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[01:16] <jcyrisse> evening all!
[01:18] <jcyrisse> i have a little annoyance that I cant figure out. regards menus. I have a menu which works fine with exception that just one title heading isnt showing up under Tikinewt theme. Shows up on others. So...cant figure this out. 
[01:20] <jcyrisse> And get an "unknown toolbar TOC" message
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[06:29] <Ma> anyone up ? :D
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[08:09] <changi> Ma : yes
[08:27] <Ma> ca
[08:27] <Ma> changi: is there any changes to db from beta1 to release?
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[09:13] <Beestje> hello all!
[09:13] <Beestje> themes.tikiwiki.org seems to be down?
[09:25] <changi> Beestje: or not
[09:25] <changi> :)
[09:25] <changi> Ma: don't think so
[09:44] <mlaporte> changi : polom
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[09:56] <jonnyb> polom!
[09:58] <mlaporte> changi : how do you love utf-8?
[10:14] * jonnyb shudders at the mention of utf-8
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[10:31] <Andurino> hello , hola?
[10:32] <jonnyb> hi Andurino 
[10:33] <Andurino> i can ask?
[10:34] <Andurino> my enghish is very bad i use google tranlation for comunicate in enghish
[10:34] <jonnyb> go for it! :)
[10:35] <Andurino> I see tikiwiki applications. and there are some aspects that I fail to understand
[10:36] <Andurino> the project to edit video and voice communication with both the know using applications installed on your computer but do not know how to operate the system tikiwiki
[10:37] <jonnyb> tiki is installed on a web server - only the browser is on your computer
[10:39] <Andurino> yes , i have ubuntu sytem + lamp (apache+ php + mysql) + tikiwifiles and firefox navigator ok?
[10:39] <jonnyb> sounds like a good start
[10:40] <jonnyb> kaltura (the video part) runs on kaltura's servers - you need to set up an account
[10:40] <jonnyb> they do free trials (10GB limit)
[10:41] <Andurino> this project I insteresa much as it is the closest thing to what we were looking for the association to which I belong. members of this association are people with serious mobility problems, paraplegic
[10:43] <Andurino> we need an integrated system of a single access, and to work cooperatively
[10:43] <jonnyb> welcome to tiki! :D
[10:44] <jonnyb> where are you?
[10:44] <Andurino> about what the video, if only we allow limited access is not a good solution because then stay as we are, no solutions
[10:45] <Andurino> spain i am spanish, sorry for my loower resporter 
[10:46] <jonnyb> i don't understand - free kaltura account is limited, you need to pay them for more bandwidth & storage
[10:46] <Andurino> excuse me physically I'm slow and I have to translate
[10:46] <jonnyb> or set up your own kaltura server (we haven't worked out how to do that yet)
[10:46] <jonnyb> we have tiki friends in Madrid and Barcelona
[10:46] <Andurino> yes you say, "you need to pay" itś a problem
[10:47] <jonnyb> i understand that! ;)
[10:47] <Andurino> Being disabled people are not ordinary income
[10:48] <jonnyb> check out http://www.kaltura.org/
[10:48] <Andurino> i see it in other time
[10:48] <jonnyb> http://www.kaltura.org/project/community_edition_video_platform is how to set up your own video server
[10:49] <Andurino> i The video is interesting but not a priority option, it would be an option for medical courses. I am interested but the communication is a priority especially if voice
[10:50] <Andurino> Think you understand sencilo is more talk than to write at least in our conditions
[10:51] <Andurino> I think you understand that it's easier to talk than to write at least in our conditions
[10:52] <Andurino> now use application for voice type teamspeak , other googletalk, skipe and other only runing good for 1 o 2 user , 
[10:53] <Andurino> teamspeak, ventrilo are similar voice- ip for groups
[10:54] <Andurino> I appreciate your interest and your help, I hope you understood me half and I apologize for it
[10:55] <jonnyb> oh ok, sorry - i misunderstood - you probably will be more interested in the big blue button integration, yes?
[10:55] <jonnyb> http://doc.tikiwiki.org/BigBlueButton
[10:56] <jonnyb> voice/video chat - screen sharing, presentations etc
[10:56] <jonnyb> it's good! (and free)
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[10:57] <Andurino> i see this option
[10:57] <Andurino> thank
[10:59] <Andurino> but this option is include in tikiwiki or it is separate, the posilibity wiki documents forums and webmail are requeried also
[10:59] <jonnyb> it's all included together
[11:00] <jonnyb> (although for bbb you need to install their server stuff - looks easy on ubuntu)
[11:01] <Andurino> Can you help me to configure this in the near future?
[11:02] <Andurino> or get in touch with someone who could help?
[11:03] <jonnyb> i haven't done it yet - but there a probably people here that will be able to help (they're just hiding!)
[11:03] <Andurino> I remember you had known that referred to Spanish-speaking yours. How can I can contact?
[11:04] <jonnyb> he's here sometimes - look out for Xavi
[11:05] <jonnyb> not sure if the Madrid people are still around
[11:06] <Andurino> hour or day on which you can locate xavi?
[11:06] <Andurino> now here it 13:06 
[11:08] <jonnyb> probably evening
[11:09] <Andurino> thank you very much for your attention, attempts to enter the room several hours.
[11:10] <jonnyb> es un placer para hacer nuevos amigos (also thanks to google translate)
[11:11] <Andurino> now I have to be away, a ton of thanks for all
[11:11] <Andurino> greetings to all
[11:12] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27645 10/third_party/jquery/jquery.sheet/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] More minor updates to jquery.sheet (1.1 RC3)
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[11:22] <yonixxx> hi all
[11:23] <ricks99> hi yonixxx
[11:23] <yonixxx> how are you doing ?
[11:24] <ricks99> drinking cup of coffee #2... so still starting the day
[11:30] <yonixxx> :) i just have a quick lunch... but i should get out ealier (i received new drums part to install into my set...  :) )
[11:31] <jonnyb> hi all - you a drummer yonixxx? (i used to be one too - long time ago)
[11:31] <ricks99> cool. my son plays drums (and guitar, and keyboard, and sings...)
[11:31] <jonnyb> hi ricks99 too
[11:31] <jonnyb> "let's start a band!"
[11:31] <jonnyb> and rehearse on bbb
[11:32] <yonixxx> Well... after 30 years playing guitars, bass keyboard i discover drums 2 years ago... i play at least 2h a day... I LOOOOVE it !
[11:32] <jonnyb> nice
[11:32] <yonixxx> 9even if it is a 2in the morning !!! Electronic Vdrums
[11:32] <jonnyb> i don't have a drum kit now, play bongos etc sometimes
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[11:33] * ricks99 thinks his bass is in the attic.... somewhere...
[11:33] <yonixxx> i heard about virtual band and concert... why not ! :) bigbluebutton feature ? :D
[11:33] <ricks99> lol
[11:34] <yonixxx> well i talk a lot and hardly do things... :( i have a musical project in mind since 2 month and i hope this time i'll do it !
[11:38] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27646 10/branches/5.x/lib/: 
[11:38] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [MOD] Update jquery external lib to r27645
[11:38] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: Will break Spreadsheets until fixes from trunk are backported (coming soon)
[11:41] <mlaporte> I am sure yonixxx's neighbors love it too...
[12:03] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27647 10/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27625 to 27646
[12:13] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27648 10/branches/5.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: 
[12:13] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [bp/r27358 partial][FIX] Javascript coding style issue reported by quality.tikiwiki.org
[12:13] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: (tiki-jquery.js only)
[12:18] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27649 10/branches/5.x/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: [FIX]login: when redirection for anonymous on perm denied, come back to the page the user gets the error after login
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[12:27] <RavenC> hello everyone
[12:32] <ricks99> hi RavenC
[12:33] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27650 10/branches/5.x/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 
[12:33] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [bp/r27577,r27576,r27337][ENH] Sheet: Updated toolbars (including fullscreen!)
[12:33] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: & [FIX] Sheets: Fixes for recent updates in jquery.sheet plugin
[12:33] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: & [MOD] Updates to Tiki Sheets for jquery.sheet 1.1
[12:36] <yonixxx> Hey Marc :) well the first room ready in my half builded house was my future studio where i have put drums, guitars, keyboards, etc. Under the parking, no windows, 22cm walls. So far nobody complained :D
[12:56] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27651 10/branches/5.x/installer/tiki-installer.php: 
[12:56] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [MOD] Add comments to local.php regarding client_charset setting.
[12:56] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: Please change message if you can think of better wording.
[13:07] <mlaporte> jonnyb: I suggest to also put a note in tiki-admin.php
[13:08] <jonnyb> hi mlaporte - sounds like a good idea - but it would be better if it didn't get it wrong so much ;)
[13:09] <jonnyb> seems it's getting the global charset, not the specific db one (for me here)
[13:25] <RavenC> ok, a question from another galaxy, far far away....    Has anyone attempted using adobe (or anyone elses) Electronic signatures within TW ?
[13:26] * RavenC hopes nobody chokes from laughing so hard
[13:26] <mlaporte> RavenC : can you describe use case?
[13:28] <RavenC> need to be able to e-sign pages/forms.
[13:29] <RavenC> I thought the inherent perms with login would suffice, but oh no...  has to include a "legal" e-sg as well
[13:30] <RavenC> say for instance, a wiki page must be read.  Proof would be the e-sig of the user that has read it.
[13:30] <mlaporte> is there an open standard for this?
[13:31] <RavenC> i have no idea.  I have only used Adobe's e-sig's up to this point.  I know it has integration with other apps, but just kind of taking a shot in the dark
[13:31] <RavenC> Our dev team is creating an alternative, and hopefully I can use the DB calls to SQL to use it
[13:32] <RavenC> just thought I would ask before getting overly involved, in the event someone had done this before
[13:34] * RavenC is too tired and lazy to re-invent the wheel
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[13:46] <ricks99> @RavenC: u can use the Action Log to determine if a user has accessed a specific page.
[13:46] <ricks99> then maybe add a tracker with a checkbox "I agree" or something
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[14:04] <RavenC> ricks, thanks.  That is the approach I was going with.  :)
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[14:33] <ricks99> is there a 5.x/proposals? or is it ok to continue to commit to 5.x directly?
[14:34] <jonnyb> ricks99: still committing to branches/5.x direct (carefully!)
[14:35] <ricks99> tx jonnyb
[14:49] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27652 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_code.php: notice
[14:55] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27653 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [ENH]MEDIAPLAYER: support more format by using jquery media: todo(clean the mp3/flv option to use jq + have jq use all the option
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[15:04] <Louis-martin> sylvieg : jquery media? so the multimedia player itself have been replaced?
[15:05] <sylvieg> no but you can put now in MEDIAPLAYER(src=xxx) where xx is not flv or mp3
[15:06] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27654 10/trunk/tiki-setup.php: missing 27653
[15:08] <Louis-martin> ok i understand...more versatile
[15:08] <sylvieg> but one day I will have to replace the code for flv and mp3 with the jq - because it uses swfobject...
[15:09] <sylvieg> but I need luciash help for this - not sure I understand the params he added
[15:12] <Louis-martin> maybe you could help me on something ... i'd had a tpl wiki page to show my trackers and in this page ive made alse a tracker list to show the relation ..Its working very well in the wiki page itself ..but its show on /tiki-view_tracker_item.php (because i use the tpl to show the trackers) it dosent show the trackerlist...
[15:12] <mlaporte> changi : accent prob here: http://info.tikiwiki.org/Consultants
[15:13] <Louis-martin> here the page if you want to see : http://maletdiction.com/portalmele/tiki-index.php?page=Louest%20Terne%20GLS001 ...just have to click on the album item to see :P
[15:13] <sylvieg> if it is a plugin in a pretty tracker template - look in the doc the trick
[15:39] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27655 10/trunk/ (. installer/tiki-installer.php lib/tikiaccesslib.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/5.x 27646 to 27651
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[16:12] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r27656 10/trunk/tiki-setup_base.php: [MOD] using Zend_Session::start() instead of PHP session_start() (required by zend captcha classes, next commit)
[16:23] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r27657 10/trunk/ (22 files in 7 dirs): [NEW] replacing old Tiki captcha with Zend_Captcha_Image (support for Zend_Captcha_ReCaptcha not finished yet)
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[16:52] <Kimberlee> hello all.
[17:03] <jonnyb> hi Kimberlee 
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[17:21] <Paragtim> Hi All - Long time - No Problems :)
[17:22] <Paragtim> Can some one help me with the following error message: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting '{' in /home/sites/ryans-place.co.uk/public_html/tiki-5/tiki-install.php  on line 45
[17:22] <Paragtim> Looking to do a clean install of v5.0
[17:23] <Paragtim> Sorry error is line 48
[17:36] <chealer> hi Paragtim
[17:36] <Paragtim> Hi
[17:37] <chealer> Paragtim: hum, that rings a bell. where do you live?
[17:38] <Paragtim> UK - Was here for quite a while 18 months ago :)
[17:39] <chealer> Paragtim: which PHP version do you use?
[17:39] <Paragtim>  V5
[17:39] <chealer> Paragtim: hum, which one exactly?
[17:41] <Paragtim> Just looking -  5.2.12
[17:42] <chealer> Paragtim: that's a quite surprising error. from which package did you install Tiki?
[17:43] <Paragtim> tiki-5.0
[17:43] <chealer> Paragtim: which file did you download exactly?
[17:44] <Paragtim> pulled from this link - http://info.tikiwiki.org/Download
[17:44] <Paragtim> Stable version 5.0
[17:45] <chealer> Paragtim: that URL leads you to several files, which one did you choose?
[17:47] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27658 10/branches/5.x/lib/ (jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js toolbars/toolbarslib.php): 
[17:47] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [MOD] Refactor JS code from toolbarslib.php into tiki-jquery.js
[17:47] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: [FIX] Some selection saving fixes for firefox
[17:48] <chealer> who can touch the sourceforge files? actually, can any developer do it?
[17:48] <Paragtim> Pulled it from the green button - "/Tiki 5.x -Vulpeculae-/Tikii5 .zip released 2010-08-08"
[17:48] <Paragtim> sorry 2010-08-06
[17:51] <chealer> Paragtim: are you sure this is PHP 5?
[17:52] <Paragtim> Grabbed from the ISP - PHP5 is already set to the default installation. You can click the button below to switch back to PHP4.
[17:53] <Paragtim> I switch it and try again if you like (to 4 - then back to 5)
[17:53] <chealer> Paragtim: I'm guessing the ISP has issues. you can try reproducing in a standard environment or try bumping http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=35646
[17:55] <Paragtim> Ok - Thanks for the tips.  I'll reset the server phpversion and try again in about an hour.  I'll feed it back no matter what happens :)
[17:57] <nkoth> Anyone attempted to get rid of those <br /> added at the end of wiki plugins?
[18:00] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27659 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-wiki_structure_bar.tpl: [FIX]page name: to have the structure breadcrum also stripping the name of the pages
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[18:04] <jonnyb> hi nkoth - i've looked a few times - thought i'd fixed it once
[18:04] <jonnyb> it's probably connected with the wiki paragraph formatting etc prefs
[18:04] <nkoth> jonnyb: what's the approach?
[18:05] <nkoth> wel, i have wiki para formatting off
[18:05] <jonnyb> it doesn't do it with that on afaik
[18:05] <jonnyb> would be good to stop it entirely - but it's in parse_data (or near it) so extra scary
[18:06] <nkoth> I'm getting it even through the wikiplugin smarty tag
[18:06] <nkoth> so I think it's plugin_execute that does some parsing inside and somehow adds it at the end
[18:09] <sylvieg> nkoth: 
[18:09] <sylvieg> I have a working solution in trunk
[18:09] <nkoth> sylvieg: ok i look at trunk...
[18:10] <sylvieg> commit 27355
[18:11] <sylvieg> and you need to have that too
[18:11] <sylvieg> update tiki_preferences set value='n' where name='feature_wiki_paragraph_formatting' or name='feature_wiki_paragraph_formatting_add_br';
[18:11] <sylvieg> the cnrs with their 20 tiki is happy with that
[18:11] <sylvieg> I will be glad if more testers
[18:15] <sylvieg> I am ready to backport - even if change in the db .. I am not sure a lot of people use the wiki formatting
[18:21] <nkoth> it doesn't really work for me,..
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[18:22] <sylvieg> ah... wiki plugins I did not read enough precisely the question
[18:23] <sylvieg> my fix is for wysiwyg/tiki editor <br> problem
[18:25] <nkoth> right, it's a little more complicated with wikiplugins, but I think the fix idea is good
[18:25] <nkoth> probaly need more flag to not add that <br when parsing wiki plugin or something like that
[18:26] <sylvieg> more flag - humm - I think that you never need <br> after wikiparsing
[18:27] * sylvieg still does not understand the 2 params in wiki paragraph formatting
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[18:39] <nkoth> I'll figure it out sometime . it is giving me a headache right now - not able to process
[18:46] <sylvieg> how do we use the jq spreadsheet in trunk?
[18:46] <sylvieg> with pluginsheet?
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[20:23] <timotiCK> PHP (5.3.2) ERROR (E_WARNING):
[20:23] <timotiCK> File:  lib/pear/Date/TimeZone.php
[20:23] <timotiCK> Line: 7226
[20:23] <timotiCK> Type:  date() [function.date]:  It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are  *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the  date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those  methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely  misspelled the timezone identifier. We selected 'Pacific/Rarotonga' for  'CKT/-10.0/no DST' instead
[20:30] <sylvieg> timotiCK: tiki5?
[20:30] <sylvieg> I thought jonny fixed it
[20:43] <timotiCK> sorry, tiki3.6
[20:44] <timotiCK> I'm configuring tikiwiki on a Virtual Server at my local ISP
[20:45] <timotiCK> website is at mapserver.mow.gov.ck
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[21:19] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27660 10/branches/5.x/templates/tiki-wiki_structure_bar.tpl: typo
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[21:48] <CIA-13> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r27661 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH]perm: button to select the group that have a perm on an object - otherwise you never know if you have selected in the view tab the groups that have something to do with teh object
[21:49] <timotiCK> sylvieg: ??
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[21:53] <xavi> polom
[21:53] <xavi> any master of importing & exporting tracker items?
[21:53] <xavi> sylvieg ?
[21:54] <xavi> I'm attempting to  import every now and then the same data set (hundreds of items graded from my students), using tiki 4.2, but...
[21:54] <xavi> ...but it seems that the 363 items don't keep same id's when importing them again to the same tracker....
[21:55] <sylvieg> timotiCK: it is fixed in 5 .. but I do not know th ecomit jonny did it
[21:55] <sylvieg> butit is a warning..
[21:55] <xavi> I recall that in tiki 3.x, the same id was kept...
[21:55] <sylvieg> xavi?
[21:55] <xavi> hi sylvieg
[21:55] <sylvieg> you need to export itemId
[21:55] <xavi> any idea about how to keep tracker item id's when importing them?
[21:55] <xavi> I do have item id exported all the time
[21:56] <xavi> like I did in 3.x
[21:56] <sylvieg> broken - perhaps
[21:56] <xavi> ok. 
[21:56] <xavi> thanks, at least I know
[21:56] <xavi> I was not sure
[21:57] <xavi> fair enough (I need to finish soon, so I don't mind go increasing id number each time...). At least, exporting and importing work well! :-)
[21:57] <xavi> very well, in fact :-)
[21:57] <xavi> back to grading. Cheers, and thanks for feedback
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[22:08] <mlaporte> sylvieg or jonny : where is it documented how to merge from 5.x to trunk?
[22:08] <mlaporte> this one? http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/doc/devtools/svnmerge.php?view=markup
[22:08] <sylvieg> svntips on dev
[22:09] <sylvieg> at teh bottom
[22:09] <mlaporte> tks
[22:13] * sylvieg is suspecting lph+marc are doing QT job easy...
[22:13] <sylvieg> because right now it is painful
[22:16] <timotiCK> sylvieg: Ok, I install 5.0
[22:23] <mlaporte> sylvieg : yes, I am concerned about QT burnour
[22:23] <mlaporte> burnout
[22:25] <mlaporte> This is the goal: http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Code+Review
[22:25] <mlaporte> It also fits in with Galaxia Workflow replacement
[22:29] <mlaporte> We could be more selective for code review. Ex.: css stuff must be reviewed by group X, but trackers by group Y
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