[00:00] <luciash> polom
[00:07] <fabricius> moloq
[00:24] <luciash> fabricius: what do u want to know ?
[00:26] <fabricius> luciash: on what your question is related? did you just wonder that I did not yet ask, as usual? :-D
[00:27] <fabricius> generally I want to know all about workspaces and espcially about perspectives
[00:27] <luciash> :)
[00:27] <luciash> i reacted to your last question
[00:27] <luciash> did u read doc ?
[00:28] <fabricius> ah 00:48
[00:28] <luciash> yep
[00:28] <fabricius> yes I do every day
[00:28] <luciash> isn't it good enough ?
[00:28] <luciash> http://doc.tiki.org/Workspace
[00:30] <fabricius> it is not - excuse me - basic enough
[00:30] <luciash> i recommend enabling perspectives feature or applying the category jailroot profile and play with it
[00:30] <fabricius> I do not understand at all
[00:30] <luciash> did u apply the jailroot profile already ?
[00:30] <luciash> then head your browser to tiki-edit_perspective.php
[00:31] <fabricius> I did enable that and did set up some stuff already, but I also do not know how to apply a certain profile
[00:31] <luciash> and explore
[00:31] <luciash> you do not know how to apply certain profile ?
[00:31] <luciash> which one ?
[00:31] <fabricius> I am sorry ... up to where I am now all was very easy to learn and such
[00:32] <luciash> you can see how it works when you switch the perspective using the Perspective module then (for example the site title preference will be changed)
[00:32] <fabricius> but all the coding stuff - I actually have an imagination what that stuff might be, but I am like standing in front of a huge massive concete wall with some very small window
[00:32] <luciash> when you switch to perspective A, there will be This is perspective A set up as site_title
[00:33] <luciash> when you switch to perspective B, it will be changed to This is perspective B
[00:33] <luciash> etc.
[00:33] <fabricius> oops messages cleared
[00:33] <fabricius> hmmmpf
[00:33] <fabricius> ok, conceptually I understand that
[00:34] <luciash> and you can configure all that in the tiki-edit_perspective.php page and permissions via categories
[00:34] <fabricius> I can find the perspective and I can get there and name the, but I cannot ride them
[00:34] <fabricius> via categories?
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[00:34] <fabricius> hmm
[00:35] <fabricius> have a look, for that you know, where I am:
[00:35] <fabricius> http://tiki.org/Torstens+Project+Perspectives
[00:35] <luciash> already seen that
[00:36] <fabricius> ah you looked at it?
[00:36] <fabricius> nice thought
[00:36] <fabricius> its the basic I do not understand - to settle the horse and jump onto it, after I now understood how riding works in theory
[00:37] <fabricius> I do not find where to put my hands and feet
[00:38] <fabricius> at the workspace doc there I am missing some basic for a noncoder and non tiki markup nower
[00:38] <luciash> so you just put the objects all in the same category, and the perspective will show only what is set for that category
[00:39] <fabricius> and I think it is very important a) to have all them fine coding possibilities (I hopefully learn one day) but b) not to get those prejudices like Typo has
[00:40] <fabricius> Ok - I assign the module (or the menu aswell?) to the category - fine
[00:40] <luciash> you set the category ID in the perspective edit, that should do the trick
[00:40] <fabricius> ah I just put the ID in it?
[00:40] <luciash> yes
[00:41] <fabricius> like ' 5 ' or ' ID=5 '?
[00:41] <fabricius> or category Id = 5 ß
[00:41] <fabricius> ?
[00:41] <luciash> in the "Category Jail" input
[00:41] <luciash> field
[00:41] <fabricius> hm is that the big one?
[00:41] <luciash> just 5
[00:41] <luciash> big one ?
[00:41] <fabricius> just 5 fine - checked ;-)
[00:42] <fabricius> tiki-edit-preferences
[00:42] <fabricius> sorry, I really feel like an AMSU right now
[00:42] <luciash> for example on tiki-edit_perspective.php?action=edit&id=3&cookietab=3
[00:43] <luciash> you see the Configurations ?
[00:43] <luciash> the first input field is Category Jail
[00:44] <fabricius> so I see a big field and in the middle stands 'configurations'
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[00:44] <fabricius> stands = is written
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[00:45] <fabricius> there the ID of the appropriate category I´d think?
[00:45] <luciash> yes, and under that (if you applied the profile before) you see "Category Jail" and field
[00:46] <fabricius> so a 1 for cat1 in this field of per1 and a 2 for cat2 in per2
[00:46] <fabricius> ah now we are on a profile ID???
[00:46] <fabricius> ooops
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[00:48] <fabricius> do we work with the profile now, or without? - If with, I need to apply - but I tried yesterday and never got a message if that happened or not
[00:48] <fabricius> I do not know, where to check, wichprofiles I have applied
[00:48] <luciash> with the profile it is easier as it is already prepared and demonstrated and you can play and learn
[00:48] <fabricius> Ihoped to have time to leave the profiles stuff for later on
[00:49] <luciash> profiles application (installation) is the easiest thing
[00:49] <luciash> you don't have to edit the YAML code yet ;)
[00:49] <fabricius> so two choices for me: try to get the profile in or first do the connection between objects perspects and cats
[00:50] <luciash> first, have a testing Tiki 5 installed
[00:50] <fabricius> so admin ->
[00:50] <fabricius> profiles?
[00:50] <luciash> then, install the profile to it (sorry, apply)
[00:50] <fabricius> he luciash sure I have a Tiki5
[00:50] <luciash> then learn the perspective stuff on it
[00:51] <luciash> yes
[00:51] <luciash> admin > profiles
[00:51] <luciash> search for jailroot
[00:51] <luciash> apply
[00:51] <fabricius> cool, I´ll be back in a minute or two
[00:51] <fabricius> jailroot, ok
[00:52] <fabricius> mini profiles?
[00:54] <luciash> learning profiles
[00:54] <luciash> search just for jail
[00:54] <luciash> maybe i messed up the name
[00:55] <fabricius> I found  Jailroot_Demonstration      profiles.tikiwiki.org      alpha, Learning profile (to show off feature), 4.x, 5.x
[00:55] <luciash> yes, that's it
[00:55] <luciash> apply that please
[00:55] <fabricius> did click on Jailroot_Demonstration
[00:55] <luciash> yep, click on it and then apply button appears, sorry
[00:56] <fabricius> nope no button - loading ... waiting ... ... ... .. . .    .     .
[00:57] <luciash> it should appear shortly
[00:57] <luciash> after it loads
[00:57] <fabricius> ahh Step 2: Click on a Profile to review and see description
[00:57] <fabricius>  loading ... waiting ... ... ... .. . . . .  nothing more
[00:58] <fabricius> might have a look yourself in tiki/live conference room?
[00:59] <luciash> it should load, otherwise you have a problem
[00:59] <luciash> maybe something blocks it, firewall ?
[00:59] <luciash> can you try on different server ?
[01:00] <fabricius> no firewall
[01:00] <fabricius> different server not tonight - havent prepared a quick Tiki5 install yet there
[01:01] <fabricius> what is, if it maybe is already loaded?
[01:01] <fabricius> yesterday evening
[01:01] <luciash> ah, hm, then it will not be easy for you to play with it
[01:01] <fabricius> normally that server must be alright
[01:01] <luciash> if already loaded, it would say "Applied" under the profile name
[01:02] <luciash> and the label on the button would be "Re-apply ..."
[01:02] <fabricius> it´s just that we head off to another city at 6 (in 3 hrs)
[01:02] <fabricius> ah thx
[01:02] <fabricius> yetserday I have seen some apply buttons
[01:02] <fabricius> yesterday
[01:04] <luciash> ah, ok, then i will not bother you, have some rest, and drive safely
[01:04] <luciash> i can make a screencast about it probably
[01:06] <fabricius> hmm thx
[01:06] <fabricius> I guess I will sleep in the car
[01:06] <fabricius> and luciash you r not bothering me ;-)
[01:07] <fabricius> anyway, I cannot apply for profiles tonight anymore
[01:08] <fabricius> could we go back to the pers for a moment - it seemed to be near a workthrough, to have one per set up
[01:08] <fabricius> and the other 6 then I could do by myself
[01:09] <fabricius> profiles i look onto, then when I came back and slept ... sunday evening :-D
[01:09] <luciash> ok, so you have perspectives on already, right ?
[01:09] <fabricius> jupi, I am on "tiki-edit_perspective.php?action=edit&id=3&cookietab=3"
[01:10] <luciash> ok
[01:10] <luciash> so for this perspective, lets say, you want different theme option
[01:10] <fabricius> should i quickly check my IDs?
[01:10] <luciash> are you in Firefox ?
[01:10] <fabricius> ah ok ... sorry, I listen
[01:11] <fabricius> yes
[01:11] <fabricius> ff
[01:11] <luciash> fine (because it doesn't work in Chrome)
[01:11] <fabricius> kk
[01:11] <fabricius> the perspective at all?
[01:11] <fabricius> or to make the setup?
[01:11] <luciash> to search there where you are now
[01:11] <fabricius> ah np
[01:11] <luciash> you see the search input field ?
[01:12] <fabricius> jupi
[01:12] <fabricius> what to put in there?
[01:12] <fabricius> jupi=yes
[01:12] <fabricius> sorry
[01:13] <luciash> write theme there and search
[01:13] <luciash> theme
[01:13] <luciash> just that
[01:13] <luciash> there will appear the theme option dropdown
[01:14] <luciash> you just drag and drop that on the Configurations area above 
[01:14] <luciash> then select orange.css from the dropdown and hit the save button
[01:16] <luciash> now you have configured perspective ID 3 to display the orange theme option (if you use fivealive theme)
[01:16] <fabricius> I use tikinewt
[01:17] <fabricius> its the base of our corporate theme in three and will also in tiki5
[01:17] <fabricius> so to repeat:
[01:17] <fabricius> you say: we are for ex. in perspective ID 3
[01:18] <luciash> ok, this is just for test... to test the perspective now, go to first tab and click the green arrow next to your perspective to switch the perspective
[01:18] <fabricius> ah stop
[01:18] <fabricius> there, where you did guide me to
[01:18] <luciash> or go to tiki-switch_perspective.php?perspective=3
[01:19] <fabricius> with this drop downs
[01:19] <luciash> and you will be in perspective 3 now and see the theme changed
[01:19] <fabricius> thats a white page with some drop downs on the upper left corner - is that right?
[01:19] <luciash> or whatever else you configure there from the drag and drop
[01:19] <fabricius> I have no drag and drop there
[01:20] <fabricius> gimme a sec
[01:20] <luciash> ok, try something else then
[01:22] <luciash> you can search for any Tiki preference there
[01:23] <fabricius> http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-001.jpg
[01:23] <luciash> search for jail
[01:23] <fabricius> kk I´ll do
[01:24] <fabricius> find: Category Jail:      
[01:25] <luciash> drag and drop it above in the Configurations area
[01:25] <luciash> do you have it there ?
[01:25] <luciash> your screenshot looks weird
[01:26] <luciash> why is it missing the left and right columns and header and the rest of the page ?
[01:27] <fabricius> http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-002.jpg
[01:27] <luciash> why is feb12 there in the screenshot if you say you use tikinewt ?
[01:27] <fabricius> no idea why anything is missing
[01:27] <luciash> what the fuck
[01:27] <luciash> you miss all the rest of the page
[01:27] <luciash> it shouldn't look like that
[01:27] <fabricius> I did open the popups - there has been tiknewt at the first place
[01:28] <luciash> can you go to Admin > General and enable PHP error reporting please ?
[01:28] <fabricius> IDEA!
[01:28] <luciash> what popups ?
[01:28] <fabricius> I change to fivealive
[01:28] <luciash> i have no popups
[01:28] <luciash> ah, and you need the JQuery UI enabled
[01:28] <fabricius> no not popup - dropdown, sorry misstyped
[01:28] <luciash> i think that s maybe problem you dont see what you should
[01:29] <fabricius> and php error I´ll check also
[01:29] <fabricius> mom
[01:29] <luciash> go and enable JQuery UI first
[01:29] <fabricius> jquery got I
[01:29] <fabricius> jo jupi ... er yes
[01:31] <luciash> tiki-admin.php?page=look&cookietab=5
[01:31] <luciash> is JQuery UI enabled ?
[01:33] <luciash> then go to tiki-admin.php?page=general and set PHP Error reporting level: Report all PHP errors except strict
[01:33] <luciash> then return to tiki-edit_perspective.php
[01:34] <fabricius> jquery has been enabled: http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-003.jpg
[01:35] <luciash> fine
[01:36] <fabricius> PHP Error reporting level: Report all PHP errors except strict - is set now
[01:36] <luciash> fine
[01:36] <fabricius> oops
[01:36] <fabricius> my template is gone
[01:36] <fabricius> site is naked
[01:36] <luciash> what template ?
[01:36] <fabricius> no template (tikinewt is gone)
[01:36] <luciash> set it to the fivealive or whatever you want
[01:36] <luciash> theme you mean ?
[01:37] <luciash> maybe because you're already in the perspective
[01:38] <luciash> go to tiki-admin.php?page=look&cookietab=1 and change it to fivealive
[01:38] <fabricius> jo - onthe way anyway ;-)
[01:38] <fabricius> http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-004.jpg
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[01:39] <fabricius> ah tikinewt came back, when I arrived in the admin->look
[01:39] <fabricius> now switched to fivealive -done
[01:39] <luciash> you an run away from the perspective to the default one by going to tiki-switch_perspective.php (without any param)
[01:40] <fabricius> back to perspectives?
[01:40] <fabricius> did I?
[01:40] <luciash> yes, when you're in admin, perspectives are ignored usually
[01:40] <fabricius> wow#
[01:40] <luciash> so back to perspectives
[01:40] <fabricius> jo boss ;-)
[01:40] <luciash> go to them
[01:41] <fabricius> search theme? -> same result than before
[01:41] <luciash> can u screenie that for me ?
[01:41] <luciash> tiki-edit_perspective.php
[01:41] <fabricius> white page with dropdowns
[01:42] <fabricius> jo mom
[01:42] <luciash> before you search
[01:43] <fabricius> http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-004.jpg
[01:43] <fabricius> oops before I had already
[01:44] <fabricius> before search I was here: http://mitglied2.vafk.de/tiki-edit_perspective.php?action=edit&id=3&cookietab=3
[01:44] <luciash> i don't want this
[01:45] <luciash> i want the one when you go first to tiki-edit_perspective.php
[01:49] <fabricius> kk, a sec - now I have 1st http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-006.jpg then http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-005.jpg ... going for  first to tiki-edit_perspective.php now
[01:51] <fabricius> here we are:  http://vafk.de/_torsten/tiki-perspectives-007.jpg
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[01:53] <luciash> i don't understand why it opens in new tab for you
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[01:53] <luciash> you click the search button ?
[01:53] <luciash> or hit Enter key ?
[01:54] <fabricius> in pict 7? there shouldn´t be one mom
[01:54] <luciash> in pic 6
[01:55] <luciash> you write jail in the search field and hit Enter key on your keyboard or click the Search button ?
[01:56] <fabricius> you tell me s.th to do now, or ask if I did before?
[01:57] <luciash> because if i click the Search button, it doesn't open new tab / window for me but displays the result correctly under the search field in the tiny white area (which gets expanded vertically then by the result)
[01:57] <luciash> so i don't understand why it doesn't do it for you actaully
[01:58] <luciash> because of course then you cannot drag and drop anything, when it is like that
[01:59] <luciash> my Firefox is 3.6.10
[01:59] <fabricius> --> I did write "theme" into the search field of picture 6, did press ther enter key of my keyboard (or mouse onj search button) and the result was picture 5
[01:59] <luciash> ok, if i hit Enter key, nothing happens for me
[01:59] <fabricius> sry for misstyping ... if anybody finds the fault: keep it
[02:00] <luciash> only if i click the button, it works here, but correctly, not like that what it does for you which is bad
[02:00] <fabricius> I redo again and check with button and keyboard
[02:01] <fabricius> both time same result
[02:02] <luciash> bad :(
[02:02] <fabricius> checking PHP error mess now?
[02:02] <luciash> i wonder if it is caused by browser difference or something else
[02:02] <luciash> do you use JS minify enabled ?
[02:04] <luciash> no wonder you cannot do and learn anything with the perspectives when it doesn't work properly for you
[02:05] <fabricius> thx for understanding
[02:05] <fabricius> JS minify?
[02:05] <fabricius> I think it could be the same reason like with the profile?
[02:05] <fabricius> where I find JS minify?
[02:06] <luciash> Admin > Performance
[02:06] <fabricius> ah kk mom
[02:06] <luciash> yes, maybe
[02:07] <luciash> Minify javascript is off here
[02:07] <luciash> Minify CSS disabled too
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[02:08] <fabricius> here is not ticked
[02:08] <fabricius> all minify NOT ticked - are off
[02:09] <luciash> hmm, then i give up for tonight
[02:09] <fabricius> bottom bar debug? (ticked)
[02:09] <fabricius> ok
[02:09] <fabricius> I pleas you anyway for that long time to help me intensely
[02:09] <luciash> you should try on another server where it works correctly to see how it should actually work
[02:10] <luciash> np, i learned something too
[02:10] <fabricius> I´d say on sunday I´ll make a proper installation on our project server
[02:10] <fabricius> again some stuff for the docs - once a solution will arise
[02:10] <fabricius> :-D
[02:11] <fabricius> in the end I will get perspectives and I will get them on this server (while checking on the others)
[02:12] <fabricius> thx again and a goognight to you
[02:13] <luciash> good night
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[02:35] <olinuxx> hi
[02:36] <olinuxx> Is TikiWiki has a feature who permit to users "registred" to have a personnal menu where they can put favorits links ?
[02:39] <olinuxx> !help favourit links
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[02:39] <olinuxx> !help favourit
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[02:39] <olinuxx> !help favorit
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[02:40] <olinuxx> !help favorites
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[02:41] <olinuxx> mmm ...
[02:41] <olinuxx> I'll wait for human answer
[02:41] <olinuxx> :)
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[03:01] <fabricius> hehehehe
[03:02] <fabricius> to your answer: you just have to grant the group "registered" the appropriate rights
[03:02] <fabricius> <- olinuxx 
[03:03] <ttrimm> is this from our earlier conversation?
[03:03] <olinuxx> fabricius, not sure to understand, is it a module or juste give rights to manage an unique part of the menu's administration ?
[03:03] <fabricius> if you want, you could make even every self-registering new member to a full admin automatically, if you include admin group int registered - if I am not completely wrong
[03:04] <fabricius> what kind of menu do you mean?
[03:04] <fabricius> ah sry
[03:04] <fabricius> look to the rights related to myTiki
[03:04] <olinuxx> fabricius, ok, but it's for LinuxMAO (>3.000 registreds) I'm not sur it's a good idea to give admin's rights to all :)
[03:05] <fabricius> all my personal stuff is myTiki - like internal messages, my contribution etc
[03:05] <olinuxx> fabricius, ok, thanks for pointed me this way 
[03:05] <fabricius> np
[03:06] <luciash> feature user bookmarks + module exist iirc
[03:06] <fabricius> iirc?
[03:06] <fabricius> mom
[03:06] <fabricius> tiki5?
[03:06] <luciash> >learn iirc as If I Remember Correctly
[03:06] <Sug4r> OK, here we go!
[03:07] <fabricius> thx luci
[03:07] <olinuxx> luciash, and fabricius : even with our tiki 2.4 ?
[03:08] <fabricius> uhhhhh
[03:08] <olinuxx> yes ... I know fabricius :P
[03:08] <luciash> yes
[03:08] <olinuxx> I'm working on migration this time ;)
[03:08] <olinuxx> luciash, ok, thanks, I go to check this
[03:08] <luciash> bookmarks is old feature
[03:08] <fabricius> why that - I startet with 2.2 for three month, then turned to 3.2 to 3.6 (7) and from 5 it really start to rock
[03:09] <olinuxx> bookmark are bundled with Tiki ?
[03:09] <fabricius> but olinuxx dont listen to me too well, I am still a newbie 
[03:09] <fabricius> olinuxx: all is bundled with tiki
[03:09] <olinuxx> ok, me too :)
[03:10] <fabricius> not features like bigbluebutton - thats kind of an attached different project
[03:10] <fabricius> but the normal functionalities are all part of the project
[03:11] <fabricius> one part of the tiki philosophy is: out of the box
[03:11] <fabricius> another one is: eat your own dogfoot
[03:11] <fabricius> thats why it rocks
[03:11] <fabricius> imho not only because of that
[03:11] <fabricius> the people indeed
[03:12] <olinuxx> dogfoot ? what it is ?
[03:12] <fabricius> so I go for a smoke
[03:12] <fabricius> ah ok
[03:12] <fabricius> use your own stuff
[03:12] <luciash> dogfood :) not dogfoot
[03:12] <olinuxx> ok, it's an expression
[03:12] <olinuxx> héhé
[03:13] <olinuxx> thanks for informations
[03:13] <fabricius> ahhh missspelling
[03:13] <fabricius> sooorrryyy
[03:13] <fabricius> I am very very tired
[03:13] <luciash> funny to eat own dog foot ;)
[03:13] <fabricius> jo really funny
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[03:13] <olinuxx> ahah !
[03:13] <luciash> lol
[03:13] <olinuxx> :)
[03:13] <dogfoot> fupp
[03:14] <luciash> my eyes are closing here too
[03:14] <dogfoot> olinuxx: you know what is an AMSU?
[03:14] <olinuxx> dogfoot, give me your feet, I'm hungy !
[03:14] <luciash> gotta go i think
[03:14] <olinuxx> dogfoot, no
[03:14] <luciash> enjoy .)
[03:14] <olinuxx> luciash, good night :)
[03:14] <dogfoot> KK c ya soon luciash  and thx
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[03:17] <fabricius> olinuxx: perhabs I did not give you the very right direction regarding to find the appropriate rights
[03:18] <fabricius> tiki-admingroups.php anyway you must go to tiki-admingroups.php
[03:18] <fabricius> do not remember, if its the same name in tiki2.x, but think so
[03:19] <fabricius> and then find there a button or yellow keys each besides one group in a table -  to manage groups rights
[03:20] <fabricius> a button on top somewhere and the keys besides the groups ;-)
[03:20] <fabricius> so tiured, sorry
[03:20] <olinuxx> no, thanks for suppot :)
[03:20] <olinuxx> good night
[03:21] <olinuxx> me too, I'll go to bed
[03:21] <olinuxx> bye fabricius - dogfoot
[03:21] <olinuxx> ;)
[03:21] <fabricius> you need to find a huge list of very specific rights- each with a tick box
[03:21] <fabricius> scroll through that and find the appropriate
[03:21] <fabricius> bye then
[04:01] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Users uploading music - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38687
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[04:15] <chibaguy> polom
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[04:30] <fabricius> wolod
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[05:06] <chibaguy> hi fabricius
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[06:04] <fabricius> chibaguy: hi, stefan (sitting besides me) asks me where you are from?
[06:08] <chibaguy> originally I am from Oregon, in the US, but now I live in Chiba, Japan.
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[06:28] <fabricius> cool chibaguy 
[06:28] <fabricius> stefan and me, we come from germany
[06:29] <fabricius> me from bavaria and he from baden-wuerthemberg
[06:30] <fabricius> he lives not so far from my girlfriends house 
[06:32] <fabricius> he joined the Tiki recently and says it would be ... quite a killer - same say I
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[07:07] <Tikiwiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: How to set Calendar events timezone not to UTC - http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=38690
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[07:23] <pistekjakub> hi
[07:24] <pistekjakub> is there some IT man ?
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[08:50] <xavi> polom
[08:50] * xavi has just tried a the new article clipping & newsletter sending in tiki6
[08:53] * xavi didn't get the article clipping to work (article shown in the newsletter interface, not received in the newsletter :-/ )
[08:54] <chibaguy> hi xavi. what is the clipping feature, exactly?
[08:54] * chibaguy not paying attention.
[08:54] <xavi> hi chibaguy.
[08:54] <xavi> :-)
[08:54] <xavi> let me search for some documentation (nkoth wrote something somewhere)
[08:54] <chibaguy> ok, thanks.
[08:55] <xavi> And I copied that info here: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki6#Clipping_of_Article_titles_or_headings_to_a_newsletter
[08:56] <xavi> btw, it seems that a few jquery plugins (at least) are not working in doc.t.o (as anons, at least, and using chromium)
[08:57] <xavi> neither reflect nor spreadsheet interface for sheet plugin: http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet+jq
[08:57] <xavi> dogfooding issues, I guess
[08:57] <xavi> even if they look weird, becuase that's working in other sites running trunk
[08:57] <xavi> who knows...
[08:57] <chibaguy> I sort of get the idea about clipping, but does it mean that part of an article will be pasted into a newsletter?
[08:58] <xavi> yes
[08:58] <xavi> as html
[08:58] <chibaguy> how do you specify what to clip? Is it like a wiki plugin with parameters?
[08:59] <xavi> howevr, I don't get (yet) why that feature exists as such, since it can be reproduced similarly (afaik) with module last articles, with a number of articles or a time frame
[08:59] <xavi> what to clip:I think that you can see how long you want the time period for the articles to be clipped
[08:59] <xavi> e.g.: articles in the last 120 days 
[09:00] <xavi> or adding some syntax somewhere, somehow, which I haven't tried yet
[09:00] <chibaguy> I see.
[09:00] <xavi> but I didn't get the information about the article that was shown in the newsleter interface, when I clicked in "clip now"
[09:01] <chibaguy> somebody was asking in the forum about being able to paste a forum post text into a wiki page, which sounds like similar functionality.
[09:01] <xavi> anyway, it has the nice feature to be able to edit by hand  in the newsletter interface the contents that you get from other tiki features (articles, so far), which is something missing when you add content using wiki plugins...
[09:02] <xavi> "past a forum post in a wiki page": well, we need some module or plugin to do that, I guess
[09:02] <xavi> but I don't understand why that is needed
[09:02] <xavi> s/past/paste
[09:04] <chibaguy> ah, somebody said they had a site (not tiki) where people wanted to be able to easily reference a forum post, in a wiki page, to save the "jewels" of forum discussions, show a "clipping" and a link to the forum.
[09:04] <chibaguy> could be done with a wikiplugin for sure, but would have to be coded, was my reply.
[09:06] <xavi> well, for the time being, "copy  & paste" inside the qupte plugin in that wiki page, with the addition to the url of that forum post....
[09:06] <xavi> that would do also
[09:06] <xavi> already
[09:07] <xavi> I would go for the "copy & paste" feature added to tiki, instead
[09:07] <xavi> much more versatile
[09:07] <xavi> click on "copy" somewhere
[09:07] <xavi> that text is copied to some "Tiki clipboard"
[09:07] <xavi> go somewhere else in Tiki, and click on "paste"
[09:08] <xavi> That type of feature was added to Tiki workspaces many years ago (inside AulaWiki mod), but that feature was lost, as we kind-of-lost that mod...
[09:09] <xavi> copy-paste was working for tiki resources (a full forum, and full blog, a full survey, tiki structure,e tc.), that could be copied to somewhere else (Another workspace)
[09:09] <xavi> anyway...
[09:09] <chibaguy> interesting
[09:09] <xavi> that is just to say that a generic "copy & paste" feature for text, would be more versatile, I think
[09:10] <xavi> "interesting": I know. A pity we couldn't keep that coder of aulawiki workspcaes and tikidav in the Tiki community for longer
[09:10] <chibaguy> yeah, what if there was  module (or some other mechanism) and when you click it, it pastes a wikiplugin syntax that has the highlighted text as data and the url as a parameter? would be very cool.
[09:11] <xavi> cool: yes, for sure. +1
[09:11] <xavi> well, back to testing newsletter and automatic sending of newsletters... 
[09:11] <chibaguy> ok :-)
[09:29] <chibaguy> well, I submitted a feature request "Global site reference tool" (http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3560) if anyone has some ideas.
[09:30] * chibaguy wishes for more hours in the day, more skills, faster-working brain, etc.
[09:31] <Tikiwiki|bot>  Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3560 - - Global site reference tool  - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3560
[09:33] * xavi joins chibaguy's wish :-)
[09:35] <chibaguy> unfortunately, no tracker to submit that wish (except prayers, I guess ;- ) ).
[09:36] <xavi> argh, there is something wrong in doc.t.o... preview button at the bottom of thepage shows error page: "You must specify a page name, it will be created if it doesn't exist."
[09:36] <xavi> tracker to submit those wishes: yes, prayer-tracker :-)
[09:56] <xavi> mmm, anyone here which has ever used the "Tiki User Credits" feature?
[09:57] <xavi> http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+User+Credits
[09:57] * xavi wonders how to grant credits to someone
[10:26] * chibaguy thinks Tiki functionality would grow by about 200% without any extra coding if every feature was fully documented and possible to be used.
[10:28] * chibaguy thinks the Tiki coding pioneers are way out in front of the Tiki settlers, farmers, etc.
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[12:28] <chibaguy> Is the fullscreen button missing in Tiki 5?
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[12:39] <changi> chibaguy: i don't see it
[12:58] <chibaguy> changi, it's ok in branch 6, though.
[13:01] <chibaguy> I wonder how long a checklist would be, to be sure all features etc are working for each release....
[13:02] <changi> very long
[13:02] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r29608 10/branches/6.x/installer/schema/20100925_fix_some_default_value_tiki.sql: [FIX] Missing 2 for tiki3 upgrade
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[13:10] <chibaguy> :-)
[13:12] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r29609 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] Site title text was too far to left and overlapping background image.
[13:14] <luciash> chibaguy: hi, someone hidden it in fivealive in 5
[13:19] <chibaguy> hi luciash. do you see it in other themes? I don't, in the few I tried.
[13:23] <luciash> hmm, or layout css ?
[13:24] <luciash> i think i fixed it for 6 (brng it back) not sure about tiki 5
[13:24] <luciash> latest branch5 ?
[13:24] <changi> yes
[13:25] <luciash> maybe it was in layout.css or design.css, i don't remember correctly
[13:26] <changi> all themes have the same issue
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[13:27] <Wizek> hi there
[13:29] <Wizek> I'd like to use tikiwiki for my site, because I need certain features of it. But it seems to be too robust and loaded with a lot of features I don't need yet. How can I disable as much of those as I don't need? I only want it to construct the HTML page for the entrys and use my JS and CSS files for now. I'll expand my site gradually.
[13:36] <luciash> chibaguy: you will figure out :)
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[13:38] <luciash> Wizek_: just disable all on Admin > Features
[13:38] <Wizek_> luciash: taking a look
[13:39] <luciash> keep only wiki
[13:39] <luciash> and setup on Admin > wiki to your needs
[13:42] <luciash> alternatively you can use teh Articles (CMS) feature only... or if you want really go hardcore, enable the deprecated HTML pages feature only and disable wiki... you'll have plain html pages, but not good for SEO iirc
[13:43] <luciash> but the wiki way has the advantage of keeping history of your changes for you, so i recommend it
[13:44] <luciash> xavi: hi
[13:45] <luciash> xavi: tonight i was playing with perspectives (workspaces) and they're really powerful
[13:45] <xavi> hi luciash
[13:45] <xavi> glad you know how to
[13:46] <xavi> I will when yuo need just a few clicks to go through them
[13:46] <luciash> xavi: you know too, right ?
[13:46] * xavi getting lazy as time passes...
[13:46] * xavi still dreams of some simple UI , requesting a few clicks to have the workspace cretaed for you, etc.
[13:48] <luciash> you mean datachannels and user tracker at registration time couldn't do the job ?
[13:49] <luciash> but simple perspective, like having your own logo and theme per user already is possible with the perspectives edit in few clicks
[13:49] <luciash> (and drag and drops)
[13:49] <luciash> ;)
[13:51] <luciash> s/per user/per perspective user has view perms on/
[13:55] <xavi> no idea, luci, too much giberish to me. I'll understand when I see working examples documetned, and not theories
[13:56] * xavi is starting to get bored of hearing about datachannels, but very little documentation about working examples and proven use cases (and profiles to use them).
[13:56] <xavi> bbl (luch time + walk the dog)
[13:57] <xavi> btw, just finished adding some more documentation of what I understood of: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+User+Credits
[13:57] <xavi> bbl
[13:57] <Wizek_> how do I create a Theme for Tiki? I'd like to include my cusom CSS file
[13:57] <Wizek_> *custom
[14:00] <luciash> Wizek_: start with empty.css
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[14:00] <luciash> Wizek_: copy it and rename to yourthemename.css and paste your css at the end of the file
[14:01] <Wizek_> luciash: ty
[14:01] <luciash> Wizek_: if you have some images or other files related to the theme, put them in styles/yourthemename/ subdirectory
[14:02] <luciash> xavi: sorry, i will try to create profile for it maybe
[14:03] <luciash> xavi: "Workspace Wizard" or something like that
[14:04] <Wizek_> luciash: Hah! I've found an error in the default Empty.css :D
[14:05] <Wizek_> Is it good if I say it here? Is anyone interested? :)
[14:05] <luciash> why is that error so funny ?
[14:05] <luciash> good to say here
[14:06] <chibaguy> I've never looked at empty.css since it was made, I think. (didn't really think it was very helpful)
[14:06] <chibaguy> I usually start a theme by copying an existing theme like jqui.css, which is pretty basic already.
[14:07] <chibaguy> ..but has things styled that are usually good to style.
[14:07] <Wizek_> @import url("layout/design.css)"; this way design.css wasn't imported
[14:09] <luciash> Wizek_: it is no error
[14:09] <luciash> it is correct CSS
[14:09] <Wizek_> )" has to be swapped to ")
[14:09] <luciash> ah, right, sorry, overlooked
[14:10] <luciash> the quote is misplaced
[14:10] <luciash> thank you
[14:10] <Wizek_> yep, yw :)
[14:10] <Wizek_> I never thought I'd contribute to tiki development this quickly :D
[14:10] <luciash> hehe
[14:12] <Wizek_> Is there a way I can clean up this (http://prntscr.com/z2hi) mess tiki creates for page structure? I do not need that many divs there...
[14:12] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r29610 10/branches/6.x/styles/empty.css: [FIX] empty theme: misplaced quote, thanks to Wizek on IRC
[14:13] <luciash> yes
[14:15] <Wizek_> luciash: how? I'm listening. I only need an article section, where content goes, and a top menu section, which I hope tici will be able to generate me as I need it.
[14:15] <luciash> Wizek_: you can start using skeleton theme instead which has also custom template file in templates/styles/skeleton/tiki.tpl (which is slightly reduced, but some divs are still mandatory, if you need column layout... if you don't, you can remove lot except #tiki-center)
[14:15] <luciash> the default tiki.tpl is in templates/ root
[14:15] <Wizek_> taking a look
[14:16] <luciash> every theme can have its own tpl file overriding the default ones btw
[14:16] <luciash> but it is not recomended for column designs because of upgrades will be painful to check what changed in the original templates
[14:17] <Wizek_> what do you refer to with column designs? 
[14:17] <luciash> oh, yes, for top you need #header
[14:17] <luciash> and for footer, #footer divs of course, to keep too
[14:17] <luciash> left and right columns
[14:18] <Wizek_> I won't have those.
[14:18] <luciash> if you plan only header and main content, then you don't need such complex layout in templates
[14:18] <Wizek_> exactly :)
[14:19] <luciash> if you want fixed width centered design, you need to keep the #fixedwidth div
[14:19] <luciash> that should do it
[14:19] <luciash> happy styling
[14:19] <Wizek_> luciash: so should I overwrite the tiki.tpl or I copy somewhere and rename it?
[14:20] <luciash> better is copy to templates/styles/yourthemename/tiki.tpl
[14:21] <Wizek_> alright
[14:21] <chibaguy> Wizek_: http://themes.tiki.org/Tiki+Transforming (and links from that page) outline the process to make a new theme.
[14:22] <chibaguy> page is a little old but still has the basics.
[14:23] <chibaguy> bbl
[14:35] <olinuxx> mmh luciash, I've watch on the module's side that you pointed me last night, but I don't find that I'm search, can you look it 2 mins please ? (or no ?)
[14:38] <Wizek_> luciash: I've copied and edited tiki.tpl but it doesn't seem to have any effect
[14:39] <luciash> Wizek_: no way, it must work
[14:39] <luciash> try go to tiki-admin_system.php?do=all to clear your Tiki cache
[14:41] <Wizek_> done, no change.
[14:41] <Wizek_> I placed it in styles/MyStyle dir with the name tiki.tpl 
[14:41] <luciash> wrong place
[14:42] <luciash> told u where to copy few lines above
[14:42] <Wizek_> yea, missed templates folder
[14:43] <luciash> ok
[14:50] <luciash> olinuxx: sorry ?
[14:50] <luciash> olinuxx: i don't remember xactly
[14:52] <olinuxx> luciash, for have bookmark for users
[14:52] <olinuxx> I watch it, all is actived, but if you look on linuxmao.org,
[14:53] <olinuxx> you have a "test olinuxx" on upper menu, section "Mon linuxMAO" who links to bookmark
[14:53] <olinuxx> I try to have bookmarks on this menu, directly, without pass by tiki_user_bookmark
[14:53] <olinuxx> luciash, is it possible ?
[14:55] <luciash> nope
[14:57] <luciash> you can have the bookmarks module as menu on left, but not included in regular menu per user afaik
[14:57] <olinuxx> mm interesting ... :)
[14:58] <olinuxx> I go to look on it, thanks ;)
[14:58] <luciash> look for the module
[14:59] <olinuxx> I'm on it ;)
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[15:24] <xavi> back
[15:25] <xavi> thanks luciash for your offering to create a demo profile for workspaces
[15:26] <olinuxx> luciash, It's enabled now ! Thanks again :)
[15:27] <olinuxx> luciash, ques_tion : Is the wiki syntaxe works with 3.X (and after) version ? With my 2.4, I need to put "tiki-index?page=stuff"
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[17:47] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29611 10/branches/6.x/lib/tiki-js.js: [MOD] plugin editor: Don't put fields with content in, in the advanced section
[17:49] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29612 10/branches/6.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php: [FIX] ckeditor: Don't try and load the home page as a stylesheet if the style option is not set or doesn't exist (makes things a bit slow)
[17:50] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29613 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php: [FIX] trackerlist: implode warning
[17:53] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29614 10/branches/6.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:53] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: [FIX] ckeditor: Clean out cke_protected comments occurring on missing images,
[17:53] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: remove duplicated code for reparsing, improve content recovery for ajax errors
[17:53] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: (a little temporary debug code still in there for now) and a couple of comment
[17:53] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: changes
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[18:04] <xavi> changi ?
[18:04] <xavi> http://dev.tiki.org/Daily+Build seems to be down
[18:04] <xavi> "Tiki is unable to connect to the database"
[18:04] <xavi> mose ?
[18:04] <xavi> see above
[18:04] <xavi> in case you mose also have access to that dev.t.o server (I don't know)
[18:05] <xavi> sylvieg ^fyi
[18:05] <xavi> einc?
[18:05] <xavi> nowadays, it loads....
[18:05] <xavi> who knows, unstable dev.t.o , it seems
[18:06] <xavi> buit at least now it loads to me again
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[21:53] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r29615 10/trunk/ (9 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] feature archive comments
[22:10] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r29616 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: little typo, tweaks and restored the powered by button
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[22:59] <CIA-69> tikiwiki: 03luciash * r29617 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-install.tpl: [FIX] installer: prevent empty browser title
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[23:20] <luciash> hi
[23:20] <luciash> where are browser titles set for Tiki ?
[23:20] <luciash> some are missing and i would like to add them but cannot find where
[23:21] <luciash> for example tiki-edit_perspective.php has no browser title
[23:26] <luciash> ah, found it
[23:26] <luciash> $smarty->assign('headtitle', tra('Perspectives'));
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[23:55] <mike_hurley_1> hopefully this is an obvious question as the tikiwiki documentation wasn't too clear...can tikiwiki do inline categories like media wiki?
[23:57] <ricks99> Tiki has extensive category support. What is an "inline" category?
[23:58] <ricks99> I am not overly familiar with mediawiki
[23:59] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie
[23:59] <mike_hurley_1> in media wiki you can put in the page body '[[Category:bla]]' and category bla is created and the page is put in that category without having to admin the categories separately