#tikiwiki 2010-07-02,Fri

ricks99

A.3: tiki forum has been *VERY* flaky past several weeks

chibaguy

several weeks only? ;-)

ricks99

lol
ricks99 hopes chibaguy will support his effort to re-vamp the entire tiki forums

chibaguy

I've been looking at the docs a bit more lately and it's amazing how fast they go out of date.
yeah, about the forums, whatever will improve things, I'm all for.

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ricks99

re docs: more than just out of date. i find the structure and organization quite unusable.
need really 2 types of "docs": what vs. how

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jonnyb

hi ricks99 & chibaguy

[11:54]

chibaguy

hi jonnyb

Re version differences in docs, I kinda like how tabs work for this here: http://themes.tikiwiki.org/Infinite_carousel

I guess as long as pages like this can print in a no-tabs view.

[11:54]

jonnyb

i must agree about us coders avoiding the forums - i end up debugging and wanting to revamp them each time i go in and forget what i was there for

[11:55]

ricks99

@jonnyb wanted to talk to u about ajax & accessbility issues

[11:56]

chibaguy

yeah, it tends to be a time sink.

[11:56]

ricks99

any way to notify screen readers of ajax updates?
using ajax causes a failrure of all web accessbility standards :(

[11:56]

chibaguy

ricks99, do you find any info on that on ajax or jquery sites?

jonnyb

good point ricks99 - short answer: don't know

chibaguy

seems like it'd be a major issue.

jonnyb

there must be a way

ricks99

one more item to add to the list

jonnyb

presumably they operate with javascript_enabled off?
in which case it should degrade ok (gracefully would be nice)

ricks99

js can b accessible
thats what <snoscript> is for

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chibaguy

ricks99, by ajax, do you mean asynchronous updates in th page?

[11:58]

robertp

Anyone here good with math?

[11:59]

ricks99

y. screen readers do not get notification that content area has changed
back to docs, tabbing works great, but no way to print structure + specific version. (i found that issue with smarties)
@jonnyb: as end-user, if i have js *on*, can I "opt out" of ajax?

[11:59]

jonnyb

not currently afaik, ricks99

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chibaguy

ricks99, well, can we print docs for a specific version now? only if it's on it's own page?
heh, robert, I guess not. ;-)

[12:01]

ricks99

1 page at a time by adding &tab=foo

[12:02]

chibaguy

ah, ok

[12:02]

ricks99

but, clicking print button does *not* automatially add it
(i logged a bug a while ago... was going to try to fix myself...)

[12:03]

jonnyb

robertp: (following chat elsewhere) - looks like you need someone with financial maths ability. Not really my department ;)

[12:05]

robertp

Thanks jonnyb
Ok guys, I'm looking to put net present value into jquery.sheet, and need some math help.
this is the main equasion that I've created that doesn't work all the way: result += values[i] / Math.pow((rate / 100) + 1, i);

[12:05]

jonnyb

although from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_present_value it looks like you have your array index mixed up with the "t" variable (where is "t"?)

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robertp

t is time
I was figuring each value would be an increment in time
I believe that is how it works in excel

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jonnyb

beyond me i'm afraid

[12:08]

luciash

ricks99: cookietab=2 should work
ricks99: it stores in cookie, so in print page it should stay on the same tab
but you'd need to keep the same tabs and order for all versions of course

[12:18]

ricks99

right.

robertp

Jonny
jonnyb
sory

jonnyb

here :)

ricks99

would b fantastic to have some sort of ui on the print multi pages to select a version

robertp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_present_value what is Rt
the t is to the bottom of R
what does that mean?
I know when it's at the top it an exponent to the power of
but when at the bottom, I don't know

jonnyb

is it not multiply?

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robertp

I don't know.

jonnyb

ah, no (it's been a while...) - i think it is the index (i.e. the value of R at time t)

robertp

Man I feel dumb

jonnyb

welcome, you're not alone :D

robertp

like value[i]?
value being an array of all the cells

[12:26]

jonnyb

yes, so for a start replace your var i with a t

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robertp

result += values[t] / Math.pow((rate / 100) + 1, t);
;)

[12:27]

jonnyb

ok, and your "rate" is the wikipedia "i"?

[12:27]

robertp

result += values[t] / Math.pow((i / 100) + 1, t);

[12:29]

jonnyb

robertp: looks good - working?

[12:35]

robertp

It is close, but not close enough

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robertp

Ok the formula is working correctly in that I get the correct value (or very close to it), but for some reason, it's not working like excel.

[12:39]

jonnyb

what does this bit mean? "R0 is commonly placed to the left of the sum to emphasize its role as (minus) the investment"

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robertp

If I run "=NPV(10,25000)" in sheet I get 22737, if I do it in excel I get 4166.67.
?
myn looks to be close to that on wikipedia
jonnyb - I ran "=NPV(10,B2:B8)" where column B represents the values from wikipedia, the result......
8,881.52
Exactly like wikipedia
I wonder what excel is doing......

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jonnyb

so excel is wrong?

[12:45]

robertp

I don't know

[12:45]

jonnyb

surely not (these days)

[12:45]

robertp

Do you have open office?
I'm downloading.
to test

[12:46]

jonnyb

yes but need to get on with other stuff i'm afraid (unless you can send me an easy copy & paste test)

[12:49]

robertp

No, my formula works correctly, Excel's npv formula isn't actually an npv, it is something else.
Thanks for your time

[12:52]

jonnyb, just fyi, if you use "=NPV(10,B1:B7)" rather than "=NPV(10%,B1:B7)" in excel you will not get npv for 10 percent.
My code is right, and is going to be submitted.

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jonnyb

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robertp

Jonny, you know what would be cool? Is if we get updates from external svn's here

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jonnyb

robertp: not sure how that's set up - i'm an irc n00b (comparatively)
hi marclaporte

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marclaporte

polom jonnyb

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robertp

Marc - http://visop-dev.ourwiki.net/sheet13&parse=y&height=400px
The calculations are still a bit off, but some of the problems that I'm running into is that javascript doesn't support the same type of math.
and in order to fix it w/ copy past, we need a better way of regex to evaluate the formulas
javascript regex isn't very smart

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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27824 10/branches/5.x/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
tikiwiki: [FIX][MOD] A few more fixes for Firefox & IE textarea selection problems, also some refactoring of JS code from toolbarslib to tiki-jquery.js.
tikiwiki: More to do on IE (still)

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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r27825 10/branches/5.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [bp/r27821 & r27822][ENH] Added height parameter to wikiplugin_sheet.php & Added heights to sheets if edited from a page, for a smoother user interface

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jonnyb

robertp & marclaporte: you about?

[13:57]

robertp

yea

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marclaporte

[13:58]

jonnyb

i'm finally going to attach sheets again (refactoring etc) and would like to do it in 5.x so it goes into 5.1
it's nothing too heavy, and should fix quite a bit (we've also updated 5.x to use sheet 1.1, right?)
any reason you switched to using trunk, robertp?
everything seems to be pretty we identical at the moment (i just backported the height param thing)
so 5.x ok then? (and robertp - you switch back? should be ok...)

[13:58]

robertp

I don't see any big problems,
I think it would be wise, then if we need to stay at a certain revision, just freeze it.
Marc has me working on more tiki stuff right now anyway. The only thing that I'm thinking is the min files aren't updated regularly, but you guys don't use those do you?

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jonnyb

nope, tiki minifies as it goes
btw, robertp, have you notices something (tiki JS) adds 100px to the sheet heights?

[14:06]

robertp

yea
And we need to set the colMargin in sheet to be a few more pixels.

[14:09]

jonnyb

which is for the edit stuff at the top

[14:10]

robertp

During initialization sheet removes the table(s) from inside it-self to get an accurate height, then put's it back in.

[14:11]

Also, sometimes height can be a bit skewed by the menu + title at the top of the sheet

[14:19]

jonnyb

indeed, that's why i just added some - i'll see if that's still needed

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robertp

Jonny were is your sheet save function stored?
javascript
$jq.sheet.saveSheet(true);

[14:21]

jonnyb

in tiki-jquery.js

[14:22]

robertp

go it
thanks
I want to preserve the height attribute if it was sent in the querystring....
where are you telling the page to reload?

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sylvieg

do we have a js fucntion to go to an anchor?

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robertp

after a save w/ sheet

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jonnyb

sorry robertp - on phone, back soon

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robertp

i found it

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jonnyb

hi robertp - back

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robertp

hey

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jonnyb

sylvieg: not that i know of (js fn for go to anchor)
robertp: are you now working on 5.x?

[15:14]

robertp

I am trying to preserve height if it's set at the plugin level.
Should I be?
Or should I be in trunk
My website is in trunk, so I felt that I should be in trunk.

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jonnyb

becasue i am, and if we work on the same files in different branches we'll be in trouble

[15:15]

robertp

So that we can tweak spreadsheet templates for Marc.

[15:15]

jonnyb

why did you switch to trunk? for other tiki stuff?
i think these fixes/enhancements should go into 5.x
and merged also into trunk

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marclaporte

In general, spreasheets will likely change quickly because Robert is very quickly adding stuff.
So that's why I feel it's better in trunk
But it's great to backport if you feel it should be

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jonnyb

but aren't there a load of bugs in 5.0 to fix? Or are they all ok in 5.x now?
if i fix stuff in 5.x and robertp changes stuff in trunk we'll get a split (i won't have time to backport/manual merge everything)

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marclaporte

My feeling is that 5.x is good enough, and I prefer that we have the liberty of trunk.
perhaps surgical backports to 5.x?

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jonnyb

ok, will do...

[15:25]

marclaporte

Tiki6 is coming soon anyway (!)

[15:26]

jonnyb

too true :)

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robertp

Marc, did you get a chance to check out that spreadsheet that you sent me? - http://visop-dev.ourwiki.net/sheet13&parse=y&height=400px

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marclaporte

looking now

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mlaporte

robertp: can the visual aspect be closer?
borders, colors, etc

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robertp

yes, but for some reason the sizes aren't being saved.
and color

[15:54]

jonnyb

there's nowhere really in tiki-sheets back-end for that info (yet)

[15:55]

robertp

We are using json to save the sheets right?

[15:55]

jonnyb

yup

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robertp

I've updated the sheet json methods a bit to account for style, class, and dimensions.

[15:56]

jonnyb

but it's home-brewed code as that wasn't working when i added .sheet at first (v.4ish)

[15:56]

robertp

I saw that

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jonnyb

also, i'm saving the function differently i think
(sheet functions)

[15:57]

robertp

Are there any quick ways that we can make saving those attributes possible?

[15:57]

jonnyb

by the way - are you working on the tiki files now? (just had a conflict)

[15:57]

robertp

Not that I've committed.
today

[15:58]

jonnyb

ok, good
(except now i have a smarty breakage - don't think it's me)

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robertp

someone moved it's location
smarty setup

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mlaporte

lph is doing more perf optimizations
mlaporte is looking forward to speed tests!

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Elvin

Tiki 5.0: Created some groups with Admin, then when I use a SubAdmins user to add members, those groups I've created are not listed. - Thanks!

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jonnyb

robertp: i'm getting sheet save errors - save.html not found. Has the API for that changed?
(in trunk)

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robertp

I don't think so.
I'm using trunk and it's saving just fine.

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jonnyb

hmm, odd - must be my local changes (refactoring finally)
seems to be urlSave not getting set here

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jonnyb

aha, it's with feature_ajax on
(dull)

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chealer

polom
jonnyb: regarding your tikiwiki-devel mail, what do you mean by "if you add the common categories to the jail roots"?

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jonnyb

hi chealer - i mean adding the id of (say) the Types category as another jailroot (you can have more than one)

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chealer

jonnyb: what is that supposed to do, limit objects displayed to those in all specified categories?

[18:06]

jonnyb

well exactly - those are categories not involved in the jailroot thing

chealer

i.e. if an object is not in one of the categories, it doesn't show?

jonnyb

no, it shouldn't matter

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jonnyb

only the Department categs (in that example) should govern visibility per perspective

[18:08]

chealer

jonnyb: you're saying a perspective can have several jail roots?

[18:08]

jonnyb

yup, but that doesn't help here
they appear in the perspective as top level categs

[18:09]

chealer

jonnyb: if you have a single jail root, that category should become the root category, no?

[18:10]

jonnyb

yes

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robertp

mlaporte, I'm waiting for the guys at openoffice to tell me how to access their formula source to fix and add new formulas, it's just taking to long, I didn't didn't go to school for math, I went for programming.

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robertp

In the mean time, what other spreadsheets would you like added to tiki?

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chealer

jonnyb: so how does it work when there are several jailroots? which one is the perspective's root category?

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jonnyb

all of them - well, they're all on the "top" level

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basically (to me) it means if you use categories for perspectives you sort of can't use it for anything else

[18:37]

chealer

jonnyb: OK, so if you have a perspective with a category jail set to category 1 and you add category 2 to the category jail, you're only adding objects to those that will be displayed, right?

[18:38]

jonnyb

as far as i understand it

[18:38]

chealer

jonnyb: OK, I think I understand your mail

[18:38]

jonnyb

can you do a reply explaining how you worked out what i meant? might help others ;)
maybe it needs something like a way of ignoring categs that aren't "in" any jailroot cats at all

[18:39]

chealer

jonnyb: what does that mean: if not, then listing one of the Types, say Course notes, brings up the pages for all three perspectives (or none at all, depending on object type)
if you're in a perspective, the course notes in your perspective's category should display, shouldn't it?

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jonnyb

yes, but if you list "course notes" cater you either get all of them, or none
you should get just the stuff that's also in your jailroot
i think

[18:57]

chealer

jonnyb: right
jonnyb: so that's just a bug, no?

[18:57]

jonnyb

well, it's "existing behaviour" - and you know tiki ;)
i thought i though check before trying to "fix" it
also, it's really difficult, so i was hoping someone else would come up with a nice, clean solution (and do it)
robertp: you were asking about changing the CSS in your tiki - a good place to start is http://themes.tikiwiki.org/CSS

[19:00]

robertp

I found it

chealer

jonnyb: IMO, that and "if someone in a department perspective edits and saves a page, it will no longer be categorised as Course notes." are simply bugs

robertp

I was looking for a clean way to integrate my skin w/ jqui

jonnyb

robertp: i guess making a custom.css in the styles subdir you are using
exacto

chealer

I don't see a solution other than finding what's going wrong and fixing it.

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jonnyb

i got more or less there then went on my travels - will need to find it again
somewhere in categlib i think
$categlib->getSqlJoin() - line 1284 in trunk
i think it should be something to do with the $categId['AND'] line, which _appears_ to be unused, but it seems to do the "blending" in the wrong order

[19:04]

chealer

hehe, sounds possible but I'm not sure I want to dig in that code :-) not right now anyway.

[19:09]

jonnyb

scaredy cat (me too ;) )
sounds like a sylvieg thing to me :)

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chealer

jonnyb: perhaps a "solution" would be to complain to lphuberdeau :-)

[19:12]

jonnyb

tried that...

[19:12]

chealer

jonnyb: from memory getSqlJoin() is a lphuberdeau thing from TikiFestBarcelona or around

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jonnyb

i think that little ['AND'] bit was sylvieg - he just added the jailroot check
but wasn't clear either what the section does - so he defaulted to safe

[19:15]

chealer

or, perhaps sylvieg added support for several categories, yeah, I don't know

[19:17]

sylvieg

what is the troubel?

[19:17]

chealer

hi sylvieg

[19:17]

jonnyb

hi sylvieg - categ jailroot stuff, i'm afraid

chealer

hehe

jonnyb

did you see my mail to devels?

sylvieg

yes but I did not have a clue
I never worked really with perspective

http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFestNewYork6

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jonnyb

have you got a few minutes for this now?

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sylvieg

which commit are refering?

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jonnyb

it was a very long time ago - i couldn't find the exact commit
but it's $categlib->getSqlJoin() - line 1284 in trunk
specifically the block after "if (isset( $categId['AND'] )" (line 1294)

[19:23]

sylvieg

but what AND has something to do with your problem?

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jonnyb

the AND bit doesn't seem to be used anywhere, so should be safe to change, but the cater searches when jailrooted would need changing
the categs in the 'AND' bit can be outside a user's jail (i think)
as long as it's categorised in _one_ of my jails, i should be able to see it, no?
at the moment it has to be in all
so maybe i mean 'OR', rather than 'AND'
(but AND my jails)
jonnyb knows he isn't good at this stuff

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sylvieg

but where do the jail receive and array with anAND?
the OR should be done with a list od categId?

[19:29]

jonnyb

i doesn't currently, which is why you can't have shared/common categs

[19:30]

sylvieg

so it is get_jail that must be corrected?

[19:30]

jonnyb

could be
but that's probably used elsewhere for other reasons

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sylvieg

did you see in tikilib // if jail is zero, we should allow non-categorized objects to be seen as well, i.e. consider as no jail
it means that ??? if jail is not zero ... who do not allow other categ?

[19:33]

robertp

A testament to how well tiki and jqui work with outside themes - http://visop-dev.ourwiki.net/About
mlaporte, jonnyb - please check link
Of coarse it's not done, but very shortly I will be migrating my existing site to this one.
Very fun stuff

[19:34]

chealer

sylvieg: what?

[19:36]

robertp

I didn't touch jqui at all, just used custom.css

[19:36]

sylvieg

chealer: I do not know - I try to understand..
what is the generated query jonnyb in your site?

[19:36]

jonnyb

sorry - back (door)

[19:37]

sylvieg

the object must be in the jailed category and the descendants or the object must not be in other jailed categories

[19:38]

jonnyb

sylvieg: i was trying to get articles to do jailed stuff properly (can't recall exact path - list_articles() probably)
yes, which means you have to duplicate all your common categories for each perspective (and tiki grinds to a halt eventually)
also the category picker becomes unusable

[19:38]

sylvieg

can you do a perspecitive with n categories

[19:40]

jonnyb

yes

[19:40]

sylvieg

because if you can do a perspective like A , current categs
in your case Physics, Type
.. ok but we wil see the other ... sorry

[19:40]

chealer

I don't understand what that means: the object must be in the jailed category and the descendants or the object must not be in other jailed categories

[19:42]

jonnyb

but then physics persp can see all Type categorised object (even for other persps)

[19:42]

sylvieg

yes jonnyb - I got it

[19:42]

jonnyb

so i thought that 'AND' section might be a good place to do it

[19:43]

sylvieg

sylvieg needs a test to see

[19:44]

jonnyb

or maybe (better) fix get_jailed so it doesn't filter out categs (or descendants of) which aren't in a jailroot (or descendants) - messy

[19:44]

sylvieg

problably your last points
s/point

[19:44]

jonnyb

robertp finally: nice and very quick work on http://visop-dev.ourwiki.net/About (background image a bit busy for my liking tho' ;) )

[19:48]

robertp

You are right
I'm workin on it.

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[19:49]

sylvieg

it is bloody - I activated perspective and it is buuged

[19:50]

jonnyb

oh? so quick sylvieg?

[19:51]

chealer

BTW, I tried the perspectives GUI on Tampa and that worked pretty well - on my 5.x it's almost worthless, I don't understand why.

[19:51]

sylvieg

all the blogs last commits are buggy

[19:51]

chealer

and by trying I mean I just saw the fields were showing properly, which doesn't happen on my local 5.x

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tikiwiki: [REF] Refactor some code from tiki-view_sheets into grid.php (tiki-sheet lib)
tikiwiki: Also fix for feature_jquery_sheet==n when feature_ajax==y

[19:58]

robertp

jonnyb, did I mention that "Jonny B. Good" is one of my favorit songs to play on the guitar?

[20:01]

jonnyb

i look forward to a rendition of it sometime - you coming to New York?

[20:02]

robertp

One last time - http://visop-dev.ourwiki.net/About
css tweak to nearly done

[20:02]

jonnyb

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[20:03]

luciash

that "page flashing" in FF 3.6 is terrible

[20:04]

robertp

luciash, are you talking about my page?

[20:06]

luciash

talking about Tiki 5 on tw.o actually

[20:06]

robertp

ok
thanks

[20:06]

jonnyb

hi luciash - i was getting that but if i disabled firebug (in the addons control) it went away, so decided i could live with it
(actually couldn't find a fix for it)

[20:08]

luciash

jonnyb: ah, i didn't know it is firebug related. i will try disable it too

[20:09]

jonnyb

seemed to go away for me (but only if you effectively remove the plugin - not just switch it "off" for that site)

[20:10]

sylvieg

:-( I can not have perspective working

[20:10]

jonnyb

sylvieg: did you try running the profile?
jail_demo or something

luciash

jonnyb: trying [Disable] button in Addons prefs now

sylvieg

I should probably

jonnyb

worked last time i tried it

luciash

jonnyb: seems to help
jonnyb: but it is really a pity, because i need firebug

jonnyb

there's something in tiki that firefox really doesn't like

luciash

jonnyb: i will be forced to use chrome to develop then i guess

jonnyb

maybe connected to the textarea selection issue
i'm using the new safari - very impressive (but no linux i guess)

luciash

i wonder why it does on http://tikiwiki.org/Home though (no textarea iirc there)
it flashes whole page twice, then the both left and right columns until it "settles down"

[20:14]

jonnyb

seems ok for me (as anon)

[20:15]

luciash

nevermind, switching Chrome to be my default browser now

[20:15]

jonnyb

looks ok logged on too

[20:15]

chealer

luciash: yes, Marc had it during a demonstration in Montreal :-(

[20:16]

luciash

i am logged in and it's ok with firebug disabled

[20:16]

chealer

I doubt he had Firebug

[20:16]

jonnyb

i'm getting JS errors now :(
starting with document.getElementById("twitter_update_list") is null

[20:17]

luciash

it is interesting that i have YSlow enabled still and it works even without Firebug (i thought YSlow was Firebug dependent)

[20:18]

jonnyb

me2

[20:18]

luciash

that twitter thingie was in trunk only i guess
(shoutox integration)
*shoutbox

[20:18]

jonnyb

think so
but it's trying to do something with blogger.js from twitter.com

[20:19]

luciash

i have web developer addon enabled too, btw
jonnyb: you talk about tw.o site too ?

[20:20]

jonnyb

yup

[20:20]

luciash

maybe it's only the twitter button then there
not tiki's error

[20:20]

jonnyb

it's called from twitterCallback2() somewhere (anonymous function)

[20:21]

chealer

I don't seem to get flickering on that page, either logged in or as anonymous, in Firefox 3.6.6, with Firebug or not

[20:22]

jonnyb

no js errors chealer?

[20:23]

luciash

weird

[20:23]

sylvieg

jonnyb: onm a fresh install with the profile demo_jail - I added a category other - put the page A in A and other, I activated the perspective A and no problem

[20:24]

chealer

jonnyb: I do get 3 JS errors, like you

[20:24]

jonnyb

sylvieg: but what if you browse categ other?

[20:25]

chealer

luciash: I remember flickering was very weird indeed. I had Flickering from Firefox 3.6 on Windows but not on Iceweasel 3.5 (Debian). nor with Iceweasel 3.6 I believe

[20:26]

sylvieg

i can not browse other when I am in perspective A

[20:26]

jonnyb

chealer: i think those would be responsible for Bad Things (like jquery not getting initialised right)
if you have the direct url, sylvieg?

[20:26]

sylvieg

what do you mean?

[20:27]

jonnyb

e.g. tiki-browse_categories.php?parentId=3&deep=on

[20:27]

luciash

oh, damn, i get the flickering again... it seems it only happens when i try to scroll the page until it is fully loaded or something

[20:27]

chealer

jonnyb: indeed...the last 2 errors sound familiar, at least one must be caused by another

[20:28]

jonnyb

i'm not getting the 2nd and 3rd on other tiki's

[20:28]

chealer

luciash: did you get the 3 JS errors?

[20:28]

jonnyb

jonnyb apologises for the rogue apostrophe

luciash

if i don't scroll down the page it doesn't seem to flicker during load

chealer

jonnyb: I'm sure I've seen the second one at least 2 times and thought "damn, wasn't that error fixed" the second time.

luciash

chealer: yes

jonnyb

other two sites seem ok - http://info.tikiwiki.org

sylvieg

jonnyb: working perfectly with browse others I can see the apge A in perspective A

jonnyb

oh?

sylvieg

on a clean install only ;-)

jonnyb

maybe it's other object types (i know articles aren't quite done)

[20:30]

sylvieg

perhaps

[20:30]

jonnyb

what if you edit that page inside the persp - for me it uncategorises it from the common ones

[20:30]

chealer

luciash: are you getting that as anonymous?

[20:31]

luciash

as logged in

[20:31]

chealer

luciash: try anonymous, the different user preferences could make a difference

[20:32]

sylvieg

jonnyb: for me too
so this is the bug...

[20:33]

jonnyb

well, a feature disappointment maybe ;)

[20:34]

sylvieg

or the categ block must show the jail and the non jailed

[20:34]

jonnyb

yes, it's tricky

[20:34]

luciash

chealer: as anonymous only one (the twitter one)

jonnyb

i think that would be better - only remove cats that are in other perspectives maybe

chealer

luciash: OK but do you see the flickering?

sylvieg

no I did not lost the categs...
sorry

jonnyb

oh, good

[20:36]

sylvieg

but I can not asiign categories that are not in the jail
so it is only to fix the categorize.php

[20:36]

jonnyb

i'm sure there were more issues with common categories though

[20:37]

sylvieg

btw jonnyb you missed the utf8 meeting - a big piece of trouble

[20:37]

jonnyb

the only way seemed to be to have copy cats in each jailed categ
yes, it seemed like it to me
but not only for us - many php/mysql apps have the same legacy issue it seems

[20:37]

luciash

chealer: nope, because i disabled YSlow too

sylvieg

actually - yes the copy of categ seem to be the only sol

jonnyb

the tool i use for mysql locally has an encoding mode called "utf-8 via latin1"
which works

luciash

chealer: as logged in i get the 3 errors too