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chealer | I wish I had it now, now that I master aptana's debugger
$this->ldaplink is an error, as if bind()'s return value would convert to true maybe $this->ldaplink->getCode() doesn't return the right thing nkoth: where's your Jedi side? | [00:02] |
marclaporte | marclaporte feels the force | [00:06] |
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nkoth | the light saber is an outdated weapon nowadays, it is like a fly swatter compared to the plasma rifles nowadays. | [00:14] |
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marclaporte | :-) | [00:24] |
Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: new user -- local install can't find database - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39426 | [00:34] |
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luciash | re
congrats changi|away and thank you everyone for the final release :) just tweeted ;) | [02:29] |
ricks99 | dman. beat me to it :-) | [02:30] |
luciash | heheh, hi ricks99 | [02:30] |
ricks99 | will the t.o sites get upgraded?
need to remove that dogfoood notice news annoucments going out... stand by | [02:31] |
luciash | i can svn up doc and maybe some others, but not tiki.org | [02:42] |
Tikiwiki|bot | Info: Announcing the Release of Tiki 6 - http://info.tiki.org/article122-Announcing-the-Release-of-Tiki-6 | [02:42] |
luciash | "Tik 6" got it into the newsletter :-p
in bold | [02:43] |
lphuberdeau | tik.org might prove even harder to get | [02:43] |
luciash | :D | [02:43] |
CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30611 10/trunk/doc/stable.version: [MOD] added latest stable version
tikiwiki: 03luciash * r30612 10/trunk/doc/unstable.version: [MOD] added latest unstable version | [02:49] |
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ricks99 | frack | [02:51] |
luciash | ricks99: sorry i didn't have time to check the upcoming news page earlier | [02:52] |
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ricks99 | well... you get what you pay for, i guess... | [02:53] |
luciash | luciash svn upping doc | [02:54] |
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luciash | ricks99: huh ? | [02:54] |
ricks99 | you get what you pay for? we're all volunteers... hence mistakes get made :( | [02:56] |
luciash | mistakes get made even by paid people... i'd say we're all humans
doc is on 6.0 svn updating dev | [02:58] |
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luciash | done | [03:01] |
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luciash | updating info | [03:16] |
ricks99 | @luciash: I see the "Tik 6" in bold. what was the other item u saw?
(also frogot to update the # of commits :( | [03:18] |
luciash | other item ? i just saw this
this one | [03:19] |
ricks99 | 07[21:42] <@luciash> 01"Tik 6" got it into the newsletter :-p07[21:43] <@luciash> 01in bold07[21:43] <lphuberdeau> 01tik.org might prove even harder to get
"tik.org" ? dont see that anywehre | [03:19] |
luciash | ricks99: that was just a joke ;) | [03:20] |
ricks99 | ah... | [03:20] |
luciash | from lph (i presume) | [03:20] |
ricks99 | ricks99 needs a beer | [03:20] |
luciash | :) | [03:20] |
ricks99 | ah.. didnt even see it was from lph | [03:20] |
luciash | lol | [03:20] |
ricks99 | ricks99 maybe already too many beers | [03:20] |
luciash | luciash makes a coffee for ricks99 | [03:21] |
ricks99 | *sip*
its a good thing im not bi-literate... i'd be making typos in multiple languages | [03:21] |
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luciash changes topic to: Polom! Latest stable versions: Tiki 5.3, 3.8 (LTS) Wanna ask something? Just ask. We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log), type !help or >help! to get some help from our bots ;) Enjoy! luciash changes topic to: Polom! Latest stable releases: Tiki 6.0 & 3.8 (LTS) Wanna ask something? Just ask. We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log), type !help or >help! to get some help from our bots ;) Enjoy! | [03:56] |
ksign | y a des saifran ? | [04:01] |
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luciash | ksign: i don't understand | [04:03] |
ksign | nevermind
I was asking if there was some french people | [04:03] |
luciash | ah :)
there are some canadians | [04:03] |
ksign | nice | [04:03] |
luciash | speaking french | [04:04] |
ksign | I stay in montreal | [04:04] |
luciash | but maybe afk | [04:04] |
ksign | I think I heard about tikiwiki on
the french tv | [04:04] |
luciash | marclaporte: ping | [04:05] |
ksign | free.fr | [04:05] |
marclaporte | pong | [04:05] |
luciash | :) | [04:05] |
ksign | salut mon marco
comment qui va ? | [04:05] |
marclaporte | correct, toi? | [04:05] |
chealer | Yay! | [04:05] |
ksign | putain un quebecois | [04:05] |
chealer | ksign: free.fr is a French TV? | [04:06] |
ksign | nop
french ISP | [04:06] |
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ksign | providing www, voip and tv
throught adsl | [04:07] |
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chealer | ksign: so what did you hear about Tiki on the TV? | [04:08] |
ksign | they have their own tv channel
freenews | [04:08] |
chealer | ksign: ah. strange | [04:08] |
ksign | yo marco
yo marclaporte | [04:09] |
marclaporte | yo
m'en va me coucher | [04:10] |
ksign | tu connais freenews ? | [04:11] |
marclaporte | non | [04:11] |
ksign | ok
bon ben bonne nuit man | [04:11] |
marclaporte | demain?
tu es de Mtl? | [04:11] |
ksign | ouaip
mais je viens pas souvent mais je suis francais aussi d'origine | [04:11] |
marclaporte | okidoo
'night all | [04:12] |
ksign | ben peut etre @+ | [04:12] |
luciash | nite marc | [04:12] |
ksign | ksign écoute The Roots - Datskat | [04:12] |
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Tikiwiki|bot | New Forum Posts: Jede Gruppe soll eine eigene Startseite haben - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=10&comments_parentId=39431 | [06:29] |
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xavi | polom | [08:46] |
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mmm, using 6.0, when cliking on a forum post, I get: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_SL in /rootpath/htdocs/tiki/comments.php on line 439
and that line is just saying: $comments_coms = $commentslib->get_comments($comments_objectId, ah, ok, nver mind. Forget that previous comment of mine. It seems that svn up didn't update properly that file, which had been modified by some other admin in that site (a gforged site) so, comments are working fine for me nice Tiki 6.0! :-) | [09:26] | |
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ChanServ sets mode: +o chibaguy | [09:46] |
chibaguy | polom | [09:46] |
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doychin | Hi, everwhere is anounced that tiki-wiki is translated in Bulgarian, but i can not find it in the language options
can anybody tell me how to add bulgarian language? or where can i download translated language file in bulgarian | [09:48] |
is there anybody online? | [09:56] | |
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idle- | Hi :) I just upgraded an 3.8 lts to 6 - now look and feel seems to be disabled? | [09:57] |
chibaguy | doychin: If you don't see Bulgarian in the language options, then there isn't a language file for it, apparently.
Long ago, it may have existed but maybe was far from complete so was removed. There is documentation here about adding a language: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Interface+translation+2 Also see http://i18n.tiki.org/ , which is for translating the interface "live", or something like that. idle-: I haven't seen any other reports of that problem. Are you sure the upgrade was complete? Also, make sure Tiki's caches are cleared. | [10:04] |
idle- | where is some mistake: -- perms types that don't appear to relate to features - 'mail notifications', 'menus', 'quicktags', 'tiki'
hm tiki caches is a good idea. | [10:08] |
doesn't work | [10:16] | |
chibaguy | idle-: how does the rest of the site work? Other problems, or things ok? | [10:16] |
xavi | hi chibaguy
idle, ensure thatyou are using some supported theme style did you read carefully the details from the documentation?: http://doc.tiki.org/Upgrade supported in Tiki6, I mean, and no leftovers from old css or tpl in your upgraded site | [10:21] |
idle- | yes it's coelesce and I tried other themes, too. There is the "loading..." picture and after that it seems to jump back the admin overview | [10:24] |
chibaguy | hi xavi
maybe a javascript problem. what happens if you use the url: "tiki-admin.php?page=look" ? | [10:26] |
idle- | ok that works, but IE shows error on page | [10:29] |
chibaguy | ok, so the feature works, but the javascript access to it doesn't, it seems.
is javascript minified? this is on tiki-admin.php?page=performance . If it is minified, you could try turning that off. | [10:30] |
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xavi | hi rodrigo_sampaio
are you in Canada? i.e. isn't it too early there still? :-) | [10:48] |
rodrigo_sampaio | hi xavi
I'm back to Brazil | [10:49] |
xavi | ah! :-) | [10:49] |
rodrigo_sampaio | I came back in the beginning of September | [10:49] |
xavi | ah, ok, I didn't know that | [10:49] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: I moved to Rio de Janeiro where I'm living now
xavi: working as a freelancer with Tiki | [10:50] |
xavi | ok. still using bike for transportation? | [10:50] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: sure! | [10:50] |
xavi | :-) | [10:50] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: don't remember if I told but I went to Montreal to work in a bike company | [10:51] |
xavi | yes, someone told me :-)
while in tiki fest bcn 2 | [10:51] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: they move people stuff (like fridges, stoves, etc) by bicycle, was amazing! | [10:51] |
xavi | yes, yes, that's what I was told :-)
I can't imagine moving a piano on the bicycle! | [10:51] |
rodrigo_sampaio | it is possible and fun ;) | [10:52] |
xavi | :-)
rodrigo_sampaio: I need some advice on how to avoid validation in a new plugin that I'm doing, but while keeping it safe plugin button: http://pastebin.com/Z5TUu2Nr | [10:52] |
chibaguy | chibaguy imagines the fleet of bicycles needed to move all his accumulated kruft. | [10:55] |
xavi | which is a simple modified version from http://doc.tiki.org/PluginSmarty
xavi wonders if that type of company would suceed in Japan... (besides Gary's objects :-) ) | [10:55] |
rodrigo_sampaio | :D | [10:56] |
xavi | s/besides/beyond | [10:57] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: smarty_function_button exist already, right? | [10:57] |
chibaguy | maybe so, xavi. there are bicycle deliveries of many kinds, etc. | [10:57] |
xavi | ...plugin button: with the goal to allow having url's (href) like url="foo&itemId={{ItemId}}", without needing to validate again the button when a new itemId is shown
rodrigo_sampaio: yes, it does exist indeed, but requires validation all the time | [10:57] |
rodrigo_sampaio | when I was in Montreal a Japanese television went there just to do an interview with our boss about the bicycle company | [10:58] |
xavi | so when using {{itemId}}, the same button needs to be validated by an admin again
and again with every new itemID itemId | [10:58] |
chibaguy | rodrigo_sampaio: yes, I think they would be very interested. | [10:59] |
idle- | so now I got some error messages like: .."Type: Undefined index: user_prefs", "Undefined index: filegals_manager",... | [10:59] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: sorry, I don't know about plugin validation and I don't have time now to check | [10:59] |
xavi | that's why I thought of a slightly modified version of smarty plugin, which calls to button function in smarty, but doesn't require validation each time the itemId changes | [10:59] |
idle- | I tried without minified and with minified jscript. Both the same | [10:59] |
xavi | ok, no problems, rodrigo_sampaio , it was just in case you knew about that. | [10:59] |
rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: no, sorry | [11:00] |
xavi | ok, np :-) | [11:00] |
rodrigo_sampaio | :) | [11:00] |
xavi | s y l v i e g will know, or jonnyb or l p h...
later (time zones, etc.) | [11:01] |
chibaguy | idle-: what about turning off ajax, if it is on? | [11:01] |
idle- | ajax is on | [11:03] |
chibaguy | tiki-admin.php?page=features, under "Interface" tab
try turning it off, then. | [11:03] |
idle- | ok so now the link is working. but look and feel still shows "script errors" in the browser | [11:05] |
chibaguy | in ie? | [11:05] |
idle- | yes in IE8 | [11:06] |
chibaguy | we need a javascript expert to fix those, I guess.
chibaguy is not one. | [11:07] |
idle- | me neither :) | [11:08] |
chibaguy | if you file a bug report at dev.tiki.org, that would be good, and include the error messages. | [11:09] |
idle-: did you try your site with other browsers? | [11:19] | |
idle- | yes. Chrome, Seamonkey.
the same effect. I just reported the bug. | [11:30] |
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chibaguy | ah, ok.
thanks for the bug report. | [11:31] |
idle- | np ;) | [11:34] |
Tikiwiki|bot | Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3632 - - Java Script Errors after upgrade to 6 - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3632 | [11:35] |
luciash_ | polom polom | [11:36] |
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chibaguy | idle-: I'm trying IE8 (using IETester) at the themes.tiki.org site, and the page loading works ok (with ajax), although I get javascript syntax error messages on each page load.
themes.t.o is running Tiki 6, but has been updated steadily from svn. hi luciash | [11:38] |
luciash | hi chibaguy | [11:39] |
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chibaguy | hmm, 'onBeforeShow' is null or not an object" : js error in IE8 on CSS menu mouseover.
"Exception thrown and not caught" (jquery.min.js) on another CSS menu mouseover. chibaguy will turn ajax back off at themes.t.o | [11:40] |
luciash | r u sure it's ajax ?
isn't it caused by js minify ? | [11:42] |
idle- | I tried turning it on and off..the look+feel page has the same browser error | [11:44] |
chibaguy | menu at community site is almost unusable in ie8 (dropdowns don't stay down). (this is the IETester IE8 - I assume it's showing true IE8 behavior.)
same behavior in tiki 5.3, it looks like: css menu javascript isn't getting used by IE8. | [11:47] |
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chibaguy | ...with js minify on or off. | [11:51] |
luciash | chibaguy: i suspect it's the same problem like with Opera
chibaguy: try switch css minify on and see | [11:52] |
chibaguy | css minify is on already. | [11:53] |
luciash | oh | [11:53] |
chibaguy | ie6 works fine. :) | [11:53] |
luciash | then try to switch it off maybe ? ;) | [11:53] |
chibaguy | no difference. | [11:54] |
luciash | "did you try to switch it off and on again ?"
just joking | [11:54] |
chibaguy | it's the javascript effects that are clearly missing - the delay in the menu dropdown, down-arrows, etc.
heh, do you think there are rusty switches in the code? ;-) | [11:55] |
luciash | luciash wonders who added the ugly [Newsletter] "button" next to the Log In / Log Out on tiki.org
chibaguy: have u noticed css minify breaks some bits ? e.g. the tabs (when there is lot of them like on L&F) are not wrapping properly anymore when it is switched on | [11:58] |
chibaguy | I saw a message about that but haven't noticed it, myself.
Yes, shouldn't that Newsletter link but put into the menu somewhere? Or the footer? | [12:00] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: I was wondering the same thing a while aog
ag ago | [12:03] |
chibaguy | Maybe under "Support"? Or in a module with a nice newspaper image or something :-) | [12:03] |
idle- | but it doesn't seem to be a general problem. The problem exists only on the look+feel page... | [12:05] |
luciash | +1 to put it under the support menu
idle-: upgraded site ? | [12:05] |
idle- | luciash: yes. | [12:07] |
luciash | idle-: by overwriting or by placing to new dir ? | [12:07] |
idle- | luciash: with overwriting the existing dir | [12:08] |
luciash | idle-: might be the problem, never do that for major versions upgrade... you never know which files became obsolete then | [12:09] |
xavi | polom-back | [12:09] |
luciash | idle-: and these files can be left there affecting the display and behavior of the upgraded site | [12:10] |
xavi | I need help with understanding how to tell tiki in a new plugin that the {{itemId}} needs to be parsed | [12:10] |
luciash | idle-: customized theme ?
xavi: ? | [12:10] |
idle- | luciash: yes. but it was overwritten :) | [12:11] |
xavi | I found the parse_wiki_argvariable in line 6268 in lib/tikilib.php | [12:11] |
idle- | luciash: and the problem is the same for all themes
so I can try another directory | [12:11] |
xavi | luciash: I creating anew plugin for (smarty) buttons, which allow using {{itemId}} in the url, and that they don't require validation by admins | [12:12] |
luciash | idle-: ok, hard to say, i don't see such errors on mine | [12:12] |
xavi | sylvieg around? | [12:12] |
luciash | xavi: you have it enabled ? | [12:12] |
xavi | yes :-) | [12:12] |
luciash | xavi: the argvars | [12:13] |
xavi | ah, hold on! (I didn't drink coffee this morning!)
and wiki arg vars could be disabled in my localhost where I ended up finally trying it | [12:13] |
luciash | xavi: then u must surround it by {wiki}...{/wiki} maybe ?
xavi: ah | [12:13] |
chibaguy | the login and newsletter buttons are kind of weird at info.t.o also. | [12:14] |
luciash | luciash drinked his coffee after getting some nap neither | [12:14] |
chibaguy | "log in" isn't visible, and "register" shows even after logging in. | [12:14] |
luciash | chibaguy: i smell rick ;) | [12:14] |
chibaguy | :) | [12:14] |
luciash | luciash dreams about wiki history for all Tiki admin actions | [12:15] |
sylvieg | features changes aer in the log | [12:16] |
idle- | so the same effect with new directory and clean tiki-6.0: IE is saying tiki-admin.php error line 287...if i check the source line 287 is this: "<div class="heading input_submit_container" style="text-align: right"> | [12:17] |
luciash | sylvieg: yep, but it is far from real history with diff and rollback | [12:17] |
chibaguy | I turned minify css on at info.t.o so Opera could see/use the site. | [12:17] |
sylvieg | rolback on features basis or on date basis | [12:18] |
luciash | idle-: that line looks fine | [12:18] |
idle- | luciash: yes I tink so, too... | [12:18] |
marclaporte | luciash : Rick & I did (Do you see a way to make it nicer?) | [12:18] |
idle- | luciash: perhaps line of the error code reported is not the line shown in the source of the html... | [12:18] |
luciash | marclaporte: yep, i wonder what is so important on the newsletter to make it so extra visible next to the login ? | [12:19] |
xavi | xavi realizes the importance of drinking coffee, tea or mate in the morning before going to work at uni | [12:19] |
marclaporte | It's really time we Dogfood newsletters
it has to be somewhere | [12:19] |
xavi | luciash: that was it :-) wikiargvars was not enabled in my localhost | [12:19] |
luciash | idle-: it's line of the compiled source code of php | [12:20] |
marclaporte | not easy to retrofit in design | [12:20] |
xavi | marclaporte: I'm starting to use newsletters in a production site with 700+ users | [12:20] |
chibaguy | I think make a module with a graphic and a little pr. I don't think the single word "newsletter" is very enticing. | [12:20] |
marclaporte | xavi : awesome | [12:20] |
luciash | marclaporte: ok, then why not in module on top of one of the columns ? | [12:20] |
xavi | sent on with 5.3, and I upgraded to 6rc1 recently, and by the end of the month, the second monthly newlsetter is due | [12:20] |
chibaguy | anyway, the area around the login is kind of sensitive probably, about intruding buttons, etc. | [12:20] |
marclaporte | I wish Rich was here
oups, Ricks I don't care where it goes, I am pretty sure is OK with a move | [12:21] |
luciash | heh, surprisingly i have read it correctly marc... time to get some coffee here too :) | [12:21] |
marclaporte | it does look a little strange that this and the search box which protrudes as well | [12:22] |
xavi | remember tiki has a plugin SubscribeNewsletter which is working fine (also with antibot captcha, etc.)
it could be sent to a side column easily | [12:22] |
marclaporte | xavi : when we tested, there was a problem with it
But +1 to dogfood :-) | [12:22] |
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chibaguy | usermodule then | [12:22] |
xavi | marclaporte: we fixed the last problems I could see
a few days ago (just in time for 6.0 ;-) | [12:22] |
marclaporte | ricks99 : speaking of the devil | [12:23] |
chibaguy | :) | [12:23] |
ricks99 | ouch
hi all | [12:23] |
luciash | wb ricks99 :) | [12:23] |
xavi | marclaporte: you can see it in action at: http://intercanvis.net/Inici
hi ricks99 | [12:23] |
coaboa | hello tikiverse | [12:24] |
marclaporte | I will let you designers coordinate (I soon have a plane to Berlin!) | [12:24] |
xavi | and it works (you'll have to cope with Catalan site for barter networks ;-) ) | [12:24] |
ricks99 | ricks99 sips coffee and reads the irc log | [12:25] |
xavi | sylvieg, or anyone which is able to revise security, I'll need you to have a look at the new simple plugin Button I've created | [12:25] |
marclaporte | xavi : for SEO, HomePage is a wasted keyword | [12:25] |
luciash | ricks99: if u read the log our main objection is it would be better to have the Newsletters button in module than next to the login | [12:25] |
xavi | marclaporte: the page is called "inici" (translated to homepage by tiki)
adn that page is in fact, only shown to registered users when they log in normal users (homepage) is "Benvinguda". see: http://intercanvis.net | [12:25] |
marclaporte | on *.tiki.org, I am changing them all to something significant | [12:26] |
xavi | sorry that I removed the outdated English homepage
Benvinguda = Welcome | [12:26] |
chibaguy | about "HomePage", could it be an option to not display any page title on the site homepage? | [12:27] |
xavi | since 6.0 is relased, then I understand that I can commit this new plugin to branches/6x | [12:27] |
luciash | xavi: | [12:28] |
xavi | xavi in commit mood | [12:28] |
chibaguy | Many web sites don't have a "title" on the top page (news portals, etc.) | [12:28] |
marclaporte | people will not search for "Home Page" or "Welcome" | [12:28] |
luciash | xavi: Editor de marques lliures module seems to have the same prob as the plugin before | [12:28] |
marclaporte | So http://intercanvis.net/Ofertes+Demandes would be better for SEO (as a home page)
yes, you can commit fix on branches/6.x and they will be merged to trunk until it becomes to much of a hassle to merge, which is pretty much the signal to release 6.1 | [12:28] |
xavi | ok, marclaporte , good point. but as Gary says, I'm using page names as page titles, and I use that page name for the page title to welcome new visitors | [12:30] |
marclaporte | historically, this merge period lasts more or less 1 month | [12:30] |
xavi | and when you search for intercanvis (exchanges), people find intercanvis.net very easily (most users find the site through googling a bit) | [12:30] |
luciash | xavi: u must switch it off and start to use Description in browser title
;) | [12:30] |
marclaporte | chibaguy : +1 to that option. You can manually do with perspectives (but it's a lot of work) | [12:31] |
chibaguy | I was thinking about commiting for trunk | [12:31] |
xavi | luciash: I see... too much work ... we don't have a problem with users finding intercanvis.net by search engines
too much work for the time being, at least (I keep the idea for the future) ok, changing topic, at marclaporte . Do you have any plan to have the "layout by section" rescued in order to have it in a working for perspectives for your sites? it seems to work (layout per section), when the prefs are in the db from very old tiki sites (1.8, ...) but the interface to manage that is broken | [12:31] |
luciash | marclaporte: what i do now for my Tiki customers is naming pages like this: about-company-foo and then using custom page title using !About Us and wiki description field for browser title like About Us which becomes then About Us | Company Foo there | [12:34] |
xavi | so to me, this looks like "low hanging fruit" (<30 min fix. )
luciash: nice | [12:34] |
luciash | marclaporte: no title on homepage can be achieved by CSS
chibaguy: ^ | [12:35] |
xavi | about where to commit, until proposals/6x is created, I understand that a new plugin has to go to brances/6x, which will be merged to trunk by automatic merge process, etc.
xavi cleaning up the plugin button before commiting | [12:36] |
chibaguy | yes, luciash, I know, but wanted an easy method for normal site admins. | [12:38] |
xavi | so about security in a plugin... is
'filter' => 'rawhtml_unsafe', enough for a param like "url" in a plugin? I mean, a plugin which doesn't require validation by admins sylvieg ? ^ or lphuberdeau? ^ or anyone who knows, of course | [12:38] |
sylvieg | sylvieg thinks it will be great to have doc about all the filter | [12:39] |
xavi | xavi agrees | [12:39] |
chibaguy | chibaguy wishes there was a global 'no need to validate plugins' option for at least admins. | [12:42] |
ricks99 | rick has asked for that perm, too | [12:42] |
xavi | xavi agrees with chibaguy | [12:42] |
luciash | luciash too | [12:42] |
ricks99 | tiki_p_auto_approve_plugins | [12:42] |
chibaguy | working out page layouts, etc. has become a nightmare | [12:42] |
coaboa | OFF: for attendees of the wikifest Berlin. If interested you can download a pdf version of Dr. Marighettis presentation/thesis from http://poiesipedia.com/files/LPM-TikiFestBln.pdf so that a hopefully good discussion can arise ;-) | [12:43] |
luciash | so who goes to code it ? | [12:43] |
xavi | xavi doesn't understand why lphuberdeau disagreed about htis request when asked opinion about it | [12:43] |
luciash | :-p | [12:43] |
chibaguy | i volunteer lph ;-) | [12:43] |
ricks99 | ricks99 off to log a wishlist and auto-assign it to luciash | [12:43] |
marclaporte | no title css is smart! and excellent for: http://themes.tiki.org/Template+Tricks | [12:46] |
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luciash | chibaguy: btw, the CSS bits oddity happens only when "Minify CSS into a single file" is checked too | [12:46] |
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chibaguy | hm, ok. | [12:47] |
Wagner | hi ricks99 | [12:47] |
luciash | ricks99: no objections to put the newsletter dogfood button in module on top of left or right col ? | [12:47] |
ricks99 | sure. (really wish that the subscribe plugin worked) | [12:48] |
marclaporte | xavi : the 6.x wiki parser is not smart enough to make it that admins are auto-validated | [12:48] |
luciash | chibaguy: hm :) sounds like boring information for you :) | [12:48] |
Wagner | Have you did authentication with ldap ? | [12:48] |
luciash | marclaporte: ??? | [12:49] |
chibaguy | luciash, sorry, I'm sleepy. ;-) | [12:49] |
xavi | ok, marclaporte , that was the same kind-of-answer (afair) that I got from lphuberdeau | [12:49] |
luciash | chibaguy: ah, sorry, it is not that late there in japan though ? :) | [12:49] |
lphuberdeau | about what?
oh, plugin approval | [12:49] |
marclaporte | So because parser was not advanced enough, it wasn't possible to have auto-approving unsafe plugins (if you are admin) | [12:50] |
luciash | marclaporte: having new perm checked has nothing to do with wiki parser | [12:50] |
chibaguy | luciash, no, not so late. only 9:50 pm. but I was up early and not much sleep last night. :| | [12:50] |
lphuberdeau | hard to disagree, but I can't teleport, and neither can that be fixed in 6 | [12:50] |
CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r30613 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_button.php:
tikiwiki: [NEW]New plugin to allow showing links as buttons *easily* for the end user, tikiwiki: while allowing to have wiki argument variables (e.g. {{itemId}}) without the tikiwiki: need of an admin to re-validate the plugin call (as it had to be done when using tikiwiki: the generic PluginSmarty each time a new itemId is passed in the url to the wiki tikiwiki: page contaning the plugin). | [12:50] |
marclaporte | Other reasons to work on the parser: http://dev.tiki.org/Wiki+Parser | [12:51] |
Wagner | Does anybody have authenticated twiki's logon with LDAP? | [12:51] |
marclaporte | New features in a stable branch: I love Tiki | [12:51] |
xavi | lphuberdeau: can you have a very quick look to this new plugin button I added, and imagine if there is any problem with this plugin not requiring validation? | [12:52] |
marclaporte | Wagner : I haven't but many people do: http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication | [12:52] |
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luciash | chibaguy: i understand, well, i thought it is actually 7:50 at your place, but obviously it's a bit further than to NY on the opposite side :) | [12:52] |
xavi | I mean , lphuberdeau , is 'filter' => 'rawhtml_unsafe' enough to make the url param safe with no validation? | [12:52] |
ricks99 | @chibaguy: btw, tx for @tiki_theme. I'm going to auto-feed the account with RSS from themes.t.o | [12:52] |
lphuberdeau | filter is unrelated | [12:52] |
marclaporte | most out of date support request: http://doc.tiki.org/toolbar+set+%27Tiki%27+doesn%27t+exist | [12:52] |
chibaguy | ricks99: ok. | [12:53] |
lphuberdeau | not much time this morning, got a few things I need to do before a meeting before leaving for the tikifest (sorry) | [12:54] |
marclaporte | clicking on usernames (ex.: http://doc.tiki.org/user11682) takes me to an error page | [12:54] |
Wagner | I did like the documention said but, it gives this message "user or password wrong" but I tested the users before, and works | [12:54] |
xavi | ok, lphuberdeau , no problem, I understand
anyway, Rick, keep an eye in this topic, since I got the information from your guide: http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Adding+Security+and+Help it says: 'filter' => 'rawhtml_unsafe': Tiki will automatically "sanitize" any unsafe items (such as embedded objects or scripts) that a user may attempt to include when using the plugin. | [12:56] |
ricks99 | ricks99 would not belive anything he reads online
*believe | [12:57] |
xavi | :-) | [12:57] |
luciash | :D | [12:57] |
xavi | well, soon read on a book... | [12:57] |
ricks99 | soon | [12:58] |
luciash | ricks99: perhaps print it first ;) | [12:58] |
xavi | xavi considering to request this book as a present for Christmass :-)
request to someone in my family (birthday soon after) | [12:58] |
ricks99 | does the rawhtml_unsafe not filter <objects> ?
ricks99 still waiting for some technical reviews to come back... | [12:58] |
xavi | I have the same question, then | [12:58] |
luciash | you can test ;)
not just guess | [12:59] |
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lphuberdeau | rawhtml_unsafe means it's going to let it through by the way, it's unsafe | [13:14] |
ricks99 | ??? so 07 01'filter' => 'rawhtml_unsafe': means do NOT filer html? | [13:14] |
lphuberdeau | it means "I know what I'm doing and handling it in some other way"
but if you don't handle it, it's essentially a wide open XSS hole | [13:15] |
ricks99 | so filter => is an implied NOT? | [13:16] |
lphuberdeau | well, the default is to a <x> all over
that indicates not to do that | [13:16] |
ricks99 | ricks99 confused | [13:16] |
lphuberdeau | for special cases | [13:16] |
ricks99 | ok. i read "07 01'filter' => 'rawhtml_unsafe': " as: filter out any rawhtml or unsafe coding | [13:17] |
lphuberdeau | filter's implementation is "return $input;" essentially | [13:17] |
ricks99 | but it really means: ALLOW raw HTML and unafe coding? | [13:17] |
lphuberdeau | just about rawhtml actually, the _unsafe part was so people feel bad writing it
and make it easier to grep in audit | [13:18] |
ricks99 | ? so the "unsafe" refers to the user? not what is being filtered?
ricks99 feels stupid. he completely missed that | [13:18] |
lphuberdeau | lphuberdeau is pretty certain that within 20 years, software engineering will be reclassified as a social science | [13:20] |
ricks99 | to confirm... by default, tiki *will* remove/filter/<x> any scripts. but using filter=>rawhtml will override this and actually ALLOW the scripts? | [13:21] |
lphuberdeau | yeah | [13:22] |
xavi | :-( | [13:23] |
ricks99 | k. tx for clarification | [13:23] |
lphuberdeau | the removal process is absurdly slow, and not only kills usability, but servers and babies too | [13:23] |
xavi | thanks for info lphuberdeau | [13:23] |
ricks99 | @xavi: u may want to re-print that Essentials page! | [13:23] |
xavi | :-)
xavi going to check the hello+world page at doc.t.o xavi looking for some written documentation on how to write safe plugins | [13:23] |
ricks99 | i pulled info from dev.t.o and digging through commit history/comments | [13:24] |
chibaguy | chibaguy thinks 'data mining' | [13:25] |
xavi | so , lphuberdeau , what's the best filter, then, for a param in plugin like a "url"? | [13:25] |
ricks99 | too bad we dont have something like a wiki to maintain all this info... oh wait.... | [13:25] |
xavi | which can contain tiki-*.php?foo&item={{itemId}}
? http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+world is supposed to be the wiki page to maitain this info? | [13:25] |
ricks99 | ricks99 thinks there's too much on that page to qualify as a 'hello world' demo | [13:27] |
xavi | xavi agrees while thinking that is better than nothing | [13:27] |
lphuberdeau | xavi: 'url' | [13:28] |
xavi | ok, thanks, lphuberdeau
is that documented somewhere in the tikiverse? dev.t.o returned: Found "allowhtml_unsafe" in 0 pages | [13:28] |
lphuberdeau | hum... lib/core/TikiFilter.php | [13:29] |
xavi | :-)
ok, thanks for the tip, I'll read that file | [13:29] |
lphuberdeau | fairly straight forward, it just maps the tokens to what is most appropriate
many tokens actually do the same thing, but the more precise you are with the purpose, the more you can adapt quickly | [13:29] |
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CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r30614 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_button.php: [FIX]Fixed the filter on the url to be safe without admin validation. Thanks lphuberdeau | [13:32] |
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xavi | sylvieg and lphuberdeau , I started this new section here: http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World#Plugin_filters | [13:48] |
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rodrigo_sampaio | hi chealer | [14:04] |
sylvieg | thx xavi | [14:17] |
xavi | np | [14:17] |
CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r30615 10/mods/trunk/wiki-plugins/r/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_r2.php:
tikiwiki: [NEW]Work in progress. Draft of a new PluginR to allow unsafe commands if tikiwiki: validated by an admin, reusing the code from plugin r for all the other params tikiwiki: and logic. Once properly implemented, wikiplugin_r.php will only allow safe R tikiwiki: calls, and without admin validation. And for potentially unsafe calls, tikiwiki: wikiplugin_r2.php will be used, after admin validation | [14:17] |
xavi | rodrigo_sampaio: basic (draft) plugin r2 commited
open for your improvements, as agreed on skype a moment ago, whenever you have time :-) | [14:18] |
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rodrigo_sampaio | xavi: ok, later today I will check it | [14:19] |
xavi | ok, thanks! :-) | [14:19] |
chealer | hello rodrigo_sampaio | [14:20] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: I have a question about commit message tags, I saw you were clarifying it a while ago | [14:21] |
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rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: taking as an example the change I'm working on wikiplugins user interface
chealer: adding dependency relation between different params chealer: I think this is something in between [NEW] and [ENH] chealer: it is not really [NEW] because it is a small new functionally, not a new feature, something big chealer: and it is not [ENH] because it is not just an improvement to look and feel or performance chealer: what am I missing? :) | [14:21] |
xavi | c u all (lunch and teaching time) | [14:25] |
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luciash | rodrigo_sampaio: i would use [MOD] | [14:25] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: from changelog.txt: [MOD] is a change in how things work, which may disrupt user habits, for example changing the default value of an option
luciash: [MOD] would be my choice as well until a while ago when chealer or someone else showed me the definition of [MOD] on changelog.txt | [14:26] |
luciash | rodrigo_sampaio: don't take it too strictly, i also used [ADD] if i was just adding something to a script
and [REM] for removing | [14:27] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: AFAIK the problem is that the release script parse this tags, so since [ADD] is not defined in changelog.txt I guess it is not considered by the release script
luciash: just guessing luciash: there was a discussion about this a while ago but I was not really following it | [14:28] |
luciash | first i thought it should be strictly followed too but since i realized it doesn't matter and all stupid commit msgs go to changelog anyway, it really doesn't matter that much
rodrigo_sampaio: that's the problem, it doesn't | [14:28] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: ok, I see. in this case it really doesn't matter
luciash: thanks | [14:29] |
luciash | rodrigo_sampaio: "the problem is that the release script parse this tags" is not true (anymore ?)
rodrigo_sampaio: i thought that too but either it was never working like that (i just dreamed ?) or it got stopped working at some point (putting only recognizable [FOO] to changelog) rodrigo_sampaio: i would prefer if it worked like that actually, because having commit with just "oops" in the changelog is really waste of space | [14:30] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: I think the tags should be targetted to administrators. If they're going to see your commit as something new or an enhancement, use the appropriate tag (of course it's not always clear between [NEW] and [ENH].
rodrigo_sampaio: but when we're adding new infrastructure or enhancing the infrastructure to facilitate our development in the future, admins don't care, so probably no tag should be used. you can still comment "enhance plugin parameters architecture, to allow better plugin user interfaces" | [14:36] |
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RavenC | polom | [14:41] |
chealer | polom
chibaguy: is "User List" correct to mean a list of users? Is it OK to put user in the singular? we have that in several places, like tiki-list_users | [14:47] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: I see, but from what luciash said, where administrators will see it if the release script does not consider the tags and every commit message to changelog.txt? | [14:49] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: I think what luciash said is that the script only makes the difference between no tag (ignored) and at least one tag (included)
I didn't verify but that sounds right | [14:50] |
luciash | no, i mean *everything* goes in changelog currently | [14:51] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: not the case, I'm checking changelog.txt and apparently every commit is there | [14:52] |
luciash | every commit msg | [14:52] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: things like "lost hyphem" and "ops, changed some spaces inside strings to tab with previous commit" are commit messages present in changelog.txt | [14:53] |
luciash | chealer: i would use "Users List", imho | [14:53] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer, luciash: in any case, I think it is a good habit to keep with the tags and see if someone finds time to fix the release script to add only commit messages with tags (or with a set of tags) to changelog.txt | [14:53] |
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chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: OK. yes, and even if the script is not changed, they're useful
luciash: yes, me too | [15:06] |
chibaguy | chealer: yes, I think that's ok ("User list" for list of users) like "book store" has books and "pet shop" has pets. | [15:07] |
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chealer | chibaguy: ah, I see, OK
thank you | [15:10] |
chibaguy | g'night. | [15:12] |
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luciash | chibaguy + chealer : but isn't this (the specific examples) just to avoid pronounciation trouble ? both second words start by "s" and it would be uncomfortable to pronounce two s following each other
books store, pets shop i am no english grammar expert, it just feels like that ;) chealer: good comparison can be googling the exact term and see which one is more used "user list" vs "users list" | [15:16] |
chealer | luciash: hum, good question
luciash: it seems "User List" is more common. and used by Drupal | [15:32] |
luciash | fine then
i would never write "Animal List" though ;) | [15:34] |
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chealer | luciash: it does sound strange to me | [15:37] |
rodrigo_sampaio | am I missing or wikiplugins required fields are not really required (i.e. you can insert in a wiki page a wiki plugin even if you leave a required field empty)? | [15:40] |
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iblsysteme | bonjours,
il y as t'il quelqu'un qui pale le français | [15:42] |
JoernOtt | je comprends un peu le francais mais il y a de developpeurs canadiens et francais qui parlent beaucoup mieux | [15:45] |
iblsysteme | merci parce j'ai un souci pour la création de formulaire
je dois construire un formulaire pour faire des dépôts de codes sources sous forme de fichier compresser et aussi une image pour décrire le code source mais le formulaire me donne les données écrite mais le fichier Zip et l'image il ne me l'ai affiche pas que dois je faire? | [15:46] |
JoernOtt | les fichiers sont dans le file-gallery? | [15:50] |
iblsysteme | non dans des dossier bien spécifique comme vb.net,CSharp,C++,etc... | [15:51] |
JoernOtt | les "dossiers" dans tiki sont les "file-galleries"? | [15:52] |
iblsysteme | je vais voir
je n'ais même pas de file-galleries j'ai un dossier file tous simplement | [15:53] |
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JoernOtt | normalement on fait le upload des fichies dans une "file-gallery" et les formulaires pour ca sont deja la.
apres ca, il y a des differentes possibilites pour l'acces | [15:58] |
iblsysteme | pour les permission je l'ai ai donnée mais je me demande si il n'y as pas de volume spécifique pour les Zip
en MO parce qu'il y as des sources +/- de 50 MO | [16:00] |
JoernOtt | c'est une specification dans php.ini | [16:02] |
iblsysteme | ha ok | [16:02] |
JoernOtt | normalement c'est "upload_max_filesize = 2M" | [16:02] |
iblsysteme | mais je n'ais pas accès au php.ini | [16:03] |
JoernOtt | et aussi "post_max_size = 8M"
peut-etre vous pouvez changer ca dans un .htaccess http://www.besthostratings.com/articles/php-variables-htaccess.html | [16:03] |
iblsysteme | oui peut être je vais regarder à cela
merci pour le lien parce que le site web est grand et long à construire presque le meme que http://codes-sources.com je travail sur un serveur dont je n'ai pas accès aux fichier systeme du serveur | [16:04] |
JoernOtt | normalement c'est un change-request je pose a l'administrateur du serveur | [16:08] |
iblsysteme | c'est un service automatisé de chez https://www.hosting24.com | [16:08] |
JoernOtt | et un service comme ca est assez grand pour un site grand? | [16:09] |
iblsysteme | oui
espace ilimité nom de domaine illimité aussi et le tiki est installé depuis chez eux | [16:09] |
JoernOtt | mais cpu et ram sont limite et il y a plusieurs clients sur un serveur | [16:11] |
iblsysteme | car je travail avec joomla et et tiki en meme temps
serveur indépendant | [16:11] |
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iblsysteme | en free il est connecté sur la meme ligne que les autres moi je l'ai acheté | [16:13] |
JoernOtt | mais c'est pas un serveur independent: "We also have a policy of a maximum of 300 clients per server." | [16:15] |
iblsysteme | j'ai passez par un groupe intermédiaire com elb multimédia | [16:16] |
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iblsysteme | c'est un serveur entier que j'ai
mais les fichier source son inacessible dis moi tu travail que sur le tiki ou tu fais autre chose aussi? | [16:17] |
JoernOtt | 95% autre chose, j'ai plusieurs clients et i y a quelques'uns qui utilisent tiki (et moi j utilise tiki pour mon intranet, mes pages publics) | [16:21] |
iblsysteme | moi je cherche aussi des personnes pour travaillez sur plusieur domaineaussi bien sur le site que sur les développement de logiciels
le tiki est en parrallèle avec le site principal qui est http://devsysteme.fr | [16:23] |
JoernOtt | moi je suis un mercenaire, je travaile pour les gens, si on me paye assez d'argent ;-) | [16:25] |
iblsysteme | on utilise tous les langages informatique | [16:25] |
JoernOtt | et i y a des autres comme moi ici | [16:26] |
iblsysteme | # VB,VB.NET ( 122 Articles ) # ASP.NET ( 0 Articles ) # C++ ( 0 Articles ) # GoldFusion ( 0 Articles ) # PHP ( 0 Articles ) # JavaScript ( 0 Articles ) # Delphi ( 0 Articles ) # Java ( 0 Articles ) # Graphisme ( 0 Articles ) # IRC ( 0 Articles ) # Assembler ( 0 Articles ) # CSharp ( 0 Articles ) # Mobilité ( 0 Articles ) # SQL ( 0 Articles ) # FoxPro ( 0 Articles ) # Python ( 0 Articles ) # Regex
voici une partie des codes que l'on travails | [16:26] |
JoernOtt | moi je prefere php, mais il y a des clients ou j'utilise VBA ou VB ou meme java | [16:27] |
iblsysteme | le php est plus rapide | [16:28] |
lphuberdeau | (just a notice, this is an english channel - I understand french, but for the sake of everyone else) | [16:28] |
iblsysteme | j'ai conçu un logiciels Client IRC | [16:28] |
JoernOtt | ca depends, les gens a facebook ont develope et utilisent hiphop pour accelerer php
http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/358 | [16:29] |
iblsysteme | Lphuberdeau je ne connait pas l'anglais
et sur le irc français le serveur est planté | [16:30] |
lphuberdeau | #tikiwiki-fr | [16:31] |
iblsysteme | il plante à chaque fois que je veut me connecté | [16:32] |
lphuberdeau | c'est un channel sur le même serveur | [16:34] |
iblsysteme | c'est bon sa fonctionne maintenant merci | [16:34] |
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RavenC | I am gone a month and come back to a brand new version of Tiki!! Thanks to you all for the great work! | [16:45] |
luciash | RavenC: hi, u r welcome :) | [16:46] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: you know if required params for wikiplugins ever worked?
luciash: apparently if you set an wikiplugin param as required the only think is that its name will appear as bold text on the wikiplugin form | [16:47] |
luciash | rodrigo_sampaio: i don't remember exactly | [16:48] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: ok
luciash: you know who worked on this? luciash: I mean wikiplugins user interface? | [16:48] |
luciash | rodrigo_sampaio: lph, obviously, started, jonnyb revamped to jquery ui | [16:49] |
rodrigo_sampaio | luciash: thanks | [16:49] |
luciash | iirc
:) Sug4r: do you know? | [16:49] |
Sug4r | Obviously. | [16:50] |
luciash | :) | [16:50] |
rodrigo_sampaio | lphuberdeau: you know if required params for wikiplugins ever worked? apparently if you set a wikiplugin parameter as required its text will be bold and that is it. you can submit a wikiplugin form with a required param empty | [16:50] |
lphuberdeau | yeah, not inforced | [16:51] |
rodrigo_sampaio | lphuberdeau: ok, thanks | [16:52] |
chealer | what do people think about changing the short date and time format, which currently puts the date and time, except for the current day where it just displays the time, to not display the time except for today? | [17:04] |
luciash | i think it is ok like it is, but if you make it optional, why not | [17:04] |
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mike_m | tried to register at tikiwiki.org, no confirmation email | [18:00] |
ricks99 | did u check ur spam folder? make sure to whitelist "tiki.org" domain | [18:01] |
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rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: you mean setting tiki short date and time default format to display just the date? | [18:07] |
mike_m | no spam filters | [18:07] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: for days other than the current one, yes | [18:08] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: I'm not against but sounds odd to have a data and time format that displays just the date? I don't remember if we have tiki short date
s/data/date/ chealer: by the way, I'm working today on the pluginui :) | [18:08] |
ricks99 | @mike_m: log says mail sent to tiki at mmartin dot net
will attempt to resend to you. 1 sec pls | [18:10] |
chealer | right, but on the other hand it can already display just the time (for the current day)
it would display the date OR the time | [18:11] |
ricks99 | mailed at 16:06 UTC | [18:12] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: we do have a short date format (see Admin General). the short date and time is a combination of the short date and the short time | [18:12] |
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chealer | by default, the ISO format
rodrigo_sampaio: good :-) I'm working at the customer which was confused with the FILE plugin | [18:12] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: that is what I thought. so for me since we have tiki short format sounds bad to change tiki short date and time format to display just the date.
chealer: but as I said, I'm not totally against | [18:13] |
ricks99 | Anyone: Is ther a way to remove the tracker ID# from search results? Instead of (#123) Foo I simply want Foo | [18:14] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: sorry, what do you mean by "since we have tiki short format sounds bad to change tiki short date and time format to display just the date"
"since we have tiki short format"? | [18:14] |
rodrigo_sampaio | ops
chealer: tiki shor date format short :) | [18:14] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: hum, I'm not sure I'm making myself clear. the short date and time format would not always display just the date, it would "only" do that for days other than the one current. | [18:17] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: dependency between params is already working (only locally commited) and now I'm working to make required params work properly (apparently there is no check being done and you can submit a wikiplugin with a required param empty) | [18:18] |
chealer | for example, your last message would show as 13:15, but one you sent yesterday would show as 2010-11-09 | [18:18] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: yes, I understood | [18:18] |
chealer | while it currently shows, say, as 2010-11-09 10:10 | [18:18] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: I agree that the time is not that important for older dates | [18:19] |
chealer | oh, and thanks luciash for your opinion. that may be what I'll do indeed | [18:19] |
mike_m | @ricks99 thanks, I'll check w ISP | [18:20] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: just feel that since the preference is named date and time I would expect it to display the time always. but on the other hand, as you sad it is already possible to make it display just the time for the current day.
chealer: but it is not something that I care much :) chealer: so if you think it will improve tiki go for it | [18:20] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: OK. I agree it can be confusing | [18:22] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: but as you pointed this confusion exist already, since for the current day there is a option to display only the time ;)
chealer: can you confirm that there is no check for required wikiplugin params? I mean that you can submit a wikiplugin form even if you leave a required param empty | [18:22] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: yeah, thank you | [18:23] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: as far as I could check and read in the code the only thing that changes when you set a param as required is that its label is changed to bold | [18:23] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: I never looked into that, in fact I hadn't even realized. it does do that on my trunk. that would be nice to fix | [18:26] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: working on it | [18:26] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: BTW, I tested with plugin MOUSEOVER, and going quickly, I clicked "Advanced options" instead of "Insert". | [18:27] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: actually the functionality is ready, now I'm just fighting to create a nice user interface | [18:27] |
chealer | maybe because the advanced button is blue and has more contrast
rodrigo_sampaio: thanks. yeah... | [18:27] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: agree
chealer: but as I was saying creating user interface is not were I'm good ;) | [18:27] |
chealer | we have that in common. good to hear you have dependencies working. | [18:30] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: at least working for the cases I have tested :) | [18:31] |
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chealer | :-) | [18:34] |
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chealer | chealer is getting edition problems in trunk. JS errors about undefined setFlipWithSign.
anyone else? | [19:28] |
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chealer | I found the problem ^^ | [20:19] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: I confirm this issue
chealer: it has been annoying me for some time now but not enough to check it | [20:20] |
CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30622 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
tikiwiki: [NEW] add the possibility to display a set of wiki plugin parameters only if tikiwiki: a specific value of another parameter is selected (using flash tikiwiki: wikiplugin as an example) | [20:21] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: yeah, same here. now that I found the cause, it would have been surprising if I had been the only one experiencing it :-) | [20:21] |
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CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30623 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_file.php:
tikiwiki: adding new param type and setting other params as children of one of the tikiwiki: values of type param for wikiplugin_file.php tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30624 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_file.php: just replacing four spaces with tab tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30625 10/trunk/lib/tiki-js.js: tikiwiki: [ENH] display nothing instead of 'Undefined' if wikiplugin param tikiwiki: description is not set tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30626 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_file.php: tikiwiki: improving wikiplugin_file.php by using required option for some of its tikiwiki: params | [20:22] |
chealer | aaahh. thank you rodrigo_sampaio | [20:22] |
CIA-75 | tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r30627 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js:
tikiwiki: [ENH] don't allow user to submit wikiplugin form when a required param tikiwiki: is empty | [20:23] |
chealer | chealer shuts up and lets commits keep coming ing | [20:23] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: no more commits :)
chealer: the only thing from our discussion that is missing is the bool type for params chealer: not planning to do that. it is a bit complicated (not much) and not a priority for what I'm planning to do with the blogs chealer: when you test it let me know if you found any issues or if you have suggestions | [20:23] |
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nkoth | hi, now for 6x I have to propose fixes right? | [20:26] |
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chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: I'm guessing there's some git underneath this flurry of commits, no? | [20:27] |
rodrigo_sampaio | nkoth: I don't think so. If I remember correctly you can commit directly to branch 6.x until 6.1
nkoth: only after 6.1 that you have to commit first on trunk and then on proposals | [20:27] |
chealer | nkoth: not until proposals/6.x/ is started and the QT takes 6.x (6.1 or so, indeed) | [20:28] |
nkoth | ok,thanks | [20:28] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: exactly, I do only git local commits during the day and by the end of the day "git svn dcommit" to send the changes to the svn repository | [20:29] |
chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: excellent, bool would have been an extra | [20:29] |
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chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: tempting :-) | [20:30] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: git is great, soon I will post a step-by-step on how to start using git svn
chealer: but it is not complicated chealer: the main issue I found was how to deal with all the svn:externals we have | [20:30] |
chealer | K | [20:37] |
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chealer | rodrigo_sampaio: excellent job. FILE plugin looks great | [20:37] |
rodrigo_sampaio | chealer: nice! :)
chealer: I'm happy it will be useful | [20:47] |
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lphuberdeau | feels like commits had been held back for a few days now | [21:35] |
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chealer | hehe, yeah, but I think rodrigo_sampaio is the most gity | [21:45] |
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lphuberdeau | well, off to a different time zone - any last questions? | [21:51] |
mohrt | is it beer thirty? | [21:52] |
chealer | hi mohrt | [21:53] |
mohrt | whats up in tiki land? :) | [21:54] |
sylvieg | does somebody know what I have to do if all the time consumed is in the mysql requests (more that 16s) | [21:56] |
lphuberdeau | check the indexes with EXPLAIN | [21:56] |
chealer | mohrt: /topic is very fresh, 6.0 just released :-) hence the question of going Smarty 3 now or after Tiki 7 | [21:57] |
lphuberdeau | it's probably a bad SQL query | [21:57] |
sylvieg | will check again..
the mysql behavior is only bad when a lot of users arrive - after a newsletter | [21:58] |
mohrt | if you go smarty 3, when is the next release?
(if you go now) | [21:58] |
lphuberdeau | ah, then that might just be the server being loaded, slow queries just get more stress
next release is april 2011 no matter what | [21:59] |
sylvieg | I go more for this kind of explaination | [21:59] |
lphuberdeau | fixing the queries can still help a lot | [21:59] |
chealer | mohrt: the cycle is 6 months, so 7 should release in May and 8 in November 2011 | [21:59] |
sylvieg | .. may 2011?? we aer always a little late | [21:59] |
lphuberdeau | otherwise, MySQL may not have enough space in buffers to handle everything at once, so tuning mysql is required | [22:00] |
sylvieg | good idea lphuberdeau thanks | [22:00] |
lphuberdeau | default values were made for 10 year old average servers
lphuberdeau recommends everyone have a copy of High Performance MySQL by bedside | [22:00] |
mohrt | if you guys want to preview the smarty 3 site coming soon, http://dev3.smarty.net/ feedback always appreciated. there is a lot of new content. | [22:01] |
lphuberdeau | on this note, I need to pack my computer | [22:01] |
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mohrt | the smarty 3 docs are up to date on there, changing every day though | [22:02] |
sylvieg | sylvieg has the book but did not read it seriously | [22:02] |
chealer | mohrt: ah, I should have found that before. "New Lexer/Parser" sounds good
UTF-8 too | [22:05] |
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mohrt | yes the lexer is no longer a contortion of regex calls...
template inheritance makes you change the way you think of template organization. I used it for the smarty site, and it's really nice. speeds up development quite a bit. | [22:08] |
chealer | mohrt: ooooh. yes, that could save us a lot of trouble
The backward-incompatible changes don't seem so bad, but still considerable for the number of template files we have. I think we should follow your advice and wait for 3.0, and until smaller projects switch. | [22:12] |
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mohrt | yes I would not rush implementing smarty 3. I'd say 90-95% will work out of the box, but it isn't as simple as adjusting until it works. Not if you want to use new features too.
if you don't take advantage of new features, there isn't a hugely compelling reason to upgrade. its quicker at some things, not at others. just depends how you use it. Generally the more complex the tpls are, the more efficient it is over smarty 2 | [22:15] |
chealer | mohrt: do you mean by "not as simple" that we'd better go through all template files one by one, or just that our Smarty infrastructure needs to be reviewed? | [22:17] |
mohrt | when you drop in smarty 3, you should notice all problems right away. all of you templates *may* need adjusting, I don't know. But, i'm saying you may want to review how you use Smarty, and if you might want to take advantage of new features.
like, remove literal tags where not necessary. reorganize and use template inheritance... on the PHP side, use data objects if they better suit your uses. use a variable filter to auto-escape HTML where you want to do so (normally so?) replace in-template {math} calls with native math... | [22:19] |
chealer | mohrt: variable filter! we discussed doing that several months ago and I said we should consult Smarty people. so it's already done!! :-)
chealer starts actually reading the new stuff | [22:22] |
mohrt | the variable filter is now very smart. it will filter {$foo}, but ignore {if $foo == "bar"} in the template tags. (for instance)
it knows when $foo is actually generating output or not smarty 2 default modifiers were not so smartish... | [22:23] |
chealer | oh, so it existed in Smarty 2 | [22:26] |
mohrt | sort of. it just applied |modifier to every instance of a variable in the tpl | [22:27] |
chealer | yes, that will be much better | [22:27] |
mohrt | you can disable them per-variable too {$foo nofilter} | [22:27] |
chealer | yeah
mohrt: very interesting. | [22:28] |
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nkoth | I have a situation where my smarty cycle always start with the 2nd value - it's driving me nuts | [22:35] |
mohrt | tpl source? | [22:35] |
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nkoth | reset=true seems to have no effect | [22:35] |
mohrt | shouldn't need it
are you using cycle in other capacities in the template (or included tpls)? | [22:35] |
nkoth | I'll try various combination. maybe the name is problemantic | [22:38] |
mohrt | yeah be sure to give it a unique name to be certain you are not colliding with other cycle calls | [22:39] |
nkoth | do you think strip has anything to do with it?
no itcan't be | [22:43] |
sylvieg | nkoth: I got one time with a module conflicting with a page | [22:49] |
nkoth | actually the cause of this one seems to be: {if !$smarty.foreach.eforeach.last}
if I put the cycle in that if then it starts with the last one it doesn't make sense to me though got to try it in a sandbox to see if tthis is really the issue | [22:49] |
mohrt | got a tpl snippit of the whole thing? | [22:57] |
nkoth | creating simple sandbox. hold on | [22:57] |
http://pastebin.com/Bqng9Nri
ok this is ok | [23:02] | |
mohrt | works in a simple test for me
{foreach from=$foo item=i name=foo} {cycle name=outsideif values="a,b"}{if !$smarty.foreach.foo.last}{cycle name=insideif values="c,d"}{/if} {/foreach} | [23:06] |
nkoth | yeah I ;m trying to find out why in tracker_item_field_input.tpl it seems opposite | [23:06] |
mohrt | ac
bd ac bd a | [23:06] |
nkoth | maybe its run out of sequence | [23:06] |
mohrt | where $foo = array(1,2,3,4,5)
outta here, laters | [23:07] |
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srishti | hi
i am trying to set up tiki6 | [23:27] |
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srishti | but i get this error..you have to enable cookie..
how do i go abt resolving this one? | [23:28] |
nkoth | srishti: are you upgrading or is this a new install? | [23:29] |
srishti | new install | [23:29] |
nkoth | are your cookies enabled on your browser? | [23:29] |
srishti | yes it is | [23:30] |
nkoth | have you installed past versions of tiki before? | [23:32] |
srishti | yes..i didnt have this issue before | [23:32] |
nkoth | can you look in your browser cookies and see what "path" is the tiki session cookie set to
is the site online now? | [23:33] |
srishti | its our intranet | [23:35] |
nkoth | are you doing somehting like remapping the subdirectory to the root using mod_rewrite or something?
if so try accessing the site directly in the subdirectory | [23:35] |
thraxisp | nkoth: sounds like my issue | [23:37] |
nkoth | yeah, wondering if he had the same issue | [23:37] |
thraxisp | I found that the session cookie's path matched the install directory name. There are a bunch of other cookies (maybe from menus) that have a path of "/".
After login, they seem to use the path in the preferences. | [23:38] |
srishti | yeah thats what i have | [23:39] |
thraxisp | Are you using mod_rewrite in Apache to fix the path? | [23:40] |
srishti | not really | [23:43] |
fabricius | srishti: hi, did you - just to have it done - cleared your cache of the browser?
srishti: very often that did help me -> actually cache and cookies | [23:48] |
srishti | yes i cleared my browser
thnks | [23:49] |
fabricius | ok - just an idea, becaus I often forget this ;-) | [23:49] |
srishti | thanks fabricius | [23:50] |
thraxisp | srishti: Is the root for tiki the same as the server root? | [23:51] |
srishti | no its not
i am working on my personal dir | [23:51] |
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