:30]
sylvieg	ah probably the problem since recently I get some :::1 some soemthing like that look in tiki logs you should see the ip check in tii_phpinfo REMOTE_ADDR it should be this one in the latest 5 (was 127.0.0.1 in 4)	[21:39]
ricks99	:( replaced it with the actual ip. still get sam erorr	[21:42]
sylvieg	if (!isset($prefs['known_hosts'][$key]) or $prefs['known_hosts'][$key]['ip'] != $tikilib->get_ip_address()) { is the only lien producing this error so if your key is ok , and if the ip is the same than the one the server give in phpinfo and the same you put in the client	[21:43]
ricks99	my key is 123 for both client and server	[21:44]
sylvieg	the master does not need a key??	[21:46]
ricks99	i mean on the master tiki, the key that identifies the client	[21:46]
sylvieg	ah ok	[21:47]
ricks99	i'm on a shared host. I wonder if that is an issue? ricks99 wishes that tiki was smart enough to redirect the tiki-register.php on the client to go to the sever automatically i'll play with it some more. tx sylvieg	[21:47]
sylvieg	there is 'log' in remote.php - nend to uncomment some lines .. and you can get more info	[21:50]
ricks99	in remote.php of my client or server?	[21:51]
sylvieg	server	[21:52]
ricks99	tx. i'll take a look there	[21:52]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27230 10/branches/5.x/ (templates/tiki-admin_actionlog.tpl tiki-admin_actionlog.php): notice	[22:08]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27231 10/trunk/ (12 files in 6 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27212 to 27230	[22:27]
sylvieg	the first since ... I do not conflict while merging - jonny merged recently I think	[22:27]
Rockj	sylvieg: do you want to digg more into the ldap groups not updating? on login when it has changed in ldap? I got some spare time to be testing a bit if you want.	[22:28]
sylvieg	I do not have anymore a test site on ldap	[22:29]
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sylvieg	I work only on ldap when I have a project on it - one day I will set a ldap server on my local - but still a little scary	[22:30]
Rockj	hm, I can give you some "var_dump" or something other usefull, if you could point me in the direction where you want it	[22:31]
sylvieg	if you can provide me all the access to a ldap test siteg - will be ahappy to help	[22:31]
Rockj	I assume you want it around where login happens, and why it doesn't update groups when ldap groups have been changed hmf, I could take a server I have and throw in ldap and tikiwiki quickly if you got the time, hm. Because I'm kinda keen on getting it solved.	[22:31]
	in tiki-login.php there is code for updating real name etc it seems	[22:38]
sylvieg	ldap people are 'crazy' as soon as I fix problem I am ejected .. so it it a fluctuating bug fix - need my own ldap test site Rockj: you can also contact redflo he is the guy who added the feature	[22:40]
Rockj	it might be a reason for why he doesn't want it to sync, but it sounds weird. sylvieg: does redflo idle on IRC?	[22:41]
sylvieg	not often try devel list - he is reading that	[22:46]
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Rockj	do I need to subscribe? if not, give me the email addie and ill see if I can send of an email. also we're using the 4.1 branch, maybe there's been quite some ldap updates maybe since our`download? So if you change any of the above information in LDAP, the data are synchronized the next time the user logs into tiki. You can even change group membership in LDAP and it gets sychronized to tiki. What is not replicated to tiki are object (usr/group) deletions. aha, any reason for why deletions is not included?	[22:50]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27232 10/branches/5.x/lang/en/language.php: [FIX] english language: Calendar is nomore being applied by the Personal Blog profile + xhtml rendering validation fix	[23:47]
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CIA-56	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r27233 10/branches/5.x/lang/cs/language.php: czech language: cleaning before release (reducing file size by removing untranslated commented out lines)	[23:57]

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