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[01:26] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27630 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [FIX] payment now has an icon
[01:34] <CIA-64> tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r27631 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [FIX] link to GUI for transitions. Xavi & Rick: try this :-)
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[07:51] <sudo^2> hey good people
[07:52] <sudo^2> what is the significance of option levels in tiki wiki
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[11:23] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27632 10/trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27604 to 27625
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[13:06] <Elvin> Newbie; Using Tiki 5; Applied Full Collaborative 5 Profile; Tweaking it; Question: How do you make SubAdmin group add/remove groups?
[13:07] <Elvin> Errh; Only need to AdminGroups... Not want to give tiki_p_admin, cos not want them to be able to modify site features, modules, etc.
[13:12] <chealer> Elvin: did you see the groups permissions?
[13:14] <Elvin> Explain: When I tried URL to /tiki-admingroups.php with test SubAdmin user; system returns prompt saying I need "tiki_p_admin".
[13:18] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27633 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-export_tracker.php): [ENH]tracker: possibility to export the attached files of items
[13:19] <Elvin> !help
[13:19] <Elvin> >help!
[13:19] <Sug4r> 'help' could be way of getting some useful (or not so useful but kind of funny) information from me. By me I mean Sug4r, the IRC bot. You can give me commands like >whatis foo to get some facts from my factoids database about foo , >list alias to get list of command aliases i understand, >help alias about to get some help about alias called about and its parameters or /msg Sug4r help someothercommand (1 more message)
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[13:33] <chealer> Elvin: sorry, you need tiki_p_admin to create groups
[13:34] <sylvieg> Elvin: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Permissions&structure=Documentation
[13:35] <sylvieg> btw I found the big circles very confusing... even wrong so far I understand it
[13:36] <Elvin> Thanks for sharing. Would future release, have the functionality to give group admin to subAdmins? Intention: Letting Users (specific) the possibility to manage group and manage sub-projects.
[13:36] <sylvieg> curretn version can do that already
[13:36] <Elvin> This a way, I retain the System level access, and the users (least the superuser level) will have the controls of their destiny... 
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[13:41] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27634 10/trunk/templates/tiki-export_tracker.tpl: [FIX]missing to 27633
[13:41] <ricks99> ping sylvieg
[13:41] <Elvin> <@sylvieg>: Thanks for sharing the document link. <chealer> just confirmed that SubAdmins does not have possibility by the current perms to only administer groups. As explained, when I try /tiki-admingroups.php, I get "you need tiki_p_admin". I've already got to the point where I can add remove users from groups; but still not admingroups. Thanks!!
[13:42] <ricks99> i made the 'circle' permission diagram. do u think it is wrong? how can i correct it?
[13:42] <ricks99> (it made sense to me... :-)
[13:42] <sylvieg> it is the label object that is confusing
[13:43] <sylvieg> because in fact there is 2 circles - one that is object (like lock...) and the other in local group object perm
[13:43] <ricks99> i was thinking that object=wiki page|file|etc.
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[13:44] <sylvieg> so what do you mean with object: check that the user is the rcreator and can edit?
[13:45] <sylvieg> in this case where do you set the group perms on the object
[13:45] <Elvin> Errh... <chealer> <@sylvieg> THANKS for sharing!!
[13:45] <ricks99> the graphic was simply meant to show the relationshp between the 3 types of permissions
[13:46] <sylvieg> I do not like the label 'object'
[13:46] <ricks99> from general to specific (group -> category -> object/item
[13:46] <ricks99> item?
[13:46] <ricks99> maybe Tiki feature?
[13:47] <sylvieg> I will split the object circle into 1 - local group object and object
[13:47] <ricks99> what is the difference? what is a "local group object"?
[13:47] <sylvieg> what is object?
[13:48] <ricks99> For me, an "object" is a particular "thing" that tiki can create: such as a wiki page, a file gallery, and so on.
[13:48] <sylvieg> because the perms at this level are also group perm
[13:48] <ricks99> you can then apply a object-specific perm
[13:49] <ricks99> right, but a wiki-page-specific perm will override the group perm
[13:49] <sylvieg> object-specific perm - are group perm + kunk like creator.. lock...
[13:49] <sylvieg> but wiki-page-specific perm is based on group no?
[13:49] <ricks99> i can apply a permission to a particular wiki page that will override the group perms
[13:49] <sylvieg> so why the group appears only on the outside circle?
[13:49] <ricks99> what do you call this perm that is applied to the particualr wiki page?
[13:50] <ricks99> why.... because group perms are the most general
[13:50] <sylvieg> local group perm to the object?
[13:50] <ricks99> i still dont understand what a "local group" is
[13:51] * ricks99 thought the image made sense when he drew it .... :(
[13:52] <sylvieg> it is confising for me - but I do not know .. perhaps I did not see tiki is the same way ... 
[13:52] <ricks99> how would u visually show the relationship between the different perms
[13:52] <ricks99> a "group" perm controls each wiki page (i.e., the object), but can be overridden on a page-by-page basis, right?
[13:52] <sylvieg> I will change the label object to show that the object perms are based also on group
[13:53] <sylvieg> becasue for me the label 'object' represented the perms like 'a creator cans change his page, a locker can cahge his page...)
[13:54] <sylvieg> a creator can modify his user item..
[13:54] <ricks99> maybe i misuderstand how perms work... on my tiki sites, i can control specific perms for a particular page
[13:55] <ricks99> if "Object" was "Wiki page" would it make sense to you?
[13:55] <sylvieg> I do not think you misunderstand - but the label is so confusing for me
[13:55] <sylvieg> it will be worst
[13:56] <sylvieg> because I will thought that 'wiki page' are perms like ' a creator can change his page'
[13:56] <sylvieg> so where will I find the perm 'this group can see this page'?
[13:57] <ricks99> i think you're taking the diagram too literrally
[13:58] <sylvieg> I do not like the label 'object' only
[13:58] <sylvieg> because I attach to object the junky perm like 'creator can modify his perm'
[13:58] <ricks99> what would you call the "things" that tiki creates (wiki pages, file galleries, image galleries, etc.)
[13:58] <sylvieg> and I do not think about 'object' as the local object perm that are based on group
[13:59] <sylvieg> object but a circle is missing
[13:59] <sylvieg> group(local) perhaps
[14:00] <sylvieg> but it is not important if I am teh only one to have problem with the terminology
[14:01] <ricks99> maybe, but ur an xpert and if an xpert doesnt understand, what hope is there for the rest of us? :-)
[14:01] <ricks99> so what do you generically call all the things that tiki can create? i call them "objects" but that may be wrong, apparently
[14:02] <sylvieg> btw the object settings (like creator can change the page) is the concept that ruins the filtering of perms ;-)
[14:02] <ricks99> the image arose from the need to better explain perms. many users didn't understand that you can override group perms on a per-category and/or per-page basis
[14:05] <sylvieg> "Object permissions: These permissions define the actions that user can take for an individual object. "
[14:06] <sylvieg> should also reference to group IMHO
[14:06] <sylvieg> otherwise - I think only about the 'creator can modify his page"
[14:11] <ricks99> how would you refer to the perms that I can set on a particular wiki page? in the UI, i think we call the Object Perms?
[14:11] <sylvieg> Group object perms
[14:11] <sylvieg> perhaps?
[14:11] <ricks99> The UI says "assign permissions to this Object"
[14:12] <ricks99> thats why i made the center circle "object"
[14:12] <sylvieg> so perhaps the external circle must be only Global
[14:12] <ricks99> Yes, global perms are applied at to the Group
[14:12] <ricks99> Global perms == Group perms
[14:13] <ricks99> Maybe "direct object perms" for the center? does that make more sense?
[14:13] <ricks99> that's what it is called in the UI
[14:13] <ricks99> "No direct perms yet applied to this object"
[14:14] * ricks99 needs more coffee, obviously
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[14:15] <sylvieg> in the page - you see that it is based on group
[14:16] <ricks99> "direct" perms are for the particular page (aka "object")
[14:16] <matteo_servas_it> i have problem whith trakers and file uplod how can help me?
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[14:19] <matteo_servas_it> I have problem whith firefox 
[14:19] <matteo_servas_it> I have problem see titki wiki pages using firefox
[14:20] <matteo_servas_it> everibody is sleeping?
[14:20] <sylvieg> no but your question is so vague - it is hard to answer
[14:21] <matteo_servas_it> I have 3 question 
[14:21] <matteo_servas_it> I use tikiwiki for www.servas.it
[14:22] <matteo_servas_it> I can't see tikiwiki 5.0 using firefox 
[14:22] <matteo_servas_it> using linux
[14:23] <sylvieg> I see your homepage with firefox
[14:23] <matteo_servas_it> why
[14:23] <matteo_servas_it> I can't
[14:23] <sylvieg> which FF?
[14:24] <changi> matteo_servas_it: me too.
[14:24] <matteo_servas_it> I use ubuntu
[14:24] <sylvieg> check you have teh latest firefox
[14:25] <matteo_servas_it> yes I updatre ubuntu every week
[14:25] <matteo_servas_it> 2 dquestion is 
[14:26] <matteo_servas_it> I made some traker for manage users address and billing 
[14:27] <matteo_servas_it> I create one family tracher and one for users one for address one for billing 
[14:29] <matteo_servas_it> if i use more than one item list don't work
[14:30] <matteo_servas_it> Do you use linux/firefox or windows/firefox ?
[14:30] <sylvieg> how many tracker did you create?
[14:30] <matteo_servas_it> i created 4 trakers
[14:30] <sylvieg> fedora/FF
[14:31] <sylvieg> and and 2 items in one of the tracker?
[14:31] <sylvieg> and you add- sorry
[14:31] <matteo_servas_it> Yes 3 items 
[14:32] <sylvieg> and when you list the tracker, you see only one item?
[14:32] <sylvieg> check if you tracker has not the option - only one item per user checked
[14:33] <sylvieg> or check that your pagination is correctly set in admin->look
[14:33] <matteo_servas_it> ok i check
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[14:36] <matteo_servas_it> no i don't find 
[14:38] <matteo_servas_it> can i post my traker fields?
[14:39] <sylvieg> it is probably nothing to do with the fileds of each tracker
[15:13] <ricks99> UTF/encoding issues with info.tw.o: see http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-calendar_edit_item.php?viewcalitemId=14
[15:34] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27635 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-objectpermissions.tpl: [FIX] Object perms: keep referrer value in groups and features forms
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[15:49] <nkoth> Anyone here uses infinite carousel?
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[16:27] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27636 10/branches/5.x/lib/setup/sections.php: 
[16:27] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [FIX] Upload file: galleryId gets set to an array in upload files and this was dying in filegal manager due to freetagslib->get_similar returning an array for current object (on some slightly out of date servers)
[16:27] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: Not fixed for itemkey case as it doesn't seem to be needed.
[16:31] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03chealer * r27637 10/third_party/ckeditor/ (99 files in 25 dirs): 
[16:31] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: update ckeditor from 3.2.1 to 3.3.1
[16:31] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: remove stylescombo, removed in 3.2.1
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[16:59] <amette> "Yes, Tiki does that" - that's an awesome slogan! :D
[17:00] * amette just stumbled upon it on info.tw.o
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[17:09] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27638 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin.tpl: [FIX]socialnetworks: to be able to see the admin page
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[17:21] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27639 10/trunk/lib/ (setup/prefs.php socialnetworkslib.php): notice
[17:24] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27640 10/branches/5.x/tiki-admin_categories.php: 
[17:24] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [ENH] Admin categories: Don't show categorised pages in the "add to cat" section as they're already added.
[17:24] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: TODO refactor to do same for all object types
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[17:35] <MacLeod> I'm getting ROI questions again about our wiki hosting costs.
[17:36] <MacLeod> Is there a way to find out how often each user accesses a Tiki site?
[17:40] <ricks99> TIki log or Action log
[17:42] <MacLeod> hmmm
[17:43] <MacLeod> Not sure how to parse the Tiki log.
[17:43] <MacLeod> I've got a good histogram of "Days Since Last Login" from the user registry.
[17:43] <MacLeod> That didn't take too much manipulation.
[17:44] <ricks99> can use action log. Filter on the specified user
[17:45] <ricks99> or just use tiki log. it has the LOGIN even t for each user
[17:45] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r27641 10/version-control-bridge/tikipush.php: [MOD] Adding identification of reported bugs
[17:46] <MacLeod> Don't see how to export the Tiki logs.
[17:46] <MacLeod> I'm not trying to look at a specific user, but rather to quantify activity across the user base.
[17:53] <MacLeod> We're still using v3.1.  Aren't Action Logs a 4.x feature?
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[17:58] <ricks99> you can export directly from the database
[17:58] <sylvieg> MacLeod: why not using something like google analytics?
[17:59] <ricks99> ...or as sylvieg says, use a real analytics program
[18:03] <lmnt> still having a problem with the code plugin
[18:04] <lmnt> i created a fresh install, fresh database, of tiki-5, added some code sections to the first screen and same problem, it doesnt seem to close the code box correctly
[18:05] <lmnt> This: {CODE()}TEST{CODE}
[18:05] <ricks99> are you using this on a wiki page?
[18:06] <ricks99> using Wiki editor or WYSIWYG
[18:06] <lmnt> yes on a wiki page
[18:06] <lmnt> using wiki editor - its the default on a new install
[18:06] <ricks99> are you using the Plugin helper, or coding it by hand?
[18:07] <ricks99> the CODE plugin works fine on all of my 5.0 sites
[18:07] <lmnt> im thinking its either some PHP setting or MYSQL setting?
[18:07] <lmnt> since it is still happening on a completely fresh install
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[18:08] <lmnt> I get a "p~" after the edit plugin graphic
[18:09] <lmnt> mysql version: 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1
[18:09] <ricks99> Did u install via FTP or Fantasico
[18:09] <ricks99> if FTP are u 100% sure that all the files transferred properly?
[18:09] <lmnt> no i installed from the command line
[18:12] <ricks99> no sure. i have never seen p~ after the edit plugin graphic
[18:13] <ricks99> do u have a URL i can see?
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[18:13] <sylvieg> is php.5.0 enough?
[18:14] <sylvieg> the p~ is probably a result of ~np~
[18:14] <lmnt> i dont have an external url, its all internal
[18:15] <ricks99> Min requirement is php 5.0, recommended is 5.2.1+
[18:16] <ricks99> @lmnt: go to your database and manually edit the page (it is in the tiki_pages table. Add/confirm that the syntax is correct for the code plugin
[18:16] <ricks99> {CODE()}foo{CODE}
[18:17] <MacLeod> sylvieg:  have never used google analytics.  seem to recall reading something about it a while ago.  will check it out, thx.
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[18:17] <chealer> sylvieg: yes, as ricks99 says
[18:18] <chealer> proposing to bump the requirement to 5.1 is on my agenda since several months though
[18:18] <lmnt> php version: PHP Version 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.3
[18:19] <sylvieg> oops sorry 5.0 was the mysal version
[18:19] <lmnt> in the database it is correct
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[18:20] <chealer> shit, doc.tw.o seems to have encoding issues too
[18:21] <ricks99> as does info.tw.o
[18:24] <chealer> I added that Tiki 6 will require PHP 5.1.
[18:25] <lmnt> if i remove the edit plugin icon option, the "p~" goes away and it looks normal
[18:26] <lmnt> then if i add an additional CODE section, I get a "E}" at the end of the second one
[18:27] <lmnt> if i add a third CODE section i get a "ODE}" at the end
[18:27] <lmnt> also happens in preview
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[18:30] <ricks99> Not sure. I cannot reproduce.Did the installer report and sql errors?
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[18:44] <sylvieg> lmnt: do you use special chars between the code tag
[18:44] <sylvieg> or before - like accent...
[18:45] <sylvieg> I remeber that there is a setting in the server that needs not to be to have strlen, mb_strlen working properly
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[18:51] <lmnt> no special characters, no errors on the install
[18:51] <lmnt> same thing with IE or firefox
[18:52] <lmnt> write now i am just using: {CODE()}Testing{CODE}
[18:53] <lmnt> ive tried a lot of different things - its got to be some kind of server setting or php setting no?
[18:54] <sylvieg> did you try with another charset in db/local.php
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[18:55] <sylvieg> doc.tw is down
[18:55] <lmnt> right now its set at utf8
[18:56] <changi> sylvieg: on it
[18:56] <changi> tracker are not my friend this week
[18:56] <sylvieg> in db/local.php try to put this line into comment
[18:56] <sylvieg> changi: thx
[19:02] <lmnt> still same thing
[19:05] <sylvieg> and #client_charset='latin1';
[19:06] <sylvieg> sorry $client..
[19:06] <sylvieg> another one to try is $api_tiki='adodb';
[19:07] <sylvieg> after I am out of ideas...
[19:07] <sylvieg> but I am pretty sure it is something with encoding ...
[19:08] <sylvieg> when doc.tw  will be back I can find the setting that tiki doesnt like 
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[19:13] <lmnt> do i need to restart apache after those changes or just refresh the page?
[19:13] <sylvieg> no
[19:13] <sylvieg> refresh teh page
[19:14] <lmnt> ok latin1 didnt work
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[19:15] <lmnt> and the adodb didnt work either - the setting thing sounds interesting
[19:21] <sylvieg> if you acn come back to the default db/local.php
[19:23] <changi> back
[19:25] <sylvieg> thx changi
[19:25] <sylvieg> lmnt: my last clue is to see on your server if you overloaded mb_string
[19:26] <sylvieg> mbstring.func_overload = 7 will not work very weel with tiki - it must be mbstring.func_overload = 0
[19:29] <lmnt> where is that setting?
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[19:42] <lmnt> FIXED!
[19:43] <lmnt> changed mbstring.func_overload = 2 to mbstring.func_overload = 0 and all is well
[19:43] <sylvieg> Ahah...
[19:43] <lmnt> your help is much appreciated
[19:43] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27642 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_datachannel.php: typo
[19:43] <lmnt> how on earth would i have ever figured that out?? lol
[19:43] <sylvieg> I thought it was only when using special char...
[19:44] <sylvieg> I took me 2 full days to figure this out
[19:44] <lmnt> thanks so much
[19:44] <sylvieg> tiki coding is not clean - but it needs time to fix that..
[19:45] <sylvieg> the plugin uses mb functions and non mb functions together - not good
[19:45] <lmnt> i think its a great product, even with the code thing, but now its even better lol
[19:46] <sylvieg> the problem was for any plugin not only CODE
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[19:54] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27643 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-export_tracker.php): [FIX]tracker export: the function addEmptyDir does not exist on Debian Etch
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[20:33] <Gergely> Hi, a few weeks back I asked how the "Show user's real name instead of login (when possible)" works. I learned then that there is a user preference "realname," which may be added to a user tracker. So I added such a field. However, it still does not work. Any idea how to set it up?
[20:33] <sylvieg> How do I load a custom jquery  in tiki?
[20:34] <sylvieg> Gergely: perhaps it does not work in all the palces
[20:35] <sylvieg> does it work in the login box for instance?
[20:35] <Gergely> No, I did not see it working in any of the places.
[20:35] <sylvieg> do you clear the cache?
[20:35] <Gergely> No, I shall do it now
[20:41] <Gergely> great, it almost works..
[20:42] <Gergely> for the sysadm it works. I just cannot fill in the realname tracker item field for anybody else. so it is empty. therefore it is not replaced, I guess
[20:42] <Gergely> should not it replaced even then?
[20:43] <sylvieg> it shopuld not be empty - you should have the user login at least
[20:45] <Gergely> how can I fill it in? it is not to edit in the admin interface, neither in the tracker plugin
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[20:48] <sylvieg> what do you mean fill the real name for each user?
[20:50] <Gergely> where is that info stored? what I did is that I created a user pref field in a user tracker with param "realname"
[20:51] <Gergely> ... this is how I understood this should happen
[20:52] <sylvieg> you can at least as an admin modify the real name in user prefs from tiki-adminusers.php
[20:52] <sylvieg> for the traker field - I never tested
[20:53] <Gergely> do you mean "edit user: .. " tab?
[20:54] <Gergely> there is only e-mail, passwd, repeat passwd, and a button that send to the user tracker
[20:56] <Gergely> I see where the user preferences are. a tiny button
[20:57] <Gergely> it only has "new password" and "confirm new passwd"
[20:59] <Gergely> even the admin user does not have any input box to show his real name: "System Administrator"
[21:01] <Gergely> found under myinfo there. not editable
[21:01] <sylvieg> User Preferences Screen try to check this option
[21:10] <Gergely> sylvieg: thank you. also checked where it works: unfortunately, in 2 of the 3 places I use it does not: trackerlist, pretty tracker, while for the tracker commments it does. I will update the documentation. 
[21:11] <Gergely> I would give it a try to get it work for those 2. If I did so, where could I submit?
[21:13] <Gergely> oh, doc.tikiwiki.org is down
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[23:02] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r27644 10/branches/5.x/tiki-browse_categories.php: [FIX] Do not show watch icons if feature is off or not logged in
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