#tikiwiki 2010-08-19,Thu

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fabricius	go to bed now, bye	[00:11]
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chibaguy	sylvieg, #customcodewith_ad has a width because the idea was for the custom code to share the width of the page with a banner add. If a banner ad is ~600px wide and the page is 1000px or so, then 400px remains for the custom code content. Does that make sense? Of course if the custom code is above or below the ad, then it doesn't need a width, but I was figuring they would be side by side. In my tests this works ok, but I've never gotten feedback about actual use cases with custom code and banner ad.	[00:22]
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luciash	polom chibaguy: hi	[02:18]
	chibaguy: new custom tiki theme using layout shadows ;) → www.kincwood.cz	[02:25]
chibaguy	hi luciash, I saw your new site - it's great. Nice woodworking shown, too.	[02:30]
luciash	cool, thank you :) yeah, the guy is amazing with wood i have designed (well, sketched basic shape) what should my pc table look like and he made it much better than i imagined the site needs some litte tweaks still (i will go for cufón instead of typeface.js because it doesn't work in Opera still) but not today :) too much on my plate	[02:33]
chibaguy	:)	[02:39]
luciash	moved my working place to new place (another room slightly renovated) tonight settling down and trying to figure out this new setup to get used to it :-p	[02:41]
chibaguy	ah, well we can check it out on your webcam one of these days. :-)	[02:42]
luciash	sure, in BBB :) :B	[02:43]
chibaguy	my workspace has been crying for me to clean it up for months. :-/	[02:43]
luciash	but not ready for showcase yet ;) yeah, basically cleaning up the old one here yet too	[02:43]
chibaguy	We joke that if robbers came in to ransack the house, they'd say, "ah, we're too late. Somebody already hit this place." ;-)	[02:44]
luciash	:D safe for you	[02:44]
chibaguy	yep. :-)	[02:45]
luciash	you got some nice sunny beach at your place today	[02:46]
chibaguy	at my place? must be a little distance away. but it has been sunny for a week or so, for sure.	[02:47]
luciash	yea, i mean Chiba, not your work place actually :)	[02:47]
chibaguy	ah, yeah (was hoping global warming didn't raise the oceans so fast. ;-) )	[02:48]
luciash	:D sent you snapshot from Live Cams app, maybe you recognize the place	[02:50]
chibaguy	ok, but I'm using the company pc right now so can't access mail until later. thanks, though.	[02:54]
luciash	np :) enjoy your work... i'll try to shuffle with stuff here still ;)	[02:54]
chibaguy	ok	[02:58]
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coaboa	good morning. after tinkering a while I've manageded to start tikiwiki & bbb both on nginx webserver. still only a test system (wikident.eu or wikident.eu/bbb.html). couldnt find the bbbwikiplugin syntax. is it undocumentated? s	[06:38]
	found it. thx	[06:51]
junkY	good morming	[06:54]
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coaboa	hi	[07:12]
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escamoteur	Hi all does it make sense to upgrade from Tiki 5.0 to 5.1	[09:30]
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escamoteur	what does frigg want from me?	[09:36]
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escamoteur	does it make sense to upgrade from Tiki 5.0 to 5.1?	[09:40]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Upgrade 5.0 to 5.1 ... Menu drop downs don't work on all pages - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=38152	[10:25]
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coaboa	hi chibaguy	[10:34]
chibaguy	hi coaboa	[10:35]
coaboa	do you know how I can split the right column in two (one additional)? both should hold modules and should stay always visible. Or should I follow your floted box demo? ps: cool that you get rid of table based layouts ;-)	[10:42]
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chibaguy	coaboa, sorry, I was away.	[11:06]
coaboa	np	[11:06]
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chibaguy	I'm not sure about splitting/doubling the normal right column. Maybe you could define it to be twice the normal width and give the modules a width that's half of that, or a little less, so they would tile two-across and downward.	[11:08]
coaboa	cool. sounds logical. I'll try that.	[11:09]
chibaguy	seems like it would work.	[11:09]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r28603 10/trunk/styles/layout/layout.css: [FIX] Some adjustments following class changes in templates. tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r28604 10/trunk/styles/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Some adjustments following class changes in templates.	[11:17]
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fabricius\|away	hey sieferer my friend, how r u? nice that you start with tiki administration now :-D	[11:24]
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sieferer	i how it wil be a good start and good work	[11:25]
fabricius\|away	loool	[11:25]
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ricks99	hi all :-)	[11:26]
fabricius	hi ricks99 +	[11:27]
chibaguy	hi ricks99	[11:28]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders if there is any wine or cheese left over from last nite's event....	[11:29]
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coaboa	chibaguy: so I widened the right col, but still all mudule are aligned beneath each other (just using the very left spaceẞ?	[11:34]
chibaguy	coaboa, try adding {float: left} to #col3 div.box.	[11:36]
coaboa	chibaguy: cool that worked, but now the very very right module (which is larger than the lefthanded search box) pushes down second lefthanded module..	[11:43]
ricks99	is there a tiki-builtin equivalent to {$now\|tiki_short_date} that will show tomorrow's date?	[11:44]
chibaguy	coaboa, I guess you have to make sure the modules aren't too wide.	[11:45]
coaboa	ok check that. thx a lot	[11:46]
sylvieg	chibaguy: in design.css I am wondering why customcodewith_ad and other are in px and not % to be - kindof more generic between fixed width and not fixed	[11:48]
chibaguy	sylvieg, I don't recall the reason why I didn't try that. Sounds like a good idea.	[11:49]
	I guess I used pixels because banner ads are a specific px width, so didn't know what percentage to make the custom code area.	[11:57]
sylvieg	but does it worth to set taht in design.css .. because it is never the same the % but the banner kind in the middle...	[11:57]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28605 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX]tracker: simplify query	[11:59]
sylvieg	.. I do not know ... I was just suprised to find a fix width fixed	[11:59]
chibaguy	well, I assumed the page or viewport width would be maybe a little under 1000px, I suppose. It was hard to decide on siteheader details because users' sites would vary a lot. I'm looking forward to the siteheader revamp where we try to use modules in that space. new challenges ;-)	[12:03]
sylvieg	this is kind of a challenge ;-) thx	[12:05]
fabricius	chibaguy: modules in siteheader, to get it easier to have different headers and menus for different siteareas, workspaces etc. ??	[12:06]
chibaguy	yes, that's the idea. to have more flexibility in the siteheader and also the footer area.	[12:07]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r28606 10/trunk/lib/prefs/payment.php: [FIX] Dependencies list typos	[12:13]
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junkY	how can i enable category selection in the search page for anonymous?	[12:23]
chibaguy	chibaguy would like a printed book of all the tiki admin pages because it's impossible to remember where settings are. ;-)	[12:26]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28607 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackeritemfield.php: [FIX]tracker: log also the item field view with TRACKERITEMFIELD - assume that is itemID is in the url already checked somewhere else to avoid to many logs	[12:43]
Kimberlee	hello all. Has anyone run into a problem with the Captcha form on tiki-register.php when using trackers to collect more user information? register fails with "Empty captcha value"	[12:47]
ricks99	@Kimberlee: what version? i remember this from a while ago	[12:50]
Kimberlee	it appears the antibot is not called when there is $userTrackerData r28290	[12:51]
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ricks99	see #1818 was fixed in 3.x. sounds like a regression in your r28290	[12:54]
Kimberlee	while I could work around it, it seems that I can not get my user_selector to auto populate either thx :-)	[12:54]
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ricks99	anyone know how to find tomorrow's date, similar to 01{$now\|tiki_short_date} ^^^	[13:06]
chealer	escamoteur: eh, why would it not?	[13:12]
escamoteur	I'm just wondering how stable it is chealer: I still have major problems with my forums and I was hoping, that 5.1 would change it	[13:13]
chealer	so, unless you disagree, I'll just consider anonymous like other users with regard to switch lang	[13:15]
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RavenC	polom all	[13:19]
chealer	hi RavenC sylvieg: so, unless you disagree, I'll just consider anonymous like other users with regard to switch lang	[13:20]
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sylvieg	chealer: +1 Kimberlee: there was a bug some time ago - you can use captcha with tracker and captcha login feature at the same time ricks99: if you do care about changing time - you can use a mathematical function (math ...+ 246060 } otherwise there is a new function in calendarlib but no smarty interface	[13:31]
ricks99	tx sylvieg. isn't doing math in tpls pretty "expensive" in terms of resources?	[13:43]
sylvieg	yes	[13:43]
Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: how to display username for a calendar entry - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38153	[13:43]
ricks99	thats that i was afraid of :(	[13:43]
chealer	sylvieg: thanks	[13:44]
Kimberlee	ricks99 and sylvieg: I read the bug, tried several revisions (back to 2) but still unable to use both at the same time.	[13:48]
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Kimberlee	I can't find where the "Register" button is thats associated with the userTrackerData either? It doesn't seem to be in the tpl forms.	[13:51]
sylvieg	in a group page	[13:55]
junkY	what permission is needed to see the "wiki -> create page" link?	[13:56]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28608 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [FIX]TRACKERLIST: missing ~np~	[13:58]
sylvieg	junkY: tiki_p_edit	[14:00]
junkY	thanks	[14:01]
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junkY	do the toolbar settings apply also to ckeditor or just fsckeditor?	[14:08]
sylvieg	junkY: I think jonnyb is working on it in trunk	[14:09]
junkY	i c, because for example the button to insert/upload an image is missing in ckeditor	[14:10]
sylvieg	I think it is work in progress	[14:10]
junkY	but i have in mind that it's experimental so i don't expect it to work, just palying around looks promising though	[14:10]
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sylvieg	where do I tune the style of {popup}	[14:29]
ricks99	ARGH more 5.1 permission upgrade issues.... I have a module assiged to Admin group, but members of other groups can see the module it apears that global perms now trump module specifci perms?	[14:40]
Kimberlee	ricks99: I don't have that problem, but my 5.1 is new not upgrade	[14:42]
ricks99	if group has tiki_p_admin_modules, they'll see the module, regardless of the module's specific GROUP setting	[14:48]
Kimberlee	ahhh. my groups don't have tiki_admin_modules. sorry.	[14:50]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r28612 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] avoid permission denied when feature_multilingual is on but not change_language. mod-switch_lang now needs change_language even for anonymous tikiwiki: after discussion with Sylvie Greverend: http://irc.tikiwiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-08-18,Wed&sel=453#l449	[15:49]
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LN_	Can we change the "automatic" link when we use the wiki link icon in wysiwyg ...? Instead of linking to href="../NameOfThePage, I want it to link to tiki-index.php?page=NameOfThePage ...	[15:56]
sylvieg	desactivated the feature sefurl	[15:59]
LN_	thanks sylvieg !! But... Where is it ...? :P	[16:02]
sylvieg	admin->general .. something like friendly	[16:03]
chealer	sylvieg: I made the change for Switch Lang	[16:03]
sylvieg	chealer: thx	[16:03]
chealer	sylvieg: back to Cron, you were saying you made something that uses cron for trackers, but not a general interface to cron?	[16:07]
sylvieg	yes I worked only on how to represent scheduled tasks in tiki so that only one craon can be implemented	[16:08]
LN_	sylvieg: Ok... it's not there but it's a really good indication. I'm going to search for this seturl.	[16:08]
sylvieg	LN_: it is in one of the tab experimental perhaps	[16:09]
chealer	sylvieg: what do you mean by only one cron can be implemented?	[16:09]
sylvieg	one cron job to do all the repetive tasks tiki can have to do	[16:10]
ricks99	anyway in 5.1 to disable the "BROWSE IMAGES" button for file galleries that 8do not* contain imatges? i dont see a browse-specific perm anywhere? doesnt make sense to "BROWSE IMAGES" for a gllery that contains DOC and PDFs	[16:10]
LN_	Sylvieg: In Admin->features->Experimental-> Search engine friendly url ... ? It's not selected...	[16:14]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r28613 10/trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: [FIX] ckeditor: More missing tools	[16:15]
sylvieg	check there is no other selected boxes in tiki-admin.php?page=sefurl	[16:15]
LN_	sylvieg:there's no selected boxes there either...	[16:17]
chealer	sylvieg: hum, and how does it work?	[16:17]
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sylvieg	http://doc.tikiwiki.org/batch	[16:19]
LN_	it seems to happen only in categorized objets...	[16:23]
sylvieg	for caegorized objects or in browse categ?	[16:26]
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LN_	nevermind... it happens anywhere in the wiki, not only in the categorized objects I'm not sure but it maybe started when I created categorized objets with special permissions... I'm not sure. just trying to brainstorm on what started this problem... :) brb	[16:31]
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chealer	sylvieg: I see, thanks. is there an explanation then of how a tiki cron job can be added, say for a calendar event?	[16:47]
coaboa	how can I replace a "go" button with an image (mod-search.tpl)?	[16:49]
ricks99	@coaboa: via css. add a background image to the button	[16:53]
coaboa	how would Il that button. in .box-search btw hi ricks99 class is wikiaction but I thought this will effect all buttons?	[16:53]
ricks99	y, can either: 1. modify the tpl to make a unique class or 2. eclose the module in a DIV(class=FOO)} and define the button as div.foo .wikiaction	[16:56]
coaboa	so changing eg. class = "wikiaction" to eg class = "wikisearchaction" + css would do the job? in tpl	[16:58]
ricks99	y, you can customize the class in the tpl to make it a unique class	[16:59]
coaboa	I'll try that. thx a lot	[17:00]
luciash	LN_: it is in .htaccess file, you have to comment the RewriteRules out if you want use .htaccess and not the rules for Search Engine Friendly URLs	[17:09]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r28614 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] new format to display information in module last blog post comments	[17:10]
coaboa	ricks99: worked. moved the tpl out of the "modules" (one level up) dir which I created to reflect the original folderstructure. now it works. THX	[17:11]
luciash	SEFURLs feature is just supportive feature that the internal Tiki links are generated to comply with the SEFURLs generated by RewriteRules	[17:11]
ricks99	:-) glad to help coaboa	[17:11]
luciash	coaboa: you don't need to modify tpl as every module has unique id	[17:12]
ricks99	ricks99 excels at easy questions. now if he could just improve his php skills	[17:12]
LN_	luciash: thx ! do you have any idea if there's something we've done wrong that changed the way the url were written when using the wiki link icon? It was working before ...	[17:13]
luciash	LN_: maybe someone just tried SEFURLs on and off and it stayed cached... did you try to clear Tiki cache ? coaboa: so e.g. #modulesearchl10 .wikiaction would apply only to that module at position left 10	[17:14]
coaboa	where can i find that ID	[17:16]
luciash	Ctrl + U in your browser	[17:16]
coaboa	ohhhhhhhhhhhh ;-)	[17:16]
luciash	or right click + Inspect element	[17:16]
ricks99	@luciash: how does that work when modules are used via module plugin in a wiki page?	[17:17]
luciash	:)	[17:17]
coaboa	thx thats probably more updatesafe	[17:17]
luciash	ricks99: i haven't checked that out what id it produces ricks99: probably without the l10	[17:17]
LN_	luciash: just did it and nothing changed ... the problem stays ;( Ok, so it's maybe in the .htaccess !	[17:18]
ricks99	yeah, confirmed. no unique id	[17:19]
luciash	LN_: what icon does that specifically again ?	[17:19]
ricks99	i've always just enclosed it inside a uniuqe {DIV(class="FOO")} tx for th hint though!	[17:19]
luciash	ricks99: in wiki page it makes sense, yep	[17:20]
LN_	luciash: the wiki link icon ... but we're in tiki 2.2 ... very old version :)	[17:21]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28615 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX]tracker: put in a calBox the popup	[17:42]
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escamoteur	hi all I still can't modify the Toolbar for comments in my forum posts	[19:11]
luciash	LN_: you should upgrade at least to 3.6 (LTS) if you can	[19:15]
CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28617 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]TRACKERLIST: can control navbar and title for calendar view	[19:15]
chealer	sylvieg: are you available?	[19:16]
LN_	luciash: we're desperatly waiting the autorisation to update ... if we do, we should update at least to 4 but then ... why not 5 :-)	[19:19]
escamoteur	chealer: Do you have an idea what my problem is?	[19:21]
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chealer	escamoteur: you mean forum replies?	[19:27]
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escamoteur	chealer: When I post a new thread in a forum I have the full toolbar. When I just make a comment on an existing thread (reply) I only have a limited version and can't change it	[19:28]
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chealer	escamoteur: do you see that working differently in a different Tiki site?	[19:31]
escamoteur	have not tested it, do you know a tiki 5 where I can check?	[19:32]
chealer	escamoteur: tikiwiki.org	[19:34]
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escamoteur	chealer: Oh, that suprises me chealer: Isn't there any button to quote a previous comment?	[19:39]
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chealer	escamoteur: apparently not	[19:44]
escamoteur	interesting, because in the EditConfiguration there is a field about using '>' for quoting. Also quoting is a quite essential part of forums	[19:45]
chealer	it's possible to quote somehow, it even does it by default here (reply starts pre-filled)	[19:46]
escamoteur	seems to me that the forum part is a bit neglected in favour for other parts	[19:55]
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escamoteur	chealer: I have another much bigger problem. Some users loose the comments when pressing "preview". I know switched it to prefill with the last post. But would be nice to have this only done by a button press	[19:58]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03alain_desilets * r28618 10/trunk/lib/ (5 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: Trunk bug: Fixed some bugs in the testing infrastructure for restoring the DB to tikiwiki: a pristine start state. The problem was that while the DB itself was restored, tikiwiki: the global $prefs variable still retained its old value. This change required a tikiwiki: minor refactoring in lib/setup/prefs.php (made the main body of that script into tikiwiki: a function so it could be called multiple times).	[20:13]
coaboa_	thx for the support good night	[20:13]
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Gergely	Hi everyone! Would someone comment the 3524 wiki parsing processes inefficiently much and maybe even insecure? http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3524&trackerId=5&show=view	[20:28]
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Gergely	Does it concern all the embedded plugin calls?	[20:31]
escamoteur	Good night	[20:33]
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sylvieg	Gergely: I did a commit in trunk - perhaps connected commit 27592	[20:53]
chealer	http://dev.tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php seems to be Kimberlee's bug	[20:57]
luciash	hi Gergely, good catch... after ELSE if it doesn't much it really shouldn't parse	[20:58]
Gergely	sylvieg: looked up your commit, and it sounds promising	[20:58]
luciash	s/much/match/	[20:58]
Gergely	looked at the diff as well: that is it! I am very much with the change and I do think it is the right way of doing it. Thanks for the commit!	[21:03]
sylvieg	Gergely: so far I etsted - does not seem to exist anymore .. the bug seems to be fixed I improved the perf of a site of 1/4 with this commit ;-)	[21:03]
Gergely	yes, not talking about the security issues..	[21:05]
chealer	sylvieg: do you think you'll be available around 18:15 for a conference with Marc, Rodrigo and me on i18n?	[21:05]
Gergely	I will close the issue then.	[21:05]
luciash	sylvieg: gret, congrats *great Gergely: thanks	[21:06]
sylvieg	chealer: should be ok - but i did not have more time to advance on the point since last time	[21:08]
Gergely	Something else to note: another issue with parsing I think I have not logged, but good to know about: if a plugin returned an e-mail address and it was followed by a ~np~..., it got all messed up.	[21:09]
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sylvieg	luciash: do you have somewhere a lite.css with not the same size column on left and right	[21:21]
	ok got it - I will add some comments to lite	[21:27]
Gergely	good night/morning, bye!	[21:28]
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chealer	sylvieg: sorry, conference cancelled, Rodrigo is going to be climbing. sylvieg: I'm going back to Quebec City, so we should have this conference when I come back, next TikiFest.	[21:33]
sylvieg	it will give me the time to do what I wanetd to do ;-) have a nice trip back	[21:35]
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chealer	sylvieg: :) sylvieg: thank you	[21:36]
luciash	sylvieg: sorry, what do you need ? sylvieg: where you want to add the coments ? wiki page ? do not commit please	[21:44]
sylvieg	thx luciash it is soemwhere I thought I missed up when changing the right column witdth with lite.css but it is somewhere else in IE7 the col3 goes after I wanted to add in lite.c on each 180 if it is width of col1 or width of col3	[21:46]
luciash	hmm, must be tiki	[21:47]
sylvieg	I think it will help - if you do not wnat to think about	[21:47]
luciash	well, i think i really must to make it external (third party) lib otherwise we have two versions of lite.css or tiki fork of lite.css i am not against it, not sure what is better	[21:48]
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sylvieg	sylvieg trying to convince luciash - just a little comment on each 180 - for instance for #c1c2 do I put the w(col2) or width(col3)?	[21:53]
luciash	not sure i understand the question :)	[21:54]
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sylvieg	as teh comments in lite.css are right now, you can have the improssion that you need to adapt only 2 lines	[21:55]
luciash	there is "margin-right: 180px;/* change this in your stylesheet too when you change the width of #col3 */"	[21:55]
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luciash	is it not enough ? margin-left: 180px;/* change this in your stylesheet too when you change the width of #col2 */ sylvieg: ah, you mean you miss the simmilar comment for #c1c2 ? for the special workaround for IE7, right ?	[21:56]
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luciash	sylvieg: you're welcome to join http://sourceforge.net/projects/litecss/ :) sylvieg: more info http://www.ohloh.net/p/litecss	[22:04]
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sylvieg	sorry luciash was emergency orange juie shopping yes	[22:24]
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luciash	sylvieg: re, what yes sylvieg: sorry, was afk too :)	[22:50]
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CIA-65	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r28619 10/trunk/_htaccess: [ENH]rewrite rule: logout shortcut	[23:13]
luciash	sylvieg: good idea, i always add it myself (well, not always :)	[23:17]
sylvieg	hope people do not use a wiki page named logout	[23:18]
luciash	hehe	[23:18]
sylvieg	... I am always using a wiki page img	[23:18]
luciash	they can always remove from htaccess	[23:18]
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luciash	i crashed on contact ;) workarounded with renaming to contacts	[23:19]
sylvieg	... one day we need a dynamic implementation of this ..... bbl food time	[23:21]
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Tikiwiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Disable friend adding and make it automatic - Start a message thread between users on event. - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38158	[23:45]
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