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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r30930 10/branches/6.x/styles/darkroom.css: [FIX] Increase contrast for parameter descriptions in plugin edit window so that they are visible.	[01:19]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r30931 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_youtube.php: [FIX] Minor corrections to plugin info for plugin edit window.	[01:35]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r30933 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_watershed.php: Add options, defaults and minor corrections to plugin info for plugin edit	[01:55]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r30934 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_wantedpages.php: [FIX] Now handles old table syntax pref setting. Tried to make output table syntax more stable. Added options defaults and corrections to plugin info for plugin edit. Changed double quotes to single.	[02:14]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lindonb * r30935 10/branches/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_vimeo.php: Minor improvements to plugin info	[02:46]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Importer bug on redirects? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=20&comments_parentId=39691	[03:56]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r30937 10/branches/6.x/css/jscalendar.css: tikiwiki: [FIX] jscalendar drawn under tracker form in Coelesce, bumping .calendar z-index from 6 to 300 (Closes: #3677) tikiwiki: review welcome	[04:05]
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chibaguy	polom	[10:05]
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chibaguy	I'd like to remove all the "border='0'" properties for img tags in the files (as it is deprecated and covered by img {border: none} anyway).	[10:21]
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chibaguy	...and will make it unnecessary to add {border: value !important} in stylesheets to override the inline property. IIRC, border="0" was weeded out of the files at least once before, but it seems to have creeped back in here and there.	[10:28]
jonnyb	polom chibaguy - yes, sounds good less is, er, less :)	[10:29]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb, I did a quick search and most instances are in phplayers and some in jquery files, but we have some native ones too.	[10:29]
jonnyb	in jquery files? :O	[10:30]
chibaguy	phplayers will soon be gone, so no worries there. yep, I was surprised.	[10:30]
jonnyb	i only added an !important yesterday as one had crept into design.css	[10:30]
chibaguy	yes, that's what got me curious. is it ok if I do the removals in branch 6 in the next day or so?	[10:30]
jonnyb	jonnyb thought that commit message might peak chibaguy's curiosity	[10:31]
chibaguy	:-)	[10:31]
jonnyb	go for it - 6 needs to be as good as it can be	[10:31]
chibaguy	ok. great.	[10:32]
jonnyb	once i move into trunk/7 i fear it won't get much attention (from me, anyway)	[10:32]
chibaguy	any chance staging and approval might be fixed in 6? do you know anything about that?	[10:32]
jonnyb	it's broken and very badly written, i vote for removing it	[10:33]
chibaguy	ah, I see.	[10:33]
jonnyb	it wrecked a tiki once for me (had a backup luckily)	[10:33]
chibaguy	some sites seem to want it, so that's bad news.	[10:33]
jonnyb	Marc, LPH and i discussed it when they were here we reckoned having a system based on page revisions was the way to go but this would only control the page content, not categs, keywords etc	[10:33]
chibaguy	simpler would be better, for sure.	[10:35]
jonnyb	the code's a mess and all over the place pity - good idea...	[10:35]
chibaguy	yep	[10:37]
jonnyb	nkoth apparently has been known to say there's a fairly simple fix for it...	[10:38]
chibaguy	he implemented it for the SUMO site, IIRC	[10:42]
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chibaguy	correction re jquery and border="0": property is for tables and frames, not images. faith restored ;-)	[10:59]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30938 10/branches/6.x/ (16 files in 8 dirs): [FIX] img tag property border="0" removed as it's deprecated, and images have borders off by default anyway (CSS rule).	[11:08]
chibaguy	I'll adjust the img border !important rules in the stylesheets shortly.	[11:09]
	Is there a reason why error messages and so on in the translation strings don't have an ending period?	[11:15]
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jonnyb	chibaguy: that sounds wrong doesn't it - i bet not every language uses dot at the end.	[11:25]
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chibaguy	there was a discussion about punctuation in strings a long time back. I think probably the period should be part of the string. Languages do use different marks in some cases. Currently we have a lot of strings (sentences) displayed that have no end punctuation. almost all	[11:31]
jonnyb	i thought the result of the colon discussion was that they shouldn't be inside the tr string wow, someone just rode past on a horse! (it's snowing here, strange things happen)	[11:32]
chibaguy	I don't recall the details on that one. About the period, where else would it be? Outside the string means imposing a dot for every language or else no punctuation? or? Heh, how far out of town do you live?	[11:33]
jonnyb	about 20 minutes still part of "Greater London"	[11:34]
chibaguy	wow	[11:34]
jonnyb	certainly unusual	[11:34]
chibaguy	that's great	[11:34]
jonnyb	maybe their car wouldn't start...	[11:34]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30939 10/branches/6.x/ (70 files in 50 dirs): [FIX] Mellowed the tone of "Permission denied:" messages (fixed run-on sentences in some cases).	[11:40]
jonnyb	well done chibaguy - mellow is better	[11:41]
chibaguy	I resisted putting "Sorry but,..." ;-) Maybe next round.	[11:43]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30940 10/branches/6.x/ (48 files in 48 dirs): [FIX] Replaced "informations" with "information" and adjusted sentences where necessary, in strings.	[11:48]
chibaguy	Should "You can only use one payment Paypal or Cclite or Tiki User Credits" be "You can only use one payment method: Paypal or Cclite or Tiki User Credits" ? seems like it.	[11:50]
jonnyb	i'd say: "You can use only one payment method: Paypal or Cclite or Tiki User Credits" ;)	[11:52]
chibaguy	yes, I agree.	[11:53]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30941 10/branches/6.x/ (50 files in 48 dirs): [FIX] Various language string improvements.	[12:11]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30942 10/branches/6.x/ (52 files in 48 dirs): [FIX] Various language string improvements.	[12:34]
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ricks99	Q: when using a registration tracker, how can I add some of that information into the userlink popup?	[13:31]
jonnyb	was wondering the same (on a call about that at the moment)	[13:42]
Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3682 - - Extend Userlink Popup to Include items from user registration tracker - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3682	[13:42]
ricks99	ricks99 hopes that jonnyb can work his magic	[13:43]
jonnyb	:)	[13:43]
ricks99	hopefully not too hard	[13:43]
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lphuberdeau	chealer: you know the prepared queries are never required anyway right, so no need for conditions?	[14:10]
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lphuberdeau	chealer: the change breaks the installer too as it fails on non-select queries	[14:15]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30943 10/trunk/lib/core/TikiDb/Pdo.php: [REVERT] r30927 - breaks the installer tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30944 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Notices	[14:20]
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chibaguy	Any opinions on "2 comments so far" displayed for blog comments, etc., rather than just "2 comments"? My question is, what is the point of the "so far"? Wiki page comments (IIRC) don't have the "so far".	[14:33]
jonnyb	chibaguy: agreed, pointless obviously it is "so far" (unless someone's worked out how to include comments from the future) hi lphuberdeau	[14:34]
chibaguy	I checked around and found that Wordpress also uses "so far". But I think it looks pointless there also.	[14:35]
jonnyb	where does it say "so far"?	[14:36]
chibaguy	comments on blog posts. well, it's in comments.tpl, so I guess also other places.	[14:36]
jonnyb	aha... does seem strange to me	[14:37]
chibaguy	I guess it's to sound encouraging or hopeful or something.	[14:38]
jonnyb	someone must have thought it was a good idea (so could use translation)	[14:38]
chibaguy	yes, apparently.	[14:38]
lphuberdeau	hello jonnyb	[14:42]
jonnyb	at the office?	[14:43]
lphuberdeau	certainly	[14:45]
jonnyb	the snow's finally arrived in London - looks nice but chilly (by our standards)	[14:46]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30945 10/trunk/lib/core/Search/ContentSource/ (BlogPostSource.php ForumPostSource.php WikiSource.php): [FIX] Non-matching descriptions	[14:46]
lphuberdeau	had some, but now it's gone	[14:49]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r30946 10/branches/6.x/ (48 files in 48 dirs): [FIX] Changed "comment(s) so far" to just "comment(s)" for blog post comments, etc. as the "so far" states the obvious.	[14:50]
jonnyb	need to venture out to the shops soon (only yellow beer left here...) should be fun!	[14:50]
lphuberdeau	sorry for cleaning out the brown ones	[14:51]
jonnyb	no probs, it's what they're there for	[14:52]
lphuberdeau	lphuberdeau looks at the article filtering options and finds them scary	[15:06]
ricks99	@chibaguy: is "so far" supposed to be used if there are comments submitted, but awaiting moderation?	[15:07]
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ricks99	otherwise, i too don't see the usefulness of "so far"	[15:08]
JoernOtt	hello everybody	[15:08]
ricks99	hi JoernOtt	[15:10]
chibaguy	ricks99, sorry was away. there weren't any conditions on the use of "so far". It just displayed with the number of comments. ...wherever comments.tpl is used.	[15:18]
ricks99	then i agree... 'so far' is not really useful	[15:22]
chibaguy	ok, thanks.	[15:23]
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JoernOtt	Americans must have a strange view of Germany: VMWare player just offered me an automated install of Windows 7, now its done in turkish (without asking anything)	[15:30]
chibaguy	JoernOtt: please don't judge all americans by windows actions. ;-)	[15:31]
JoernOtt	I think its VMWares fault this time the same dvd chose german as default when installing on the real machine :-)	[15:32]
chibaguy	:-) g'night all.	[15:44]
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lphuberdeau	lphuberdeau looks at the article creation form and realizes that the search form wasn't all that bad	[15:46]
ricks99	r u currently redoing article/cms stuff?	[15:47]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30947 10/branches/6.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] css menus: Try and position the menu within the browser window	[15:58]
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Po0dle	Hi Is it possible to backup tikiwiki without backing up the files	[15:58]
ricks99	you need to back up the database too	[15:59]
Po0dle	With backing up the DB but not the files that's what I meant	[15:59]
amette	if you have everything in the database.. sure.	[16:00]
ricks99	if you are storing uploaded images, attachments, etc. in the database, then that's all you need. otherwise you need to back those up, too	[16:00]
amette	actually my question goes into the same direction... ... any way to add a rel-attribute to the Site-Title or Menus without changing templates?	[16:00]
ricks99	as well as your theme files, too. @Po0dle: you might find this helpful: http://twessentials.keycontent.org/What+to+Backup	[16:01]
jonnyb	hi amette - you could use jquery in the custom head code pref	[16:01]
Po0dle	oh ok	[16:01]
jonnyb	amette: what rel do you want? (would everybody like it?)	[16:02]
amette	hi jonnyb - yeah, I thought about such a hack, too - but I need rel="me" for search engines, so JS is no solution I suppose I think everybody would like it, yes ;) http://marshallk.com/add-one-line-to-your-blog-or-twitter-could-become-your-primary-identity I had that rel="me", but in my custom templates... which are gone now after my upgrade and I don't want to have custom any more... ... so I yesterday realized that Twitter really now _is_ my primary identity again (I had that problem already before I added rel="me" for the first time)	[16:02]
jonnyb	soounds like it's only good for personal blogs	[16:03]
amette	adding rel="me" helps astonishingly quickly and I think that the Site-Title is the smartest place to put it hmm.. yeah, I was wondering about that, too - is it only for personal or not? not so sure about that..	[16:04]
jonnyb	you could always just switch off site title and add the link you want in custom header (one of them)	[16:05]
amette	hmmm.. true: "rel="me" is used on hyperlinks from one page about a person to other pages about that same person." - http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-me ok, that's a decent workaround, I have been thinking about, too - I'm going for that one - thanks jonnyb :)	[16:05]
jonnyb	sounds non-trivial to code into tiki for all uses...	[16:06]
lphuberdeau	ricks99: no, not reworking the article stuff, just indexing the content, meaning I actually have to use tiki, which is rare for me	[16:08]
amette	yeah, it doesn't sound too difficult to code, but I wonder if it's worth it?! As there is the custom code?	[16:11]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r30948 10/trunk/ (24 files in 8 dirs): [NEW] First commit of the accounting feature as discussed on WikiFestBln. Status: Alpha, handle with care	[16:11]
JoernOtt	As promised, here it is, the first commit of the accounting feature core functionality is working, now I can continue step by step	[16:12]
lphuberdeau	JoernOtt, is there any kind of feedback you'd like? I'll try to take a look sometimes this week	[16:22]
JoernOtt	that would be nice I am currently writing some stuff on the dev page (database structure, my ideas etc)	[16:26]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30949 10/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Adding content source for articles	[16:26]
lphuberdeau	I'll let you finish that up for sure	[16:26]
JoernOtt	And hopefully by the weekend there will be a documentation of the currently implemented functionality on doc	[16:27]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30950 10/branches/6.x/ (templates/tiki-register.tpl tiki-register.php): [MOD] registration: Don't show "Register as a new user" text if there's a user tracker and it has a description (to allow more customisation).	[16:27]
JoernOtt	I intentionally left out entries in the tiki menu at the moment, because you need some knowledge of typical double-entry accounting software to get started but I definitely need input and I will ask a lot of questions about object permissions	[16:28]
lphuberdeau	just quickly, make sure you update db/tiki.sql for new installations you only added a db patch	[16:31]
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JoernOtt	I did update tiki.sql as well as I did the patch ind installer/schema This is why it took me so long between WikiFestBln and the first commit, I wanted the database stuff to be consistent and up-to-date so I don't have to change too much later on	[16:40]
lphuberdeau	svn up did not show any changes in db/tiki.sql for me	[16:41]
JoernOtt	one sec, checking you're right, I forgot that file	[16:42]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03cdrwhite * r30951 10/trunk/db/tiki.sql: Database structures for accounting	[16:43]
JoernOtt	That happens when you should be in bed instead of working in the office JoernOtt has a baaaad cold	[16:43]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30952 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl: [FIX] useradmin: Let admins see link to user info (and indicate which ones are private using opacity)	[16:50]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r30954 10/branches/6.x/lib/setup/default_homepage.php: [FIX]sefurl: sefurl the wiki page if group home page on an url mysite.com/	[17:29]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30955 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Adding file gallery content source	[17:34]
chealer	polom	[17:40]
jonnyb	polom chealer	[17:40]
chealer	hi jonnyb	[17:43]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30956 10/trunk/ (120 files in 65 dirs): tikiwiki: [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30908 to 30954 tikiwiki: Conflicts fixed manually: tikiwiki: lib/tikihelplib.php tikiwiki: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_youtube.php tikiwiki: templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl tikiwiki: templates/tiki-admin_metrics.tpl	[17:53]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3683 - - Mediawiki Importer uses pageName rather than page in redirects - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3683	[18:13]
yonixxx	Message in the bottle; I'm trying to customize the pagination_links system for a picture gallery system (removing the text/numbers and having two tall arrow on each side of the picture). i have set several CSS class and have tried several half solution (font-size=0px; was the worst ;)) the best idea that come up is to vampirize lib/smarty-tiki/bock.pagination_link.php... There is not a better, tiki way to do this ?	[18:25]
jonnyb	yonixxx: font-size:0 does sound bad - can't you use display:none?	[18:27]
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yonixxx	Hey Jonny, of course it was badddd ! display:none is better, but still... to vaporize the text is the easiest part of this	[18:29]
jonnyb	yonixxx: i guess you've tried all the checkboxes on tiki-admin.php?page=look&cookietab=4 turning off "Use direct pagination links" does it for me	[18:29]
yonixxx	yes i tried to check there, but so far i coulnd't find the way to change the width/height of the icons (next/prev) and to set them on each side of main.	[18:31]
jonnyb	if you're lucky you should be able to put custom images in your style dir (like pics/icons/resultset_next.png) brb	[18:31]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r30957 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Adding freetag global source	[18:33]
yonixxx	i have done this... width/height are fixed somewhere else	[18:33]
jonnyb	e.g. styles/yourstyle/pics/icons/resultset_next.png hmm...	[18:33]
yonixxx	this is where i'm http://i51.tinypic.com/jl48e9.png i need the arrows to be taller and wider and on each side....	[18:34]
jonnyb	try in the css - something like .prevnext img {width:32px;height:32px;} in your custom css?	[18:35]
yonixxx	ok i should have think about that. this is a good one	[18:35]
jonnyb	if that doesn't do it add !important	[18:35]
yonixxx	yes	[18:36]
jonnyb	theres hardly ever a good reason to edit the tpl's (imho)	[18:36]
thraxisp	chealer: Any progress on the css issue with jscalendar? I found another similar issue with css menus.	[18:36]
yonixxx	for the placement you can see i used positionning and transparency i tried margin/padding to move them... didn't work.	[18:37]
chealer	thraxisp: it should be fixed (see the bug report)	[18:37]
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yonixxx	jonnyb: there is a "a class" but the icon itself is very general class="icon", if i could find where to change this class to have an "pagination_icon" it would be perfect.... BUT dam where this code is hidden ?	[18:42]
jonnyb	thought the class was prevnext, no?	[18:43]
yonixxx	for the link itself, the <a class"nextprev" href....	[18:43]
jonnyb	the <a> surrounding it is .prevnext that's why i suggested - .prevnext img {width:32px;height:32px;} i.e. images inside prevnext	[18:43]
yonixxx	but the image is <img class="icon" ah ok...	[18:44]
thraxisp	chealer: Thanks. I'm seeing a similar issue with css menus on IE7/8. The icons and titles behind them show through. There doesn't seems to be any z-index settings though.	[18:45]
yonixxx	jonnyb = 12 points ! :)	[18:46]
jonnyb	yay! glad to help	[18:46]
yonixxx	i will try if that way i can also push the arrow on the sides of main, many thanks Jonny !	[18:47]
chealer	thraxisp: sorry, I'm not at all good with the frontend, even less with IE.	[18:52]
thraxisp	I think it has something to do with transparency. I'll take a stab at it. IE is virtually impossible to debug as I don't know of anything like FireBug for it.	[18:55]
jonnyb	thraxisp: there is a developer toolbar thing for IE from M$	[18:56]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30958 10/branches/6.x/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [ENH] user tracker: Show link to create user tracker item if none is found	[19:00]
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lindon_	setting the timezone in Admin-> General isn't working for me in 6.x	[19:21]
yonixxx	jonnyb: i'm still stuck, look at: http://dtc.shocksite.com/www.orenhanagar.co.il/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=1	[19:21]
lindon_	which flows through to publish dates for blogs, etc	[19:21]
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lindon_	anyone else having this problem?	[19:22]
yonixxx	if there is warning about security don;t worry, it is because it is an alias	[19:22]
jonnyb	hi lindon_ wanted to chat, but off out now catch you later too (about this plugins thing) have had trouble with timezones - usually memory issues	[19:24]
ricks99	@lindon_: have seen similar reports in the forums regarding timezone issues	[19:24]
jonnyb	bbl	[19:25]
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lindon_	ricks99: thanks - will look into to see if I can spot the problem	[19:35]
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chealer	hi lindon_. works for me do you have any PHP error message?	[19:49]
lindon_	let me check	[19:49]
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lindon_	no PHP error messages database is updated appropriately	[19:54]
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lindon_	chealer: if you change the timezones back and forth, do the sample times change appropriately?	[21:16]
chealer	lindon_: yes testing with UTC and America/Montreal lindon_: ah, no PHP error messages :-( good thing you master Xdebug :-)	[21:17]
lindon_	we'll see how much of a master i am ;)	[21:19]
chealer	you wrote the book!	[21:19]
lindon_	don't believe everything you read! :)	[21:20]
chealer	lindon_: but seriously, the timezone preference doesn't change at all or just the times?	[21:20]
lindon_	the preference does change in the database but the sample dates and publish dates for blog, for example, stay UTC	[21:21]
chealer	lindon_: but it also change in the admin panel? s/change/changes/	[21:22]
lindon_	the sample times in the admin panel stay UTC	[21:23]
chealer	lindon_: but does the Timezone preference in the admin panel change?	[21:24]
lindon_	yes, the dropdown shows the new timezone as selected	[21:24]
chealer	lindon_: OK, so it's just not using the default timezone. you must be aware that each user can set its own timezone?	[21:25]
lindon_	yes, but if I set the timezone and select "Use site default to show times", should the sample times reflect my timezone choice?	[21:30]
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Po0dle	hi When I try to move files from database to directory, it says I do not have a directory set But I can't seem to find where I can set this	[21:30]
lindon_	PoOdle: for what feature?	[21:32]
chealer	lindon_: not necessarily I think. I guess this screen is misleading. there are 3 things that can influence the timezone AFAIK, the site default timezone, the timezone user preference and the browser timezone.	[21:32]
Po0dle	Admin File Galleries	[21:33]
chealer	lindon_: this select box preference seems to ignore the timezone user preference. I'm guessing the preference is OK for anonymous but not necessarily for registered users. s/select box/radio buttons/	[21:33]
lindon_	PoOdle: when you select Store in Directory, do you see an input box for Path?	[21:35]
Po0dle	oh I didn't select that yet	[21:37]
lindon_	chealer: okay, let me test that to see what you mean	[21:37]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03minger0 * r30960 10/branches/6.x/tiki-remind_password.php: [FIX] tiki-remind_password link in the e-mail was broken (slashes in the link)	[21:46]
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Po0dle	When people upload files to directory is post_max_file ignored?	[21:59]
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InDx	Anyone available who is familiar with Staging & Approval preferably in Tiki 6?	[22:01]
lindon_	chealer: no matter what I set the timezone to, it always displays UTC when "Use site default to show times" is selected, whether I'm logged in as admin or not is that the way it works for you?	[22:01]
jonnyb	barque InDx: S & A has been broken for a while, sorry (since 4 afaik) polom lindon_	[22:02]
lindon_	polom jonnyb	[22:03]
yonixxx	polom too	[22:03]
lindon_	:)	[22:03]
jonnyb	timezones where? (been out, had beer, lost @ snooker) hi yonixxx - you get your css thing sorted?	[22:03]
lindon_	jonnyb: on general admin panel	[22:04]
yonixxx	jonnyb: no i'm stuck... one thing i correct the other goes wrong. :)	[22:04]
jonnyb	it's a bit tricky as i'm about 5 miles from greenwich :P yonixxx: welcome to CSS!	[22:04]
lindon_	jonnyb: yes, hard for you test I guess chealer is helping	[22:05]
yonixxx	i'm greenwich +2 but again there is no rush. May be tomorrow if you got some time	[22:05]
lindon_	it could be me	[22:05]
jonnyb	lindon_: can change local TZ but it's painful (when i forget to put it back)	[22:06]
lindon_	jonnyb: any issues with plugin sweep?	[22:06]
jonnyb	yonixxx: where's you example? (in priv if you prefer)	[22:06]
yonixxx	http://dtc.shocksite.com/www.orenhanagar.co.il/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=1	[22:06]
jonnyb	sweep - what is sweep?	[22:06]
lindon_	planning to go through to add options to plugin info so that they appear in plugin edit windows you mentioned wanting to chat about it, i thought	[22:07]
yonixxx	jonnyb: btw display:none; didn't help (or i misused it) as it remove the img (the arrow) too.	[22:08]
jonnyb	lindon_: yes, been getting quite a bit of merge conflict pain in plugins, wondering if you can wait until after 6.1? lindon_: (which would mean doing them all twice) lindon_: unless i can show you how to test for conflicts... yonixxx: what are you trying to do exactly? put the arrows underneath the image?	[22:08]
InDx	2nd question: What perm is necessary for someone to view images in the file gallery that are in a wiki page. I have tried more combinations that I can count and my clients group still can't see them. Just get a red X	[22:10]
lindon_	jonnyb: does testing for conflicts involve higher svn trickery, or just stuff i can do in aptana?	[22:10]
yonixxx	i have to put the arrow (and the prev one after you move to the next pictures) on the side of the pictures.	[22:11]
jonnyb	InDx: tiki_p_download_files (strangely)	[22:11]
InDx	msg jonnyb lol thats bizzare thanks lol	[22:11]
jonnyb	(sort of makes sense... :P )	[22:12]
chealer	lindon_: no, it seems to work fine here. do you have this problem on several installs?	[22:12]
jonnyb	yonixxx: you mod'ed the pagination tpl? looks like pagination_positionning is a custom thing, right? (too many n's btw) hi chealer busy here tonight :)	[22:12]
yonixxx	right	[22:13]
chealer	re jonnyb :-)	[22:13]
lindon_	chealer: i think so, let me confirm...	[22:14]
jonnyb	yonixxx: you probably don't need it - you could use "body. tiki_galleries .mini" to get to the existing div	[22:14]
yonixxx	jonnyb: i had a container (relative) and set a second one (absolute)	[22:14]
jonnyb	but anyway...	[22:14]
yonixxx	yes i start to understand that way of doing it (thanks to you), i'll optimize later.	[22:15]
jonnyb	yonixxx: ok, so vertical pos is on, just need the arrows at the edges of the pic? (hmmm, chewy) and cross-browser, i guess?	[22:15]
yonixxx	yes, see : http://i53.tinypic.com/2uhodix.jpg	[22:16]
jonnyb	(silly question)	[22:16]
yonixxx	not that much, for Israel IE is 99%... but nice job is better. ;)	[22:16]
jonnyb	hmmm, depends which IE (as to whether you can use :first as a selector) 8+ is ok i tihnk jonnyb just wishes he could spell think	[22:17]
yonixxx	Mmm conservative about computer... there a lot of XP and win2003 using ie7	[22:18]
jonnyb	yonixxx: what version tiki are you using?	[22:18]
yonixxx	6 from svn	[22:18]
chealer	lindon_: if you really want to test here you can go to http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/6.x/tiki-admin.php with the classic credentials	[22:19]
jonnyb	ok, how about i/we add a new class to each arrow - .next and .prev?	[22:19]
yonixxx	i'd love too	[22:19]
jonnyb	would probably help others too ok, 2 mins...	[22:19]
chealer	lindon_: the problem is on your PC right?	[22:20]
lindon_	chealer: just tested on install on ourwiki.net and had same problem chealer: will look at your test site	[22:21]
chealer	lindon_: hum. surely these installs don't have both PHP 5.1	[22:22]
jonnyb	yonixxx: no wonder you couldn't find it - it's in /lib/smarty_tiki/block.pagination_links.php :)	[22:22]
lindon_	chealer: what are the classic credentials (in private if you'd like)?	[22:23]
chealer	lindon_: admin 12345	[22:23]
jonnyb	jonnyb heartily recommends aptana	[22:23]
lindon_	chealer: no, one is 5.2.9 and the other is 5.3.1	[22:23]
yonixxx	:0 i find it is there, but i don't know what to do inside this code...	[22:23]
jonnyb	yonixxx: fair enough, it's quite hairy	[22:24]
yonixxx	i tried once to set class for prev_arrow and next_arrow but i drop it i couldn't move then apart	[22:24]
jonnyb	on it's way...	[22:24]
yonixxx	:)	[22:24]
jonnyb	float left and right should do it, once you can tell them apart	[22:25]
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lindon_	jonnyb: will commit plugin stuff to trunk	[22:30]
jonnyb	(lindon_ scaredy cat!) :P	[22:31]
lindon_	jonnyb: okay - how do you avoid merge problems?	[22:31]
jonnyb	i can show you how to check for conflicts, just sometimes they can be hard to solve	[22:31]
lindon_	okay, i'm ready	[22:31]
jonnyb	open the file in 6.x (in aptana) and do compare with->branch/tag	[22:32]
chealer	lindon_: what site on ourwiki.net did you try?	[22:32]
jonnyb	them in the dialog that comes up (eventually) replace /branches/6.x/ with /trunk/ in the compare to url that will show you any differences, and remember character case and white spaces count as possible conflicts if you make sure all the whitespace stuff is ok, usually it'll be resolved by svn brb	[22:33]
lindon_	chealer: lindon.ourwiki.net/tiki6x chealer: credentials - login and password are chealer	[22:35]
chealer	lindon_: you seem to have non-classic credentials thanks :-)	[22:37]
jonnyb	lindon_: the other good thing you can do while in the diff view is to merge in any (obvious) good things from trunk into 6.x, like tra()'s on labels that are missing and reformatting etc, into 6.x at the same time (as long as you're careful ;P )	[22:37]
lindon_	jonnyb: ok, will give it a go, thanks!	[22:38]
jonnyb	i'll help out when i can...	[22:38]
lindon_	jonnyb: btw, what's the difference between tra and tr i've seen both used any rule as to which is prefereble?	[22:38]
jonnyb	tra is lighter and only does a single string at a time, tr does arguments processing and clever stuff (i.e. i'm not sure) tra if simple	[22:39]
chealer	lindon_: uh. my site is showing UTC time now	[22:40]
lindon_	i've infected you	[22:40]
chealer	lindon_: did you touch anything other than the site default timezone?	[22:40]
lindon_	chealer: i changed the radio button to Utiliser le fuseau horaire par défaut du site	[22:41]
chealer	lindon_: right, but changing it back doesn't help lindon_: can you confirm it was working before you changed anything?	[22:43]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30961 10/branches/6.x/lib/smarty_tiki/block.pagination_links.php: [ENH] pagination: Add classes to anchors around prev/next buttons: .first, .prev_fast, .prev, .next, .next_fast and .last (thanks yonixxx)	[22:44]
yonixxx	thanks jonny !	[22:45]
chealer	lindon_: OK, bringing it back to the second choice (detect user timezone) fixes it, AFTER reloading the page	[22:45]
jonnyb	yonixxx: ok, please check r30961 - you'll probably have to revert your local changes	[22:45]
yonixxx	on my way	[22:45]
lindon_	chealer: okay	[22:45]
chealer	lindon_: so clearly the option is misleading, but did something change from previous versions?	[22:47]
lindon_	chealer: i think so - let me check chealer: the option doesn't seem to do anything now but set to UTC?	[22:47]
chealer	lindon_: sorry, what do you mean?	[22:49]
lindon_	chealer: what does the Utiliser le fuseau horaire par défaut du site option do currently?	[22:50]
chealer	lindon_: OK I see, indeed why is it taking UTC	[22:51]
lindon_	yes	[22:52]
chealer	lindon_: I don't know. I'll check if it was different in 5.x yeah, it's working in proposals/5.x that must be why we've been seeing a lot about timezones since 6.0	[22:52]
lindon_	yes, it's okay on my 5.0 site	[22:55]
yonixxx	jonnyb : ".prevnext next img" is not a valid class ?	[22:55]
jonnyb	i think you need .mini .next img you need the dot in front of next 'cos it's a class (img is not)	[22:57]
yonixxx	Mmm ok work fine ! i need to understand that "." ... but tomorrow ! 1 oclock here. good"something" to all jonnyb: many thanks	[23:00]
jonnyb	good things to you too - (molop)	[23:03]
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jonnyb	ok lindon_ and chealer - what's all this about timezones? :)	[23:05]
lindon_	jonnyb: the Use site default to show times option doesn't seem to respect the timezone selection	[23:06]
jonnyb	jonnyb sets local time to Jaipur - India this might be a bit beyond me now (it's well after beer o'clock) - how to test?	[23:07]
chealer	http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3662&trackerId=5	[23:13]
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chealer	jonnyb: see http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/6.x/tiki-admin.php?page=general (admin 12345) the timezone used in the examples is UTC, so I see 23h14 instead of 18h15	[23:14]
jonnyb	hmmm, so things like the page modified time should be shown in the site timezone, you mean?	[23:15]
chealer	but nothing is set to UTC jonnyb: either that or admin's timezone preference, but they're both set to GMT -5 and the timezone displayed is UTC the bug report talking about Paris, which would be GMT +1	[23:15]
jonnyb	yes, i think i see, but too hard for me now... maybe "tomorrow"	[23:17]
lindon_	good example is upcoming events time or initial publish date shown for a blog post	[23:17]
chealer	and it says Displayed time zone's value doesn't matter, which is not what we're seeing	[23:18]
jonnyb	too many variables - browser, system, server (various), tiki etc	[23:18]
chealer	jonnyb: yes, that seems very wise :-)	[23:18]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r30962 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 30954 to 30961	[23:19]
jonnyb	lindon_: can you get to the php.ini timezone setting(s)?	[23:19]
chealer	chealer goes back to house cleaning	[23:19]
jonnyb	sorry, lindon_ will try again tomorrow...	[23:20]
lindon_	jonnyb: on my local install? jonnyb: np - get some sleep!	[23:20]
jonnyb	yes, php has it's own timezone - maybe tiki is using that now? check phpinfo ok, nn all	[23:20]
lindon_	yes, mine is UTC which is what shows no matter what i set the timezone for	[23:21]
jonnyb	that will prolly fix it (but it's a bug)	[23:22]
lindon_	thanks, i'll check	[23:22]
jonnyb	bibi	[23:23]
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lindon_	jonnyb: youre right, the php.ini setting determines what the site default option uses	[23:27]
chealer	good finding	[23:34]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3684 - - Importer doesn't handle nested bullets right - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3684	[23:57]

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