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sylvieg: is it possible to show article types / article topics instead of the article main page ***: FrankP has joined #tikiwiki fabricius: sylvieg: like: tiki-read_article.php?type=xyc ***: jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki
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just looking at the blockers... ***: chealer has joined #tikiwiki
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ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte marclaporte: polom jjkob: hello? marclaporte: hello jjkob: Do you have a lot of experience with Tiki Wiki development? changi: jonnyb: not so far :) jonnyb: does dev.t.o svn up every hour? marclaporte: jjkob: since 2002
well, watching in 2002, and I think my first commit was in 2003 jjkob: Great; do you mind answering some questions from a noob?
I am seeking to create a public wiki, and had been planning on using Mediawiki, however due to some technical issues I am now considering Tiki Wiki.
My main concern with Tiki Wiki is that I cannot find any large-scale websites employing this platform, while Mediawiki has proven fast and stable on such projects. marclaporte: how big will your project be? jjkob: Do you know of any websites employing Tiki Wiki for thousands of pages of wiki content? marclaporte: yes, tiki.org
doc.tiki.org as well jjkob: It will never be as big as Wikipedia
but it will hopefully have thousands to tens of thousands of pages of wiki content eventually marclaporte: nothing will be as big as Wikipedia (in 5 years, I may get teased for having said that) jjkob: (e.g., maybe comparable to wikitravel.org)
I've found it difficult to find a detailed comparison between the two platforms for this application.
(i.e., a lot of people focus on smaller-scale projects, like internal wikis) marclaporte: I once had 350 000 or 400 000 wiki pages (only page name, no content) jjkob: The Tiki Wiki site states that Mediawiki is designed for optimal performance...
but it does not really elaborate on how Tiki Wiki compares in that area marclaporte: MediaWiki is designed for Wikipedia
Tiki is designed as a general purpose application for very diverse needs jjkob: What would be the issues in recreating Wikipedia with Tiki Wiki? marclaporte: How many visitors per week? jjkob: Hopefully many
My site will be comparable to WebMD, but in a different field marclaporte: I am not worried about tens of thousands of pages jjkob: The editing will be restricted to a certain class of contributors, so the traffic will be siginificantly less than Wikipedia. marclaporte: We have like 19 000 users on tiki.org It's more a MySQL thing at that level.
so traffic is the big question jjkob: So could Tiki Wiki handle Wikipedia in its current incarnation? marclaporte: absolutely not jjkob: What is the bottleneck? marclaporte: well, perhaps a small language
Wikipedia is in the top-10 sites in the World
It takes like 200+ servers (or something crazy like that) to run
A lot of the work they do is to tailor to that specific use case jjkob: I see.
Well WebMD has about 20 million visitors per month marclaporte: ok jjkob: Could a Tiki Wiki based platform handle that scale? marclaporte: yes, but not on one server jjkob: (99.9% would be read-only visitors)
How many servers is tikiwiki.org running on? marclaporte: various *.tiki.org sites are on 3-4 servers jjkob: Is scaling up with respect to number of servers a problem/ marclaporte: That is the right question
how many servers does WebMD need?
And then, ask how many servers Tiki would need for a similar load
http://support.mozilla.com/ is powered by Tiki jjkob: Right, I've visited the mozilla site.
but I find that the content is very basic
Is that not a factor when looking at traffic? marclaporte: if most of the visitors are just reading, data can be cached
and then, it can scale well with more servers
You will need: http://doc.tiki.org/MySQL+replication
and http://doc.tiki.org/Memcached jjkob: I see. I look forward to the day when this is a problem for my site, but I don't want to make a decision now that will be ultimately limiting marclaporte: and: http://doc.tiki.org/Content+delivery+network jjkob: I've just seen that Mediawiki is being used for most large-scale wiki sites (e.g., wikitravel, answers.com, wikia) marclaporte: jjkob: brb jjkob: okay marclaporte: (on phone) jjkob: No worries, I need to sack out
Hopefully I can catch you another time.
Thanks for the info! marclaporte: jjkob : see pm ***: jjkob has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Trouble connecting DB after upgrade - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39050 CIA-60: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30085 10/branches/6.x/tiki-admin_include_textarea.php: [FIX] plugin alias admin: cookietab
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_Gergely has joined #tikiwiki _Gergely: Hi everyone, My look&feel button gives an empty subpage for tiki-admin_include_look.php. I found a non-ascii character at line 105. However, removing that did not help. Brackets look ok. Any idea what it could be? luciash: re-polom
hi _Gergely, what version ? _Gergely: hi luciash! mine is tw5.1, but the recent changes are not relevant. ***: ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki ricks99: hi all :-) _Gergely: hi ricks! luciash: _Gergely: afaik 5.1 was fine there... i smell something wrong.
_Gergely: can u check if the file was modified recently at your server ? ***: ttrimm has joined #tikiwiki luciash: heya ricks99 ! ricks99: using tiki6, i cannot upload images to wiki pages if i am *not* using file gallery :( _Gergely: my file == 5.x ricks99: hiya luciash & gregely luciash: ricks99: can't you choose "use image gallery" instead ? ricks99: well yeah, but that doesn't really address the problem
in 5x we're using img/wiki_up/
just upgraded to tiki6, now cannot add images :( luciash: ricks99: i think there was option to "use file galleries for images" in wiki pages or something like that there too
so if you uncheck that, it should use the old way ricks99: it is unchecked.
i select the image. click preview or save. but the image is never inserted into the wiki page luciash: doh ! then it must be a bug, you win ! :) ricks99: lol -: ricks99 doesnt want to *win*, just wants it to work :( luciash: if it works when u use file gals (file gals enabled) then it must be just matter of wrong conditional if somewhere
or what did u mean by "i am *not* using file gallery" ? ricks99: nott storing images in file galleries
the option is *unselected*
am storing wiki images instead in img/wiki_up luciash: so u still use file galleries, just not for wiki pages images, right ? ricks99: correct
on admin: wiki, features tab, the "use file galleries to store pictures" is *not* selected luciash: img/wiki_up/ is still writable presumably ricks99: y luciash: can u check if the image is there, just no wiki syntax appearing or both fails ? ricks99: I get the Upload Picture field on the wiki editor, but Tiki doesnt seem to actually upload the selected file, nor does tiki add the {img} tag luciash: ok ricks99: ah.. .looks like the images *was* uploaded, but just no {img} tag added
good catch -: ricks99 wonders why he didnt think to look first :( luciash: that sounds like a little regression bug after refactoring the wiki edit UI
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fabricius_ is now known as fabricius luciash: _Gergely: u should upgrade to 5.3 for security reasons _Gergely: I know. I will do that later.
I found out that the issue is with my first tab in tiki-admin-include-look.tpl
the theme tab luciash: i don't know if the file was modified _Gergely: the first two div
I will check soon
it is in the 2nd div. which has not changed up to 6.x
I have strasa and never touched it
{if $prefs.site_style != $a_style} {remarksbox type="note" title="{tr}Note{/tr}}{tr}Theme not saved yet - click "Apply"{/tr}{/remarksbox} {/if}
this line is the culprit ricks99: Note{/tr}}
thats the issue
should have only a single } _Gergely: the other one is that of the remarkbox ricks99: 01{tr}Note{/tr}} is invalid and will cause an empty screen _Gergely: there is a " missing there ricks99: ah, yes, that too
odd that no one else has encountered this. what is your tiki version? _Gergely: 5.1, but everyone should have this
just tested: only the " was missing
it is present in the latest 6.x luciash: _Gergely: yep, but what was with the utf-8 character you said before ? _Gergely: that did not make any difference luciash: that non-ascii character _Gergely: yep, it is disregarded it seems, so it did not cause any issue luciash: ok, i wonder it works for me too
do u use some specialty like JS disabled ? _Gergely: it is also present in 6.x
no
shall I submit these two fixes to 6.x? luciash: ah, maybe we who use PHP errors reporting enabled do not get the blank screen :-p
two fixes ?
yes, to branches/6.x please _Gergely: yeah. 1. strange char 2. missing " ***: fabricius has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) luciash: hmm, where is the strange character ? _Gergely: line 105
tiki-admin_include_look.php luciash: in 6 i don't see it (just empty line) in my vim so presumably safe to remove
_Gergely: thanks _Gergely: it is after a if ( !f ) perhaps the line# is different
anyway
and what about http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3576&trackerId=5&show=view&reloff=4&cant=16&filterfield=54&exactvalue=Gergely&trackerId=5
am I allowed to submit such things? luciash: i don't know, it is very sensitive area of code and i don't fully understand it _Gergely: it is about passing the $parse
we talked about this one a few days back
about the <p> </p> added
the wiki-parser adds the <p> </p>, but one can turn it off. it is also faster, so I would set it to "n" by default
I got to have some sleep now. bye everyone luciash: bye _Gergely ***: _Gergely has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) Tikiwiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Having difficulty understanding how to read time stamps created by tikiwiki - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39056 ***: redflo has left