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[02:42] version 6 [02:44] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3640 - - Version 6 WYSIWYG - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3640 [02:45] *** mohrt has left [02:49] *** goj|ghost has joined #tikiwiki [02:53] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:53] *** goj|ghost is now known as goj [02:54] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3642 - - Upgrade database gives a blank page - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3642 [02:54] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3643 - - Banning system Rule activated by dates - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3643 [02:54] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3644 - - Using code box in combination with split places behind every line in code box - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3644 [03:04] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3645 - - userlist heading link color - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3645 [03:22] !help [03:22] You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tikiwiki.org/TikiBot . 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[05:51] *** jcyrisse has joined #tikiwiki [05:55] evening [06:07] *** honeygirl has joined #tikiwiki [06:08] *** mikebeary has joined #tikiwiki [06:21] *** mikebeary has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:34] *** mikebeary has joined #tikiwiki [07:03] *** mikebeary has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:27] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3646 - - Edit textarea problems in Opera - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3646 [07:37] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3647 - - Feature request: record video from webcam in page or post editing - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3647 [07:39] *** chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki [07:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o chibaguy [07:39] polom [07:42] *** mikebeary has joined #tikiwiki [07:43] Can someone give me a hand with this... I want to change where you register and where you login to say "you must use your school email address as your login" [07:43] How do I change the code to say that? [07:53] mikebeary: The file that displays the registration form is templates/tiki-register.tpl [07:53] Thank you very much chibaguy [07:54] There's a text line there "Register as a new user". The upgrade-safe way to change or add to this would be to create a custom language file. [07:54] In the template, this is a translatable text string. [07:55] So you could make a "translation" for your site that adds the extra information. [07:55] the file would be lang/en/custom.php [07:55] You can see an example file: lang/fr/custom-template.php I think it's called. [07:56] Just be sure your text editor is set up to save in utf-8 character encoding. [07:56] Have your ftp program ready to remove or rename the custom.php file in case there's a problem. If the encoding is wrong, it could stop your site from working ;-). [07:57] Ok. Sounds like a little bit I have to learn, I'll check out the custom php now. I haven't done much coding in HTML or php but maybe it's something I can figure out [07:57] your custom.php language file won't be touched by site upgrades. [07:57] Gotcha [07:57] well, this task doesn't require much in the way of coding skills, if you just follow the example of the custom-template fie. [07:58] basically, commented out lines (starting with //) are ignored. [07:58] Ok [07:58] strings for translation are pairs, with the left side being what is found in the template, and the right side being what you want it to display as. [07:59] New Forum Posts: displaying a login disclaimer - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=39479 [07:59] you can look at the main language files, like lang/en/language.php to see what is used as default. [08:01] You know, actually there is an admin interface for this kind of customization, I just remembered. (I told you the old-school way.) [08:03] anyway to use an actual poll in a tracker? for example, a poll already in existance? [08:03] Downloading custom.php_example now [08:03] Nice [08:04] Go to admin l18n (the flags icon) and click the "customized string translation" tab, then "English", then put the original (default) string, in this case "Register as a new user" in the left column and your edited version in the right. [08:05] I haven't done it this way myself but I assume it works as expected. [08:06] Got to the part where I select english [08:06] I then click "edit" [08:07] But now i don't see columns, just code and a place to alter existing or add my own code [08:08] I appreciate all your help [08:08] hmm, what version is your tiki installation? [08:09] in tiki 6 I have two columns of text fields (boxes); left says "English" and right says "Translation". [08:10] 5.3 [08:10] Should [08:10] Should i upgrade? [08:11] It says I'm up to date. Can I go to 6 and not lose forums? [08:12] yes, an upgrade won't bother your site's content. [08:12] or configuration. [08:16] ah, ok. In tiki 5 (just checked) you have essentially the custom.php code. [08:16] So you can edit it in the admin interface rather than in the file with an editor. [08:17] So you don't necessarily have to update the tiki version (though that's always good to do). [08:21] Thanks a lot chiba. I think I'll try to do the update. I just backed up the site. From what i understand, i copy the old site to a temp folder, install 6 to the main folder, and then copy over all files relating to forums and stuff i want to keep? [08:23] Your forums' configuration and content are in the database; no files involved. [08:23] No sorry, i think I get it Noe [08:23] Now. [08:24] When you do the tiki-install.php update, it'll update the database, but will just modify the database structure, etc., but not bother your additions. (Of course, backing up the database first is recommended.) [08:25] *** GillesMM has joined #tikiwiki [08:31] *** GillesMM has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [08:33] chibaguy: do you know if you can use an actual poll within a tracker, like pulling in a poll id? [08:37] Upgraded to 6. Did they move the admin control page? I don't see the admin link anymore [08:37] Nvm [08:39] Ugh. Unzipped tiki 6 to it's own directory thinking it'll upgrade the www root from there. [08:39] jcyrisse: sorry, I don't know about that at all. [08:40] Do you just unpack the new tiki version to the www root? [08:41] chibaguy: ok, no problem. do you happen to have the link to info about how to modify or build a plugin? [08:46] http://dev.tiki.org/Hello%20world#To_create_a_new_plugin [08:46] But I'm not sure if that's up to date or not. [08:47] Tiki for smarties has a good page for installing and accessing plugins [08:48] mikebeary, I guess. Basically you want to either replace your old installation. [08:48] So probably in the web root. [08:48] ty [08:49] mikebeary: I understand you can have apache redirect to a subdirectory and it looks like you're installation is in the web root, but I don't know exactly how to do that. [08:50] er, your installation [08:55] Ok, im just going to cut and past the contents of the 6.0 file directly into my www root [09:00] *** kiilo has joined #tikiwiki [09:00] Do i run the installer again? [09:06] Everything worked perfectly. Changing the Lang stuff Noe [09:06] Now. [09:06] Tikiwiki is awesome [09:06] ok, great. sorry for being slow here. [09:06] DITTO....it sure is [09:06] (watching the car chase from bullet in another window) [09:07] Haha. Great movie [09:07] er, Bullitt [09:14] Hmm. Ok it's saved in there. In the left column it's got "Use your email as login". On the right Is something different. Its saved. [09:14] When I log out and click register, it hasn't changed. [09:15] Is that tool supposed to change anywhere on the site where the string matches in the left column to what the string is in the right column? [09:15] Try flushing the caches (tiki-admin_system.php) [09:15] yes, that's how it should work. [09:18] chibaguy: collegecollab.org admin/admin [09:18] Is there something im doing wrong? [09:19] *** CIA-79 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [09:21] I'm not sure "Use your email as login. " is the string for translation. Do you see that on the register page? [09:22] Ah, try removing the extra space at the end of the sentence. [09:22] *** CIA-79 has joined #tikiwiki [09:24] Bag [09:24] Bah. Nah, didn't help [09:24] ok. I'm searching the template files for the string. ... [09:25] ah, also delete the period. [09:25] That was it [09:25] Thanks very much dude. I owe you one [09:26] sure, no problem. [09:27] you better change the admin password fast ;-) [09:29] Lol [09:30] seriously [09:31] I just did. Thanks [09:32] moring :) [09:32] ok. I wonder why the anti-bot verification image isn't displaying [09:33] hi changi|berlin [09:33] One last question. I'm Want separate schools to have their own page, and each school's campuses to have their own page. Below that i want each group to have it's own page. What should be the tools I use for this? I know little about workspaces, group pages and perspectives [09:34] Hmm yes the image is not there damn [09:37] chibaguy: is the image not link with with a specific library like gd or imagick ? [09:38] I never changed anything [09:38] I have no idea [09:38] mikebeary: do you a have a filegal ? [09:39] mikebear: about the users, the classic method is to use Groups, so you'd have a campus group for each campus, and groups within each campus group (that is, the club group would inherit the campus group's permissions. I'm not sure exactly how this is done with perspectives. [09:39] *** kiilo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [09:40] (I've witnessed a site set up with perspectives, but need to go back and check how it was done. ;-) ) [09:40] I had an empty file gallery. [09:41] changi|berlin: shouldn't the anti-bot captcha image display automatically? [09:41] (i mean with no site admin actions) [09:42] I never had a prob with it before. Maybe something happened in the upgrade process [09:44] Is it supposed to pull the image file from a web source? [09:45] No, I think it's created at the server. [09:46] chibaguy: yes it should but i think it's directly linked to a picture library such as GD or IMAGICK, that's why i was asking if mikebeary had a file gallery to check if thumbnails is working [09:46] *** USlacker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:46] ah ok. [09:48] I'm recopying the installation from the tiki6.0 zip [09:49] *** USlacker has joined #tikiwiki [09:50] No luck [09:51] maybe make a new file gallery if you don't have one already, and upload an image file, to see if a thumbnail is created. [09:51] I have always had trouble with the file gallery [09:51] (I recommend choosing to store images in the file system - in a directory - rather than in the database.) [09:51] Would never show pictures and if I downloaded them they'd be inoperable [09:51] yeah, there was an issue with that in tiki 5. [09:52] How do i change that? [09:52] esp. when stored in the database. [09:53] there's an option on the admin file galleries page. [09:54] you'll need to create the directory (folder) then enter its path on the admin page. [09:57] Hmm. Created a directory called filegallery under the public_HTML folder [09:58] Intried typing filegallery/, filegallery, public_HTML/filegallery, and public_HTML/filegallery/ [09:59] It always says "you must specify a directory" [09:59] ah, it needs to be the path from the server, ah, root or whatever it's called, as shown in phpinfo. [10:00] Nevermind [10:00] I needed to save the preferences first [10:01] Pic still doesn't work [10:01] The captcha [10:02] can you try uploading an image file to a file gallery? [10:02] Yes that works fine now for the first time [10:03] good [10:03] does the thumbnail show for the image? [10:04] Yes thumbnails work too [10:04] ok, well, that eliminates the possibility that the gd library isn't working. it is. so there must be another problem with the anti-bot image. [10:05] And since the upgrade sometimes when i go to the page, no graphics at all show. Just a white page with text [10:06] Until I refresh [10:06] which graphics do you mean? the page header, etc? [10:07] Yes [10:08] what browser are you using? [10:09] mikebeary: did you run the setup.sh to set proper right on directories [10:09] i'm not seeing that problem in firefox or opera [10:11] Im using firefox 3.5.5 [10:11] Maybe i have an old version [10:11] well, it isn't that old. [10:15] are you using "Captcha" only? Not "ReCaptcha"? ReCaptcha requires registration at their site. [10:15] It's whatever the default it [10:15] (I'm assuming just Captcha, based on the image url.) [10:15] Is [10:15] ok [10:16] well, until it's figured out, you could turn off captcha. [10:16] Firefox was wanting to install updates... [10:16] Yeah [10:17] or switch to ReCaptcha. I think registering is quick and free. [10:17] You're not seeing the captcha too so I know it's not my browser [10:17] right. [10:17] What's the difference? [10:18] ReCaptcha fetches an image from another site (owned by Google now). [10:18] and is a little more elaborate (has audio alternative, etc.) [10:18] Ok [10:20] In the meantime we can see if any other reports come in about captcha not working, or if it's something specific to your installation. [10:24] Nice. Got recaptcha working [10:25] *** LordVan has joined #tikiwiki [10:25] *** LordVan has quit IRC (Changing host) [10:25] *** LordVan has joined #tikiwiki [10:28] great [10:28] hi. [10:28] anyone upgraded production system to 6.0 yet? [10:30] (just wanting to know if there's anything to watch out for not in docs ;)) [10:30] What's the "feature galleries" preference? [10:30] I can't show the random picture because itndays [10:31] It says that preference is not set [10:33] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r30676 10/branches/6.x/tiki-jsplugin.php: [bp/30664][FIX] Forcing expires on plugin js [10:40] mikebeary: the random picture uses a image gallery rather than file gallery, apparently. [10:41] file galleries are intended to replace image galleries so I'm surprised random picture still wants an image gallery set (I think that's the problem here). [10:42] LordVan: I think it's good not to rush to update to a x.0 release. [10:45] ;) well it's not a very busy page. xooxox [10:45] rofl [10:45] well, maybe ok, then. [10:45] stupid autocomplete [10:46] I mean 6.0 works. :-) [10:46] so anyway i'll be lurking in here if/when i do the upgrade ;) [10:46] LordVan: what version is your site at now? [10:50] chibaguy: ah, ok. Too bad. Sounded like a cool module [10:50] not sure of exact version right now. does it show u on the page somewhere? (startrek.or.at) [10:51] mikebeary: you could make an image gallery specific for it. Or there may be a way to configure the module to use a file gallery; I'm not sure offhand. [10:52] ah in the admin section [10:52] i got 4.1 [10:52] never got around to do the 5.x update but i like twitter and fb integration idea ;) [10:53] ah, it would be good to upgrade, for security reasons. [10:53] plus the new features. [10:53] yeah thought so ;) [10:55] so anyway even from 4.1 upgrade should go w/o any problems right? [10:55] yes, I think so. [10:56] k i let u know if i get any problems ;) [10:56] sure [10:56] btw is there some easy way to get my pages/blogs/.. from my drupal install (different page) into tiki? [10:57] I don't think so. There's mediawiki and wordpress importers, so far, but not drupal, that I know of. [10:58] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r30677 10/branches/6.x/comments.php: ~IND~ No change only identation [10:58] hmm ok maybe i can somehow write an import/drupal eyport myself (i don't really wanna mess with the tiki db manually since i don't know enough about it. [10:59] is there some xmlrpc/soap way to insert blog posts,.. into tiki? [10:59] that'd be great if you code write it. [10:59] heh, I mean could write it. [11:00] I'm not sure about the xmlrpc method for blog posts. [11:00] I recall seeing xmlrpc for wiki pages, but don't know any details. [11:02] well my current page (www.lordvan.com) mostly consists of blog pages and a few other pages [11:02] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r30678 10/branches/6.x/css/ (admin.css calendar.css ie6.css): ~QA~ Style definitions must end with a semicolon - spot by quality.tiki.org [11:03] although if i write sht like that it'd prolly be python not php since i'm more of a python guy tan php (done quite some php too but that was when php4 had just come out ;)) [11:06] oh, ok. :-) [11:08] but hey u guys doing some good work here with tiki ;) - i mean if there was an equivalent in python i'd use that prolly but there isn't ;)) [11:09] :-) [11:10] is plone the closest thing, maybe? [11:10] prolly i did want to try that but the deps for plone4 drove me nuts [11:11] *** mikebeary has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [11:11] ah [11:32] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r30679 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_dbreport.php: ~IND~ No changes [11:35] although it could be that the guy who was working on the gentoo ebuilds for all the deps is done already by now.. gotta check ;) i like to try new things :D [11:51] chibaguy: need your help, if possible. [11:51] chibaguy: just have a look at info.tiki.org [11:54] hi changi|berlin. I'll take a look. [11:56] the horiz menu looks strange [11:57] yeah, the html syntax is showing, instead of the image. [11:58] I'll edit the menu. [12:02] chibaguy: thx [12:03] ok, no problem. fixed now. I wonder why the code was showing instead of the image. This was working before. [12:06] chibaguy: you just remove the image ? [12:06] yes, I removed the img code. [12:07] I pasted it into the menu description so it can be put back when somebody wants to test it. [12:11] *** thraxisp has quit IRC (Quit: thraxisp) [12:31] *** mohrt has joined #tikiwiki [12:45] *** Andurino has joined #tikiwiki [12:47] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r30680 10/trunk/lib/core/Search/ (36 files in 11 dirs): [SVN] Properties [12:57] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [13:25] *** USlacker has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:26] chibaguy: found who break this image [13:26] chealer: ping ? [13:29] *** USlacker has joined #tikiwiki [13:52] New Forum Posts: need help please - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=39481 [13:57] *** mohrt has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [13:57] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [13:58] changi|berlin: you know who broke it? [14:03] chibaguy: the man i ping :) [14:07] hi changi|berlin [14:09] :) [14:26] *** goj|ghost has joined #tikiwiki [14:29] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [14:29] *** goj|ghost is now known as goj [14:36] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30681 10/trunk/db/tiki-db.php: [FIX] Also check for the MySQL driver when checking for the PDO extension [14:45] chealer: just have a look at your last commit i commented. [14:47] *** mohrt has joined #tikiwiki [14:51] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [14:58] *** jonnyb_ has joined #tikiwiki [14:59] polom Berlin and all [14:59] hang on... [14:59] *** jonnyb_ has left [15:00] *** jonnyb_ has joined #tikiwiki [15:01] *** jonnyb_ has left [15:01] *** jonnyb_ has joined #tikiwiki [15:07] polom [15:07] hi jonnyb_ [15:08] hi chealer [15:08] looks like someone's taken my nickname somehow :( [15:09] jonnyb_: ah. I hope you registered [15:10] yes, i did - but i can't remember how i did it... [15:10] changi|berlin: I don't understand the comment. image, link? I worked on names [15:10] *** mohrt has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [15:11] meaning you forgot your password? :-) [15:11] changi|berlin: I mean, image in link [15:12] changi|berlin: info.tiki.org seems fine to me [15:13] chealer, I fixed it temporarily. [15:13] there was a small image in the first menu item. [15:13] the menu item had code like Menu text [15:14] But the image stopped displaying and the raw HTML displayed. [15:14] *** lindon has joined #tikiwiki [15:17] chealer: so I removed the img HTML for now. [15:18] bbl. got to take the dog for a walk. [15:38] tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r30682 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_sf.php: [FIX] Same fix as r30569 in trunk (should have committed here). Made exact same changes so hopefully no merge problems. Now the plugin works. [15:39] hi lindon - thanks for the careful back-porting :P [15:40] re [15:40] jonnyb: np [15:41] should have waited but got antsy during the freeze [15:41] know the feeling! [15:42] did you make a patch? that makes doing the backport much easier (if you remember!) [15:42] no, how do you make a patch? [15:44] oh, i see...Create Patch in Aptana...duh! [15:53] re [15:54] chibaguy: OK. would you mind putting it back so i can observe the problem? [15:55] is it OK to backport using svn merge? [15:55] sure [15:55] jonnyb_: did you see my question about the JQ plugin and filtering yesterdat? [15:55] s/yesterdat/yesterday/ [15:56] no chealer - don't think so [15:56] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:56] jonnyb_: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2010-11-12,Fri&sel=472#l468 [16:00] ok, checking [16:01] oh yes, sorry - i did see it, too much at once... [16:01] as to an answer - sorry, don't know - i'm guessing it's needed as lphuberdeau put it there :P [16:02] ? [16:02] hi lphuberdeau [16:02] good afternoon [16:02] as chealer wrote yesterday: regarding the JQ plugin, is there any reason to filter the body's content? would it be problematic to remove the filter? [16:03] chealer: sorry, was away. I'll do it now. [16:04] chibaguy: no problem, thank you [16:05] oh, somebody did it already, looks like. [16:06] *** Trebly_ has joined #tikiwiki [16:08] *** Trebly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [16:08] *** Trebly_ is now known as Trebly [16:10] Hmm, getting the "check back in a few minutes" page at info.t.o in one browser. Already logged in in another. [16:11] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [16:25] chibaguy: me too [16:25] changi|berlin: info.tiki.org seems loaded, could you check if everything is normal and if there's anything to do [16:26] I think ohertel recently enabled this error message when there's too much load [16:27] jonnyb_: lphuberdeau didn't touch the JQ plugin, did he? [16:27] I don't think I did [16:27] didn't know there was one in fact [16:32] oh, sorry - the JQ one was based on the JS one, which had a filter so presumably the JQ one should too as it's just a wrapper for some javascript [16:33] so does javascript need filtering? (i don't fully understand it) [16:38] jonnyb_: hum... so JQ is to insert JQuery? but also JavaScript? [16:38] jquery is javascript [16:39] it's just a library [16:39] (and some plugins) [16:39] so it can be dangerous, and therefore should be filtered as unsafe (i guess) [16:40] jonnyb_: so does a JQ plugin help when we already have a JS plugin? [16:41] it puts it in a document.onready wrapper and "auto-escapes" the curly brackets so you don't need {literal} all over the place [16:42] you could do everything the JS plugin does in JQ but not the other way round... [16:42] jonnyb_: and document.onready is a JQuery feature? [16:43] yup [16:43] actually it's $(document).ready() [16:43] which fires after the DOM is ready for access [16:47] jonnyb_: where is feature_jquery controlled? [16:47] *** lindon has left [16:47] it's always on since 5.0 [16:49] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [16:49] jonnyb_: if feature_jquery is always on now, is there anything JQuery-specific about the JQ plugin now then, except that is does use JQuery? [16:50] yes, as i said above (runs onready by default and escapes {}'s) [16:52] jonnyb_: what's JQuery-specific about that? [16:53] doesn't JavaScript use brackets [16:53] s/brackets/curly braces/ [16:53] onready is a jquery function - the escaping smarty stuff is php [16:54] *** chibaguy has quit IRC (Quit: Find new themes for Tiki at http://themes.tikiwiki.org.) [16:54] jonnyb_: yes, but except for using JQuery, is there anything JQuery-specific about it? I mean from a user perspective... we don't call Admin Toolbars "Admin Toolbars JQ" just because it uses JQuery. [16:56] sorry, i don't understand - using admin toolbars doesn't involve writing any code [16:57] the {JQ} plugin is for adding javascript (often making calls to jquery functions) in an easy and legible way [16:57] jonnyb_: yes, but if I understand you correctly, using the JQ plugin doesn't involve writing any JQuery [16:58] JQ is described as "Insert JQuery javascript code." [16:58] how do you mean "writing jQuery"? [16:59] jonnyb_: right. so then why not call it {JAVASCRIPT} ? [16:59] there already was the one called JS [16:59] jonnyb_: it doesn't involve writing any JQuery code [17:00] JQ is especially for javascript that uses jQuery (and by default runs after the jQuery doc.ready event) [17:00] i added is as a new one so as not to break existing {JS} use [17:01] jonnyb_: OK, but surely having to run when the document is loaded isn't specific to jQuery code [17:02] jonnyb_: so would you say the only reason to call it JQ instead of JS2 is because it uses jQuery? [17:02] true, but by default the {JS} code runs as the page loads (before onready) - sometimes this is necessary like in defining functions that are called later in the page) [17:03] yes [17:03] you can tell it not to by using the notonready=true param [17:04] so the JS plugin could be replaced by a JQ plugin alias, but wouldn't be worth the aggravation (in my view) [17:04] jonnyb_: OK [17:05] jonnyb_: so, how about removing the word jQuery from the plugin description then: "Insert JavaScript code"? [17:05] changi|berlin: meh, chibaguy left and I can't see the problem [17:07] chealer: if you think it helps [17:07] New Forum Posts: Task shared for group problem - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=39485 [17:10] jonnyb_: I do think it would reduce confusion after what we said. the current description is "Insert JQuery javascript code. Requires feature_jquery (experimental - may change in future versions) " [17:11] jonnyb_: I would remove everything about jquery, but what about the parenthesis, what is experimental, the plugin? [17:11] of feature_jquery... [17:11] chealer: it's because i solve it directly on the server [17:11] i drop the |escape [17:12] changi|berlin: OK, could you add it back so I can see? [17:13] chealer: no, please don't remove everything about jquery - it is for using (javascript that accesses) jquery [17:13] and what is experimental? [17:15] jonnyb_: the description has "(experimental - may change in future versions)" [17:15] where? [17:15] jonnyb_: what does this qualify as experimental, feature_jquery or JQ? [17:15] jonnyb_: in 6.x [17:15] neither [17:15] since 4.x [17:15] which file? [17:15] jonnyb_: so we get rid of that parenthesis then? [17:16] jonnyb_: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_jq.php [17:16] aha, right - yes, that's very out of date (sorry, forgot it was there) [17:17] the text "Requires feature_jquery (experimental - may change in future versions)" is now redundant [17:18] jonnyb_: OK. so about keeping jQuery, what is the use? If I understand correctly, JQ can be used for any JavaScript, whether is accesses jQuery or not. [17:19] correct [17:19] but that just sounds more complicated to me [17:20] jonnyb_: so what do you think about this description: "Insert JavaScript code that can use jQuery or not."? [17:21] jonnyb_: sorry but more complicated than what? [17:22] "Insert JavaScript code that can use jQuery or not." more complicated than "Insert JQuery javascript code" [17:22] but i don't particularly care :) [17:25] jonnyb_: well, true, but the latter sounds wrong / not enough general if the code can use jQuery or not. [17:26] I mean, if a field is labelled "VB code", I assume you won't enter non-VB code there [17:26] i don't mind if you change the description [17:28] jonnyb_: OK. so back to the filtering issue. you said JQ is based on JS which had a filter, but JS doesn't have a filter now. [17:29] jonnyb_: it's hard to say if JavaScript needs filtering. I guess we only accept approved JavaScript, so we can trust it. [17:30] why are the filters there at all on plugin parameters? [17:31] does this filter cause a problem for you? [17:31] jonnyb_: I guess there are filters by default so if a coder forgets to put one the most grave risks would be prevented. [17:32] jonnyb_: I see lphuberdeau removed the filter on JS after JQ was created: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_js.php?r1=19115&r2=21689 [17:33] jonnyb_: yes, it breaks usage of alert() [17:33] as i said, he knows best [17:33] ay? [17:33] didn't use to [17:37] coo - did 6.0 go out like that? - i see a nasty in the middle of the alert code [17:37] bad - something must have changed elsewhere in the parse [17:38] yes, the filter should have been removed from JQ when it was from JS [17:39] in fact the rawhtml_unsafe filter needs adding to JQ [17:40] jonnyb_: BTW, I suppose we can get rid of the nojquery parameter? [17:41] jonnyb_: yes, that's how I fixed it. strangely I can't seem to reproduce the problem at the moment, must be missing something [17:41] *** Andurino has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:42] should be changed to javascript_enabled != y i guess, but leave the param name as it is (unless you want to tackle migration) [17:43] {JS} should also be changed to use headerlib (while you're there :P ) [17:43] chealer: check your mail [17:46] changi|berlin: OK but could you undo that on info.tiki.org so I can see the problem caused? [17:47] jonnyb_: arg. I really can't reproduce the problem now. [17:47] {JQ()} [17:47] alert("test"); [17:47] {JQ} [17:47] works fine [17:48]