#tikiwiki 2010-08-09,Mon

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brankom	Hi. Is there any kind of limitation for the length of title? Or something about using non-latin characters? (when I go throug the categories page, the links seem to be shortened a bit, which doesn't let me actually open the page, going through, for example, search, or through structures seems to work ok)	[08:05]
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chibaguy	polom	[09:47]
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coaboa	morning	[10:11]
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ricks99	someone needs to change welcome message for this channel	[10:22]
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j0n3	hi!	[10:53]
ricks99	hi j0n3	[10:58]
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jonnyb	polom noon	[11:11]
j0n3	as always (fighting with trackers): I have #1 "Departments" and #2 "Instructions for departments" tracker. On #2 I have item link with #1 (or null = All departments)	[11:11]
jonnyb	seems all the tw.o sites are down :(	[11:12]
j0n3	using a template with a trackerlist to show #1, shows empty (non asigned instructions) well when viewing wiki page, but shows nothing when viewing tracker item can I show trackerlist plugin on a template used to show tracker items?	[11:13]
jonnyb	j0n3: you mean when there's &itemId=42 the page is empty?	[11:19]
j0n3	no when viewing template as wiki page (no item viewing), trackerlist shows all non asigned Instructions well, but when viewing tracker item shows an empty list {TRACKERLIST(trackerId="19",filterfield=119, test=0)}{TRACKERLIST} I'm doing it wrong :S	[11:23]
sylvieg	what is the test parameter? and if you have a filterfield you must have a filtervalue or exactvalue	[11:27]
j0n3	well, it works on viewing template but not on tracker item	[11:36]
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j0n3	{TRACKERLIST(trackerId="19",filterfield="119",exactvalue="")}{TRACKERLIST} it works the same: non asigned shown viewing template, and nothing viewing tracker item	[11:37]
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sylvieg	are you doing recurring trackerlist? with pretty tracker?	[11:54]
j0n3	no well pretty tracker = wiki page as template for tracker item view? so yes (no smarty tpl)	[12:08]
sylvieg	if you are not doing nested trackerlist the wiki/templates should not contain TRACKERLIST on;y the original page the template should contains {$f_xxx} etc...	[12:10]
j0n3	i want to add a fixed tracker list.. static filtered it should only show all items from an external tracker with a null field	[12:11]
brankom	As a curiosity, is it possible to use X.509 certificates for authenication, and LDAP backend for authorisation purposes? (presumably using something like apache mod_ssl to authenticate users)	[12:12]
sylvieg	if you are doing nested trackerlist - goto to see the devel list about that - seems it does not always work	[12:13]
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jonnyb	hi JoernOtt	[12:16]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r28399 10/trunk/templates/blog_footer.tpl: [FIX] Close a tag for all cases	[12:17]
jonnyb	JoernOtt: I was just updating and see your new random page include plugin - did you consider adding the randomness as an option to the existing include plugin?	[12:18]
JoernOtt	The random option would make the other options of the include plugin worthless for example start/stop markers might be different in each page	[12:27]
jonnyb	i was wondering about that	[12:27]
JoernOtt	so I thought, it might be more clear to end users to have two different plugins	[12:28]
jonnyb	yes, a tricky call - glad you had considered it (thought you would have)	[12:28]
JoernOtt	instead of specifying a parameter which will be either ignored or overrides the others	[12:28]
jonnyb	just trying to keep the options down to stop people's heads exploding when they first see the list! :)	[12:29]
JoernOtt	understandable	[12:29]
jonnyb	you did the new stuff in the quick edit module too recently, didn't you?	[12:30]
JoernOtt	Carsten was looking at the list pages thingie for randomnes as well but I believe adding a param there would be obscuring when someone is looking for "random" yes Carsten\|coaboa and his people are paying me for a lot of things they wanted :-)	[12:30]
jonnyb	i have meant to KIL that one - i refactored all the code into mod-func-search for tiki 5(it does what quick-edit, search-box and search_wiki_page did) unfortunately i never got round to the db update script to switch everyone's modules to use the same new one... oops! and by the look of the code now, quick edit probably should now stay it's own stand-alone thing (before it was very simple)	[12:32]
JoernOtt	their idea was to allow a quick copy/paste from for example a text processor which will be appended to an existing page or becomes the content of the newly created page + set a category and set the description to make it easy for people to contribute to the wiki	[12:35]
jonnyb	sounds good, that's always a sticking point for wikis on another topic... sylvieg: (or anyone else maybe) - i'm doing this $jq to $ replacement, should i do the language files too, or not?	[12:36]
JoernOtt	how uptodate is the dev site concerning this As I am ajaxifying ther "Share this", I don't want to follow old xajax stuff if its going to be deprecated	[12:37]
jonnyb	xajax isn't going to be deprecated is it? (afaik)	[12:38]
JoernOtt	ok	[12:38]
jonnyb	what needs adding is a clean way to do ajax in modules	[12:38]
JoernOtt	there was a discussion on that on the dev list	[12:38]
jonnyb	and plugins...	[12:38]
JoernOtt	yes, i faced that with an internal application as well	[12:39]
jonnyb	yes, xajax is over complicated but it does work - change <a> links in tpls to {self_link}s and the page automatically uses ajax	[12:39]
sylvieg	jonnyb: ???	[12:40]
jonnyb	mind you, share this doesn't really use the tiki does it? it posts via JS to the shar.es server i thought hi sylvieg i'm doing this $jq to $ replacement, should i do the language files too, or not?	[12:40]
sylvieg	sorry I do n ot understand	[12:41]
jonnyb	don't they get updated automatically via get_strings i just remember there were issues about global text replacement in lang files - maybe not	[12:41]
sylvieg	why are you changing $jq to $	[12:42]
jonnyb	because that's the standard for jQuery	[12:42]
sylvieg	if ther is some $jq in lang yes you must change because the translated part must change	[12:42]
jonnyb	we just used $jq for a while becasue mootools were there first	[12:42]
sylvieg	sylvieg finds that $jq is easier to read in fact...	[12:43]
JoernOtt	JoernOtt finds that too	[12:43]
jonnyb	i've had two plugins not work properly due to this, and i'm pretty certain it was agreed at a fest (new york i think) that we should do this change really? $jq easier to read? (i tohught i'd just got used to it like that!)	[12:43]
JoernOtt	is $ the default then?	[12:44]
jonnyb	the rest of the jQuery world uses just $ yup	[12:44]
JoernOtt	ok, then we should change as well	[12:44]
jonnyb	so all examples and libs use just $ i think we'll get used to it...	[12:44]
JoernOtt	because it makes it easier to adapt to it integrating third party stuff is far easier when sticking to the same rules	[12:45]
jonnyb	i've done the search/replace locally, so have it ready to commit - but it might be messy to roll it back afterwards that's what i thought JoernOtt in fact this new one brosho reports an error about $	[12:45]
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RavenC	hi everyone	[12:53]
jonnyb	hi RavenC	[12:53]
RavenC	5.1 !! I can't keep up! Grats to all! :)	[12:53]
jonnyb	that's a point - how do we change the message here? it still says News! Tiki 5.0 etc	[12:54]
JoernOtt	sylvieg: as op you should be able to do that	[12:55]
sylvieg	if somebody knows the syntax	[12:56]
ricks99	set topic #tikiwiki foo also, need to remove 4.3 reference	[12:58]
sylvieg	I have unknown command	[13:03]
***	sylvieg changes topic to: #tikiwiki News! TIki 5.1, 3.6 (LTS) released!Wanna ask something? Just askWe log the channel @ http://irc.tikiwiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log), type !help or >help! to get some help from our bots ;) Enjoy!	[13:04]
RavenC	RavenC Cheers Sylvig!	[13:04]
***	sylvieg changes topic to: #tikiwiki News! TIki 5.1, 3.6 (LTS) released! Wanna ask something? Just ask. We log the channel @ http://irc.tikiwiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log), type !help or >help! to get some help from our bots ;) Enjoy!	[13:05]
jonnyb	yay sylvieg!	[13:05]
ricks99	clap	[13:09]
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coaboa	agree with JoernOtt: stay mainstream in conventions unless a major reason to break those comes up. What's about a sourcecode documentation tool which allows t write docs while commenting the source edits? *t/to Jeorn mentioned phpdoc (right?)	[13:16]
jonnyb	hi coaboa - yes, phpdoc is used in tiki (occasionally) by the way... big $jq coming in - take cover! brb	[13:19]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28400 10/trunk/ (144 files in 57 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD] Big commit, with (hopefully) no functional effect. tikiwiki: Replace $jq with the jQuery standard $ as reference for the jQuery object. tikiwiki: You will almost certainly need to clear your tiki and browser caches to clear out transitory JS errors.	[13:22]
RavenC	with tw6 being the lts, is there going to be much else going on with 5.x until then?	[13:26]
jonnyb	hi RavenC - not by me. i'm flat out on stuff for 6 personally	[13:30]
coaboa	me personal tryed to avoid th usage of 5.x as the utf8 problem seemed not to be resolved prior its release. Only used 5.x for test sites. *the	[13:30]
jonnyb	i wouldn't expect a 5.2 (maybe a 5.1.1 if we can fix this wiki attachment bug)	[13:31]
RavenC	ok, that is kind of what I thought. Iis there any pre-pre-pre alphas for 6 yet? ;) RavenC loves testing	[13:32]
jonnyb	trunk :D as no one else seems to be volunteering i'll have a go at being release mangler for 6.0, and i'd like to leave the branching to 6.x late but brutal (e.g. i'll rollback non-genuine fixes) in the meantime it would be nice if we can be very careful with trunk, so as many people can be testing already (he says, having just globally search and replaced a var name over a hundred files!)	[13:34]
JoernOtt	but now is the right time, another month until freeze and already many people testing means a good chance of spotting errors before freeze	[13:44]
jonnyb	that's what i'm hoping too - thanks :)	[13:46]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28401 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [MOD] JS: Assign $jq to $ so legacy custom code will continue to work	[13:55]
fabricius	hi	[13:55]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28402 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]i18n: quick fix to custom language. Replace with text inputs	[14:00]
jonnyb	ok, warning of another multi-file change brewing - to change the textarea & toolbars "area_name" to "area_id" (as it really needs to be a unique id for any of this to work and the ambiguity is painful) i'm contemplating doing this in an experimental branch, but then no one will test it...	[14:11]
JoernOtt	maybe we should think of a $tikilib->getID function which can be used by every plugin/module	[14:13]
jonnyb	hmmm, looks to hairy i think (which is why i've been putting it off since 3.x!) - i'll go experimental	[14:14]
JoernOtt	or a general naming convention	[14:14]
jonnyb	JoernOtt: it needs to be client side too - also mostly accessed from smarty tpls (for extra fun!)	[14:14]
JoernOtt	like ta<Module>Id####	[14:14]
ricks99	will this also fix the problem of having 2 (or more) antibots on a single page?	[14:15]
JoernOtt	yes, I had the problem with the wikiplugin_author	[14:15]
jonnyb	yes, that might help	[14:15]
sylvieg	JoernOtt: you need to have register your site on facebook to use the like it?	[14:15]
JoernOtt	as each popup stuff needs its own ids	[14:15]
ricks99	currently they all use the same <label for-XX>	[14:15]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 - yes, hopefully	[14:15]
ricks99	sweet. tx	[14:15]
JoernOtt	sylvieg: yes, to retrieve an api key	[14:15]
sylvieg	:-(	[14:16]
JoernOtt	otherwise the user can't authorize the site to post for him without logging in every time twitter does that as well	[14:16]
sylvieg	sylvieg will have to do a plugin like it	[14:17]
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JoernOtt	well, you can stick to the facebook fbxml stuff if the user isn't logged in at facebook, he will be asked to log in, when clicking the button	[14:18]
ricks99	@JoernOtt: is ur FB implementaiton available on a public page? i'd e interested in seeing it live	[14:20]
sylvieg	yes but I does not want to register my site ... I can not have the like button	[14:20]
ricks99	and how this differs from simply using the JS	[14:20]
sylvieg	(for now I can not register - I am on my local)	[14:20]
JoernOtt	ricks: go to https://test.ott-consult.de:/trunk/ when you go to MyTiki->Socialnetworks, you can register the site once with fb/twitter usin oauth	[14:20]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28403 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 28402	[14:21]
ricks99	tx	[14:21]
JoernOtt	and then you can use the shoutbox with twitter/fb and you can use the share this button and post on your fb wall and like it as well	[14:21]
ricks99	ricks99 cant find the LIKE button :(	[14:22]
JoernOtt	on each wiki page looking like the email this button hint: top left its not a LIKE button but "Share this page"	[14:22]
ricks99	i see nthing. is it available for anonymous?	[14:23]
JoernOtt	nope, for registered	[14:23]
ricks99	ahhh	[14:23]
JoernOtt	otherwise we can't use MyTiki to store a users tokens	[14:23]
ricks99	do u have a demo login?	[14:24]
JoernOtt	just register a user and use the site key "twitter" a demo user would be a bit tricky, imagine someone authorizing it with twitter and facebook and everyone would post with his account	[14:24]
ricks99	passcode?	[14:26]
JoernOtt	twitter	[14:26]
ricks99	k	[14:26]
JoernOtt	you can become admin if you want to look at the admin stuff too	[14:26]
ricks99	ricks99 the only thing worse than a captcha is a backwards* captcha :)*	[14:27]
sylvieg	I am on your site as simple user but can not share a page	[14:29]
ricks99	ricks99 not happy abou tthe "Access my data any time" permission	[14:29]
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ricks99	still do nt see "SHARE" button	[14:30]
Kimberlee	hello all.	[14:30]
jonnyb	hi Kimberlee	[14:32]
JoernOtt	ricks99: below the black bar a little right of the menu or the third of the buttons for a wiki page, "View Edit Icons", "Edit this page", "Share this page", ...	[14:33]
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sylvieg	JoernOtt: as a simple registered I can not see I see on my local	[14:34]
ricks99	i have just watch, edit, and show edit plugins buttons	[14:35]
sylvieg	You do not have permission to use this feature: tiki_p_share	[14:35]
JoernOtt	k added the perm to registered again	[14:36]
sylvieg	thx	[14:36]
JoernOtt	I did play a bit with different permissions on the weekend	[14:36]
ricks99	now i see it :)	[14:36]
sylvieg	but Authorize with facebook first and to pu on my facebook wall - is it the same thatn like it /me does not know facebook	[14:37]
ricks99	now I see it in action	[14:38]
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ricks99	very nice	[14:39]
sylvieg	If I do not enter a recipients I have One of the email addresses you typed is invalid:	[14:40]
JoernOtt	but only as long as you set email to yes maybe I should change the message and/or do a javascript validation sylvieg and I talked about a feature Group-Mail/Message which could be integrated into tiki to allow to send a mail/message to all members of a group. This could also be integrated into share this	[14:40]
jonnyb	JoernOtt: have a look at the jquery.validate library - it's pretty good	[14:42]
JoernOtt	jonnyb: will do	[14:42]
ricks99	@JoernOtt: could this be exgtended to let anonymous post comments & forum posts (with autho via FB or Twitter)?	[14:43]
JoernOtt	atm, anonymous can use the share this but not with twitter/fb, only with the internal stuff so the user can choose any forum he has access to	[14:46]
RavenC	Morning Kimberlee!	[14:47]
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JoernOtt	for twitter/fb there could be a central account but then we have the problem that an anonymous user could use that to spam and having an admin check through instant messages kind of negates the "instant" what we could maybe do, is leave out the authorisation so, if the user is already logged in on twitter/fb, the stuff will be sent, otherwise there will be a popup window where he must log in	[14:47]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28404 10/third_party/jquery/brosho/jquery.brosho.js: tikiwiki: [FIX] Brosho 3rd party lib - don't automatically create the brosho browser to give the user an option to run it or not. tikiwiki: Will try and contact the author and feedback (eventually)	[15:28]
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RavenC	Dumb question # 45,162 v2: I want to display the logged in persons name in a wiki page... Like, Hello "User", how are you today? Where "User" is the logged in persons name I cannot remember the syntax	[15:35]
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jonnyb	just {{user}} i think RavenC there might be a pref you need to switch on too	[15:36]
ricks99	could use {$user} in a module or custom content areas	[15:38]
RavenC	just a wiki page... found it... text-area Wiki Arguement variables... thanks	[15:38]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r28405 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [FIX] missing pref	[15:45]
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j0n3	byee	[15:53]
rodrigo_sampaio	rodrigo_sampaio ping luciash	[15:53]
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Freud_77	If I was to make a custom button for ckeditor in TW, how would i go about it? I need a button to insert a local link to a doc, that will show up in explorer, so i need to change every to /, which is boring...	[16:11]
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jonnyb	Freud_77: for ckeditor, or fckeditor?	[16:13]
Freud_77	U got me, I mean the wysiwyg, which one that is...	[16:13]
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Freud_77	I found the folder "dialog" which seems to contain the backside to the buttons...	[16:14]
RyanWPD	Hello all	[16:14]
Freud_77	Hi Ryan	[16:15]
RyanWPD	I've got a quick question - I'm having trouble getting into my template editor. I'm logged in as the site admin, but everything hangs when I hit the edit templates menu item Any idea why?	[16:16]
jonnyb	Freud_77: currently it's fckeditor - i'm trying to upgrade it to ckeditor for tiki 6	[16:16]
chealer	polom	[16:17]
Freud_77	jonnyb could i copy one of the html files in fckeditor/dialog folder, rename it together with it's subfolder, and it would show up as a new button in admin panel for the editor, so I can enable it there? Or do I somehow need to register/index it somewhere else too?	[16:21]
jonnyb	look at the ones in fckeditor_tiki/plugins - they are ones "we" have added to it tikilink is probably the simplest	[16:22]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28406 10/trunk/templates/advanced_search_help.tpl: [MOD]search: more examples in the help	[16:25]
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jonnyb	am i right in thinking that (in trunk) the little green "insert plugin" icons in the blog post popup help dialog are already broken?	[17:06]
luciash	jonnyb: afaik they were removed from wiki toolbars and replaced by the help icon so i wonder ... polom all, btw	[17:12]
jonnyb	hi luciash yes, the ones in the popup help i mean i think probably broken since 4.x fixing in the new branch now :)	[17:13]
luciash	ah, you mean broken as in ... they don't insert in the blog post textarea ?	[17:13]
jonnyb	just wanted to check i hadn't made things worse in my Monster:wysiwyg_ckeditor_update branch jonnyb wonders where "Monster:" came from - ah, copied the wrong thing	[17:14]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28407 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (32 files in 3 dirs): [KIL] Remove redundant textareasize.* (replaced by resize toolbar buttons in Tiki 4.0, and resizable textareas in Tiki 5.0)	[17:18]
luciash	heh	[17:20]
chealer	jonnyb: apparently (clicking them just closes the Help dialog, JavaScript error "val is undefined")	[17:23]
jonnyb	yup, that's what i was getting	[17:23]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Error for uploads - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38027	[17:24]
jonnyb	it's because of this awful mixup between name and id's of textareas which i'm now sorting out	[17:24]
ricks99	is there a proposed branch for 5.x yet?	[17:27]
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luciash	seems so ? or did you mean another branch jonnyb ?	[17:28]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 - no, and i'm not sure there will be one	[17:29]
luciash	"fixing in the new beanch now :)" i thought you're refering to proposed jonnyb: why not ?	[17:29]
jonnyb	luciash: in trunk, but just found something wrong in my experimental one, and wanted to check i hadn't caused it	[17:29]
ricks99	no proposed 5x. does that mean things can be safely backported int o 5x?	[17:30]
jonnyb	i'm working in /branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update not sure ricks99 the quality team seems to have gone into stasis and frankly i have too much to do for tiki 6 to worry about 5 much i think if someone fixes the wiki attachment problem we should do a 5.1.1 as it's a bad one, but doing the proposals thing is just too much overhead	[17:30]
luciash	wiki attachment problem ? i thought it was fixed long time ago and doing the utf-8 fix should fix it too, nope ?	[17:34]
jonnyb	no, seems to be broken on doc.tw.o (or was it dev?)	[17:34]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28408 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (. lib/setup/prefs.php templates/advanced_search_help.tpl): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 28402 to 28406	[17:34]
luciash	or was it fixed just in trunk and never backported to 5 ?	[17:34]
chealer	dev I think	[17:35]
luciash	but that one has still db in latin1, isn't it ?	[17:35]
ricks99	still lots of encoding issues on dev.tw.o	[17:35]
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luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: pong :)	[17:36]
rodrigo_sampaio	luciash: I was going to ask you something about tiki-edit_languages.php but I changed my mind and the question does not make sense anymore :)	[17:37]
luciash	rodrigo_sampaio: ok, np :)	[17:37]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28409 10/trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] Help: List plugins correctly for current $areaName (actually id) tikiwiki: Fixes broken plugin insert icons on help/plugins on blog post for tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28410 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (. lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 28406 to 28409 tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28411 10/trunk/lang/pt-br/language.php: fixing string in pt-br language.php	[18:00]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28412 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): tikiwiki: changes to tiki-edit_languages.php: tikiwiki: - display not if not language available to edit or export tikiwiki: - input text disabled for the original string tikiwiki: - remove button 'write to custom.php'	[18:09]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28413 10/trunk/templates/advanced_search_help.tpl: English	[18:37]
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fabricius	hi all	[18:43]
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jonnyb	hi fabricius	[18:44]
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fabricius	hi jonnyb	[18:49]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28414 10/trunk/ (33 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [bp/r28407][KIL] Remove redundant textareasize.* (replaced by resize toolbar buttons in Tiki 4.0, and resizable textareas in Tiki 5.0) tikiwiki: Backported from branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update - seems safe - clearing the decks.	[18:55]
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sylvieg	did someone succeeded to send a newsletter with plugin that must be approved	[19:25]
jonnyb	sorry sylvieg - not tried it	[19:26]
sylvieg	validatiojn buttom seems not to keep the context...	[19:27]
jonnyb	if it's not been approved then it shouldn't work - should it?	[19:27]
sylvieg	In fact I approved but for the next step it .lost the context nlId, text... strange that nobody complained ...	[19:28]
jonnyb	do you mean it's plugin approval, or some newsletter approval?	[19:29]
sylvieg	if a newsletter contains a plugin that needs approval - this newsletter can not be sent	[19:30]
jonnyb	oh right - both then :D can't you approve it first?	[19:30]
sylvieg	pfff... the plugin validation uses only $smarty.server.REQUEST_URI ..... bad...	[19:34]
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SEWilco2	How can I include external RSS feeds in TW RSS feed? I have Wiki page with some external RSS feeds, but I think when the external data changes that won't be reflected in the Wiki RSS feed (because the page hasn't been edited).	[20:28]
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Walrus23	help	[20:28]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tikiwiki English Irc Channel. TikiWiki or better known as TW, is your Groupware/CMS (Content Management System) solution, you can get more infomation at http://info.tikiwiki.org/ .	[20:28]
Walrus23	my image gallery won't let me get rid of the categories thing i want it to just show the image name and description and it is being a total pain in the but	[20:29]
sylvieg	desativate the categories feature if you do not need it somewhere else	[20:31]
Walrus23	ugh i tred that	[20:32]
sylvieg	ypu can probably do a css rule to hide the div only for image too	[20:33]
Walrus23	what is happening, i can disable the categories thing, but if i tell it to add the descrption, the categories thing comes up and the description does not it is really annoying tbh	[20:34]
sylvieg	when uploading or browsing?	[20:36]
Walrus23	i'm going edit gallery http://kicked.heliohost.org/home then click on the crew that's the gallery it's using i think tikiwiki version 3.3 and it's not doing the job at all	[20:38]
sylvieg	I think there is a config somewhere because 1 hour ago I went on a tiki3 with img and I did not notice this problem	[20:45]
Walrus23	yesh there must be something funky in my config i'll fix it later methinks thanks for your help hang on, i'm going to mIRC	[20:45]
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sylvieg	and I was debugging his problem :-(	[20:47]
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Walrus23	0312'03scuse that12,03 i needed to get off the connection i was using	[20:48]
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sylvieg	Walrus23: and when edit the gal, the categories checkbox is unckecked?	[20:51]
Walrus23	03i uncheck it and it re checks itself and unchecks the other options	[20:52]
sylvieg	I think I see the bug - 1 mn the bug is still there in tikki5	[20:52]
Walrus23	03is it12?03 03how do i squash it12?03	[20:53]
sylvieg	I found it	[20:59]
Walrus23	03another bug 12-03 my e12-03mails are not being sent for user registration	[21:01]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28416 10/trunk/lib/imagegals/imagegallib.php: [FIX]imgal: descrption and categs are switcvhed around	[21:02]
sylvieg	for you problem ... just in edit galeery think that description checkbox is categs check box and vice versa	[21:03]
Walrus23	03hmm	[21:03]
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Walrus23	03hmm 03well12,03 the only problem now is my email system which i think has something to do with my webhost 03is there a way to resend the email validations12?03	[21:03]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28417 10/branches/proposals/3.x/lib/imagegals/imagegallib.php: [bp/r 28416][FIX]imgal: descrption and categs are switcvhed around	[21:05]
sylvieg	in release 5 - yes bbl I have to move	[21:06]
Walrus23	03i got my system from fantastico 12-03 i prefer the 08LTS03 system	[21:06]
sylvieg	so for you rproblem cheched categories and unchecked description when editing the imggal ... and you will switch back when upgrading bbl	[21:07]
Walrus23	03thanks	[21:12]
SEWilco2	In 5.0beta2, my externally-imported RSS feed is showing only links to my own site rather than links to the external items. The feed's header does link out, but each item within the feed links only to my homepage.	[21:17]
Walrus23	03uhm12,03 where is the page to manipulate the email sender for validation of user registration12?03	[21:17]
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jonnyb	Walrus23: admin/general?	[21:37]
Walrus23	03admin 03well12,03 when one of my users registers they get 08T03he registration mail can12'03t be sent12.03 08C03ontact the administrator 12..03 0312--------------------------------------------------------------------------------03 0312..03 03that was a copy12/03paste12,03 sorry	[21:37]
jonnyb	tiki-admin.php?page=general	[21:39]
Walrus23	03i don12'03t understand how it can use the email system without me giving the authentication information to the 08CMS03	[21:39]
jonnyb	it's a server setup thing - maybe it's not set up? it usually is check the "Sender email" in admin/general is valid	[21:39]
Walrus23	03i know i12'03ve got the mail set up and everything	[21:41]
jonnyb	or try the test in the installer?	[21:41]
Walrus23	03i set up the mail account in c08P03anel12,03 and it has sent them properly before 03huh12?03	[21:41]
jonnyb	tiki-install.php	[21:42]
Joern\|afk	Walrus23: Do you use SMTP or sendmail in your email settings there is a bug in SMTP	[21:42]
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Walrus23	03iono 03my class is about to end12,03 i12'03ll have to go 03back in 121003 or so minutes	[21:42]
JoernOtt	on admin/general there is a setting "Mail sender" if it is sendmail, things should work	[21:43]
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jonnyb	bug in trunk still JoernOtt ? i did loads of them a while back	[21:44]
Walrus23	03i don12'03t see either sendmail or 08SMTP03 03hang on12,03 i need to moe to my next class 12-03 at university 03move12*03	[21:45]
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JoernOtt	jonnyb, yes my exim reports a syntax error in the EHLO line but i did not find the time to fix it yet was planning it for the weekend but I spent the time with friends and my brothers children instead	[21:46]
jonnyb	hmm, sounds grim - any chance you can fix it while you're nearby? ah, much better idea! :D	[21:47]
JoernOtt	we should merge the diffrent mail stuff to one zend class	[21:48]
jonnyb	glad you're on it (and onboard) yes please!	[21:48]
JoernOtt	sylvieg told me that there is some new zend stuff in one place and some old stuff in webmail etc	[21:48]
jonnyb	undoubtedly - it's about 50% done i i think (maybe 60%)	[21:49]
JoernOtt	hehe, I developed a SMTP proxy some time ago, so I should still remember most of the RFC But tomorrow and maybe wednesday I will have to finish another project first.	[21:53]
chealer	hi JoernOtt	[21:55]
JoernOtt	hi chealer you are Filipus, aren't you?	[21:55]
chealer	regarding the quick edit sentence, the formulation you propose is fine	[21:55]
JoernOtt	ok	[21:55]
chealer	:-)	[21:55]
jonnyb	sounds good - lots of people need it	[21:55]
JoernOtt	for a non-native speaker it is always a difficult thing to find a short and precise description I will do the commit tomorrow, it is already late and I am a bit tired	[21:56]
chealer	JoernOtt: English is my second language, I know it's complicated	[21:58]
JoernOtt	jonnyb, The email thing will probably be ready by sat/sun, depending on the existing code quality	[21:58]
chealer	even though I think it's the easiest natural language to learn for me no hurry	[21:58]
JoernOtt	chealer: Only the false friends and some typical thin gs in grammar	[21:59]
jonnyb	that would probably be monday then ;) that's why we do the 'fests	[21:59]
JoernOtt	I will go to Berlin	[21:59]
jonnyb	i can almost speak french sometimes i hope i can go - can't commit now	[21:59]
JoernOtt	well, my french is a bit rusty now, my little brother is far better than me, he worked in northern france, so he is practically a Sch'ti	[22:00]
chealer	chealer can only remember jonnyb say "Louiiis-Phiiliiippe"	[22:01]
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jonnyb	:)	[22:01]
PoisonDart	03i12'03m back 03have the thought juices been flowing12?03	[22:01]
JoernOtt	Walrus, isn't it	[22:01]
PoisonDart	03yep 03this is my default nick	[22:01]
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JoernOtt	go to the Admin page click on the "General" icon on the first tab, there is a fieldset labelled "Mail" The thirs option in there is "Mail sender"	[22:01]
Walrus23	03um12,03 no there isn12'03t 03tikiwiki version 123.303	[22:03]
JoernOtt	ok have to find a site with a version that old	[22:03]
Walrus23	03lol	[22:03]
JoernOtt	the oldest I have here is 4.2	[22:04]
Walrus23	03hmm	[22:04]
JoernOtt	do you have teamviewer or some way for me to look at the admin page?	[22:05]
Walrus23	03i can screencap12,03 i12'03m using mobile broadband 12-03 teamviewer is not a good idea	[22:06]
JoernOtt	k I just downloaded a 3.3 so I can look at the source	[22:06]
jonnyb	Walrus23: are you trying to get smtp mail working in tiki 3.3?	[22:10]
JoernOtt	he only wants mail no mater how *matter	[22:11]
Walrus23	03yeah	[22:11]
jonnyb	ok, it sends mails ok	[22:11]
Walrus23	03it12'03s only for email verification 03lol	[22:11]
jonnyb	usually ;)	[22:11]
Walrus23	03but in tiki12_03install12.03php it gave me an error 03told me to reiew the php12.03cfg i think	[22:12]
jonnyb	wow, you sure?	[22:12]
JoernOtt	if you have access to the protocols of the mail server, you might see the cause for the error	[22:12]
Walrus23	0308R03eview the mail settings in your php12.03ini file 12(03for example12:03 confirm that the sendmail12_03path is correct12).03 08I03f your host requires 08SMTP03 authentication12,03 additional configuration may be necessary12.03 03hmm Walrus23 strokes goatee	[22:13]
JoernOtt	I had a mx once where someone blocked localhost on port 25	[22:13]
jonnyb	me2	[22:13]
JoernOtt	that kills most php mail stuff most efficiently sadly it also killed the useful stuff	[22:14]
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JoernOtt	walrus: Create a php file with <?php print_r(mail('your@email.com', 'Testmail', 'Just a test')); and call that file either form a browser or the command line php	[22:18]
PoisonDart	03whoops	[22:18]
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PoisonDart	03uhh12,03 mind12=03blank	[22:19]
JoernOtt	well, I am off to bed nn	[22:21]
PoisonDart	03could it be that i have no php12.03ini file12?03	[22:21]
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white\|zzzzzzzz	depending on the os, it is in /etc or /etc/php5/apache2/ or so just do a find /etc -iname php.ini	[22:22]
PoisonDart	03i dont have shell access	[22:24]
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PoisonDart	03meh i12'03ll do it later	[22:31]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28418 10/trunk/lib/fckeditor_tiki/plugins/tikilink/templates/fck_tikilink.tpl: [FIX] Probably redundant but removing incorrect call to getElementById()	[23:28]
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PoisonDart	03am back	[23:37]
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Walrus23	03is there a reason why i dont see a mail cluster in general 12>03 admin12?03 03other way round 03admin 12>03 general 03sorry	[23:37]
jonnyb	v3.3?	[23:40]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28419 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (24 files in 7 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD][KIL][FIX] textareas: Replace area_name throughout with area_id becasue it should be, and remove JS function getElementById then mend most places where things broke. tikiwiki: Also implement jQuery optimisations in a few places.	[23:40]
jonnyb	should be around there somewhere	[23:40]
luciash	it wasn't supported in versions prior to 4.x	[23:40]
Walrus23	03o 03so what can i do then12?03	[23:41]
jonnyb	or not ;) thx luciash	[23:41]
luciash	only system mailer way was supported in older versions	[23:41]
Walrus23	03and where is hte admin for that12?03	[23:41]
jonnyb	off2bed	[23:41]
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Walrus23	03i don12'03t care what i use12,03 as long as it works	[23:41]
luciash	you need to ask your hosting provider if it supports php mail function via sendmail or postfix or whatever they use	[23:42]
Walrus23	03hmm	[23:42]
luciash	or upgrade tiki	[23:42]
Walrus23	0312O.O03 03upgrade tiki12!!?03 03that severs my database doesnt it12?03	[23:42]
luciash	most hostings allow sending mail via php from cms, but if you need smtp, you need at least 4.x nope, db upgrade is mostly safe via tiki-install.php (but always better to back up) you can ask them first about your mail problem first before you upgrade	[23:44]
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luciash	maybe they allow local php.ini per user instead of the system one or they can offer another solution	[23:46]
Walrus23	03yeah 03i12'03m with heliohost12,03 i12'03ll have to post on the forum	[23:46]
luciash	ok, i don't know this one	[23:47]
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