#tikiwiki 2010-10-12,Tue

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mlaporte	polom niclone: ping	[00:48]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r29960 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/prefs.php: [MOD] change default behavior for new installs. Tiki no longer blocks duplicates in file galleries. This feature causes support requests.	[01:23]
mlaporte	the top banner is weird on http://doc.tiki.org/ (sides are missing)	[01:32]
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chibaguy	changi, at doc.t.o, http://doc.tiki.org/styles/fivealive/kiwi/siteheadertile.png isn't being used (page background file). ah, sorry, http://doc.tiki.org/styles/fivealive/options/kiwi/siteheadertile.png. The file is there, but not displaying, maybe due to CSS minification problem or something.	[03:57]
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coaboa	good morning.	[05:09]
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chahn	Hi :) I am translating language.php into korean. When I finish it as much as present Japanese I want it to be inserted into new tiki6. How can I do that? Would anyone please help me?	[05:52]
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changi	chahn: you can send me the language.php chahn: changi@tikiwiki.org	[08:08]
chahn	changi, I see. Thank you :)	[08:09]
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changi	chahn: no problem	[08:18]
xavi	polom changi, error in this page for me: http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+Status Tiki is unable to conect to the database, etc. g'morning, btw :-) many notices related to undefined indexes shown also in the error page mmmm, ok, works for me now weird bbl	[08:20]
changi	xavi: yes chinese are indexing all tiki website, xavi: a little too hard for our little server xavi: so it is possible that we have some load effect	[08:30]
	a new searchengine : webdup/0.9	[08:36]
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xavi	back. ok, changi, thanks for info	[08:57]
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_Gergely	Good evening/morning! I have two questions accumulated by now. Q1: Does anyone have at hand the string operation to remove the <p> and </p> from the pretty tracker template's {f_23\|escape}? Annoyingly, tiki5.1 pretty tracker still adds the paragraph to the text area types. Q2: Tiki5.1 adodb does not handle new tracker comment properly: the values are put into an array, which is not used as exploded. The result is a comment saying	[09:42]
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_Gergely	.. Q1 is also a security leak in my opinion.	[09:45]
luci	poohloom	[09:45]
_Gergely	hi Are you luciash?	[09:45]
luci	hi _Gergely why is Q1 sec leak ? yeah, luciash abroad here :)	[09:46]
_Gergely	because you are tempted to say {$f_15} i.s.o. {$f_15\|escape}	[09:47]
luci	hmm, arenßt they sanitized auto-magically ?	[09:48]
_Gergely	if someone enters something nasty into f_15, how knows what happens. am I right? you must be in Germany :)	[09:48]
luci	lol, nope, in switzerland :D this crappy windows keyboard layout ;) might be that u r right, i will look into it	[09:48]
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xavi	re-polom. hi luciash and _Gergely	[10:16]
_Gergely	hi xavi	[10:16]
xavi	kind of off-topic (maybe?), but _Gergely, upgrade to 5.3 to avoid proven security leaks	[10:16]
_Gergely	right, it might also help the "Array" comments	[10:18]
xavi	who knows (maybe) then , for sure, if still an issue, it will deserve some bug report at the bug tracker and a ping to the devel list luciash: going to the tikifestin in Berlin? btw, luciash, nice pics from NY	[10:19]
luci	hola xavi!	[10:22]
xavi	hi luciash! :-)	[10:22]
luci	xavi: not sure yet about Berlin xavi: thanks	[10:22]
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xavi	oups, sorry, I thought tikifestberlin was these days.... and it's November 12, not October 12 (not enough coffe today)	[10:24]
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xavi	back to grade students (my most common activity it seems during academic months :-/ )	[10:26]
luci	:) bbl, lunch	[10:30]
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luci	re hi chibaguy	[10:44]
chibaguy	hi luci	[10:50]
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luci	chibaguy: going to use the green blog theme for one site based on Tiki 6 luci fixed the CSS to position the logo at themes.t.o	[11:05]
chibaguy	ah, ok.	[11:06]
luci	is there tiki5 or 6 version ? i just got the version 4 tarball	[11:07]
chibaguy	a tiki5 version	[11:09]
luci	itßs not linked from http://themes.tiki.org/Green+Blog where can i get it ?	[11:10]
chibaguy	http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/mods/trunk/themes/greenblog_tiki_5/?view=tar I guess I forgot to make the link.	[11:10]
luci	thank u i will add it added	[11:11]
chibaguy	k, thanks.	[11:15]
luci	any idea why the fivelive is now "forced to total fixed width" ? the floating "post-it" note is positioned over the left column also	[11:20]
chibaguy	Do you mean that fivealive can't be full width?	[11:25]
luci	i mean that it is too much fixed width on tv., doc. and themes. (at least) the header background is not full viewport width anymore	[11:27]
chibaguy	ah, right. I saw a problem like that at doc.t.o.	[11:28]
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fabricius	polom!	[11:29]
luci	hi fabricius	[11:29]
chibaguy	The background image isn't being used, that usually goes full width. hi fabricius	[11:29]
fabricius	I have set up my perspectives and workspaces demosite would like to have / need some feedback www.workspace.vafk.org would be nice, if s.b. had a look on it at it	[11:29]
chahn	Hi fabricius :) Could you hear me? I shouted there.	[11:40]
fabricius	lol ... did read your post - thx what do you say? would you think, that would be any help to understand perspectives and workspaces?	[11:41]
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chahn	I am still confusing. :) hehe you wrote there Do you allow anybody to register there?	[11:44]
fabricius	my first idea would be to make up a clean example, but if you want to have a look at the configuration, you can get a login alright	[11:47]
chahn	Oh, now I understand the difference between them. The workspace opens another main menu.	[11:47]
fabricius	a sandbox to play around would be another idea - why not? but mostlikely with a second installation like www.ws-sandbox... or so workspace and perspective is not really a difference to get a workspace out of a perspective (or several?) you just need to configure the categories and the permissions for that perspective the core and the killer, that really extends Tiki is the perspectives-feature even in Tikiwiki2, when I started a year ago, I did setup kind of workspaces, but I was limited by the menus and by the group orientation my start for my project was always the idea of an intranet with virtual work groups perspectives now allows to divide a Tiki installation into any number of layers	[11:48]
_Gergely	luci: "pretty tracker wiki-parses all fields" includes an answer to Q1 http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3576	[11:53]
fabricius	combining this layers of visibility with certain rights/permissions organised by groups and categories, you can setup kind of bubbles - the workspaces - that can be nearly independent websites or virtual work groups next would be the understanding of multidomain, that mostlikely allows us to give each workspace a certain indivudual domain or subdomain so multidomain is not so much necessary for workspaces, but extends the hole thing again massively (in my point of view) evereybody who made this possible and will come to the TikiFest in Berlin next november should get a hug ;-)	[11:54]
chahn	fabricius, thanks for the enthusiastic explanation. Though I don't know even about perspectives I learned that those can be very nice to you, maybe someday to me too.	[12:02]
fabricius	yes - I think that depends on the size and the structure of your project(s)	[12:02]
chahn	Can you tell me about it a little bit more? Your project	[12:03]
fabricius	no prob	[12:03]
chahn	I hope I can have idea about the perspectives and workspace's usage.	[12:04]
fabricius	have a look there: http://tiki.org/Torstens+Project thats an attachment to my UserPage	[12:04]
chahn	OK thanks	[12:04]
luci	fabricius: w.w.v.o looks good	[12:07]
fabricius	thx a lot luci it´s just a starter	[12:08]
luci	sure, i mean as the perspectives demo	[12:09]
fabricius	yes, sure	[12:09]
luci	Kimberlee: hi !	[12:09]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r29961 10/branches/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX/ENH] fix lost translations + some more tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r29962 10/branches/6.x/tiki-sefurl.php: [FIX] Don't try to use sefurl on external links. Spotted by Jyhem.	[12:24]
chahn	fabricius: Your project is very interesting and your userpage too.	[12:29]
fabricius	ah thank you	[12:29]
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chahn	fabricius, : Because I still don't understand the concept of perspective and workspace... May I interprete that perspectives and workspaces are all related to layers with its real data's url hidden (having seperate several DBs or tikis)?	[12:40]
fabricius	chahn: (having seperate several DBs or tikis)? -> no chahn: but in the effect of the view, that would be possible to look alike chahn: I did not code a single letter of that, so I can only speak from the point of view of a user or admin chahn: leave the workspace idea for a moment and let´s concentrate on the perspective imagine, you are standing somewhere in the garden of your house you want to think about a new design of the garden and the house	[12:41]
luci	chibaguy: i think it must be something else... the http://cdn.themes.tiki.org/styles/fivealive/options/grape/siteheadertile.png appears to be correctly loaded	[12:44]
fabricius	if you now would have a 360° view and see all at once, you would be confused	[12:44]
chahn	fabricius, I am interested in such things because I need a website (multi-lingual). To me some menus are not configured well for many reasons. So I thought they could be helpful to me too. Please, go on with your explanation.	[12:45]
Kimberlee	luci: Hi! Sorry, was away and forgot I was signed on. :-o	[12:45]
fabricius	so you look at the trees and then you look towards the house and the you look from the house to the backyard ...	[12:45]
luci	Kimberlee: np :) got my message ?	[12:45]
Kimberlee	luci: got ur message but you're not able to receive messages so I couldn't reply :-)	[12:45]
fabricius	you look at your garden from different perspectives and you will see, what you focus at the certain moment	[12:46]
luci	Kimberlee: ah, what a shame :-p	[12:46]
fabricius	hi Kimberlee	[12:46]
Kimberlee	but ur pics are great, looks like u all had a good time hello fabricius	[12:46]
luci	Kimberlee: i thought the reply will come by email... anyway, going to fix that on t.o right now	[12:46]
Kimberlee	super :-)	[12:47]
fabricius	a perspective in Tiki is some kind the same way just another perspective from what you look towards the website	[12:47]
luci	Kimberlee: done ;) thanks for letting me know... dunno why i had it switched off (maybe ppl used it to spam me a lot ;))	[12:48]
Kimberlee	:-) r u home?	[12:49]
chahn	Ok, I think I understand what you mean about perspective (although with the same contents we can approach differently right?)	[12:49]
fabricius	like looking towards the backyard from the house and to the hous from the backyard and to the front of the house from the street, you always look at the ensemble of your house and garden, but everytime you see another part from another PERSPECTIVE YES	[12:49]
luci	Kimberlee: thanks, glad u like the pics, i am in Switzerland now, so abroad again... we are visiting sister of my wife	[12:50]
fabricius	before that feature, you could deside what group can see what features, pages, etc.	[12:50]
Kimberlee	luci: thats good you get to take a holiday together now.	[12:50]
fabricius	so you could invite friends who have been allowed to see the front of the house, OR the back of the house OR the backyard OR the house and the garden the same time but you did not have the possibility to give them the opportunity to chosse by semselves, to see first this and then that only this AND that the same time	[12:51]
luci	Kimberlee: yup yup Kimberlee: awaiting your reply now :)	[12:52]
chahn	I am listening thankfully. go on fabricius please.	[12:53]
fabricius	chahn: and now your guests have the opportunity to walk around by themselves, stand here and there and choose the perspective from where they want or need to have a look in the end you are able now to devide your garden into logical areas and mark points on the floor, with arrows and tell your friends: "hey, walk there, stand there and have a look in that direction" if you look at the demo website, those points on the floor would be represented by the menuitems in he Top Bar, offering you the different perspectives towards the website dividing it into several logical areas and those areas can include different contents	[12:53]
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ripero	hi	[12:58]
Kimberlee	luci: done :-)	[12:58]
chahn	fabricius, thanks for the wonderful explanation. I think I am much inspired. I will be right back after vising your site again.	[12:58]
ripero	is there any way to get rid of the <br /> printed after every </ol> and </ul> ?	[12:58]
fabricius	like activities that you might see from perspective one, contacts from perspective two and history of your organisation from perspective three and so on ok	[12:58]
chibaguy	ripero, is this in wikitext?	[12:59]
ripero	I suppose so	[13:00]
chibaguy	you're not sure?	[13:00]
ripero	I mean, I get that extra br when I use wikisyntax, but I am quite a newbie looking at the code	[13:01]
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chibaguy	If you leave a blank line after the list syntax, then it probably causes a br tag.	[13:02]
ripero	the problem is that it is generated without any empty line	[13:02]
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chibaguy	maybe due to the wiki paragraph option.	[13:02]
luci	ripero: try with Admin > Wiki > Wiki paragraph formating	[13:03]
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ripero	thanks for the suggestion, but it doesn't work I have something like * first line // indented line // another indented item // + final comment for the first item // * second item and I am getting a <br /> after the </ul> of the indented list	[13:10]
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ripero	while if I remove the line starting with '+' ( * first line // indented line // another indented item // * second item ) there's no <br /> before the second item, as it should be	[13:14]
luci	can u paste it somewhere or point me to the wiki page ?	[13:20]
chahn	fabricius, sorrily I still don't understand the technical core which makes perspectives-using site special from ordinary html coded sites. how can I experience the perspective with my tiki?	[13:21]
fabricius	changi: I would not say, that "perspectives-using site" are "special from ordinary html coded sites" - that would be like comparing a car with an orange :-D	[13:26]
ripero	luci: http://ripero.ecm.ub.es/tw/tiki-index.php?page=Docencia,+aprendizaje+y+comunicaci%C3%B3n	[13:27]
fabricius	changi: sorry missdirected chahn: I would not say, that "perspectives-using site" are "special from ordinary html coded sites" - that would be like comparing a car with an orange :-D Tiki is - like many other content managing systems (for ex. drupal, joomla, typo3, wordpress, mediawiki, ...) a PHP-Software, that sends HTML content from a webserver to a webclient chahn: what you see in your webbrowser (Internet Explorer, Firefox etc.) is still HTML, never mind wich CMS the webdesigner uses, or if he is coding PHP or HTML or whatelse manually perspectives is just a function in the software Tiki, that allows site-structures and views, wich different "big" systems like Typo3 can offer aswell.	[13:27]
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chahn	fabricius, ok :) let me get in the car.. oh i am already in there ! .. listening... oh I see.	[13:32]
fabricius	there we would come to a discussion weather the concept how Tiki achieves things would be better or worse than other CMS - I would like to postpone that; just so far, I like the way how Tiki does things and I am glad, that TIki extends what it is able to and that it sticks to its tradition how it does so back to your question	[13:34]
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fabricius	perspectives are a nice to configure way to achieve different views of your site - in a way, that you are able to give every so much "logical areas" of your site a different look, a different structure, a different behaviour - independant of groups and features	[13:37]
changi	fabricius: no problem	[13:37]
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fabricius	what I was missing in Tiki for the last month and desperately waiting for was that possibility to divide the sit in "logical content areas" an example: there is a mainpage and several local groups	[13:38]
chahn	Now I think I am getting closer to perspectives, broadening my perspectives. thanks, please go on.	[13:39]
fabricius	each local group wants to use the same template and the same structure, but different localized content	[13:39]
chahn	ok	[13:40]
luci	ripero: it seems to be a rendering bug	[13:41]
fabricius	so for each local group we need local points of views - perspectives, where a website user (visitor) can see the appropriate local content	[13:41]
ripero	luci: that's what I feared	[13:41]
luci	ripero: of the tiki wiki parser	[13:41]
fabricius	chahn: we could set this up with some extended version of my demosite	[13:41]
luci	ripero: maybe you can workaround it using {DIV} around the numbered list	[13:42]
chahn	ok, fabricious, I thank you so much for today's explanation.	[13:42]
fabricius	chahn: whats now, if a local group calls the admin and wants to change the logo in the header of their local site, just as they might have made up a local variation? chahn: admin uploads the logo in the appropriate folder of the installation (for ex.: /img/tiki), goes to tiki-edit-perspectives.php and tell the perspective of our local group not to use the standart logo anymore, but the variation save and done and it doesn´t matter if you have 2 local groeups or 50 just a matter that you name the perspectives and for automatisation of setting up the perspectives and workspaces you need to understand datachannels I will learn that soon, perspectives are step one got it now, or more questionsß ?	[13:43]
chahn	fabricius, then will you allow for me to register there? now there is no link to register in your site. Maybe I may understand better when I be one of your local group members. I experimented theme changing according to users' permission or level but I just didn't understand how perspectives extend its feature.	[13:48]
ripero	luci: thanks, I think I will workaroud it directly using HTML luci: concerning the "bug", should I open a ticket?	[13:48]
luci	ripero: would be nice of u	[13:49]
chahn	I don't know datachannels I will study it and I hope we can talk about that later.	[13:50]
ripero	luci: ok (in fact I think I have spotted the problematic br in the code of tikilib.php, but I am not sure of it)	[13:51]
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chahn	fabricius, I meant that if it is possible, let me be your registered user of your experimental site next time.	[13:59]
fabricius	chahn: I will grant you access, but please in this stage do not play around - just look - I will setup a sandbox site aswell, where you can experiment like hell ;-) it is not setup everything working fine and I want a clean base-dumb from that database ok?	[13:59]
chahn	sure :)	[14:01]
fabricius	and right now I did not yet set up any users permissions - just to be able to show the basic structure to anonymous users but would be interesting for you to see the perspectives-configuration-panel need your e-mail	[14:01]
chahn	fabricius, ok I am contented with your explanation and you made me feel to study more thanks. Sure My email is aWaterDrop@4MotherRiver.org fabricius, I have to go now and thanks again, see you soon :)	[14:02]
fabricius	jupi see ya you can mail me: fabricius@vafk.de	[14:05]
chahn	bye all, have a nice day!! ok fabricius thanks :) bye	[14:06]
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luci	chibaguy: what do u think about my message from 8:44 ? (must be 14:44 for you ?)	[14:19]
ripero	luci: I think the parser problem is in line 6562 of tikilib.php (at least removing that br solves my problem, but I don't know if I generate another one)	[14:21]
luci	ripero: i think it should be fine not to generate any br after ol	[14:22]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03eromneg * r29963 10/branches/6.x/templates/tracker_item_field_input.tpl: [FIX] typo for textarea field {textarea} row capture ref tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r29964 10/branches/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] French translations	[14:27]
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xavi	ripero?	[14:56]
ripero	xavi: yep	[14:57]
xavi	what version of tiki is that? 3.x? jonnyb around ?	[14:57]
jonnyb	hi xavi	[14:57]
xavi	ripero, what version of tiki are you using, where you see this problem with extra br being added to lists? jonnyb, ripero seems to have found a bug in the parser related to adding extra br's but he's unsure about his potential fix if you could have a look... see aboove...	[14:58]
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jonnyb	what's the question? (ripero / xavi)	[15:01]
xavi	ok, hold on	[15:01]
jonnyb	he's gone?	[15:01]
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xavi	:-/ it seems so (he moving from one computer to another one) ripero, can you tell jonnyb again your problem and potential solution that you found?	[15:02]
ripero	sorry back ok	[15:03]
xavi	thks	[15:03]
ripero	I have a list with a nested sublist	[15:04]
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xavi	like this?: http://ripero.ecm.ub.es/tw/tiki-index.php?page=Docencia,+aprendizaje+y+comunicaci%C3%B3n	[15:04]
ripero	yep so I want to have a "+" line after the sublist	[15:04]
jonnyb	a "+" line you mean a show/hide header?	[15:05]
ripero	no, an indented line I was getting an "extra" <br /> between the sublist and the "+" line	[15:05]
fabricius	a question to external content:	[15:07]
ripero	in order to remove it, it seems I have to remove the <br /> in line 6562 of tikilib.php (this is the line number in trunk)	[15:07]
fabricius	it is possible to link external websites into the tiki via IFRAME	[15:07]
ripero	in 5.3 it's the 6750	[15:08]
fabricius	and as far as I know there is another PlugIn to link content from other Tiki sites	[15:08]
jonnyb	you have wiki paragraph formatting on? oh, right - no idea in 5 sorry done hours of work on it in 6.x - should be better	[15:08]
ripero	I tried it (on/off) and it seemed not to affect that	[15:09]
jonnyb	this is an ongoing battle - i've spent weeks looking into it - it's very non-trivial	[15:10]
ripero	I don't have 6.x, but I tried the same kind of syntax on a preview of the dev.tiki and the same thing happened	[15:10]
jonnyb	removing that line would be very likely to have consequences somewhere else	[15:10]
fabricius	is it (easily) possible to link the textarea of one Tiki installation (perhabs on a distant server) into another Tiki as internal content? like if two partnersites would like to share content, but not the same installation?	[15:10]
ripero	well, it's within a elseif ($litype == '+') so should only affect lines starting by + and it really seems to only affect this thing of indented lists	[15:11]
jonnyb	maybe, sorry ripero - on 3 other projects already at the moment, not enough spare brain-bandwidth ;)	[15:15]
ripero	jonnyb: you seem really busy :o; should I commit the change, then?	[15:21]
chealer	polom	[15:21]
jonnyb	commit where?	[15:21]
ripero	trunk?	[15:22]
jonnyb	how can you commit to trunk if you only have 5? to test? trunk will be tiki 7 all energy is now in 6.x	[15:22]
ripero	I also have a svn trunk somewhere	[15:24]
jonnyb	please don't commit fixes on branches you haven't tested (sorry - on phone - please give me a few mins)	[15:24]
ripero	ok, ok	[15:25]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r29965 10/branches/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] more French Translations	[15:29]
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amette_	when I put DIVs or imgs side to side, the right one is always a bit lower than the left one, resulting in a kind of "stairway"... any idea on how to fix that?	[15:57]
jonnyb	hi amette_ turn on wiki paragraph formatting (and update to 6.x ;) )	[16:04]
amette_	jonnyb: that's it!! Great, thanks! :)	[16:09]
jonnyb	:)	[16:09]
xavi	ripero: maybe you can commit to proposals/5.x but that should be after you test in trunk, and it doesn't break anything else in trunk and refer to that commit in trunk when you commit in proposals/5.x so that the "Quality team" (jonnyb and others are inside it) might have a chance to review it, if any new 5.x version is to be released (not very likely, however) afaik so, commits are expected to be done in 6.x (if fixes), or in trunk if new features (your case looks like a fix)	[16:10]
ripero	ok	[16:13]
xavi	and backport to whatever branch, if you wish, for the possible case that there is some new release of that branch in the future	[16:13]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r29966 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/function.helplink.php: [KIL] Smarty function helplink, apparently unused since at least Tiki 2	[16:13]
amette_	hmmm, interestingly that only works in the preview...	[16:13]
ripero	thanks for the help and advice	[16:13]
xavi	so I would say , i fyou feel that this minor change/commit to that lib you saw, is very specific for lists, go ahead, fix it in tiki6, and comit to proposals/5.x also	[16:13]
chealer	hum... was anyone actually using helplink?	[16:14]
xavi	you are welcome, and thanks for willing to commit fixes :-)	[16:14]
amette_	oh, tiki 5 ok... forget it, I'll report back later.. ;)	[16:14]
ripero	xavi: you know, that's part of the ecosystem ;)	[16:18]
xavi	:-)	[16:18]
jonnyb	hi all - off the fone finally ripero: you ok with all this now? and can commit to 6.x? (sorry it's all so complicated) http://dev.tiki.org/Where+to+commit has more details (possibly not quite up to date)	[16:18]
luci	+1 to have it for 6	[16:19]
ripero	yes, that's where says that 6.x = trunk	[16:20]
xavi	oups xavi fixes that inacuracy	[16:20]
jonnyb	has anyone seen (on 5.x) normal registered users ending up in the admin group? (all of them?!?!?)	[16:21]
xavi	jonnyb, is it norma that messages warning that edit session will expire in 20 min (etc) disappear so quickly from the wiki edit page?	[16:21]
jonnyb	can't seem to remove them from it also	[16:21]
xavi	jonnyb: nope	[16:22]
jonnyb	message reappears 5 minutes before the timeout	[16:22]
ripero	nope	[16:22]
jonnyb	it shouldn't show at all when loading, just no time to fix that	[16:22]
xavi	message: yes, but the first time is shown for 1 second, or so , to me (using Chrome 6)	[16:22]
jonnyb	i think monkeys have been in my tiki! :)	[16:22]
xavi	ok, ok	[16:22]
ripero	jonnyb, luci: it's a little difficult for me to test and commit to 6.x before Friday if it is not too late, I'll proceed then	[16:23]
eromneg	chealer: not seen any tiki-adminusers.php commits - so was wondering whether you are still looking at the batch user upload problem?	[16:26]
jonnyb	ripero - that fix will probably need to have a condition round it, like only do it if wiki paragraph formatting is off - you'll need to test various configs	[16:26]
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ripero	ok	[16:28]
xavi	http://dev.tiki.org/Where+to+commit updated	[16:29]
chealer	eromneg: yes, I just closed the other problem with Admin Users. I'm looking at the batch bug after my training	[16:30]
eromneg	ok great - thanks	[16:30]
jonnyb	thanks xavi	[16:31]
xavi	np	[16:31]
luci	ripero: i can do it for u	[16:36]
ripero	luci: thanks!	[16:37]
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jonnyb	nice! - someone had set registered to inherit from admins - (too liberal with tiki_p_admin on this site ;) )	[16:42]
ripero	:o	[16:42]
luci	hehe, what site jonnyb ? :)	[16:45]
jonnyb	it's a secret! ;) fixed now anyway	[16:45]
luci	g	[16:46]
	bbl, food	[16:59]
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ricks99	anyone else having issues with dynamic tracker lists in tiki 6 beta? i'm trying to duplicate the example from docs: http://doc.tiki.org/Dynamic+items+list but not working :(	[17:09]
CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03sept_7 * r29967 10/branches/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [ENH] More Franch translations	[17:12]
ricks99	odd, it works from within the tracker interface, but not the tracker plugin...	[17:14]
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amette_	upgrade was a pain and made matter worse.. :P ... need to run now - bbl	[17:31]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29968 10/branches/6.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.textarea.php: [FIX] textarea: Some place (blog post for instance) uses area_id. There may be others so supporting both params for now. (fixes JS errors on blog post toolbar) tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29969 10/branches/6.x/tiki-send_newsletters.php: [FIX] newsletters: Correct cookietab handling	[17:39]
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jonnyb	hi sylvieg - i have a fix ready for the paragraph thing, are you about to test if i commit? (i probably will anyway, looks ok to me)	[17:53]
sylvieg	nice	[17:54]
jonnyb	just checking the unit tests (like a good boy) seems ok - here it comes	[17:55]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r29970 10/branches/6.x/ (4 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] parse_data: Respect the wysiwyg setting on pages regarding wiki paragraph formatting as you can "allow html" on a page but not be editing it in wysywyg mode (where it was losing line breaks). tikiwiki: Done by adding process_wiki_paragraphs option to parse_data, have done wiki pade edit, may need deploying further afield.	[17:59]
jonnyb	ok sylvieg - give it your worst! (i'm going out - ha ha ha :) )	[18:00]
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jonnyb	off now - more tomorrow...	[18:15]
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xavi	c u all	[18:56]
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Trebly	<sylvieg> I still have problems to run a minimum tikiwiki app. I have a dysfunctions on an OVH 5.3 installation, my local windows installation is OK with full utf-8 database support. Text sent by OVH or displayed (received ?) by Firefox are by parts converted to latin1, so typical elements of the displayed with the "?", but more some conversions into <urls> of <a> tag make the application not functionnal. The same page with same database is perfectly displayed locally served by my Apache-Php The .htaccess are quite identical (from tiki). I have no explanation, no more any idea to search the problem.	[19:09]
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Trebly	<silvieg> nota : I have synchronized the databases and tested multi-conversions from-to sql. The tikiwiki are both copied form actual 5.3. Some curious things (different messages) on database validations during install and admin messages. The OVH installation still says that the database is not right while the local install is OK. Both install need to use upgrade and convert and after... ...considered as OK, but these upgrades and conversion (convert utf-8, don't changes anything on my database which has been manually converted for 5.0) There are, too, problems with login and rights with OVH installation.	[19:28]
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luciash	good night all	[21:41]
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CIA-60	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r29972 10/trunk/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl: tikiwiki: Admin Users batch upload: remove overwrite option "Overwrite but keep the previous login if the login exists in another case" tikiwiki: introduced r6066, apparently never implemented	[21:42]
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Trebly	Help : Who knows where the encoding of data read from database is made and defined ? Version 5.3, With a database utf8 right encoded data : With the same data a server sends full utf8 pages while another installation the display of the page is seen globally by the navigator as utf8, but contains menus and various text (system text) in utf8, while titles of pages, articles and their content are received converted "where ?" into latin1 then unusable (then accentuated chars of French appears as "?", and as it is into the content... ...the searches by key naturally fail).	[23:53]

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