#tikiwiki 2010-06-09,Wed

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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jacmoe2 * r27562 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_transclude.php: [FIX] Reverting r57517 - pluging_transclude: please check that it works before refactoring. Body needs special handling, otherwise all line-endings will be globbed out.	[00:52]
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Oli	Hi all, I have just upgraded to tiki five and it went mostly OK except that search results are not displayed, any ideas?	[06:43]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Search Results (files/wiki's) - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=37411	[07:06]
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luciash	sylvieg: was it you who deleted content on http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=PluginTracker ?	[07:24]
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	sylvieg: if it was you, i don't understand why... by accident ?	[07:40]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27563 10/mods/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]X11 & Graph params fixed! Yay, this is getting nice and more versatile than before! :-). Confirmed that pretty trackers with plugin R calls in that smarty syntax work for me again (thanks sylvieg!).	[08:58]
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choomba	hi, i'm having trouble with tiki5 install.. installer gives following error: Fatal error: Call to undefined method TikiInit::is_writeable() in [removed]choombawebroottikiinstallertiki-installer.php on line 232 any advice?	[10:05]
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choomba	anybody?	[10:43]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27564 10/branches/5.x/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [ENH] Profiles: Add allow_one_item_per_user (oneUserItem) to tracker handler (good for user trackers etc)	[11:25]
amette	I'm just looking at branding.tw.o and I think that the "Vision" is actually the "Mission" - it is way too specific... ... I'd move it over to be the Mission and put something like: "Making the world work the wiki way."	[11:30]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27565 10/trunk/ (. lib/profilelib/installlib.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27535 to 27564	[11:31]
amette	or something like that Would it be acceptable, if I do that? ( I understand that branding.tw.o is a work in progress.. but I thought I'd ask, as I'm not so sure about the rules there... ;) ) "Making the world work the wiki way." as the Vision, I meant to say	[11:31]
luciash	hi bro	[11:36]
amette	heya bracho :)	[11:36]
luciash	wouldn't it mean "Making the world work the quick way" ? :-p	[11:37]
amette	LOL :P Yeah, that it means - never thought of it this way! :)	[11:38]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27566 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: notice	[11:38]
amette	Or perhaps just "Making stuff work the wiki way." Be as general as possible in a vision... ... give people space to interprete and associate freely... ... see the first rule - it's a very good example - a good vision is similar in this respect.	[11:39]
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luciash	what about "Do it the wiki way." ? or Doing it ...	[11:40]
fabricius	??	[11:40]
Tikiwiki\|bot	??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick]	[11:41]
amette	Doing is better, doesn't give a direct command to do something...	[11:41]
fabricius	ah sry	[11:41]
amette	perhaps I would say "Doing everything the wiki way."	[11:41]
fabricius	hello	[11:41]
amette	but with the "world" it's more hubris, bigger, unbelievable, feels unreachable - more like a vision - vision as in "looking ahead", "seeing something currently impossible"	[11:42]
fabricius	everything is not so good, because it is limiting people to do s.th. in a certain way	[11:42]
amette	I'm now moving that shit around...	[11:43]
ricks99	@amette: maybe... "Documenation the Wiki Way"	[11:43]
amette	... the current vision definitely is not a vision, but a mission... ... I'm gonna cite standard management books, if need be! :P	[11:43]
fabricius	I am looking for an irc client for windows - nice, small, easy, but possible to log my personal chats ... any suggestions?	[11:44]
luciash	i agree with hte mission the	[11:44]
amette	luciash: cool	[11:44]
ricks99	@fabricius: i love trililan	[11:44]
luciash	ricks99: i thought you love your wife ;)	[11:45]
ricks99	mission statement: opensource the wiki way? @luciash: shhhhhhhhhhh :-)	[11:45]
luciash	:D	[11:45]
amette	luciash: ricks99 : G	[11:45]
ricks99	ricks99 goes to re-read the current mission/vision statements... and kiss his wife....	[11:46]
luciash	:)	[11:47]
fabricius	what´s about " We do it the Tiki Way" ?	[11:48]
luciash	hi fabricius	[11:48]
amette	I found the shortes possible catchy Vision! :D	[11:48]
fabricius	or "Join the Tikinspiration of Life"	[11:48]
amette	Wiki Way FTW ;)	[11:48]
luciash	wtf is ftw	[11:49]
amette	probably need to precise that for non-geeks ;) oh - probably need to precise that for geeks, too ;P	[11:49]
luciash	lol >whatis ftw	[11:49]
Sug4r	Error: No factoid matches that key.	[11:49]
amette	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw	[11:49]
ricks99	Opensource development... the wiki way.	[11:49]
amette	we don't only do opensource development... ... we also do community development.. .. brand development...	[11:50]
fabricius	ricks99: the tiki way	[11:50]
amette	.. anything the wiki way! fabricius: we call it the wiki way cause we want to refer to the bigger picture	[11:50]
fabricius	.-D	[11:50]
luciash	g	[11:51]
amette	:)	[11:51]
fabricius	amette: kk, just stepped in anyway ... only looking for a client and heading off ... go to cologne in an hou	[11:51]
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ricks99	Tiki: Communities built the wiki way.	[11:52]
fabricius	ricks99: its not only communities	[11:52]
ricks99	@fabricius: check out trillian. provides irc+multiple im clients all in one	[11:52]
amette	yeah	[11:52]
ricks99	ok. i give up on vision/mission. :)	[11:53]
amette	and it expresses something that you can actually grasp...	[11:53]
luciash	i think best was just "The Wiki Way"	[11:53]
fabricius	how to describe s.th. in only a few words, that nearlx can do everything	[11:53]
amette	... a vision shouldn't be concrete. luciash: Yeah, I think too, that that's pretty good!! it just lacks some goal to reach...	[11:53]
fabricius	isn´t it the title, the sublement of that vision?	[11:53]
luciash	doing or anything else can bring misleading associations ;)	[11:53]
amette	yup, it's difficult :)	[11:54]
fabricius	tikiwiki that brought the Wiki Way to an extend, to a maximum of usage and ecperience	[11:54]
luciash	we're getting into an "academic discussion"	[11:55]
fabricius	"The Wiki Way" opens up everything, but breaks it to the point in the same time.	[11:55]
luciash	luciash is stepping off	[11:55]
amette	amette already did	[11:55]
Oli	Sorry for butting in and for repeating myself but I am having a strange issues with a T5 upgrade, everything appears to work except for search that displays no results, all a get is a screen with the leftmost columns displayed inside the central frame, is this a known issue ?	[11:56]
fabricius	so any idea for an open source free irc-client? trillian seem not to be open source, but stunning in the integrated protocols - interesting aswell	[11:57]
amette	Oli: don't feel sorry for asking - it is a well phrased and decent question!	[11:57]
luciash	Oli: i have seen this on dev.tw.o Oli: this buggy behavior	[11:57]
amette	Oli: but I didn't try Tiki5 yet - need to wait for others to reply (ok, luciash just did ;) )	[11:58]
ricks99	@fabricius: will the base trillian is free (not opensource though). if you want opensource, try pidgin	[11:59]
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Oli	Thanks ... Any ideas what I can try, my tiki is 3600 pages and without search not worth much....	[12:03]
fabricius	oli - hopefuly you did make a dump of your database before upgrading	[12:04]
Oli	yes	[12:04]
fabricius	and oli - you should test a "dummy-version" of your page before with a subdomain for ex. so you are not fucking up your productive system right now, I guess?	[12:05]
Oli	I am	[12:06]
amette	>whatis 3rules	[12:06]
Sug4r	'3rules' could be 1. Preserve Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional ( for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules )	[12:06]
fabricius	you are testing dummy or f***up?	[12:06]
amette	^- that's a pretty good Mission! g btw - that's wrong! :O	[12:06]
Oli	I have already upgraded the main site, since the dummy run went OK	[12:07]
fabricius	I have seen 3 rules before (a couple of days from now) and it´s s.th I can identify with ... mission - identification oli ah understand	[12:08]
ricks99	@Oli: does it happen with all searches?	[12:08]
Oli	yes all	[12:08]
ricks99	try searching for a term that is knon not to exist	[12:08]
amette	>learn 3rules as 1. Respect the Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional (for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules )	[12:08]
Sug4r	OK, here we go!	[12:08]
fabricius	and the search was running in the dummy?	[12:08]
Oli	ricks99: same result	[12:09]
ricks99	with no results? hm.	[12:09]
amette	>forget 3rules 1	[12:09]
Sug4r	OK, here we go!	[12:09]
amette	>whatis 3rules	[12:09]
Sug4r	'3rules' could be 1. Respect the Environment 2. Commit early, Commit often 3. Make it Optional (for more info see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/3rules )	[12:09]
amette	better... ;)	[12:09]
ricks99	r u using a custom theme or any TPL changes? custom center column header maybe? odd... searches seem to be ok on tw.o sites	[12:09]
Oli	ricks99 as I described, no right columns, left column inside central frame, I using a custom CSS but changed to defaults with no change in behaviour http://robol.com/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=the&where=pages&boolean=on&search=Go	[12:12]
luciash	ricks99: it is not working on dev.tw.o ricks99: see http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=test same as Oli amette: thx for update	[12:13]
Oli	actually the right columun is there but well out of frame but no results	[12:14]
amette	luciash: :)	[12:14]
ricks99	hm... working on info.tw.o	[12:14]
luciash	maybe it's not the latest Tiki 5	[12:14]
ricks99	possibly	[12:15]
luciash	or there is conflict of the searches in right column with the top one modules i mean	[12:15]
amette	amette thinks that "no, the three rules are more like values..."	[12:15]
luciash	Oli: do you have any search modules on ? or just the top search bar ?	[12:15]
Oli	no top bar, just a module	[12:16]
ricks99	hm... manually constructed URL works just fine: http://robol.com/tiki-searchresults.php?words=foo	[12:16]
luciash	words ??? highlight it was always	[12:16]
ricks99	when highlight is off	[12:16]
luciash	did it change ? ah so highlight seems to be the conflicting param there hm	[12:16]
ricks99	@Oli: in your search admin, do you have referrer highlighting turned on? can you try turning it off?	[12:18]
Oli	not on	[12:18]
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ricks99	out of ideas	[12:19]
Oli	In the main admin panel search is suddenly greyed out, it was highlighted just a few minutes ago ??? and if I try a search via the menu module I get "Request-URI Too Large"	[12:20]
chibaguy	Oli: first time I've seen that error with tiki I just tried in my localhost and no problem (tiki branch 5)	[12:26]
luciash	Oli: can you try to enable the top search bar and unassign the search module if it makes any difference ?	[12:27]
Oli	there is another error here http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=search+bar&search=Go	[12:27]
luciash	chibaguy: do you have module or search bar ?	[12:28]
Oli	luciash I am doing that right now	[12:28]
chibaguy	luciash, both.	[12:28]
luciash	oh upgraded site or "fresh"	[12:28]
chibaguy	upgraded is what I just tried in.	[12:29]
luciash	tiki-searchindex.php works for me too upgraded 5.0	[12:30]
chibaguy	dev.tw.o is strange though. http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?highlight=wiki&search=Go	[12:31]
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chibaguy	page source shows: <div id="tiki-center" class="clearfix content"><div id="col2"> nothing inside #tiki-center, until #col2 starts ??	[12:33]
luciash	Oli: feature_search_fulltext on ? chibaguy: yep, i have already been looking at it but no idea how to solve	[12:34]
Oli	bizarrely enough this got fixed by changing to a simpler search box module using just the mysql search, the tiki search causes a server error	[12:34]
luciash	ah, maybe there is some obsolete module left from older tiki ?	[12:36]
Oli	no, I made sure, re initalised, and I only stared using it at 4.1 just looked again in the folders, no older modules in there Thanks all for your help	[12:37]
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chibaguy	luciash, on a lighter note, I did a quick html5 'theme' by giving tiki.tpl the html5 doctype, etc. and adding <header> and <nav>, using jqui theme renamed to htmlgo.css. You can see at zukakakina.com, and switch to htmlgo.css.	[12:40]
luciash	chibaguy: w00t, great, you're fast :)	[12:40]
chibaguy	Also added html5.js for ie support. well, I was curious how it would go.	[12:40]
luciash	and it works ?	[12:41]
chibaguy	yep. :-)	[12:41]
luciash	no CSS change necessary ?	[12:41]
chibaguy	no. I just added a little styling to header and nav to test.	[12:41]
luciash	or did you hack lite.css ?	[12:41]
chibaguy	no hacking.	[12:41]
luciash	wow, that is great ! :)	[12:41]
chibaguy	it just works, as far as I can see (briefly looking) well, this afternoon at the office was pretty slow, so I had time to read up on html5 and do some planning.	[12:42]
luciash	fantastic i am surprised how well it works with litecss	[12:44]
chibaguy	I think there's nothing in html5 that affects the basic layout, apparently.	[12:46]
luciash	it says the page is rendered in Quirks mode though but seems to work well is <!DOCTYPE HTML"> really that ? HTML5 doctype ? i just wonder about the only one double-quote	[12:46]
chibaguy	oops typo	[12:48]
luciash	i see, you kept the columns as divs still oh, ok :)	[12:50]
chibaguy	well, I didn't get down to that yet, but I imagine they should be <aside>	[12:51]
luciash	is there no <col> or <column> tag in html5 ?	[12:51]
chibaguy	no	[12:52]
luciash	ok r u going to fix the typo ? so i can test more ? ;)	[12:52]
chibaguy	yes, it's fixed.	[12:52]
luciash	cool yeah ! now it renders in standards compliance mode !	[12:52]
chibaguy	oh, ok, great. I just did the minimum so far.	[12:53]
luciash	nice, thanks for sharing i suppose you send it as reply to the html5 thread on devlist	[12:55]
chibaguy	decisions need to be made about how to use the article, heading, section elements, etc.	[12:55]
luciash	i suggest	[12:55]
chibaguy	yes	[12:55]
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chibaguy	I wonder if I should commit a theme to branch 5 like this, for collaborating on, or should changes be made directly in the default files, when we do the switch. really, it's a pretty smooth transition, I'd say.	[12:57]
luciash	chibaguy: btw, where do you have zukakakina hosted ? it's pretty fast	[12:57]
chibaguy	hostrocket.com cheap account	[12:57]
luciash	thx	[12:58]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r27567 10/mods/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH]Params filtered (+ minor typo in a description field fixed).	[12:58]
chibaguy	no svn, though. at least for non-U.S. residents. :-(	[12:58]
luciash	not branch 5, trunk i would say, directly, or experimental branch and merge to trunk later	[12:59]
chibaguy	ok	[12:59]
luciash	because then we don't have to take care of deleting the custom tpl files of the theme again	[12:59]
chibaguy	right so after 5.1, I guess?	[12:59]
luciash	you can start now, if you create branches/experimental/html5 from trunk	[12:59]
chibaguy	ah, I'm not so how to create a branch, though. so -> sure	[13:00]
luciash	oh ? i thought you were the only one who did it in the past ;)	[13:00]
chibaguy	nope, not me.	[13:01]
luciash	ask the other devs then maybe if it's good idea :) and how to	[13:01]
chibaguy	ok.	[13:01]
luciash	bbl, bye	[13:03]
chibaguy	ok see you later.	[13:04]
Helene	Just to know if I'm doing everything the right way... I only want to do some changes in the french translations... I'm editing the language.php (properly I guess), saving changes, refresh the browser ... something else to do?	[13:05]
sylvieg	clear the cache	[13:07]
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Helene	done it... nothing's happening	[13:08]
luciash	Helene: tiki cache	[13:09]
RavenC	polom	[13:09]
Helene	well... do we have to clean averything or only the template_c	[13:10]
luciash	all is safe	[13:12]
Helene	so I can clear everything?	[13:12]
luciash	tiki-admin_system.php?do=all	[13:12]
Helene	done. It's ok if there's still like 5 files left	[13:13]
luciash	y	[13:13]
Helene	ok so I cleaned everything, I went on an other page of the tiki, when back immediatly and everything was back in the cache ... normal?	[13:15]
	and nothing changed... mmmm	[13:20]
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Helene	I have to execute get_strings.php ?	[13:31]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27568 10/branches/5.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]query: missing a space	[13:51]
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sylvieg	Helene: no need to excecute get_strings	[14:19]
Helene	ok.. I gave up anyway... it's not working...	[14:24]
CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27569 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_input.tpl: [FIX] Tracker "creator can edit" fields: Sometimes (e.g. tiki-view_tracker_item.php) it uses item.createdBy not item.creator tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27570 10/trunk/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: tikiwiki: [ENH] Profiles: Groups can now be modified from profiles (so all those "description: Ignored on existing groups" lines in profiles will now not be ignored). tikiwiki: Allows setting of user tracker for registered, for instance.	[14:27]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27571 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] Profiles admin: Allow raw YAML to be used in the tester box (without the {CODE} tags). tikiwiki: Also remember input after form submission so it can be re-run.	[14:37]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Info: Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Releases 4.3 and 3.6 LTS - http://info.tikiwiki.org/article96-Tiki-Wiki-CMS-Groupware-Releases-4-3-and-3-6-LTS	[14:42]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27572 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_input.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX] Roll-back r27569 tikiwiki: Tracker item 'creator' and 'createdBy' are not the same thing always - thanks SylvieG	[15:00]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27573 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] $action is now expected to be an array, but used to be supplied as a string.	[15:16]
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CIA-62	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27574 10/third_party/jquery/ (10 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] More updates from jquery.sheet (still v1.1.0 RC 3 from SVN)	[15:51]
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