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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30077 10/branches/6.x/ (styles/strasa.css templates/tiki-show_page.tpl): [FIX] Add a CSS class to div.wikitext when "Display page name as page title" is turned off, to be able to style headings consistently. (Headings in wikitext change by one size when that option is turned on|off.) [06:33]
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Tikiwiki|botNew Forum Posts: Slim down the installation? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39047 [09:11]
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Tikiwiki|botNew Forum Posts: No puedo "logearme" ¿alguna ayuda? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=15&comments_parentId=39048 [10:23]
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Tikiwiki|botRecent Bug: Tracker item: #3590 - - TW5.1: database translation does not work for tiki-register.tpl - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3590 [12:05]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30078 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-admin_include_features.tpl: [ENH] Beefing up programmers's admin panel with more relevant preferences. TODO: make a dedicated panel for programmers.
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30079 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: documenting what people should do, not just what they shouldn't do 		[14:17]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r30080 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: lesser magic descriptions [14:28]
fabriciushi
sylvieg: is it possible to show article types / article topics instead of the article main page 		[14:30]
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fabriciussylvieg: like: tiki-read_article.php?type=xyc [14:49]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30081 10/branches/6.x/styles/layout/layout.css: [CSS] Make disabled elements, especially select menus, look different as most themes override the browser default.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30082 10/branches/6.x/templates/mail/user_validation_mail.tpl: validation mail - trim some whitespace 		[15:34]
fabriciussylvieg: solved: tiki-view_articles.php?topic=n [15:49]
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CIA-60tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30083 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: Minor change to pref warning for feature_wiki_save_draft [16:22]
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changijonnyb: hi, beta2 ? [17:01]
jonnybhi changi
just looking at the blockers... 		[17:01]
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jonnybyou still around changi ? [17:38]
CIA-60tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30084 10/branches/6.x/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX] plugin alias: Fix missing data in plugin alias body parsing (should fix wishes on dev.t.o) [17:38]
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jjkobHello, is anyone awake in here? [17:58]
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ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte 		[18:01]
marclaportepolom [18:02]
jjkobhello? [18:02]
marclaportehello [18:05]
jjkobDo you have a lot of experience with Tiki Wiki development? [18:06]
changijonnyb: not so far :) [18:06]
jonnybdoes dev.t.o svn up every hour? [18:06]
marclaportejjkob: since 2002
well, watching in 2002, and I think my first commit was in 2003 		[18:08]
jjkobGreat; do you mind answering some questions from a noob?
I am seeking to create a public wiki, and had been planning on using Mediawiki, however due to some technical issues I am now considering Tiki Wiki.
My main concern with Tiki Wiki is that I cannot find any large-scale websites employing this platform, while Mediawiki has proven fast and stable on such projects. 		[18:09]
marclaportehow big will your project be? [18:13]
jjkobDo you know of any websites employing Tiki Wiki for thousands of pages of wiki content? [18:13]
marclaporteyes, tiki.org
doc.tiki.org as well 		[18:13]
jjkobIt will never be as big as Wikipedia
but it will hopefully have thousands to tens of thousands of pages of wiki content eventually 		[18:13]
marclaportenothing will be as big as Wikipedia (in 5 years, I may get teased for having said that) [18:14]
jjkob(e.g., maybe comparable to wikitravel.org)
I've found it difficult to find a detailed comparison between the two platforms for this application.
(i.e., a lot of people focus on smaller-scale projects, like internal wikis) 		[18:14]
marclaporteI once had 350 000 or 400 000 wiki pages (only page name, no content) [18:15]
jjkobThe Tiki Wiki site states that Mediawiki is designed for optimal performance...
but it does not really elaborate on how Tiki Wiki compares in that area 		[18:16]
marclaporteMediaWiki is designed for Wikipedia
Tiki is designed as a general purpose application for very diverse needs 		[18:16]
jjkobWhat would be the issues in recreating Wikipedia with Tiki Wiki? [18:17]
marclaporteHow many visitors per week? [18:17]
jjkobHopefully many
My site will be comparable to WebMD, but in a different field 		[18:17]
marclaporteI am not worried about tens of thousands of pages [18:18]
jjkobThe editing will be restricted to a certain class of contributors, so the traffic will be siginificantly less than Wikipedia. [18:18]
marclaporteWe have like 19 000 users on tiki.org It's more a MySQL thing at that level.
so traffic is the big question 		[18:18]
jjkobSo could Tiki Wiki handle Wikipedia in its current incarnation? [18:19]
marclaporteabsolutely not [18:19]
jjkobWhat is the bottleneck? [18:19]
marclaportewell, perhaps a small language
Wikipedia is in the top-10 sites in the World
It takes like 200+ servers (or something crazy like that) to run
A lot of the work they do is to tailor to that specific use case 		[18:19]
jjkobI see.
Well WebMD has about 20 million visitors per month 		[18:21]
marclaporteok [18:21]
jjkobCould a Tiki Wiki based platform handle that scale? [18:21]
marclaporteyes, but not on one server [18:22]
jjkob(99.9% would be read-only visitors)
How many servers is tikiwiki.org running on? 		[18:22]
marclaportevarious *.tiki.org sites are on 3-4 servers [18:23]
jjkobIs scaling up with respect to number of servers a problem/ [18:23]
marclaporteThat is the right question
how many servers does WebMD need?
And then, ask how many servers Tiki would need for a similar load
http://support.mozilla.com/ is powered by Tiki 		[18:23]
jjkobRight, I've visited the mozilla site.
but I find that the content is very basic
Is that not a factor when looking at traffic? 		[18:24]
marclaporteif most of the visitors are just reading, data can be cached
and then, it can scale well with more servers
You will need: http://doc.tiki.org/MySQL+replication
and http://doc.tiki.org/Memcached 		[18:25]
jjkobI see. I look forward to the day when this is a problem for my site, but I don't want to make a decision now that will be ultimately limiting [18:26]
marclaporteand: http://doc.tiki.org/Content+delivery+network [18:27]
jjkobI've just seen that Mediawiki is being used for most large-scale wiki sites (e.g., wikitravel, answers.com, wikia) [18:27]
marclaportejjkob: brb [18:27]
jjkobokay [18:27]
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jjkobNo worries, I need to sack out
Hopefully I can catch you another time.
Thanks for the info! 		[18:43]
marclaportejjkob : see pm [18:43]
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Tikiwiki|botNew Forum Posts: Trouble connecting DB after upgrade - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39050 [18:57]
CIA-60tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30085 10/branches/6.x/tiki-admin_include_textarea.php: [FIX] plugin alias admin: cookietab [19:01]
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30086 10/branches/6.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] preview: Only diff current section when section editing. Also fix html encoding on left side of diff. [19:06]
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changijonnyb: yes [20:16]
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_GergelyHi everyone, My look&feel button gives an empty subpage for tiki-admin_include_look.php. I found a non-ascii character at line 105. However, removing that did not help. Brackets look ok. Any idea what it could be? [22:10]
luciashre-polom
hi _Gergely, what version ? 		[22:10]
_Gergelyhi luciash! mine is tw5.1, but the recent changes are not relevant. [22:12]
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ricks99hi all :-) [22:13]
_Gergelyhi ricks! [22:13]
luciash_Gergely: afaik 5.1 was fine there... i smell something wrong.
_Gergely: can u check if the file was modified recently at your server ? 		[22:13]
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luciashheya ricks99 ! [22:14]
ricks99using tiki6, i cannot upload images to wiki pages if i am *not* using file gallery :( [22:14]
_Gergelymy file == 5.x [22:14]
ricks99hiya luciash & gregely [22:14]
luciashricks99: can't you choose "use image gallery" instead ? [22:16]
ricks99well yeah, but that doesn't really address the problem
in 5x we're using img/wiki_up/
just upgraded to tiki6, now cannot add images :( 		[22:16]
luciashricks99: i think there was option to "use file galleries for images" in wiki pages or something like that there too
so if you uncheck that, it should use the old way 		[22:17]
ricks99it is unchecked.
i select the image. click preview or save. but the image is never inserted into the wiki page 		[22:17]
luciashdoh ! then it must be a bug, you win ! :) [22:18]
ricks99lol
ricks99 doesnt want to *win*, just wants it to work :( 		[22:18]
luciashif it works when u use file gals (file gals enabled) then it must be just matter of wrong conditional if somewhere
or what did u mean by "i am *not* using file gallery" ? 		[22:19]
ricks99nott storing images in file galleries
the option is *unselected*
am storing wiki images instead in img/wiki_up 		[22:20]
luciashso u still use file galleries, just not for wiki pages images, right ? [22:22]
ricks99correct
on admin: wiki, features tab, the "use file galleries to store pictures" is *not* selected 		[22:22]
luciashimg/wiki_up/ is still writable presumably [22:22]
ricks99y [22:22]
luciashcan u check if the image is there, just no wiki syntax appearing or both fails ? [22:23]
ricks99I get the Upload Picture field on the wiki editor, but Tiki doesnt seem to actually upload the selected file, nor does tiki add the {img} tag [22:23]
luciashok [22:23]
ricks99ah.. .looks like the images *was* uploaded, but just no {img} tag added
good catch
ricks99 wonders why he didnt think to look first :( 		[22:24]
luciashthat sounds like a little regression bug after refactoring the wiki edit UI
jonnyb: around ? 		[22:25]
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luciash_Gergely: u should upgrade to 5.3 for security reasons [22:42]
_GergelyI know. I will do that later.
I found out that the issue is with my first tab in tiki-admin-include-look.tpl
the theme tab 		[22:43]
luciashi don't know if the file was modified [22:45]
_Gergelythe first two div
I will check soon 		[22:46]
it is in the 2nd div. which has not changed up to 6.x
I have strasa and never touched it
{if $prefs.site_style != $a_style} {remarksbox type="note" title="{tr}Note{/tr}}{tr}Theme not saved yet - click "Apply"{/tr}{/remarksbox} {/if}
this line is the culprit 		[22:51]
ricks99Note{/tr}}
thats the issue
should have only a single } 		[22:58]
_Gergelythe other one is that of the remarkbox [22:59]
ricks9901{tr}Note{/tr}} is invalid and will cause an empty screen [23:00]
_Gergelythere is a " missing there [23:00]
ricks99ah, yes, that too
odd that no one else has encountered this. what is your tiki version? 		[23:01]
_Gergely5.1, but everyone should have this
just tested: only the " was missing
it is present in the latest 6.x 		[23:01]
luciash_Gergely: yep, but what was with the utf-8 character you said before ? [23:04]
_Gergelythat did not make any difference [23:04]
luciashthat non-ascii character [23:04]
_Gergelyyep, it is disregarded it seems, so it did not cause any issue [23:05]
luciashok, i wonder it works for me too
do u use some specialty like JS disabled ? 		[23:05]
_Gergelyit is also present in 6.x
no
shall I submit these two fixes to 6.x? 		[23:05]
luciashah, maybe we who use PHP errors reporting enabled do not get the blank screen :-p
two fixes ?
yes, to branches/6.x please 		[23:06]
_Gergelyyeah. 1. strange char 2. missing " [23:07]
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luciashhmm, where is the strange character ? [23:08]
_Gergelyline 105
tiki-admin_include_look.php 		[23:09]
luciashin 6 i don't see it (just empty line) in my vim so presumably safe to remove
_Gergely: thanks 		[23:10]
_Gergelyit is after a if ( !f ) perhaps the line# is different
anyway
and what about http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3576&trackerId=5&show=view&reloff=4&cant=16&filterfield=54&exactvalue=Gergely&trackerId=5
am I allowed to submit such things? 		[23:11]
luciashi don't know, it is very sensitive area of code and i don't fully understand it [23:20]
_Gergelyit is about passing the $parse
we talked about this one a few days back
about the <p> </p> added
the wiki-parser adds the <p> </p>, but one can turn it off. it is also faster, so I would set it to "n" by default
I got to have some sleep now. bye everyone 		[23:27]
luciashbye _Gergely [23:33]
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Tikiwiki|botNew Forum Posts: Having difficulty understanding how to read time stamps created by tikiwiki - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39056 [23:45]
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