#tikiwiki 2010-12-15,Wed

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Tiki\|bot	Info: Tiki Releases 6.1 Update - http://info.tiki.org/article132-Tiki-Releases-6-1-Update	[00:54]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r31415 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_listpages.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] categId parameter description and separator (from merge error in r31162) tikiwiki: [ENH] categId parameter description	[02:55]
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dcedilotte	marclaporte, what metro station is the closest to the CGCOM office?	[05:06]
marclaporte	Place D'Armes then, walk South	[05:07]
dcedilotte	Cool. I hope I get there on time.	[05:08]
marclaporte	me too getting late	[05:17]
dcedilotte	I know but I just came back from Kendo practice so I'm unwinding before going to bed. If I'm late, I'll blame the train and the metro. :)	[05:17]
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dcedilotte_away	good night all.	[05:20]
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Bsfez	Ah la Place d'Armes...souvenir :)	[05:54]
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luciash	goddamnit! someone broke the wiki page description to browser title display again! :( this really sucks when 6.1 is out :( unusable for me, need to go back to 6.0 until fixed unfortunately just noticed the browser title shows raw page names instead of descriptions today morning... too late	[07:11]
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fabricius	polom	[07:37]
luciash	hi fabricius	[07:49]
coaboa	good morning tikiverse	[07:49]
fabricius	good morning luciash and coaboa I am dmned tired just installed a tiki 6.1 with a 5.3 dump updated with the installaer cannot login anymore (parallel copy of installation, so no hussle - but makes me angry and eats time) btw - pages switched from utf8 to latin without a reson db was definetely uft8 before installing from a utf8 db dump straaaange	[07:53]
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fabricius	ooops utf8 now magic but still cannot login i make a restart and get a cap of sleep seas guys	[07:57]
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Bsfez	Luciash : hi this is not good... I have updated yesterday to 6.1rc1 and "page description to browser title display" is ok. When did you update ?	[08:02]
luciash	Bsfez: r u sure ?	[08:06]
Bsfez	i love that question ususaly i feel stupid after... let me check ! :D	[08:07]
luciash	Bsfez: it breaks for me with r30832 of bredcrumblib	[08:07]
Bsfez	Luciash : we are talking about "Use individual page description for Wiki pages instead" option in the admin -> metatag ?	[08:09]
luciash	the browser title with r30822 of lib/breadcrumblib.php is still OK, but breaks with r30832	[08:10]
Bsfez	Luciash : i have also check the option in the admin -> general "Browser title display mode:" set to Description and it is ok too (http://www.shocksite.com)	[08:12]
luciash	we are talking about Admin → General → General Preferences → Site Identity → Browser title display mode: Description when Admin → Wiki → Description is used	[08:12]
Bsfez	ok i have just checked it, it is ok too. how do i check my revision number	[08:13]
luciash	Bsfez: but i have breadcrumbs off, as i don't want to use them (display them) Bsfez: it was working without before, but not anymore	[08:13]
Bsfez	Ah Ah.. ok. as i ahev activated this i got a message:	[08:14]
luciash	Bsfez: i suppose you have breadcrumbs feature on, right ?	[08:14]
Bsfez	Preference site title breadcrumb set (Preference name: site_title_breadcrumb)	[08:14]
luciash	Bsfez: that is why it still works for you	[08:14]
Bsfez	Mmm could be i don;t recall activating it... here this is and what it is for ?	[08:15]
luciash	it is showing the Location: blah blah >> blah blah >> page name bar	[08:15]
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Bsfez	Mmm i see, but even if set ON, i don't use that... and it is not displayed on any of my pages.	[08:17]
luciash	maybe u have customized tpls	[08:19]
Bsfez	(after triple check, breadcrumb is set on but i have no breadcrumb displayed.) not that i know, i use wiki, articles only there but... i didn't customize the templates for that.... Must be the "hidden option" of the day :)))	[08:19]
luciash	maybe :)	[08:20]
	heh, another regression it seems, i have enabled the Breadcrumbs on Admin → Look and Feel second tab, but i see no breadcrumbs location bar either	[08:26]
Bsfez	i'm checking... strange	[08:27]
luciash	you have "Site location bar: Top of page" set too ?	[08:29]
Bsfez	Luciash : i got it (may be); admin -> look&feel -> General layout option ->Breadcrumbs : uncheck the prefix thing and set the 3 dropdown to "none"	[08:29]
luciash	under Breadcrumbs	[08:29]
Bsfez	try it i'm curious now ! :D	[08:30]
luciash	nope, doesn't show up this feature is all messy	[08:31]
Bsfez	so it is good (the breadcumb is not displayed) for you now ?	[08:32]
luciash	well, "good", yes, it is not displayed, but it is not definitely correct behavior :-p	[08:32]
Bsfez	lol it is perfect, don't touch anything ! :D :D :D :D	[08:33]
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Bsfez	Aoutch... a kind of bad news. On one of my TW6 the design is broken on IE6. Is there an easy way to emulate ie6 from the web, a tool that help to check compatibility... something that can help ?	[09:48]
	http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer IE netrenderer allow you to check how a website is rendered by Internet Explorer (5.5 to 8) ! great	[09:53]
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lozarythmic	hello all. is it possible to import say a word document and have it embedded in a page rather than a link to the file gallery it's in? i'm using the LTS version	[10:44]
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	the webdav project hasnt been updated since 2006 and everyone elses similar questions on the site forum go unanswered	[11:06]
sylvieg	in trunk som recent jobs have been done on webdav - but sorry I do not know this part	[11:08]
lozarythmic	ok i'll have a look in the trunk. thanks :)	[11:09]
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luciash	lozarythmic: for having doc embedded in page your browser needs to support to open word documents in browser viewport (via browser plugin)... then you can embed it using iframe or html wikiplugin, or open in pop-up box using colorbox hi jonnyb_	[11:36]
jonnyb_	hi luciash jonnyb_ hates it when he gets an underscore at the end - it's a bad omen	[11:37]
luciash	:) if u got registered nick u can reclaim your nick iirc somehow	[11:41]
jonnyb_	i did register it :(	[11:44]
SEWilco2	You sometimes lose the nick if your client loses the connection and reconnects, as the server thinks the original might still be connected. After your original connection times out you can reconnect with your nick.	[11:48]
jonnyb_	hmm, seems to happen some mornings when first logging in i'll try leaving & coming back... brb	[11:49]
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luciash	SEWilco2: /whois jonnyb says it all	[11:53]
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ricks99	hi all :-)	[12:04]
luciash	hi ricks99 ricks99: u work for oracle now ? ;)	[12:06]
ricks99	y. the big "O"	[12:08]
luciash	wOw :)	[12:09]
ricks99	:-)	[12:09]
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lozarythmic	luciash: thanks i'll look into that	[12:31]
ricks99	anyone been working on a sso for tiki w twitter or facebook api? is something like this "in the pipeline"?	[12:38]
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jonnyb_	hey lphuberdeau - you at the office yet? no worries - am fixing... (http://dev.tiki.org/wish3634)	[12:42]
lphuberdeau	omw	[12:56]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31416 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/ (wikiplugin_param.php wikiplugin_urlparam.php): [MOD] Renamed wiki plugin URLPARAM into PARAM	[12:56]
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luciash	jonnyb_: try /msg NickServ help ghost	[13:09]
jonnyb_	hi luciash thanks, but trying to fix your descriptions thing, but trunk was broken... so losing the day, i can live with an extra underscore for now :P	[13:10]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31417 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ADD] Autoapprove right on wiki plugins	[13:12]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31418 10/trunk/lib/tree/categ_browse_tree.php: [FIX] cat tree: typo	[13:13]
ricks99	into.t.o down ? :(	[13:14]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31419 10/trunk/ (lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_redirect.php tiki-index.php): [FIX] Redirect plugin doesn't redirect in preview mode or just after saving page	[13:16]
luciash	jonnyb_: thanks for looking into it, sorry for the upset tone and trouble	[13:17]
jonnyb_	no worries - if i can fix it it'll be in trunk	[13:18]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31420 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [MOD] In category listing, the id is displayed if items don't have displayed fields	[13:18]
luciash	jonnyb_: /whois jonnyb tells you who stole your nick ;)	[13:19]
jonnyb_	jonnyb_ tried it jonnyb_ meant: tries it hmm, someone in Ireland, thanks luciash :) lphuberdeau: does r 31417 look right to you? (looks to easy)	[13:20]
lphuberdeau	reverting as we speak	[13:24]
jonnyb_	:P	[13:24]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31421 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [ADD] Permission on file suppression	[13:24]
jonnyb_	we need to clear out that calendar reminder stuff too - with the absolute links to files in the developer's filesystem etc	[13:24]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r31422 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [REVERT] r31417 The commit implies anyone with auto-approve right approves tikiwiki: plugin by visiting the page, regardless of them introducing them or not. This tikiwiki: removes all possible protection. Might as well introduce a preference that tikiwiki: disables the security altogether. tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31423 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] categ trees: Use CatBrowseTreeMaker in generate_cat_tree(), as once i'd fixed CatPickerTreeMaker the code was identical. tikiwiki: Therefore [KIL] categ_picker_tree.php and categ_admin_tree.php which was completely unused anyway. tikiwiki: (Finishes off r30170 and cures wish3634) tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31424 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerif.php: [FIX] TRACKERIF plugin can now manage null values and simple quotes in test expressions tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31425 10/trunk/templates/tracker_item_field_input.tpl: [MOD] Textarea fields in trackers are always resizable	[13:26]
luciash	ah, false hope	[13:30]
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ricks99	another tracker question from rick.... i have a tracker with 8 checkbox fields. i want to use a {TRACKERFILTER) but instead o having 8 separate selection fields, i want a single multi-select field. is this possible?	[13:38]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31426 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [ADD] Tracker templates can be used in edit mode	[13:39]
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ricks99	i don't see anything on http://doc.tiki.org/plugintrackerfilter about 'combining' fields for filters :(	[13:41]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31427 10/branches/experimental/xajax_removal/ (118 files in 70 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 31371 to 31425	[13:45]
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Tiki\|bot	Info: Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware 6.1 - http://info.tiki.org/article133-Tiki-Wiki-CMS-Groupware-6-1 New Forum Posts: 6.1 update? Why does 6.0 say it is the latest version then? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=39855	[13:54]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31428 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] browsertitle: Restore use of description as title if site_title_breadcrumb eq "desc" - thanks Luci	[13:55]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31429 10/trunk/ (12 files in 8 dirs): [ADD] File galleries can be created / edited from a template, which define parameters in YAML format	[14:01]
	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31430 10/branches/experimental/coe_fgal_relook2/ (123 files in 70 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 31371 to 31428 tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31431 10/branches/experimental/xajax_removal/ (20 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 31425 to 31429 tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31432 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ADD] LDAP synchronisation script for all users and their groups	[14:09]
ricks99	no tracker help for combining multiple checkboxes wih trackerfilter? ^^^	[14:15]
lphuberdeau	jonnyb_, that commit on plugin security actually caused anyone with tiki_p_admin to auto-approve all plugins as they walk the site when you think about it	[14:17]
jonnyb_	true as you said in the mail it's equivalent to turning the feature off for admins	[14:17]
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Trebly	<sylvieg> Hi, Something appends in my account it seems that I can't receive or send messages. After London were I met Marc, Jonny, LP, Mars have set up my password to commit. after I have been ill and I had a very reduced activity. I think to have wrtote to Marc but as I have no answer may be I had not received my message (we program a phone on 3th Dec, delayed-> big blue button). See later... ...some URGENT Action as my answer to Marc about organization of a tikifest in Paris (dates must be fixed)...some commit on 6.x trunk (but I would wish a prior agreement to be more efficient they are mainly little bugs and little enhancements on tpl). There too other things in "projects" particularly project management which needs that I could redact a wiki structure (quite ready)... <sylvieg> sorry lot of miswriting -> Hi, Something appends in my account it seems that I can't receive or send messages anymore. After London were I met Marc, Jonny, LP, Marc have set up my password to commit. After I have been ill three weeks and I had a very reduced activity. I think to have wrote to Marc (3 messages) but as I have not received any answer, may be he had not received my... ...messages (we program a phone on 3th Dec, delayed-> big blue button). See later... ...some URGENT Action as my answer to Marc about organization of a tikifest in Paris (dates must be fixed)...some commit on 6.x trunk (but I would wish a prior agreement to be more efficient they are mainly little bugs and little enhancements on tpl). There too other things in "projects" particularly project management which needs that I could redact a wiki structure (quite ready)...	[14:34]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03killianebel * r31433 10/trunk/lib/wiki/histlib.php: [FIX] Use of Tikilib for date manipulation, instead of calling PHP functions directly	[14:39]
jonnyb_	hi Trebly - sorry to hear you've been unwell, hope you're feeling better now	[14:41]
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Trebly	<jonnyb_> Thank's. It's better but only between 50 and 70% of normal capacity : lack of sleep not yet got back	[14:43]
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chealer	polom chealer is in TikiFestSEO at CGCOM	[14:47]
jonnyb_	hi chealer and all at cgcom	[14:48]
lphuberdeau	lphuberdeau is happy not to hear about SEO today	[14:48]
chealer	hi jonnyb_ and all	[14:48]
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chealer	Sug4r: polom	[15:00]
Sug4r	polom :)	[15:00]
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chealer	info, dev seem to be struggling	[15:02]
ricks99	y. i'm having lots of issues with info and dev, too	[15:09]
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jonnyb_	hey marclaporte - i'm just about to merge in the xajax_removal changes - are we ready for this? (removing xajax and phplayersmenu)	[15:23]
marclaporte	sure! as ready as we'll ever be!	[15:25]
jonnyb_	ok, coming in two separate commits	[15:25]
marclaporte	https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=39855	[15:25]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31434 10/trunk/ (64 files in 13 dirs): (log message trimmed) tikiwiki: [bp/r31354 & 31355] From xajax_removal branch. tikiwiki: [KIL] xajax removal: First pass of removing Xajax. tikiwiki: 3rd party library link disconnected and support files removed. tikiwiki: "loadComponent" functionality removed. tikiwiki: Remaining dependant features' (gmap, webmail, shoutbox) ajax operation disabled and marked with AJAX_TODO comments. tikiwiki: [KIL] xajax removal: Part 2 - feature_wiki_save_draft	[15:31]
changi\|away	marclaporte: websites are down because of info.tiki.org damned tracker	[15:32]
marclaporte	what is the problem? Trafic? bots	[15:33]
ricks99	i was trying to work with the consultant tracker on info.t.o. did i bring it down? its a small tracker.... ricks99 finally getting around to pretty-tracker-fying the tiki constulatns list	[15:33]
marclaporte	http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/doc/stable.version is still at 6.0	[15:38]
chealer	/topic should be updated too	[15:38]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r31435 10/trunk/doc/stable.version: stable.version: Add version 6.1 tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31436 10/trunk/ (27 files in 13 dirs): tikiwiki: [bp/r31360, 61, 62 & 31373] phplayers removal from xajax_removal branch. tikiwiki: [KIL] phplayers - seems to operate as previously when feature_phplayers off (TODO: upgrade script for the pref and provide a cleaner tree UI) tikiwiki: [KIL] phplayers - prefs upgrade script (turn on feature_cssmenus if feature_phplayers was on)	[15:43]
jonnyb_	ok, xajax and phplayers gone - trunk might be a bit "sore" for a while so watch out for anything really bad (and let me know)	[15:48]
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PhilBack	hi gang. I am working out an event management thing with event registrations. Is there new support in 6.x on that front? Looked around and saw the subscription tracker field but not really what I need	[15:50]
Trebly	<marclaporte>Hi, sorry for the length, too many point waiting : 1- Something appends in my account it seems that I can't receive or send messages anymore. 2- You have set up my password to commit, I feel I lost it (it was in my mind). 3- After London I have been ill three weeks and I had a very reduced activity, now 50 to 70%. 4- I think I have wrote to you 3 messages but as I have not received any answer, probably you have not received it 5- We had programmed a phone on 3th Dec, delayed-> big blue button-> not till operational for me, no server with 6.x -> solution 6- Some URGENT Action TikiFest PARIS dates must be fixed... See General planning proposal 7- Some commit on 6.x trunk (but I would wish a prior agreement to be more efficient they are mainly little bugs and little enhancements on tpl). 8- There too other things in "projects" particularly project management which needs that I could redact a wiki structure (quite ready, cf mail to geoff)...	[15:51]
marclaporte	hi Trebly!	[15:56]
Trebly	<marclaporte> I must go away one hour, my IRC remains on point 9- Many problems with calendars modules, a startegy to solved this for 6.x LTS must be found in my opinion (the bug and mis-functions can't be let at this stage into an LTS)	[15:58]
marclaporte	In TikiFest today http://tiki.org/TikiFestSEO2010	[15:58]
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ricks99	@chealer: what am i doing w/ info.t.o tracker that causes tiki to choke?	[15:59]
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chealer	ricks99: no idea, sorry, I don't know trackers much and I'm participating in the TikiFest	[16:03]
ricks99	k. later, can u look through the logs... i don't see how such a small tracker can bring down the site? maybe something else going on?	[16:04]
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ddub711	category perms work by default and don't need to be turned on, right?	[16:16]
marclaporte	ddub711: right	[16:17]
ddub711	I set my tiki up so globally, registered users can only view categories and for one group, that they can do whatever with their category but when I log in with a user belonging to that group they can't admin that category am I doing something wrong?	[16:18]
marclaporte	which version?	[16:20]
ddub711	6	[16:20]
marclaporte	what perm given?	[16:20]
lphuberdeau	what do you mean by "admin that category"?	[16:20]
ddub711	the "admin category" button does not display when viewing the category where it does if I'm logged in as admin	[16:22]
lphuberdeau	category administration remains an admin privilege at this time I believe	[16:23]
ddub711	oh, okay. so does that mean tiki_p_add_object, tiki_p_remove_object, and tiki_p_create_category can be set for other groups per-category? and only tiki_p_admin_categories can't be set?	[16:25]
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lphuberdeau	add and remove object work for sure I think the create category part is still work in progress, you can work your way around it using data channels, but it's a bit more complicated distributing control away from admin interfaces is always a work in progress	[16:26]
ddub711	okay, thanks, I think that clears up all confusion on my end (aside from the "data channels" you speak of)	[16:34]
lphuberdeau	http://profiles.tiki.org/Data%20Channels	[16:38]
Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3716 - - Unable to downgrade from 7.x head to 6.x head - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3716	[16:42]
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chealer	dcedilotte: http://tiki.org/Glossary	[16:53]
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CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31437 10/branches/experimental/xajax_removal/ (6 files in 6 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 31429 to 31436	[17:08]
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marclaporte	tiki-secdb_6.0_mysql.sql has not been deleted. Should it be deleted in proposals? or 6.x?	[17:14]
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marclaporte	http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+release#Delete_secdb_files_from_previous_versions	[17:24]
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Trebly	<marclaporte> Would be OK for a TikiFest in PARIS 4,5,6 of April, see my project on Calendar main ?	[18:16]
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lphuberdeau	changi\|away: dev db seems to go off quite a bit at this time nah, just down now	[18:31]
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Trebly	<marclaporte>I will detail each one of my eight questions, during the next hours, so with your answers, I will have a roadmap ...	[18:34]
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Trebly	<marclaporte> db seems overloaded, if we repeat we get pages	[18:36]
CIA-79	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31438 10/branches/proposals/6.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [bp/r31428][FIX] browsertitle: Restore use of description as title if site_title_breadcrumb eq "desc" - thanks Luci	[18:40]
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ricks99	just me, or are t.o sites down?	[19:15]
lphuberdeau	I have been struggling with dev for a bit now	[19:16]
ricks99	info too	[19:17]
lphuberdeau	I never use info	[19:17]
ricks99	and doc and themes	[19:17]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Popup Menus hard to get at! - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=14&comments_parentId=39857	[19:17]
lphuberdeau	either there is an issue with the release or we're under attack, I don't think all those sites are on the same server	[19:18]
ricks99	info is the #1 site (in terms of hits) community site seems ok. which sites are hosted where?	[19:18]
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jonnyb_	ricks99: dev/doc/irc/themes are all in the same place	[19:24]
marclaporte	info is with dev	[19:24]
ricks99	and they're the ones that are down	[19:24]
marclaporte	but community is elsewhere	[19:24]
ricks99	since info, doc are #1, 2 in terms of traffic, maybe they should be separate?	[19:26]
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ricks99	info and doc together have 6x the traffic of community	[19:31]
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ricks99	internet.com magazine names Tiki as a #opensource replacement for Confluence and SamePage http://bit.ly/gIMtoX	[19:43]
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lphuberdeau	hmmm... I always wonder how much traffic those sites actually bring	[19:45]
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ricks99	info=~35K/month, doc=~31K, community=~15K, dev=~7K	[19:47]
lphuberdeau	well, how much of a boost sites like internet.com give	[19:48]
ricks99	in terms of visits info gets ~75K/month page views	[19:48]
lphuberdeau	that article had like a hundred links and really not that much useful information, so how many people read and click is a mystery to me	[19:49]
ricks99	i can tell u exactly.... 82 referrals anyone have eta on t.o sites coming back?	[19:50]
chealer	I reported the problem to #tikinoc... where changi\|away is :-S	[19:56]
ricks99	Tx. I can never remember that channel	[19:59]
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PhilBack\|afk	I've added some more, tweeted about it as well :-)	[21:30]
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