#tikiwiki 2010-08-10,Tue

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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28421 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 28414 to 28418	[00:07]
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ChefTim	Hi. Having a permissions problem. The create new wiki page isn't showing up for registered users in the menu. Checked menu permissions and wiki permissions. Wiki_p_view and wiki_p_edit is set. Not sure where else to look to get this to show for registered users.	[05:01]
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chibaguy	ChefTim: The wiki-related permissions are tiki_p_view, etc. Was 'Wiki_p_view' a typo, in your message here?	[05:24]
ChefTim	yes I meant tiki :) the menu option I am referring to links to http://site/tiki-listpages.php?cookietab=2#tab2	[05:24]
chibaguy	And the menu item doesn't display for registered users?	[05:27]
ChefTim	only for admin even if I go directly to the link, via address bar, it only lists pages but not the create new page tab with a registered user that is	[05:27]
chibaguy	Can registered users access http://site/tiki-listpages.php?cookietab=2#tab2 directly?	[05:29]
ChefTim	I have been stumbling around for a while learning things so I imagine I changed a setting somewhere that affects this. I am having a hard time finding what I did to break it.	[05:31]
chibaguy	Hmm, looking at the wiki-related permissions, seems like you've set the ones you need, already. Can registered users access http://site/tiki-listpages.php ?	[05:32]
ChefTim	thats what I thought. Would changing the name of the menu item affect it? I changed it to "Add a new article"	[05:33]
chibaguy	No, changing the name shouldn't make a difference.	[05:34]
ChefTim	Yes registered can access that page. No option for adding new wiki page	[05:34]
chibaguy	What version of Tiki is this?	[05:35]
ChefTim	5	[05:35]
chibaguy	The code in tiki-listpages.tpl says "{if $tiki_p_edit == 'y'}"then show tab2.... so with that permission, the user should see the tab.	[05:36]
ChefTim	I haven't touched any of the .tpl pages yet err files	[05:37]
chibaguy	I don't know what to suggest other than double-checking the permissions for the registered group. Can a Registered user make a new wiki page with a url like http://site/tiki-editpage.php?page=NewPage ?	[05:38]
ChefTim	one moment yes	[05:39]
chibaguy	Well, I just tested at a Tiki 5.0 site, logged in as a Registered user, and could access tab2.	[05:42]
ChefTim	just double checked permissions tiki_p_view is set to anonymouse and tiki_p_edit is set to registered could it have to do with me creating a "system" category and making those only editable by admin. the homepage is in the system category	[05:43]
chibaguy	It shouldn't matter that there are categories, as a rule. Presumably a registered user can still create/edit an uncategorized page. Try clearing your site's caches at tiki-admin_system.php.	[05:44]
ChefTim	cleared no change. Just noticed that with registered user where the "create new page" would be if I was logged as admin is an empty box linking to tiki_index.php	[05:49]
chibaguy	In the menu?	[05:53]
ChefTim	yes it is a top bar menu if that makes a difference the "application menu"	[05:54]
chibaguy	It seems like the first problem is that tab2 on tiki-listpages.php isn't accessible to Registered users. Probably the menu would work if it was. What if you temporarily change tab2 to tab1 on the menu item?	[05:57]
ChefTim	I think I may have isolated the problem. In the menu listing it has in the permissions box "tiki_p_view,tiki_p_edit" If I remove those it shows up for registered users	[05:57]
chibaguy	oh, ok. But what about accessing http://site/tiki-listpages.php?cookietab=2#tab2 ?	[05:58]
ChefTim	after removing those permissions it shows at the bottom of the list rather than as a seperate tab	[05:59]
chibaguy	Does tiki-listpages.php display normally (with tabs) for admin?	[06:00]
ChefTim	I am only seeing one tab. for list wiki pages wait wanst logged ok. Yes both tabs showing for admin and for registered after removing "tiki_p_view,tiki_p_edit" - checking anonymous not showing for anonymous	[06:02]
chibaguy	Well, anonymous shouldn't have permission for tab2.	[06:05]
ChefTim	appears to be fixed. confused I am If I never changed the permissions entry in the menu how did it get broke and why does removing "tiki_p_view,tiki_p_edit" from that entry fix it?	[06:05]
chibaguy	Ah, I think when permissions are set for menu items, for pages that also have permissions set, it may mess things up. I think the permission for the menu item visibility is determined based on the permission for the page/object it points to. (It didn't used to work this way, but for several releases now, it's automatic.)	[06:06]
ChefTim	possibly having to do with my setting categories and category permissions and making all pages be categorized?	[06:08]
chibaguy	That could be a factor, too, if Registered doesn't have tiki_p_view_categorized. But if Registered can create a new wiki page, he should be able to access tab2 of tiki-listpages.php. I think the redundant permission settings were what caused the problem in the menu.	[06:09]
ChefTim	ok. well until I understand tikiwiki better I'll just not question this and let it be for now. :) TYVM chibaguy	[06:15]
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chibaguy	sure	[06:17]
	chibaguy makes a mental note to check what's said about menus and permissions at doc.tw.o, if it's up to date, etc.	[06:29]
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yoni	hi, does somone has some experiences with bigbluebutton ?	[07:04]
chibaguy	hi yoni. I've used BBB just as a normal user. (Tiki's live.tikiwiki.org) got to go now but will bbl.	[07:08]
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ChefTim	created a user module with wiki text in it. broke site. how to fix?	[09:01]
	i found the module in the db. should I remove it or change a field?	[09:13]
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escamoteur	HELP!! I cannot admin any settings anymore I really didn't change anything, but when I go to admin home and click on any settings, It shows that its loading something for quite a while and then nothing happens I'm using Tiki5	[10:04]
sylvieg	perharps you are missing file /image s- and something change in the cache check the error log of your server	[10:19]
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escamoteur	where do I find the log? I already cleared all caches Before I already had the problem that not all Configpages where visible, but know I don't get any of them	[10:28]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28422 10/trunk/tiki-admin_include_i18n.php: [FIX]i18l: do not check if file exists	[10:34]
jonnyb	which log escamoteur ?	[10:37]
escamoteur	Hi jonnyb I have this problem I really didn't change anything, but when I go to admin home and click on any settings, It shows that its loading something for quite a while and then nothing happens I'm using Tiki5	[10:42]
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jonnyb	do you see any javascript errors (in the error console) of the browser	[10:43]
Freud_77	how do I allow external images with WYSIWYG editor? The entered URL is replaced with "mydomain.duh/tiki5/browse?=id2" but I really need the real URL, so as not to need to upload the images...	[10:43]
escamoteur	I check it	[10:44]
jonnyb	Freud_77: it's probably buggy - try editing the source and saving	[10:44]
Freud_77	It does seem rather intentional...as if not to allow onther images than the uploaded ones...the URL is changed upon saving the edit	[10:45]
jonnyb	there's some really odd code in there - it never really worked imho i'm in the process of sorting it out for tiki 6	[10:46]
Freud_77	It looks to me as if you somehow ride on the fck image plugin and then modify the outcome(i tried looking at the code but i'm totally PHP blind...)	[10:47]
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escamoteur	oh, yes, there is an exception:Fehler: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMLocation.host]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://google-toolbar-lib/content/toolbar.js :: anonymous :: line 1167" data: no]	[10:54]
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jonnyb	escamoteur: try turning off js minify and/or ajax	[10:55]
escamoteur	where can I do this as I can't access any admin panel. But why can this happen? It worked all the last days what is minify?	[10:56]
jonnyb	indeed odd do you have ajax on? tiki-admin.php?page=features&cookietab=4	[10:57]
escamoteur	yes, I have it active	[10:59]
jonnyb	and with it off?	[10:59]
escamoteur	I just turned it off, a moment	[11:00]
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escamoteur	strange, now it works again But as I said, it was ok since I installed it.	[11:05]
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jonnyb	hmmm, someone's broken the parser in trunk :(	[11:13]
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t4ttyt3ddy	Hi I am trying to build a list of users who are a member of a certain group. Can anyone help?	[11:20]
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jonnyb	hi t4ttyt3ddy - try http://doc.tikiwiki.org/plugingroup	[11:21]
ricks99	on the Admin: Groups page, there's a tab to list all group members	[11:21]
jonnyb	hi ricks99 have you noticed bad things in the trunk parser?	[11:22]
ricks99	havent looked to be honest.	[11:23]
t4ttyt3ddy	I would like to do this in code as it is to populate a custom list.	[11:23]
ricks99	ricks99 has only had 1 cup of coffee so far	[11:24]
jonnyb	seems [[not a link] has stopped working	[11:24]
ricks99	i also noteiced in 5.0 that {VERSION} plugin is broke (again)	[11:25]
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jonnyb	sigh	[11:25]
ricks99	the parser ignores the first line after the {VERSION} if the line starts with #	[11:26]
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jonnyb	ricks99: that's only slightly broken... 23 failures in the tests in trunk now in the main parser code :(	[11:31]
ricks99	ouch!	[11:31]
jonnyb	not good when dealing with an experimental branch and being very careful not to break stuff! (if it's broken already ;) )	[11:32]
sylvieg	did sept_7 committ something some months ago	[11:32]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28423 10/trunk/templates/tiki-send_newsletters.tpl: [FIX]newsletter: this param in jq seems to fix add files	[11:33]
jonnyb	hi sylvieg - almost certainly but we ran the unit tests in barcelona (LPH showed me how!) and they were ok now they're broken looks like the parser is adding <br /> to everything	[11:34]
sylvieg	sine barcelona ... it is not a log time ago	[11:35]
jonnyb	no, and i've reviewed diffs of each commit to tikilib.php since then	[11:35]
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jonnyb	all seem innocent	[11:35]
sylvieg	I added the line not to add <br/> if is_html - but it was before Barcelona try to comment the diabolic line 6764 in lib/tikilib.php	[11:36]
jonnyb	the tests shouldn't take any notice of prefs should they? :D	[11:37]
sylvieg	no idea about the tests - I did not know they exist	[11:38]
jonnyb	no, but they're a good thing, i think should do some docs on them (maybe there already is)	[11:38]
sylvieg	yes probably - but enough communication on thig to be adopted by everybody	[11:39]
jonnyb	short version: install phpunit (via PEAR), cd lib/test, run: phpunit ./ on a related topic - what is $simple_wiki for, and can we KIL it?	[11:39]
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vishnu__	Hello! someone there?	[11:41]
jonnyb	not telling	[11:41]
vishnu__	hey folks, i've got a problem with file galleries feature in tiki	[11:42]
sylvieg	simple_wiki exists since at least 2006	[11:43]
vishnu__	once the file is uploaded (.pdf format) into file galleries, if someone downloads it afterwards.. the each page of the file is just blank.	[11:43]
jonnyb	it was some sort of compromise to get fckeditor a bit less broken i think	[11:43]
vishnu__	how can I solve this?	[11:44]
ricks99	are you storing the files in the database or directory?	[11:45]
jonnyb	sounds nasty vishnu__ what version of tiki? are the files in the db, does it happen with new uploads?	[11:45]
vishnu__	I guess so, I've uploaded the file with 'upload' feature in file galleries section. yes, happens with every upload	[11:46]
ricks99	are you using the database or file directory? ther is a known issue in 5.0 with possible coruptions when uploaidng with db (due to encoding issues). see relnotes for details	[11:46]
sylvieg	http://tikiwiki.org/ReleaseNotes5.0#Corrupted_file_uploads	[11:47]
vishnu__	pardon, i do not understand the db or file directory question. And the link you gave seems to solve the character encoding issues. i'm afraid this might be different, every page of the pdf file just turned blank! i'm using tiki after installing lampstack packages	[11:49]
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ricks99	on your Admin: File Gallery page, are you storing the files in the DB or file directory? Pls see doocs for details: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/File+Gallery+Config	[11:51]
vishnu__	okay, please give me a moment, thanks in the db files are being stored in db	[11:52]
ricks99	i suggest changing to flie ricks99 finds that file is much better than db for performance, also means that google can crawl the uploads	[11:57]
vishnu__	path i provided is this. /www/tiki/files/uploads/ error: Cannot write to this file:/www/tiki/files/uploads/c754224c984626b66bef1a6be490ddd9	[12:00]
ricks99	need to make the directory writeable	[12:00]
vishnu__	I am using this feature in intranet community, i think the directory is writeable anyway I'll check that once, thanks for your time and help	[12:01]
ricks99	k	[12:01]
vishnu__	One more thing, I assume only users see these enabled features after logging in. How can I enable these for anonymous users too, as in, the moment they land on homepage they should have access to some of these. tried setting permission for anonymous users, but not much help there	[12:02]
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ricks99	after enabling specific features, you need to grant each group specific permissions to use the feature see docs for detials: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Permissions this primer may help, too: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/ <shamless plug>	[12:04]
vishnu__	Okay, thanks for your time mate	[12:06]
ricks99	you're welcome	[12:06]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28424 10/trunk/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: [FIX] Tests: TikiLib_WikiParserTest expects feature_wiki_paragraph_formatting to be off	[12:13]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3513 - - Anrticle post notificaiton should correctly parse the body - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3513	[12:24]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28425 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 28418 to 28424	[12:28]
luciash	polom	[12:28]
jonnyb	polom luciash	[12:28]
luciash	hi jonny	[12:28]
jonnyb	i'm going to backport where i've got to in my experimental branch - lots of background fixes to the textareas, shouldn't really change anything apart from a few improvements	[12:32]
luciash	lets hope :)	[12:32]
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jonnyb	the theory is they'll get spotted quicker in trunk, and won't build up into a merging nightmare later it's available for testing on http://alcns.net :)	[12:33]
luciash	ok, but sorry, no time to test now	[12:35]
jonnyb	np	[12:35]
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RavenC	hi everyone	[12:38]
luciash	hi RavenC	[12:40]
Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3513 - - Article post notification should correctly parse the body - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3513	[12:44]
luciash	hmm, i have a problem with profiles - don't know what's the best way to handle HTML in wiki page created by profile... if i use HTML plugin it needs approval, if i use allow HTML, it needs the perm too and check the checkbox and re-save the wiki page... or is there any easy way to use HTML in profile but not affect whole site where it is going to be installed ?	[12:53]
jonnyb	do you really (really) need html? can't do it with {DIV()}, {JQ} etc?	[12:54]
luciash	is directing the site admin to tiki-plugins.php the "least bad evil" ? jonnyb: yes, really ;)	[12:54]
jonnyb	we have a few plugs that need approval in the pretty tracker tpls in barter - you just need to approve them before it works - not ideal...	[12:55]
luciash	jonnyb: it's all unnecessary complicated to build up with wikiplugins and unnecessary parsing for already that slow Tiki when just used as templates	[12:56]
jonnyb	i guess so	[12:56]
luciash	yes not ideal but if there's no other way, i will use HTML plugin and tell the site admin to approve all after applying the profile i guess	[12:56]
jonnyb	seems safest	[12:57]
luciash	i thought tiki_p_trust_input for Admins would do the trick for profiles applied by admin, but it didn't :-/	[12:58]
jonnyb	sadly not, it doesn't do plugin approval	[13:02]
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luciash	well, the description of the perm suggested that (including plugins) but maybe i misunderstood	[13:07]
sylvieg	sylvieg has the same problem with batch (perms and plugin validation) for datachannel you have to say wich group the instructions a reinterpreted - I do not know if the same apply to profiles	[13:08]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28426 10/trunk/ (25 files in 8 dirs): tikiwiki: [bp/r28419 & r28420][MOD][KIL][FIX] textareas: Replace area_name throughout with area_id becasue it should be, and remove JS function getElementById then mend most places where things broke. tikiwiki: Also implement jQuery optimisations in a few places.	[13:10]
luciash	sylvieg: batch perms were easy with permission levels which jonny removed iirc	[13:13]
sylvieg	luciash: Do I miss something?	[13:14]
luciash	you maybe miss them :) the levels	[13:15]
sylvieg	humm ... /me hopes not trying to solve something hat is solved already	[13:16]
luciash	in Tiki 3.x on the old assign perms for groups page, there was extra feature down on the page where you could easily select a "level" of perms (basic, editors, admins) and apply it in batch to groups they could be customized so you could decide which perm to put into which level	[13:18]
sylvieg	.. I am speaking about cron/job batch job for instance how to send a newsletter with a cron	[13:18]
luciash	ah, cron, oups, misunderstood then	[13:18]
sylvieg	I need the tiki_p_send_newsletters at this point + the plugin approvals + ...	[13:19]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28427 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.toolbars.php: [FIX] Textareas: Set $rows and $cols in smarty for old html textareas that expect it. tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r28428 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin_tracker_fields.tpl: [MOD]Exporting and importing tracker fields now includes description text and the checkbox for parsing description. Waiting for somebody to create the new BRANCH proposals/5x so that I can backport it to 5x	[13:31]
	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28429 10/trunk/tiki-send_newsletters.php: [ENH]newsletter: url param nlId=x&resendEditionId=y to resent a already sent edition of a newsletter	[13:39]
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luciash	if somebody creates the branch proposals/5x i am willing to join the QT to help with the proposals	[13:40]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28430 10/branches/experimental/wysiwyg_ckeditor_update/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 28424 to 28428	[13:40]
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neil__	my istallation of tiki 5.0 is showing blank pages after I made an entry in the custom html head content... can anyone tell me how to undo the changes? please!	[13:50]
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RyanWP	Hello everyone[13:51] <luciash> neil__: go to database and search for it in tiki-preferences table Quick question: Do php globals still work in the SQL plugin?	[13:50]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28431 10/third_party/ckeditor/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Update to ckeditor 3.3.2	[13:53]
sylvieg	RyanWP: yes	[13:57]
RyanWP	Hmmm	[14:00]
neil__	tiki-preferences table unfortunately does not show me the content that I had inserted into custom html head content	[14:00]
RyanWP	{SQL(db=>sqlplug, 0=>$user)} SELECT email FROM users_users{SQL} That works {SQL(db=>sqlplug, 0=>$user)} SELECT email FROM users_users WHERE login=?{SQL} That returns a missing DB param	[14:00]
ricks99	@neil__: see http://bit.ly/9cQi19	[14:01]
neil__	thanks ricks99!	[14:03]
ricks99	you're welcome	[14:08]
RyanWP	Anyone have any idea why?	[14:13]
sylvieg	RyanWP:perhaps this plugin works only with adodb / pdo - try to change in db/local.php this plugin is crazy - better to learn how to write a plugin	[14:16]
luciash	is $user right ? shouldn't be in quotes or without $ ?	[14:17]
RyanWP	That's how the example was written on the plugin help page, but let me check	[14:20]
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RyanWP	Still missing param with no $ and/or in quotes. From what I saw, everything was already in ADO, but I'll look Write a plugin? Man, all I want to do is output quiz results for a single user and by group	[14:23]
luciash	try if {SQL(db=>sqlplug, 0=>admin)} works ?	[14:27]
RyanWP	Nope Crap - it looks like it's not pulling the variable into the SQL	[14:27]
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RyanWP	I wonder if the DBReport plugin works any better	[14:41]
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luciash	profile wiki page handler cannot set any page properties, like tags, description or allow HTML , right ?	[15:41]
xavi	hi luciash. sorry no idea myself afaik, tags are not implemented in profiles for the others, maybe some param is missing somewhere for them to work... but I dunno wht nor where, sorry	[15:42]
luciash	i mean freetags, sorry but most wanted would be the allow HTML checkbox actually :) (for me now) to be already checked at page creation	[15:43]
sylvieg	luciash: should not be to hard to add goto lib/profilelib/installib.php	[15:47]
luciash	ok, there	[15:49]
sylvieg	function Tiki_Profile_InstallHandler_WikiPage add private $ishtml	[15:49]
luciash	ok	[15:50]
sylvieg	tryeing to find something similar - but not all the handlers have the same waqy do not find really	[15:53]
luciash	yea, all the others are text except the structure one	[15:56]
sylvieg	so in fetchData younee something to $this->iSHtaml = $data['isHtml'] and in the create_page later or update to put the $this->isHtml	[15:56]
luciash	that's going beyond my skillz :)	[15:58]
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sylvieg	sorry my actual free time used for xavi cron newsletters is asking me already too much	[16:01]
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sylvieg	could help later when this task is finished	[16:01]
j0n3	byee	[16:01]
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luciash	sylvie: no problem, same here :)	[16:19]
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xavi	mmm, anybody knows how to branch 5x?	[16:33]
jonnyb	hi xavi - no, sorry it can't be that hard, i just don't have time to find out how	[16:33]
xavi	if documented somewhere, I can do it (guided by someone)	[16:34]
jonnyb	it's not on SVNTips i checked	[16:34]
xavi	ok, fair enough, you've invested enough time with release candiates and 51... xavi didn't want to disturb jonnyb	[16:34]
jonnyb	nyloth has done the previous ones, and he seems to have gone off-radar	[16:35]
xavi	mmm, I'm tempted to google for svn branch...	[16:35]
jonnyb	no probs xavi :)	[16:35]
xavi	xavi killing his older desktop computer due to installing a few eclipse plugins... jonnyb, thanks for your tips with aptana/eclipse while in Barcelona	[16:36]
jonnyb	glad to help - still going ok?	[16:37]
xavi	This morning I managed to find out quickly (once I had eclipse and the bunch of necessary extra plugins) how to extend trackers in trunk to allow including the description in the fields... so I'm pushing the limits of my desktop computer by attempting to use eclipse also here.... xavi is considering to use the dual core macbookpro laptop as a server to run eclipse from the slower (but much bigger dual-screen setup) desktop s/the description in the fields/the description in the fields at "exporting/importing fields" time	[16:37]
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luciash	wth am i forced now to put email address for my admin account in trunk now ? for fresh install just to test on my localhost i don't need that + go back doesn't work saying "Invalid username" error - useless button	[16:53]
Andurino	hello any speak spanish?	[16:54]
ricks99	otherwise, possible for admin to forget their login and not be able to use FORGOT PASSWORD link	[16:54]
luciash	ricks99: but this is stupid implementation hello Andurino	[16:55]
ricks99	havent seen trunk yet but in 5.x it was optional field on the installer was possible to leave blank	[16:55]
luciash	yes, trunk is different now, it is in the installer too, but then when changing admin password after going from installer to tiki it asks again :( better would be to ask in installer if i really am sure to leave it blank and not to ask it twice and force me to fill in some	[16:56]
ricks99	agreed	[16:57]
luciash	same with the password length change... why you force me to put 5 characters... i was happy with 4 characters in my localhost	[16:58]
ricks99	ricks99 too missed the discussion about changing the minimum pw length	[16:59]
luciash	5 characters are not any bigger security if you don't use mixed letters numbers or special chars anyway	[17:00]
chealer	polom	[17:01]
luciash	polom chealer	[17:01]
chealer	chealer trying Aptana again	[17:01]
luciash	Aptana on Linux kinda sucks same with Eclipse if you don't know all the workarounds to get all the plugins fully working	[17:01]
chealer	hi luciash. so you think Aptana is more buggy on Linux than on Windows?	[17:03]
luciash	luciash recently used Eclipse and kept overwriting his code madly hitting the insert key all the time ;) vim syndrom	[17:03]
xavi	hi chealer and Andurino	[17:04]
chealer	I know Eclipse is really bad on Debian	[17:04]
luciash	not buggy, but the integration with the environment is worse i think	[17:04]
chealer	hi xavi	[17:04]
xavi	xavi recently working on eclipse on powerful-enough machines (kde apps require less hardware)	[17:04]
luciash	like all the tricks to get the internal browser working, sometimes svn fails	[17:04]
chealer	luciash: 5 characters password are on average more secure than passwords under 5 chars. password strength evaluation is always heuristic	[17:05]
xavi	Andurino: este canal es en inglés, en teoría.	[17:05]
luciash	hola xavi, congrats for being first (catalans) to ban the corrida	[17:06]
xavi	:-) yes, that was a good one! sometimes our politicians pass some sensible laws	[17:06]
luciash	:-)	[17:07]
jonnyb	jonnyb has finally got a custom button to appear in ckeditor and is most pleased with himself	[17:08]
luciash	jonnyb rocks :)	[17:08]
xavi	unluckily, they didn't even want to discuss publicly about the Genetically Modified Organisms... and it was sent to the parliament the same day (more than 1 year ago) that the proposals for banning bull "corrida" was sent xavi waves to jonnyb	[17:08]
jonnyb	:)	[17:08]
chealer	I changed some passwords from 1234 to 12345. but recently I lost the admin passwords for 2 to 4 installs I'm wondering if that's because of the requirement to change password or something else jonnyb: interesting :-)	[17:09]
xavi	jonnyb: I tested this morning you ckeditor branch in alcns server... silently are you expecting feedback already, from what you have there, or later, once you move forward a bit more?	[17:10]
jonnyb	it's only a taster so far, generally broken, but fixes coming soon	[17:11]
xavi	ok, I'll wait then before testing again and reporting issues (I was missing some line breaks, aqfter playing a bit, probably due to some interaction with the auto-save option)=	[17:12]
jonnyb	no, what's there is just refactoring, and i've merged most of it back into trunk already - should be no effect so far (maybe a bit quicker?)	[17:12]
xavi	no idea if quicker, sorry	[17:13]
luciash	interesting: Fatal error: Call to a member function getRequiredProfiles() on a non-object in /home/luci/Development/tikitrunkprofiles/lib/profilelib/installlib.php on line 131 it wasn't like that two hours ago... did i broke something ? hmm :) actually, i don't think so, i didn't save the file... did someone commit some change in there in between ? doesn't look like ... weird i tried again and now no error, nothing changed, weird	[17:13]
chealer	jonnyb: when http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Development+Environment%3A+XAMPP-Aptana says to install "Ajax Libraries (all)", does that mean we should install everything under Ajax Frameworks: Aflax, Dojo, EXT, jQuery, Mootools, Rico, YUI, etc.?	[17:19]
jonnyb	doesn't seem to make much difference - i just include jquery (but it doesn't seem to do anything)	[17:20]
chealer	ok	[17:20]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r28437 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [KIL] default home page content in french is missing all the info about profiles	[17:22]
chealer	oh, so that image encoding thread meant all/most images on dev.tw.o are broken :-? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Development+Environment%3A+XAMPP-Aptana :-(	[17:24]
luciash	[KIL] ? i thought it is used for removed files only ?	[17:25]
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Andurino	gracias xavi, me interesa el tema tikiwiki pero no entiendo correctamente el ingles por eso pregunte si alguien hablaba español	[17:40]
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Andurino	por lo poco que puedo entender es que estais hablando sobre entornos de desarrollo (herramientas) necesarias si es que ello es asi sorry for all user that not speak spanish	[17:43]
xavi	Andurino: this channel is supposed to be in English see my message in the other tab	[17:44]
Andurino	I am sorry, i only speak spanish (my enghis are limited and not is corret)	[17:46]
luciash	Andurino: you can chat in private with xavi or go for #tikiwiki-es or #tikiwiki-ca	[17:47]
xavi	Andurino: see my private message Andurino: mira en la otra pestaña de tu programa de chat. the he enviado un mensaje privado hace rato	[17:47]
Andurino	#tikiwiki-es oh thank i dont konow this	[17:48]
xavi	Andurino: use the Spanish forum (I'm afraid there is nobody in #tikiwiki-es ), or the private chat here luciash or chealer: I've just installed sshd on one of my machines at home, but I don't seem to get it running when I logout from that machine. do you know how to have the service up and running even if no user is logged in that server?	[17:49]
luciash	you need to have at least one user running it, no ? is sshd run by sshd or root "user" ?	[17:54]
chealer	xavi: on which operating system?	[17:54]
xavi	chealer: ubuntu luciash: no idea. when I log in as user in the server, I can connect from the client when I logout from the server, I cannot connect from the client	[17:59]
chealer	xavi: how is sshd started?	[18:00]
luciash	xavi: what about using screen there instead of logout ? screen -U	[18:01]
xavi	I did start it through: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start (I think)	[18:01]
luciash	then detach the screen session using ctrl+alt+d	[18:02]
xavi	or sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start (I don't remember) luciash: I can leave the session blocked, but I ws just wondering why the service is not run at startup before any user logs in	[18:02]
luciash	then when you come back re-attach to the screen session using screen -Ux XXXX where XXXX is the PID of the session (you'll get list using screen -list)	[18:03]
xavi	I'm using NXClient to connect to the server, etc. frmo nomachine (gpl'd edition)	[18:03]
luciash	xavi: you need to at it to start at bootup	[18:04]
chealer	xavi: did you check your log (auth)? xavi: I don't know Ubuntu, but do you have openssh-server? it looks like Aptana is working decently for the first time	[18:04]
xavi	chealer, yes, I installed openssh-server, which allows ssh connections. The question is that I don't seem to login when no user is logged at teh server as if sshd is not running when no user is logged	[18:07]
chealer	luciash: I think of [KIL] as for removing features, though indeed the description mentions files. I agree that's a stretched use of [KIL] anyway.	[18:08]
xavi	I wonder how/where in debian based distro's the services are stored/set , so that they are up at boot time	[18:08]
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xavi	luciash: how do you start a program (ssh in this case) at boot up?	[18:09]
chealer	xavi: I understand, but I have no idea why sshd wouldn't be automatically started (except some Ubuntu issue)	[18:09]
xavi	chealer: ok, thanks	[18:09]
luciash	xavi: i add it to services xavi: you want it GUI way or command line ?	[18:09]
xavi	luciash: how do you do that? I have bum (Boot-up-manager), but it doesn't seem to work well enough. so comand line is fine	[18:09]
chealer	xavi: on Debian (and presumably Ubuntu), /etc/rc?.d/ determines what services run in each runlevel.	[18:10]
xavi	ok. and which is the runlevel usually taken by default?	[18:11]
luciash	xavi: I use BootUp-Manager too	[18:11]
xavi	ah,I see thanks chealer	[18:12]
luciash	rc5 i think	[18:12]
xavi	those folders contain just symlinks! easy! thanks luciash for tip	[18:12]
chealer	xavi: on Debian, the default [multiuser] runlevel is 2 xavi: and there's documentation in /etc/init.d/README	[18:13]
xavi	thks	[18:14]
luciash	Use the update-rc.d command to create symbolic links in the /etc/rc?.d as appropriate. See that man page for more details. from the README ;)	[18:15]
xavi	oups, I didn't do it like this (didn't RTFM :-/ ). I did create symlinks as usual.... and server is rebooting alreeady xavi crosses his fingers hehe, it didn't work. This time I'll read the manual :-)thanks luciash for the tip	[18:18]
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xavi	luciash: fyi: ubuntu since karmic boots up with no run level and that's why those issues I have http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1412157 ok, I skip this, and log in the server to allow remote connections easy workaround :-)	[18:45]
luciash	ah, or use the screen session	[18:50]
xavi	screen session? I'm using NXCLient . What's this screen thing? xavi rading the manual for screen reading	[18:51]
luciash	apt-get install screen ;)	[18:52]
xavi	I seem to have it installed	[18:52]
luciash	it is useful to stay running multiple user sessions under one logged in user in console with possibility to detach and logout and then come later, login and reattach the running session where you left last time	[18:53]
xavi	oups, way too long man page for me at this time of the day	[18:53]
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xavi	NXClient does fine enough for me :-)	[18:53]
luciash	i use it mainly to run irssi (console irc client) in it on my server so i always see all messages as i stay permanently logged in the channel	[18:54]
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luciash	yes, but NX is graphical, right ?	[18:54]
xavi	luciash: ok, I see yes, NX is full GUI programs :-) chealer: you were right: the problem with the run level thing is specific from ubuntu. it seems to boot gdm without setting any runlevel yet since ubuntu karmic	[18:54]
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fabricius	hi	[18:57]
luciash	dog walk, bbl	[18:58]
sylvieg	the thrd person in a month that complain to see the cached information as anonymous	[19:12]
luciash	luciash is back sylvieg: wut ?	[19:17]
sylvieg	they do not like anonymous to see the page is cached.... It makes sense in a way	[19:17]
luciash	i don't understand u mean the icon ?	[19:18]
sylvieg	the icon and the text 'Cached' - because this user does not care if it is cached and even do not understand the concept..	[19:18]
luciash	then just hide it by CSS	[19:18]
sylvieg	there is no css for (Cached) you think it does not deserve a perm	[19:19]
luciash	hmm, i have it hidden somehow	[19:20]
sylvieg	I though I try some time ago to do that - but I did not commit for a reason - I do not remember.... getting old	[19:20]
luciash	i have only the icon there, no "Cached" text	[19:21]
sylvieg	This makes sense .. but a .wikitopline smaal{display:none;} is dirty	[19:21]
luciash	yes :)	[19:23]
sylvieg	... do we really need to see the text - if we have the icon? I am almost ready to delete that informatin	[19:24]
luciash	well, i don't, but someone can insist on it somehow	[19:25]
sylvieg	so .. a perm tiki_p_refresh_wiki_cache :-( I do not know	[19:26]
ricks99	just replace the png file with a 1px transparent image	[19:28]
sylvieg	And what do I do with teh text?	[19:29]
luciash	tiki_p_view_icon_refresh	[19:30]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders what is next? tiki_p_view_icon_lock, tiki_p_view_icon_foo... etc?	[19:31]
luciash	tiki_p_view_icons_all :-p	[19:31]
sylvieg	yes I know ... :-)	[19:31]
luciash	i also think it is not necessary as it can be hidden by CSS rather add class	[19:32]
sylvieg	it is why I am talking with you - thx for the help - I really do not know	[19:32]
luciash	if missing add class="icon refresh"	[19:32]
ricks99	just curiours... how will users know if they're looking at stale data?	[19:32]
luciash	or around the whole <span class="refresh">...<img class="icon" ... /></span>	[19:33]
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sylvieg	because a lot of tiki webmaster cache also page taht are simple wiki	[19:33]
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luciash	some users do not need that to know if cache is 15 mins it doesn't matter that much	[19:33]
sylvieg	sylvieg is nto sure taht tiki is faster with cache on simple page	[19:34]
ricks99	depends on what change din tha t15 minutes. :-)	[19:34]
luciash	sylvieg: add a span with class around it in tpl sylvieg: no perm necessary	[19:34]
sylvieg	ok	[19:34]
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sylvieg	no idea what tiki-view_cache.php is doing?	[19:40]
luciash	you can view cached pages there the external ones (maybe)	[19:41]
xavi	sylvieg or chealer (or anyone else): do you know how to create the new branch proposals/5x ? hi ricks99	[19:41]
sylvieg	I do not know - no idea if the doc is updated	[19:42]
ricks99	hi xavi	[19:43]
luciash	i think it should be same as with experimental http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SVNTips#Handling_branches	[19:43]
sylvieg	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SVNTips#Handling_branches? :-)	[19:43]
luciash	:)	[19:43]
xavi	ok, :-) xavi goes reading TFM :-)	[19:43]
sylvieg	so svn co tiki5 proposed/5.x; php doc/devtools/svnbranch.php branches/proposed/tiki5.x ?	[19:44]
chealer	xavi: not by heart, but I'd rather leave that to the QT	[19:45]
xavi	chealer: yes, I was hoping that they could do, but jonnyb explicitly requested anyone else to do, and I have sylvieg too busy with other things,..... so If I can do this... I can have her time devoted to things that I can't do :-) I'll update the doc with what I learned	[19:46]
escamoteur	Hi, I have some problems with the editor in forum posts	[19:46]
luciash	proposed/5.x ? beware if it is not proposals/ !	[19:47]
xavi	yes, yes, I'll beware	[19:48]
luciash	yes, it should be "proposals/5.x"	[19:48]
sylvieg	mkdir proposals/5.x; svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/5.x proposals/5.x; cd proposals/5.x ; php doc/devtools/svnbranch.php branches/proposals/5.x what about this one?	[19:48]
luciash	sylvieg: that sounds nicely :)	[19:49]
xavi	:-) I'll put that in the doc page and where should I run this set of commands? once logged in sf.net, in the appropriate folder?	[19:49]
luciash	huhuhuh on your local machine i guess ?	[19:49]
sylvieg	no on your local :-) again	[19:49]
escamoteur	is it normal, that I only have a limited toolbar when replying to a post compared to creating a new one?	[19:50]
sylvieg	I need a coffee to bit luciash	[19:50]
luciash	:D	[19:50]
sylvieg	s/bit/beat	[19:50]
xavi	mmmm, I don't get it.... ah, the last bit, the svnbranch.php will do the trick in sourceforge, then	[19:50]
luciash	i will need one soon as well ;)	[19:51]
chealer	ricks99: back to the last_modif_pages minor edits, I agree showing "last modify on X" where X is the last major modification time would be misleading. It could be just a date, or if it needs to be specified, "Last major modification: X".	[19:51]
sylvieg	it is the sesonds time luciash answered 2 secs before me second do you try it xavi , do I try it? or do we send a message to devel list?	[19:51]
xavi	I try, sylvie, thanks (after I finish editing the svntips page)	[19:52]
luciash	g, shouldn't it be the other wy around ? ;) *way	[19:53]
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sylvieg	ah ah jonnyb... do you think mkdir proposals/5.x; svn co https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/5.x proposals/5.x; cd proposals/5.x ; php doc/devtools/svnbranch.php branches/proposals/5.x is ok? btw: tiki-view_caches.php is for external cached pages	[19:56]
xavi	luciash: wiki way :-) hi jonnyb	[19:57]
jonnyb	hi xavi	[19:58]
luciash	xavi: :) i mean first try if it works, then document ? sylvieg: yes, i thought so loud	[19:58]
jonnyb	sylvieg: "ah ah member:jonnyb..." sounds ominous :)	[19:58]
xavi	xavi already fired that command in local... the server (dual core macbookpro with ubuntu) running at max. speed.. serving eclipse and the proposals/5.x branch creation luci, I undertood before: wiki way, is my answer, indeed	[19:58]
luciash	luciash feels the ground shaking from the speed of that macbookpro dual core running at max. speed :)	[20:00]
escamoteur	hi jonnyb! I could reproduce the problem with the admin panels by switching Ajax on and get it back working by switching it off	[20:00]
xavi	before I forget, I add it to the documentation what sylvieg suggested. And if (And where) needed, I document later on.... so many windows open right now, that if I leave for later, I might have lost the comments....,e tc.	[20:00]
jonnyb	sylvieg: did you try the branch script? i have a feeling it refuses to make any branch other than experimental	[20:00]
luciash	xavi: good	[20:01]
xavi	luciash: oh well, that's much better than the refurbished desktop where I am right now (where I usually am when at home)	[20:01]
sylvieg	jonnyb: never	[20:01]
luciash	jonnyb: oh doh	[20:01]
sylvieg	xavi will confirm	[20:01]
xavi	:-) xavi goes for some food in the mean time	[20:01]
sylvieg	btw what is the diffrence between desing.css and design-reference.css?	[20:01]
luciash	luciash goes for some coffee sylvieg: reference is just for reference	[20:01]
jonnyb	i really don;'t think we have the resources to do proposals for 5.x 6 is so soon, i want to focus on that	[20:02]
sylvieg	we can do the easy way	[20:02]
luciash	sylvieg: gary thought it could be useful to see what classes are used - actually it shouldn't contain any real values, just attributes and commented	[20:03]
sylvieg	we let the commits in proposals or reverse and we commit in one block	[20:03]
jonnyb	sylvieg: are you using subclipse now? with the collabnet merge tools?	[20:03]
sylvieg	so where do I put the cachedStatus -> small font I use command line - hehe and emacs	[20:03]
jonnyb	there are commands for branching in that i think (because i think a branch needs to know where it came from - svn:mergeinfo etc) i can try it - shall i?	[20:04]
luciash	sylvieg: in tiki-page_bar.tpl or something above tiki-show_page.tpl sylvieg: see the source with TPL comments enabled	[20:05]
sylvieg	not in the tpl but the css	[20:05]
luciash	sylvieg: to see where is the ... ah	[20:05]
sylvieg	I wil not do a small class=cachedStatus - but span class=cachedStatus	[20:06]
luciash	sylvieg: i thought you added the <span class="refresh" .... ah, cachedStatus is fine	[20:06]
jonnyb	ok, here goes... ready? (for proposals/5.x)	[20:07]
luciash	you can add it just in the reference file - we do not need to have it styled in default Tiki or do we ? but for customizations is good to have that possibility	[20:07]
jonnyb	let's see what happened	[20:07]
luciash	jonnyb: xavi is running it	[20:07]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28439 10/branches/proposals/5.x/: [BRANCH] Manually created 5.x branch	[20:08]
jonnyb	he said he was off for food, no?	[20:08]
sylvieg	commit conflicts??? fun....	[20:08]
luciash	aye, xavi, you can stop the script	[20:08]
xavi	back	[20:08]
luciash	yea, off for food while having his machine running the script :)	[20:08]
sylvieg	fast food	[20:08]
xavi	nope, food came back with me :-)=	[20:08]
jonnyb	oh, i seem to have done it... was quick!	[20:09]
xavi	script stopped	[20:09]
jonnyb	https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/proposals/5.x	[20:09]
xavi	"The branch already exists" yes, you did it, jonnyb	[20:09]
jonnyb	hopefully creating it with a [BRANCH] message is what makes the merge scripts work (afaicr)	[20:09]
xavi	faster than me (if it was to work, ... who knows) xavi keeps eating while reading what happened	[20:09]
sylvieg	sylvieg is doing svn co	[20:10]
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sylvieg	seems in good jonnyb is good for completing the doc ;-)	[20:11]
xavi	:-)	[20:11]
luciash	jonnyb: please put what you did on the SVNTips page	[20:12]
jonnyb	did i? what doc?	[20:12]
xavi	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/SVNTips&no_bl=y#Creating_a_new_proposals_branch	[20:12]
jonnyb	ok	[20:12]
xavi	this is called "team work"	[20:12]
jonnyb	it seems all aptana did was "svn copy -rHEAD https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/5.x https://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tikiwiki/branches/proposals/5.x"	[20:13]
xavi	easy, then :-)	[20:13]
jonnyb	but i'm not sure where the commit message happened	[20:14]
sylvieg	make sense	[20:14]
chealer	bbl	[20:14]
luciash	that's why i prefer commandline way	[20:19]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28440 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):	[20:43]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: [FIX] properly escape special characters before writing translations to language.php tikiwiki: [MOD] moved addphpslashes() and removephpslashes from get_strings.php to lib/language/Language.php	[20:43]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28441 10/third_party/ckeditor/: [SVN] ckeditor: Ignore _source	[20:46]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3514 - - The {{itemId}} {{page}} {{user}} wiki-syntices do not work - http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3514	[21:39]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28442 10/trunk/lib/language/Language.php: [FIX] method visibility	[23:46]
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