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lphuberdeauhttp://twbasics.keycontent.org/Getting+Started [00:01]
inspirehmm.. let me try that. Lists the directories there. Cheers! [00:06]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Calendar global permissions not working? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=39800 [00:36]
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inspireI'm going to have to kill myself. [01:15]
fabriciushey inspire [01:16]
inspireman.. two days.. i can't handle it anymore [01:17]
fabriciusI had massive problems to get a first running installation going on my providers host [01:17]
inspiremy brain is fried. My frustration is exploding
Failed opening required 'db/tiki-db.php' (include_path='/home/fusionx/public_html/inspireeducation/portal1/lib/pear:.:/usr/lib/php:/home/fusionx/public_html/inspireeducation/portal1/lib/core/lib') in /home/fusionx/public_html/inspireeducation/portal1/tiki-setup_base.php on line 45
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fabriciusI did need nearly two weeks and every day I was telefoning with the support guys [01:17]
inspirewhat is that all about?
is there telephone support?!
I am totally happy to pay to get this fixed
my IT guys are all Tiki clueless unfortunately
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fabriciusyes, paid by my organisation - I do not think, that it would be the same provider
in the end the problem was very easy - like:
the on, who can read would be in some kind of advance
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inspiredo you know where I can get paid support? I am losing far more money not getting this revolved. I just don't have anyone to call [01:19]
fabriciusa german saying
some of us are consultants, but if you have a bit of patience, we might help you here
db/tiki-db.php looks like a problem with the database connection
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inspireHi Fabricus. I am trying to approach this from all angles. I can't even do a fresh install without getting those parse errors. My existing database no longer accepts uploads
says this "Upload was not successful: The file you are trying upload was only partially uploaded"
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fabriciusmoment, I´ll try to explain ya some possible reasons [01:21]
inspirethanks fabricus
it only happened when we moved our TIki away to a different server, and then back. Never had probs uploading before
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fabriciusin the end of the day it is a pity, that I didn´t get there, to put a certain documentation together for the instalation workflow for my provider - could possibly help ya
and you do not have an old dump from the old server?
and now you are already moved back and no more access to the new one?
huuu seem to be a bit complicated your situation
if I get it right
where you are located?
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inspireI did have a dump. Tiki is functionally fine. Just can't add new files (hence I was trying to do fresh installs as a workaroudn)
Brisbane Australia
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fabriciusand you are back at your old provider now, with the same settings?
if yes: did you there have made up a new database and put in the old dump from before the moving action?
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inspiredatabase is the same and correctly working. Just this Tiki file upload thing. I would have thought it was server settings, but even if I change to "directory" rather than database file storage I get that same error message [01:30]
fabriciusWhat I do not understand, is why you get this faults now, if you have the old database-dump, the same webspace than before etc.
s.th. must have changed in the meantime -> what? what is different than before?
So did you use the dump from the new (temporary) provider and there some changes have been corrupting s.th. - or what?
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inspiresame. I have no idea other than to get the database back, my provider had to give me 24 hours access of bigger than 50MB file dump.
maybe something else changed when they removed than 24 hour ability?
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fabriciusI cannot check that
but you still have the original dump?
and ssh accessß
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inspireI have one other workaround I am trying. I got Fantasico to install Tiki 5.2. fresh install and when I go to upload there I get this error message "Upload was not successful: A temporary folder is missing." [01:35]
fabriciusI never worked with fantastico [01:35]
inspireToo much has changed (i.e. over 200 new users/setting etc) since original dump [01:35]
fabriciusI have two ways to import a dump: [01:35]
inspireno that's cool. But basically Tiki is working on that install
but uploading there gives "Upload was not successful: A temporary folder is missing" message. Any ideas?
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fabriciuson one server with ssh - I could send you the command [01:36]
inspiresure
please
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fabriciuson the other with a php script, if I remember right (not so often there) [01:36]
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fabriciuswill probably find that the other day
ssh command right now - moment
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fabriciusso, now I have the command and he is gone :-P [01:46]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r31305 10/branches/6.x/lib/prefs/display.php: [DOC]More accurate/clearer description of html menu option. Thanks jonnyb. [02:01]
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fabricius_ui what happened? [03:31]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31306 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki.tpl: [FIX] Wrong column name in filter caused wide right margin when "show column only when modules" and no modules displaying. [05:27]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03luciash * r31307 10/branches/6.x/styles/layout/ (design.css layout.css): [FIX] OpenID Login width of the input field does not overflow behind the right margin edge of the box + little adjustment of the icon and input padding appearance [06:16]
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tikiwiki: 03luciash * r31308 10/branches/6.x/styles/layout/design.css: [FIX] fix for Google Chrome autofill highlight (and other webkit browsers) [06:40]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Share icons in topline - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=39801 [07:36]
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PhilBack'gday [09:25]
chibaguyhi [09:27]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31309 10/branches/6.x/templates/styles/coelesce/tiki-site_header_top.tpl: [FIX] Site header search form was AWOL but now returned. [09:31]
luciashpolom chibaguy
hi PhilBack
is there any free hosted solution for BBB ?
so i could test BBB on my localhost
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chibaguyhi luciash [09:45]
I don't know, luciash, did you check their website? [09:51]
PhilBackhi luxiqh
luciash
question: in trackers, what's the "action" field type?
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luciashchibaguy: yep, can't find it there [10:02]
PhilBackforget it, I now have a clue. [10:03]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31310 10/branches/6.x/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX] Line-height to prevent text overlap on headings that wrap. Padding on right column content to space modules away from page margin and make symmetrical re: left column. [10:04]
luciashchibaguy: i think i will try with VM first (such as VirtualBox) [10:07]
chibaguyok. maybe you can document the process, if you get it working. :-) [10:08]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31311 10/branches/6.x/styles/abse.css: [FIX] Heading line-height and module title contrast. [10:08]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31312 10/branches/6.x/styles/ (8 files): [FIX] Heading line-height improvements, esp. to prevent text overlap on headings that wrap. [11:12]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31313 10/mods/trunk/themes/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [FIX] Heading line-height improvements, esp. to prevent text overlap on headings that wrap. [11:34]
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jonnybpolom all
hi chibaguy - we should discuss this theme generator/roller thing for tiki 7
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rodrigo_sampaiopolom [11:46]
jonnybhi rodrigo_sampaio [11:47]
rodrigo_sampaioanyone knows if it is possible to configure Tiki so that an user automatically lose session after a period of inactivity? [11:47]
jonnybi think you'd do that in the apache config [11:48]
rodrigo_sampaiojonnyb: apache or php? I think it is PHP. There is an option inside Tiki under Admin -> Performance -> Session called "session lifetime"
jonnyb: I expected this option to do exactly what I need but it doesn't seem to work :)
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chibaguyhi jonnyb, yes we should [11:50]
jonnybi think there's also one in apache config [11:50]
rodrigo_sampaiojonnyb: ok, I will check thanks [11:50]
jonnybchibaguy: when would be good for you? (no rush, i have a few other things to get out of the way before i start coding) [11:51]
chibaguyjonnyb: any time would be ok, pretty much.
I've been trying to think about it and see other examples, etc.
[11:52]
jonnybjonnyb reads http://dev.tiki.org/theme+generator again [11:53]
chibaguyI don't know how relevant some of the references there are.
Seems like one approach is extending jquery ui somehow.
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jonnybindeed - big job, to alter _all_ the tpls to use the jq-ui classes, but some of it might be scriptable [11:59]
chibaguyFrom the Tiki files side, I'd like to see about simplifying the css so it isn't such a monster, whether for a majical generator or just manual labor. [11:59]
jonnyb(with some clever regexp'ing)
agreed
almost all the specific classes (like "form" and "normal" and "link" should go (i know you've been removing them for a while)
the main thing to agree, i think, is that old themes (pre 7) will need significant work to adapt, like the 2 -> 3 upgrade
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chibaguyprobably so.
One thing I want to post is the selectors that I find usually need styling to do a new theme.
Maybe some layout defaults don't need to be touched by a theme maker.
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jonnybsorry, don't follow you... but yes, we're only really talking about the "design.css" department
ah, one thing that came up when Marc & lphuberdeau was that we should split design into design and typography - sounded like a good plan
layout will more and more be down to the module placement
which will have a new rinky-dink drag and drop interface (just put them where you want them!)
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chibaguywell, I mean whatever thing is devised to let people configure a theme, probably only a subset of all the selectors needs to be available for that. Is that what you didn't follow, about? [12:14]
luciashrodrigo_sampaio: hi, i thought it is by default when you don't use remember me
rodrigo_sampaio: the user loses session after some of 25 mins of insctivity
*inactivity
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rodrigo_sampaiohi luciash [12:17]
luciashas i understood it takes the session lifetime defined in php or something [12:17]
rodrigo_sampaioluciash: 25 or so minutes of inactivity is the default value (PHP's session.gc_maxlifetime) [12:17]
luciashif you mean to change that period
yes
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rodrigo_sampaioluciash: exactly, that is what I want
change the period
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luciashok, it should work (in theory) [12:18]
rodrigo_sampaioluciash: yes, but I can't make it work, at least on my local machine :) [12:19]
chibaguyjonnyb: I'll make a wiki page about what I've been thinking, preliminary things, etc. in the next day or two. [12:19]
rodrigo_sampaioluciash: I'm checking the code now and I think I might be close to the solution [12:19]
luciashrodrigo_sampaio: even if u change it in php.ini or u mean via tiki ? [12:19]
jonnybchibaguy: super - sorry, got distracted... [12:19]
chibaguynp [12:19]
rodrigo_sampaioluciash: I haven't tried yet changing directly on php.ini I suppose this would work [12:20]
jonnybhi luciash [12:20]
rodrigo_sampaioluciash: I'm checking why it is not working for me via tiki [12:20]
luciashhi jonnyb :)
rodrigo_sampaio: it might be restricted value (by php config)... some values cannot be changed by ini_set()
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rodrigo_sampaioluciash: I'm setting the session lifetime to 1 minute but it just it the session for much longer them 1 minute
luciash: no, it is not. session.gc_maxlifetime is PHP_INI_ALL
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luciashah
hmm
no idea then
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rodrigo_sampaioluciash: thanks anyway :) [12:22]
luciashjonnyb: can we try the article date weirdness again ? [12:22]
jonnybok, yes - good idea, but need to gather together about 6 things i'm failing to do properly now, and then go out for a little while - you about later? (in a couple of hours?) [12:23]
luciashjonnyb: not sure
in the evening, yes
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jonnybso now is best for you? ok... [12:25]
luciasharound 22:00 CET
now is fine for me, yes
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jonnybok, let's do it (what?)
article date still one hour out for you?
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luciashi have an article published on November 30, 2010 at 06:19 CET
when i go and edit that article...
it changes the day to -1 day
as i see while editing the article in the dropdown down there
can you reproduce that jonnyb ?
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jonnybok, checking [12:27]
luciashjonnyb: not one hour, one *day* [12:27]
jonnybok - editing...
nope, date stays the same
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luciashPublish Date, right ? [12:29]
jonnybyup [12:29]
luciashweird [12:29]
jonnybstayed exactly the same - 2010-11-25 15:21 [12:29]
luciashwhat can be different that every edit of article sets tha day one day earlier for me ?
it happens also when i start new article
jonnyb: can you try change your timezone to CET ?
[12:30]
jonnybcan anyone else confirm this? i'm in GMT so no TZ offset at all
for server or browser? (or both?)
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luciashTiki [12:31]
jonnybthis is the question and i always get muddled up when i try this :) [12:31]
luciashfor Tiki [12:31]
jonnyboh yes, and tiki [12:32]
luciashtiki-admin.php?page=general
hmm, i have there Timezone: UTC and Displayed time zone: Detect user timezone (if browser allows). Otherwise use site default.
but why it doesn't change only one hour but *one day* for the article editing ?
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jonnybi set mine to europe/athens but the article date didn't change [12:34]
luciashjonnyb: i will try to change that UTC value to CET in the meanwhile also
for Timezone:
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jonnybhow do you mean? [12:35]
luciashEurope/Prague i mean
how ?
on tiki-admin.php?page=general
4th tab
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PhilBackHi jonnyb
Had a go at trackers once more :-)
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luciashfor me it is still the same... shows December 8 instead of 9 while editing new article
jonnyb: ^
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PhilBackI start getting my head wrapped around them! [12:37]
jonnybsorry luciash - cannot reproduce here... maybe i need to delete sessions etc [12:37]
PhilBackThink I found yet another issue. Solved in my codebase for my purposes but will have to see with silvieg if this can be moved into the codebase. [12:37]
jonnybPhilBack: brave man! :) [12:37]
PhilBackHehe, again some templating logic fun today in ... tracker-item.tpl with field type 'L'
Time for a well deserved lunch now! :D
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luciashjonnyb: now i set the Timezone: to Europe/London and Displayed time zone: to Use site default to show times
jonnyb: lets see if it affects anything
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ricks99hi all :-) [12:39]
jonnybhi ricks99 [12:39]
ricks99hiya jonnyb [12:40]
luciashjonnyb: oh yes, now the date and time shows correctly December 9 2010 at 12:39 (GMT - here it is 13:39) correctly !
jonnyb: so it definitelly messes up the date there in articles edit dropdown somehow
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jonnybhmmm [12:41]
luciashjonnyb: seems some glitch in the tpl maybe [12:41]
jonnybit's a smarty object isn't it?
but they're ok for you elsewhere
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luciashjonnyb: 1) not sure 2) yes [12:42]
jonnybis this all browsers too? [12:43]
luciashthere is {html_select_date prefix="publish_" time=$publishDateSite start_year="-5" end_year="+10" field_order=$prefs.display_field_order}, so yes, smarty
jonnyb: it is Chrome, didn't check other actually, let me try firefox
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jonnybso why/how can it be different there compared to other places [12:44]
luciashjonnyb: no idea, can you point me to other place to check actually ? i haven't seen the dropdown elsewhere lately than in the article edit
jonnyb: i mean wiki pages save with correct date, etc., but there is no date choice of course
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jonnybsearching for you...
calendar item edit?
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luciashok, enabling calendar feature [12:47]
ricks99Hopefully my final tracker question... i have 2 text fields. i want to make it mandatory that users complete one or the other. is this possible? [12:48]
jonnybricks99: with jquery... [12:49]
ricks99ah.... [12:49]
jonnybhave a look at xavi's tracker doc page [12:49]
ricks99ricks99 vaguely remebers seeing something like that in the docs
off to re-read. tx
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luciashjonnyb: switching browsers, launching firefox now, logging in... sorry it takes time [12:51]
jonnybi know
blog post also uses the same date thingy
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31314 10/trunk/ (20 files in 7 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 31284 to 31312 [12:52]
jonnybbasically, it this an articles problem, or tiki, or browser? [12:52]
luciashjonnyb: yea, trying to figure out
jonnyb: might be problem with time=$publishDateSite
if $publishDateSite is generated wrong for the articles edit
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jonnybwell, seems odd that i can't reproduce it, despite messing around with my timezones [12:54]
luciashjonnyb: tiki-calendar_edit_item.php shows correct date and time [12:56]
jonnybok, good - means it's somewhere in edit article [12:57]
luciashdid you chose Timezone: to Europe/Prague and Displayed time zone: to Use site default to show times ? or the other radio button ?
jonnyb: little problem is, the add event for calendar doesn't use dropdown for choosing date, but it shows the date in text input field
luciash enabling Blogs feature
jonnyb: and btw, it is wrong for Firefox in edit article too, so not browser related it seems
jonnyb: oh yes, created blog, trying to add my first post, and the same problem appears, date is December 08 2010 in the dropdown
time is correct
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jonnybaha, ok - so not just articles... [13:02]
luciashso either it is bug in the smarty html date select function or in the php code computing the $publishDateSite [13:02]
sylviegI have the same problem too in action log the html date slect does not work anymore ... I think since the last timezone commits [13:03]
jonnybhi sylvieg - sounds like it's the html date thing then? [13:04]
ricks99@jonnyb: i see how to use jq to make conditional *display* of tracker fields, but how to make conditional *mandatory* fields? [13:04]
sylviegdid somebody change that recently? [13:04]
jonnybi fixed the isTimeZoneValid func a while ago, might be a consequence of that
sorry ricks99 - stack overflow. later pls
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luciashjonnyb: in the php tiki-edit_article.php i see on line 536 and 537 assigning the same variable to two different smarty variables, any idea why ? [13:06]
ricks99lol. np. tx [13:06]
luciashjonnyb: $publishDate is assignde to publishDate and publishDateSite [13:06]
jonnybok, now i get the wrong day displayed (so the 18th shows up as 17th on the dropdown)
have something to debug at last! :)
but first need to go out, should be able to fix later - thanks luciash
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luciashcan it be bug in $tikilib->now ?
ok
thank you jonnyb
jonnyb: great that you reproduce finally ;)
bbl :)
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rodrigo_sampaioluciash: if you have some time, could you please check if gc_maxlifetime works for you as we expect?
luciash: I mean, if you change its value to something low (1 minute or so) you lose session after this period of inactivity
I'm still unable to make it work both changing the preference on tiki or directly on php.ini
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sylviegrodrigo_sampaio: I have one working site
I think I chjanged only php.ini
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r31315 10/branches/6.x/templates/styles/coelesce/tiki-site_header_login.tpl: [KIL] Previous commit wasn't quite right. Coelesce theme can use default tiki-site_header_login.tpl now. [13:35]
rodrigo_sampaiohi sylvieg
sylvieg: you remember if you changed only gc_maxlifetime or if you had to change anything else?
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sylviegphp_value session.cookie_lifetime 1500
php_value session.gc_maxlifetime 1500
are the 2 lines I added in .htaccess
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rodrigo_sampaiothanks I just found session.cookie_lifetime
sylvieg: I was missing this preference
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Tiki|botInfo: A Real Multilingual Wiki Solution - http://info.tiki.org/article130-A-Real-Multilingual-Wiki-Solution [13:42]
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GambaroniAnyone in? [13:46]
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ricks99Hi Gambaroni
oh well :(
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rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: with this configuration the user lose session after 1500 even if he is browsing the site, right? what I'm looking for is a way to make the user lose session only after a period of inactivity [13:52]
sylvieg... I thought it was working like you want - I did not have complain from the customers.... [13:53]
ricks99@sylvieg: tx for your help with my trackeritem question yesterday. new issue... using {TRACKER} plugin how can i make it mandatory for a user to complete field A or field B? only one or the other is required. [13:56]
sylviegthere is no solution I know out of the box
probably as Jonny said jquery can do it - but it is not an easy one to do
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rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: I will check again, but my impression is that if you set session.cookie_lifetime to 1500 after 25 minutes the user will lose session no matter if he is browsing the site or inactive [13:57]
ricks99k. so the "mandatory-ness" would b handled by JQ -- not by using the "is mandatory" option for the tracker field? [13:58]
sylviegrodrigo_sampaio: perhaps ..... [13:58]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: thanks anyway [13:58]
sylviegmandatory is local to a field [13:58]
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idle-Hi what does it mean if PluginSQL says I have no rights?
I am admin the DSN should be working?
the username and password of DSN is tested
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ricks99Does the Tiki group contain permission to execture sql? [14:05]
idle-yes I checked tiki_p_dsn_... [14:08]
ricks99tiki_p_dsn_query [14:09]
idle-there is only tiki_p_dsn_nameofdsn [14:10]
ricks99The group needs tiki_p_dsn_query in order to execute a query on a DSN [14:12]
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napihi
any non robot here?
non bot?
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jonnybbeep [14:33]
ricks99yes, many of us are non-bots [14:33]
napii'm looking for tikipedia themes for tiki 6.x
anyone got?
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ricks99have you reviewed the themes site? [14:34]
napiyeah, they only got until tiki3, probably buggy in tiki5 [14:34]
idle-grml, I did a INSERT INTO `users_permissions` (`permName`, `permDesc`, `level`, `type`, `admin`, `feature_check`) VALUES('tiki_p_dsn_query', 'Can execute arbitrary queries on a given DSN', 'admin', 'dsn', NULL, NULL) now. And checked it for the group
seems that it was missing, but doesn't work anyway
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ricks99@napi: might not be ported for tiki 6 yet then. you can post to the themes support forum or use the theme mailing list
@idle-: what is your tiki version?
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idle-ricks99: 5.3 [14:36]
napi@ricks99, thanks
do you know any other themes that appear as mediawiki?
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ricks99ah. 01tiki_p_dsn_query is in tiki 6
Is it a Tiki error or a MySQL error being returned?
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idle-nothing. [14:38]
ricks99hm.. i take that back. i have tiki_p_dsn_query in my tiki 5 installation
no error is returned?
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idle-no errors.
just "Sie haben keine Berechtigung, diese Funktion zu nutzen" on the wikipage as text which is german and means "no permissions"
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ricks99is tiki returning that? or mysql? is your dsn configuration using the correct db username? does that db user have the necessary mysql perms?
did u clear tiki cache after assigning the dsn_query permission?
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idle-yes. but just some error. this is an old tiki 3.1
not 5.3
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ricks99oh... if usingTiki 3, you should upgrade to Tiki 3.8. *many* fixes [14:42]
idle-I checked the dbuser with mysql on the local machine doing the query [14:43]
ricks99possible a bug in Tiki 3.1
and fixed in laterupdate
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idle-I think dsn-syntax should be ok,too? "mysql://test123:test456@localhost/Server_Inventar"
it's not a server in the internet ;)
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ricks99your dsn syntax looks correct.
note that the newer DB Report plugin is much better then the SQL plugin, allows you many more reporting/formatting options
not sure if it is available in 3.1
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idle-what does $$variable mean in php...? [14:56]
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PhilBackhi ricks99 sylvieg and others. [15:01]
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dcedilotteidle-, technically, it means nothing as far as I know. So if it's in an echo, you'll basicly see a $ sign in front of the value held in the $variable. [15:09]
jonnybidle-: if $variable equals "foo" then $$variable is actually $foo
if it's a global then it could also be written $GLOBALS[$variable]
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dcedilottejonnyb, are you sure, it's not documented in the docs at the PHP website. [15:21]
jonnybyes, i seem to remember trying to look it up ages ago and not finding much on is, but it does work... [15:22]
dcedilottejonnyb, cool. I didn't know. Thanks. [15:23]
jonnybthere's an example in function.html_select_date.php in fact, that i'm debugging at the moment [15:23]
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luciashw00t jonnyb ! thank you :) [15:32]
jonnybhope it works for you
the code seemed quite, um, strange so i hope this doesn't break it anywhere else
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luciashgoing to grocery store, i will try later, but if it works for you after you reproduced, it must fix it for me also :)
hopefully ;)
c u later
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PhilBackmmmh strange code. Sounds familiar. [15:34]
jonnyb:) [15:35]
PhilBackI am in wikiplugin_rackerlist.php now (again). Interesting...
debugger time...
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RobertPlummerPolom devels! [15:47]
jonnybhi RobertPlummer [15:47]
RobertPlummerok, jonnyb, lets talk syntax highlighting! [15:47]
jonnybwill lphuberdeau's comment that we'd use the same thing for highlighting code in the {CODE} plugin as for editing work with codemirror? [15:48]
RobertPlummerI imagine anything with a textarea. [15:49]
jonnybif so i think that's a good place to start, and really needed
well that's the point - no textarea
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RobertPlummerI took a look at a few projects, and honestly I'd love to integrate mozilla skywritter, but I think it is a bit much for us.
Hav you seen it?
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jonnybno [15:49]
RobertPlummergroundbreaking.
https://mozillalabs.com/skywriter/
Imagine visual studio for textarea jonnyb.
Auto complete and all.
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jonnybcoo [15:50]
RobertPlummerImagine that power in tiki! [15:50]
jonnybis there a demo? (i'm looking) [15:50]
RobertPlummerThe worlds first auto complete tiki engine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1kWkTUos7A
I haven't gotten that far.
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jonnybi almost had tiki doing autocomplete in tiki 4 (i think)
if you typed "((" it would automatically bring up the dropdown of wiki page names...
just couldn't get it working cleanly in firefox - so ended up doing those dialog tools
shame
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RobertPlummerI think the tiki parser should be dropped and you should create a tiki language.
Easy enough to say at least ;)
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jonnybnice - even seems to work mostly in safari
it's on the list
actually i think the plan is to have a parser
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RobertPlummeruse jison + php lime and you will open up a world of possibilities. [15:55]
jonnybnot the tangle of nested if statements we currently have
you should discuss it with LP when he's around
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RobertPlummerjonnyb, I tried to break it in javascript, I tried and tired, and if the syntax is good, nested or not, it works GREAT! [15:55]
jonnybhe's been thinking about it for several years and has plans [15:55]
RobertPlummerWho? [15:55]
jonnyblphuberdeau [15:56]
RobertPlummerAh yes. [15:56]
jonnybLouis Philippe [15:56]
RobertPlummerYou must see this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRmC49JTx8M&feature=related
jonnyb, back to the editor, the problem about skywriter is that it is full screen.
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jonnybonly for html 5 pages? [15:58]
RobertPlummerAnd I think it must be included in reverse, it runs on the browser rather than the website. [15:58]
PhilBackwow RobertPlummer, that's cool. [15:58]
jonnybexactly - we sort of wouldn't need to "include" it in the usual way [15:59]
RobertPlummerSo is it a good idea or no? [16:02]
jonnybyay! you can get the pixel width of a text string! (been waiting since the 90's for that!) [16:02]
RobertPlummerThose who would use it, could, those who don't won't even know it exists. [16:02]
jonnyb(in html 5)
as you say, might be a bit much for tiki
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jonnybhmm, the collaboration bit is amazing
hi chealer - check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRmC49JTx8M&feature=related
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RobertPlummerYea, which brings me back to http://codemirror.net/
When I saw the capabilities with auto complete, I knew that the web is about to change agian.
That is just amazing!
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rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: if you are interested in the session issue check http://oswaldatwork.thetaoofamp.com/2009/11/php-session-gc_maxlifetime-vs-session-cookie_lifetime/ [16:07]
jonnybsorry, still in bespin [16:07]
RobertPlummerThat is what I'm talking about. [16:07]
jonnyb:) [16:07]
RobertPlummerbespin is amazing [16:07]
jonnybit's not full page only [16:07]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: setting session.cookie_lifetime ends the section after a period independent of user activity [16:07]
RobertPlummerReally? [16:07]
jonnybthe demo on https://bespin.mozillalabs.com/bookmarklet/ is just on a small textarea [16:07]
sylviegthanks rodrigo [16:07]
RobertPlummerThey say it is very easily extendable. [16:07]
sylviegand did you find out the right setting [16:08]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: yes, three settings are involved session.gc_maxlifetime, session.gc_probability and session.gc_divisor [16:08]
jonnybhey! i've got it working in http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-editpage.php?page=HomePage :) [16:09]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: setting only session.gc_maxlifetime does not guarantee that the session will end, the session file is marked as garbage after a period of time according session.gc_maxlifetime [16:09]
jonnybnow we just need a tiki "parser" [16:10]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: but them is up to the garbage collector to remove the session file and than the session will end [16:10]
RobertPlummerjonnyb, trying bespin on tiki [16:10]
sylviegrodrigo_sampaio: ok make sense - thanks [16:10]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: both session.gc_probability and session.gc_divisor affects how often the garbage collector will run [16:10]
jonnybneeds to be trunk i think [16:10]
PhilBackThe left part with dashboard in Bespin opens new ways to collaborate. [16:11]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: it took me some time to figure out due to a "bug" on ubuntu/debian, the distribution that I use. this distro use a cron as garbage collector and the PHP builtin garbage collector does not work by default [16:12]
RobertPlummerA problem I see with it right off the bat is that is seems to support 1 at a time language editing. [16:12]
jonnybjonnyb also has a quick look at the session thing [16:12]
RobertPlummerTiki is confusing. [16:12]
rodrigo_sampaiosylvieg: just in case you use ubuntu or debian as well [16:12]
RobertPlummerMulti languages [16:12]
PhilBackWhy confusing? [16:13]
sylviegrodrigo_sampaio: perhaps it can be documented just after http://doc.tiki.org/Login+Config#Remember_Me [16:13]
jonnybRobertPlummer: xavi was suggesting (what ever highlighter/editor we use) that making a tiki markup colouriser could start off quite simply - say, just doing plugins and their params, and simple formatting like bold etc would help a bit
hmm, it doesn't like my fullscreen function much! :P
i don't seem to be getting any autocomplete though
ok, time to look at http://codemirror.net/ (need to get on)
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RobertPlummercodemirror is more-so what I think we are looking for, it is just plain cool. [16:19]
jonnybi think i understand it a bit better too
it's not html 5 only (is it?) so could be backported to 6.x (which would be nice)
also bespin/skythingy seems a bit alpha
maybe that's for a later implementation
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jonnybare we sure the codemirror license is really ok for us? - it doesn't mention LGPL or MIT etc (seems to be written in English, i didn't think that was allowed) [16:23]
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jonnybhttp://codemirror.net/LICENSE [16:23]
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mlpvolthello tiki [16:24]
jonnybhi mlpvolt [16:25]
PhilBackhi mlpvoly
olt
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mlpvoltlph: i was using the file gallery handler for tiki 5 and the filegals created had the parentID = -1 - this is the default behavior but is incorrect i think (since 4)
hiyall
general question - what app do you use for irc (would be nice to be able to scroll back to see the history before i showed up)
HI Phil how is trackerland?
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jonnybmine doesn't do that (a Mac thing) - but you can see what you missed on http://irc.tiki.org [16:29]
PhilBackokay. I am debugging something in trackerlib->listitems...
PhpED: a godsend. I couldn't imagine doing this in Vim...
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jonnybRobertPlummer: can you see a way codemirror could work on a div or <p> [16:29]
RobertPlummerjonnyb - to edit them? [16:30]
jonnybno, to display them [16:30]
RobertPlummerjonnyb - You need a parser! [16:31]
jonnybthe code plugin renders them as <pre> blocks
yes
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RobertPlummerYou are trying to use something is a way it was never intended. [16:31]
jonnybmost sites now show code with syntax highlighting
we should to
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RobertPlummerCode edit highlighting and displaying are 2 different things I think. [16:32]
jonnybbut it seems silly to have one load of parser/highlighter code for textareas, and another for <pre> blocks [16:32]
mlpvoltMikes attention focuses on the handy link to irc.tiki.org in that header window - yep that is sufficient. [16:32]
RobertPlummerI agree, [16:32]
jonnybbut the colourising surely is the same [16:32]
RobertPlummerYou have a good point jonnyb. [16:32]
jonnybpreviously we were looking at http://alexgorbatchev.com/SyntaxHighlighter/
but isn't for editing
so surely someone's spotted that the same tokenising/parsing/colourising could be used for both editing and displaying
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jonnybanyway, i have to get back to other stuff, so to conclude - bespin is lovely but maybe ok for tiki 9, codemirror would be great if we can work out how to get it to do <pre> blocks as well as <textareas> (should be easier i would have thought) [16:35]
PhilBackto understand the documentation... read and debug the code. Simple as that. #mantra [16:36]
jonnybthat used to be the only option in tiki :) [16:37]
PhilBackh� h�. [16:39]
.... (idle for 18mn)
categorized trackeritems... how fun. [16:57]
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chealerpolom
hi jonnyb and all
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jonnybhi chealer [17:11]
PhilBack> rah, putting the trackerlist(wiki=>xxx, filterfield=>99..) wiki parm elsewhere than at the end includes a comma in the pretty template name and fucks up the display. (No template, hence nothing shown). [17:13]
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PhilBackNot bad results (well, look is awful, not finished): http://tiki.socius.be/tiki-index.php?page=Praktijken
This list is filtered on the trackeritems category (published) and each item uses a pretty tracker filtered also on the published status.
http://tiki.socius.be/tiki-index.php?page=Verhalentafel
Still category transitions to finish up with the transitions and I am DONE!
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PhilBackThis site will get us a neat sample of what Tiki 6 can do.
Then I'll be able to show off at next FOSDEM :-)
Is there currently an event registration feature ?
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PhilBackIt would work like having a "register" button next to the even name if enabled and would put the registration data into a configured tracker.
Did anyone did this? I saw the calendar trackerlist but this would something else.
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chealerjonnyb: I watched the video a bit. you're thinking about Bespin as a replacement for the classical wiki textarea? [17:32]
jonnybchealer: RobertPlummer said to check it out - i tihnk we both agree it's too new and a bit over the top for tiki 7, but one day... [17:34]
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chealerjonnyb: OK. i wonder how long it would take to write a wiki syntax highlighter [17:44]
jonnybindeed
but i think a simple one could be done quite easily (plugins, heading, bold etc)
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lphuberdeaudepends on how accurate your want it to be, parsing plugins isn't that simple ;) [17:52]
PhilBackYikes: category transitions UI beta... [17:52]
lphuberdeauif you want it to highlight stuff that looks like a plugin, that's easy enough [17:52]
PhilBackWith all of these heavy scripts, we'll have to put some "simplified" UI to maintain/publish content on the go...
(read mobile)
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jonnybhi lphuberdeau - yes, exactly, it only need to find them really - for version 0.1
what's the state of plugin syntax in trunk now? is there a definitive list of what is valid?
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lphuberdeaulook at the unit tests, it's executable documentation [17:57]
jonnyb:)
i noticed PhilBack quoted some very ancient plugin syntax earlier - tiki 2 vintage i think
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PhilBackyou mean => ? [18:00]
jonnybindeed
and no quotes round the values (i think was your problem there)
try using the plugin help to insert your plugins, that uses the "modern" syntax
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PhilBackI did
but ok, there were other stuff there. Also, some stuff didn't worked with = and did with => (can't remember which)
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jonnybreally? you're using 6.x aren't you? [18:02]
PhilBack6.x
yes
really
vim and profiles: cool yml highlighting...
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jonnybhmm, i get: {TRACKERLIST(trackerId="1",fields="1:2:3")}{TRACKERLIST} [18:04]
PhilBackI know, plugin writing works
what gave me some issues what plugin execution
nevermind
why did the syntax change?
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PhilBackcategory transitions. Wanna know how they work? Check the code :-) [18:06]
lphuberdeauthat works, or you can install the demo profile which showcases the features and populates bits of the UI so it makes some sense (some, only)
I also added some bits to the doc, feel free to improve ;) http://doc.tiki.org/Category+Transitions
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PhilBackthing is: I add transitions but they vanish from the UI.
I am now looking at transitionlib
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lphuberdeaudisable ajax
some bug was reported and that solved it
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PhilBackI want to control category changes within a field of a tracker item. Would it work?
can't
ajax used in that site.
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lphuberdeauyou need to disable it at least while you use that UI [18:13]
PhilBackok, ok. [18:13]
lphuberdeauthe ajax feature just breaks it [18:13]
PhilBackI think I'll do a yaml file for now. [18:13]
lphuberdeauthat works too
although there are fancy graphics in the UI to represent the workflow
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PhilBackbut the main problem I face is how to use it for controlling changes in a tracker item edit. does i works? [18:14]
lphuberdeauyou need the category transition module, but yes, it works on tracker items
works on anything categorized
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PhilBackyes but I want to use that on an input field. So that transitions cannot happen if guards are failing. [18:15]
lphuberdeauon an input field? [18:16]
PhilBackyes [18:16]
lphuberdeauI don't understand, what do you mean? [18:16]
PhilBacklike you can say: from this state to this other: must obey the category transitions. The field is of type category and I give the parent category.
so a trakcer item can be in various states along several angles at once. One angle is publicaiton flow, the other would be another angle.
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lphuberdeaujust making it clear... even if trackers have category fields, the categories still apply to the entire item [18:17]
PhilBackunderstood, that's why I haven't categorized the items per se. [18:18]
lphuberdeausure, transitions are quite open-ended
you can have multiple workflows simultaneously affecting the item
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PhilBackAn I do want to use transitionlib to have people seeing only what they can change. [18:18]
lphuberdeauand guards can link em together [18:18]
PhilBackhow can I define those damn guards BTW?
I saw user functions in the lib but it doesn't tells me much
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lphuberdeauthrough a profile? look at the example [18:19]
PhilBackcall_user_func_array(...) [18:19]
lphuberdeauhttp://profiles.tiki.org/Category_Transition_Demonstration [18:20]
PhilBackwhere does 'exactly' comes from ?
this is the only sample
guards:
- [ exactly, 2, [ $approved_by_dev, $approved_by_qa ] ]
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lphuberdeauthe UI kind of guides through that [18:21]
PhilBacknope, it fails (well, ajax... ok) [18:21]
lphuberdeaulib/test/core/Transition/BasicTest.php [18:22]
PhilBackgood
thx
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lphuberdeauthat's the tests for the internal libraries... transitionlib is just the bit loading and saving to the db [18:23]
PhilBackmmh
now all of my transitions have gone... weird
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lphuberdeaureally, disable ajax... enabling that one by default was a criminal act [18:25]
ricks99is there *any* way to use wysiwyg in tiki 6 without ajax? when i try, i get a prompt that i must install a profile (that in turn turns on ajax) [18:26]
lphuberdeauI don't know
I just know the ajax feature messing up all the links, preventing normal browser navigation like back/forward, opening new tabs, bookmarking - is a piece of trash
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PhilBackoh, guards are only for previous states... there isn't logic in there. exactly, at most, at least. Well I'll have to find another way to achieve what I want then. [18:27]
lphuberdeauwell, not only previous states, current state, but with categories not in the transition
what is the condition you're trying to meet?
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PhilBackyeah. Okay, but this is not going to help with my goal. Thanks for the explanations.
I'd like to chat about that but I've got a deadline here, so I'll custom code that and be done with it.
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lphuberdeauin many cases you can introduce an other category that is managed by some external process, like "Expired" or stuff like that [18:30]
PhilBackAlso, the module doesn't always shows in the sidebar. Don't know why. Maybe custom layouts in that site (I am not the only one working on it) [18:30]
lphuberdeauthe module only shows when it detects an object with categories
you can modify the template if you're not happy with that ;)
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PhilBackah, okay
will look at it.
the module template you mean
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lphuberdeauyeah [18:31]
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PhilBacklook, I have the tracker and I do have one category field. But... doesnt see the module anyway [18:34]
lphuberdeautrackers were a bit special, but I believe sylvie made it work [18:35]
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lphuberdeauis that category the start of a transition? [18:36]
PhilBackCould it be that using a pretty tracker makes the module not showing? [18:36]
lphuberdeauI have absolutely no idea [18:37]
PhilBackAt the same time it shows with 'silly' content on other categorized objects
oookaay... Back to code reading and debugger stepping...
but lunch first :-) Thanks lph.
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PhilBack|afkAhah, the module contains jquery code... Ajax back... [18:39]
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changijonnyb: polom [20:46]
jonnybhi changi [20:50]
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jonnybhappy birthday! :) [20:50]
changijonnyb: thank you
jonnyb: happy birthday to your sister :)
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jonnybthanks [20:51]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31324 10/branches/6.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 6.1beta2 [20:52]
changimy commit n° 31322, was just a quick fix [20:56]
jonnyblook ok to me [20:57]
changii was a little bit pissed of to see user in that drop down that were already in the group [20:58]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31325 10/branches/6.x/lang/ (47 files in 47 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 6.1beta2
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31326 10/branches/6.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 6.1beta2
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changiwill do another to remove the drop down when all user are in the group. [20:59]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31327 10/branches/6.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 6.1beta2 [21:02]
jonnybit's better to use {braces} around if and for statements, i think (think it's in the Zend spec too) - makes it easier to read, especially when indentation gets messed up [21:02]
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CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31328 10/branches/6.x/db/tiki-secdb_6.1_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 6.1beta2
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31329 10/tags/6.1beta2/: [REL] Tagging release
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changijonnyb: usually i do that , but beta2 was knocking at the door :)
will do that when the package will be on sf.net
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jonnybin trunk, right?
no more commits to 6.x
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changijonnyb: as you wish :) [21:09]
jonnybwe'll need to set up proposals/6.x and do all that quality team stuff [21:10]
changiok, after RC ? or 6.1 ? [21:10]
jonnybyes, sorry, after the official release
still time for a few tweaks before RC
jonnyb is keen to get it over
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changilol [21:14]
Tiki|botRecent Bug: Tracker item: #3705 - - tikidate problem - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3705 [21:20]
changisftp upload soon finished [21:32]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31330 10/branches/6.x/templates/tiki-admingroups.tpl: [FIX] Check if there is user that are not in the group, if not don't show the empty drop down
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31331 10/branches/6.x/tiki-admingroups.php: [FIX] Use brackets please :)
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changisftp over :) [21:36]
jonnybwell done changi - i'll go for the gz when it's ready [21:38]
changigz is ok for me [21:40]
jonnybseems fine - nice one :)
looking at this xajax stuff has made me feel quite feeble - i'm going to take a break
oh, and thanks for the brackets too
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changijonnyb: you're welcome [21:44]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31332 10/trunk/doc/unstable.version: [REL] New version [21:55]
changijonnyb: do you use a specific script to merge from branche/6.x to trunk ?
or just svn merge command
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jonnybit's a script
check out dev.t.o/svntips
just doing one now of the release changes
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PhilBackStill fighting with category transitions. Question: I put a sample tracker into a given "status" category, which has 3 subcategs, and I've designed transitions between them [22:09]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31333 10/trunk/ (55 files in 51 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/6.x 31319 to 31331 [22:09]
PhilBackBut the module refuses to show in the right column, no matter what. The tracker is categorized and there is a category field in the tracker. Should there be a special name in that tracker field definitions? [22:10]
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changijonnyb: about marc's email, it's a :: problem ? [22:24]
jonnybchecking [22:26]
changijonnyb: replacing :: with -> works for me [22:28]
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yuchienhi guys
i believe i have version 4.3
should i update?
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PhilBackbetter be
6.x
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yuchienif so, which version should i update to? [22:29]
PhilBack6.x [22:29]
jonnybhmm, the :: seems ok here, must be a php 5.3 thing [22:29]
changijonnyb: no dev.to is on 5.2 [22:29]
yuchienhow do i do that? without having to redo everything that i have spent time doing , for example, the admin rights? [22:29]
jonnybindeed - i have 5.3 only these days
yes, please commit it and i'll recheck
thanks
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changino problem [22:30]
jonnybhi yuchien [22:30]
yuchienhi jonny!!!
i have sent out more email to other consultants..
but now, i would like to know how to update my tiki version easily and quickly?
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jonnybcool - i'm just finding the doc page about updating
easiest way is using svn - do you know anything about that?
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yuchienno i dont..
do not
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jonnybok, you use ftp? [22:32]
yuchienyes i do [22:32]
jonnybhere's lots of documentation - http://doc.tiki.org/Upgrade [22:32]
CIA-79tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r31334 10/branches/6.x/tiki-index_raw.php: [FIX] :: is working on 5.3 but not on 5.2 [22:33]
PhilBackGezz, now busy wih tiki_objects and categorized objects tables. I'm digging more into the beast than I would like. [22:33]
yuchienso i should update to? 5.3? [22:33]
jonnybgo for 6.1 - it'll be released in a few days [22:33]
yuchienok, but i should do a fresh install? [22:34]
jonnybwe just released beta 2 (i say we... :P ) [22:34]
yuchienso does that mean i would have to re assign all the admin rights and so on? [22:34]
changichangi we we you are the master
:)
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jonnybyes, http://doc.tiki.org/Upgrade#Fresh_install
no, you use a copy of the old database and the installer will update it for you
you don't have any customised stuff do you? (like template files)
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yuchieni c..no i don't, i just use a template from the site [22:36]
jonnybthat doc page lists all the stuff you might have to copy over by hand [22:36]
yuchienwhats svn? [22:36]
jonnyba version control system, for coders mainly but handy if you know how for lots of stuff [22:37]
yuchienguess not..
how many more days is 6.1 out?
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jonnybnext monday i think is the plan [22:38]
yuchienk. thanks a bunch! [22:38]
jonnybnp [22:39]
changijonnyb: i read your email about menu position with drag and drop
jonnyb: do you want to use jquery for that ?
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jonnybyup - jquery-ui has a thing for it [22:40]
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jonnybchangi: that fix is fine on my php 5.3 - thanks [22:45]
changijonnyb: ok, cool [22:50]
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changineed more drink, see ya [22:50]
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jonnybi'm off too - bibi [22:55]
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PhilBack@lphuberdeau: Category transitions not only fail in admin when ajax is on, but also in normal mode as it seems. Ok AJAX off from now on... [23:24]
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thraxispIs there a reason that {TRACKERLIST} reorders columns? [23:57]

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