#tikiwiki 2011-01-15,Sat

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luciash2	FADE plugin opens but doesn't close back upon next click ?	[00:02]
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garethmcc	well off to bed all nn	[00:31]
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dabright	Other than it just hasn't been implemented yet, is there any reason that file gallery descriptions couldn't or shouldn't be made wiki-parsable?	[01:36]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Customizing email notifications - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=40109	[01:38]
luciash2	dabright, i think they could (i see no reason)	[01:44]
CIA-37	tikiwiki: 03ricks99 * r31918 10/branches/proposals/6.x/templates/tiki-edit_blog.tpl: [FIX] fixed the skinny 1st column issue on the General tab. Still needs work, should remove all tables and use div layouts from admin panels instead.	[01:48]
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garethmcc	greetings chiba	[08:07]
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chibaguy	rr, sorry, wasn't paying attention.	[08:35]
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garethmcc	wonder if someone could answer me a quick layout question in tiki files? what is the tab indent size? pfft nvm silly question so used to working with space indents >.<	[10:11]
chibaguy	hi garethmcc, http://dev.tiki.org/DevTips might be helpful; I'm not sure if indent is mentioned.	[10:15]
garethmcc	hey chiba i read that but it isnt except for saying that tiki uses tab indetns not spaces threfore size of indent is unimportant .. a tab is a tab whether my IDE makes it 1, 2, 4 or 8 only I see that size of indent is php4 support important to tiki?	[10:15]
chibaguy	No, afaik it isn't. I think php 5 is a requirement. http://doc.tiki.org/Requirements#PHP	[10:19]
garethmcc	eventually found it after going release notes hehe	[10:23]
chibaguy	:-) Is there something in particular you're interested in coding in Tiki?	[10:24]
garethmcc	kind of just looking around ... was contemplating adding value by just improvements overall and not specifically a feature for example I noticed that class files seem to still use the PHP4 style of object method definition with no public, private or protected settings hence my question about php version requirement :)	[10:27]
chibaguy	I see. I'm not that familiar with PHP but imagine there's definitely room for improvement. Did you get svn commit access yet?	[10:30]
garethmcc	not yet I just pulled latest trunk anonymously time to grab some lunch :)	[10:33]
chibaguy	OK.	[10:35]
garethmcc	so what is your "role" in tiki then chiba?	[10:36]
chibaguy	Mostly I work on themes (visual skins, etc.) and usability. I've been around long enough to bubble up to project admin. So I can do the induction ceremony whenever you're ready (takes about 30 sec.)	[10:37]
garethmcc	give me a minute just nuking up some leftover chicken :)	[10:38]
chibaguy	sure	[10:38]
garethmcc	well all set ... garethmcc is slightly intrigued	[10:41]
chibaguy	Actually it's very simple, but it's kinda neat to think of it as a ceremony rather than just a cold admin process. The ceremony has three steps. Step One is already done (you are registered at sourceforge). chibaguy belatedly pulls on the ceremonial robe and hat.	[10:42]
garethmcc	suits you :P	[10:45]
chibaguy	Step Two: have you read and do you agree to abide by Tiki's 3 Rules (http://dev.tiki.org/3rules) :-)	[10:45]
garethmcc	Yup, those are the rules all my coding lives by	[10:46]
chibaguy	OK, then, on to Step Three: your sourceforge username is garethmcc?	[10:46]
garethmcc	yes it is	[10:47]
chibaguy	chibaguy opens the dusty tome that is Tiki's sourceforge admin pages... chibaguy enters the name of garethmcc. OK, you're in. :-) chibaguy pops open the bubbly and pours.	[10:48]
garethmcc	garethmcc bows to the applause of the audience Thank you very much :)	[10:49]
chibaguy	sometimes there is actually an audience. You're welcome.	[10:50]
garethmcc	i guess its too early on a saturday morning for the US crowd hehe	[10:50]
chibaguy	yep. where are you located?	[10:50]
garethmcc	south africa	[10:50]
chibaguy	oh, new territory. I'm in Chiba, Japan.	[10:50]
garethmcc	must be getting into late afternoon for you now	[10:51]
chibaguy	ah, it's about 8 in the evening.	[10:51]
garethmcc	not that many europena folks involved with tiki?	[10:51]
chibaguy	actually quite a few. active contributors in France, Spain, Germany, Czech Republic that I recall offhand.	[10:52]
garethmcc	bet I'm the first African :P	[10:57]
chibaguy	Yep, as far as I know. chibaguy ponders an African TikiFest...	[11:01]
garethmcc	sounds like a good idea .. I'm sure there are tiki users over here and for foreigners south africa is dirt cheap to visit	[11:02]
chibaguy	:-)	[11:06]
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marclaporte	polom hi garethmcc welcome to the community :-)	[13:53]
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marclaporte	garethmcc : are you in the USA? http://tiki.org/TikiFestBoston7	[14:47]
chibaguy	marclaporte: garathmcc is in south africa.	[14:53]
jonnyb	polom-end	[14:54]
garethmcc	hi marc	[14:54]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy & marclaporte - did good things yesterday on the modules	[14:54]
garethmcc	sorry had to drop everything and go taxi the fiance around a bit	[14:54]
chibaguy	was that a polom closing tag?	[14:54]
jonnyb	polom-end for the week-end really not </polom> :)	[14:55]
chibaguy	I know that feeling, garethmcc - been married 25 years and still taxiing. ;-) jonnyb, nice. I'll have a look again.	[14:55]
jonnyb	i also made a page on dev.t.o - https://dev.tiki.org/Modules+Revamp ah, i see you spotted it! :)	[14:59]
chibaguy	yep, made a very minor contribution. ;-) it's good to keep up the documentation on this. It'll be a pretty radical change, for sure, and the more info the better.	[15:01]
jonnyb	that's what i was thinking i'll need to do a mail to the devels list before merging back and it should probably also be sent more widely via the forums etc i need to do the bottom bar migration script, and the sitemycode to user modules then i think it's ready do you have a list (or know) which prefs contain smarty code and so could be made into a UM?	[15:09]
marclaporte	will menus be a module? It doesn't add much value to put a menu in a module to use	[15:13]
jonnyb	it's already a module in the exp branch	[15:14]
marclaporte	if there was a menu module, it could have the menu params (vertical, horizontal, etc.) awesome	[15:14]
jonnyb	exacto was a 20 minute job! :) amazing we didn't have one before...	[15:14]
marclaporte	One thing I will use in module revamp is switch language module, which I like having at the top	[15:14]
jonnyb	indeed - that works during coding last night i had an error in my code and managed to wipe out all my modules... only took a few minutes to put them all back! :) and it's actually quite fun now! btw marclaporte - demo.t.o seemed unhappy last night - any ideas?	[15:15]
marclaporte	yeah! it's not happy with trunk that server has MySQL4	[15:16]
chibaguy	For ease of upgrading, if there is a tiki-top module, it can be given the css properties that #tiki-top has now, and it would be trivial to change #tiki-top to .tiki-top in css files.	[15:17]
jonnyb	yes, did that last night chibaguy - added menu_id and menu_class to the menu module works fine with the top menu	[15:17]
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jonnyb	bleh marclaporte - should we upgrade it? (min spec for 7 is mysql 5 surely?)	[15:18]
chibaguy	I'm thinking about how to target the menu for theme design purposes. If the old name (tiki-top) is used, there is continuity.	[15:18]
jonnyb	i don't think it should be an id - you might want the same thing at the bottom for instance	[15:19]
chibaguy	I don't know how it would work to try to make themes' site header areas if there is no consistency about menu-area names, etc.	[15:19]
jonnyb	but for legacy purposes it's now possible	[15:19]
chibaguy	right, I think it should be a class - one difference re: tiki 6. so change #tiki-top to .tiki-top in stylesheets.	[15:19]
jonnyb	each module does have a fixed class (box-module_name)	[15:20]
marclaporte	It's a production server with many customers, so I am not in a mood for an upgrade (no time to deal with issues)	[15:20]
jonnyb	and the containers are still the same (#header, #left_modules etc)	[15:20]
chibaguy	could there be a tiki-top module by default, activated as the last module in the top modules area?	[15:21]
jonnyb	there is on fresh install, and upgrades, yes	[15:21]
chibaguy	(well, strictly speaking, it doesn't have to be named tiki-top, except for legacy reasons)	[15:21]
jonnyb	jonnyb remembers he didn't actually add that to tiki.sql	[15:21]
chibaguy	sounds good. I think the 6>7 upgrades should be pretty smooth, re themes.	[15:22]
jonnyb	it'll be the heavily customised ones that will feel the pain	[15:23]
chibaguy	Right. Maybe some creative thinking about how to do with modules what was done it tpls, I imagine. it > in I have a few themes that will be good edge cases.	[15:24]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: When images fail to appear - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=40113	[15:27]
chibaguy	About the CSS (overall), I think it will be good to have reset rules (if not a reset.css), and also maybe consider a grid system for consistent widths.	[15:28]
garethmcc	you thinking blueprint?	[15:28]
chibaguy	Not necessarily. I want to evaluate different ones.	[15:29]
jonnyb	as long as we can keep fluid layouts too, sounds ok to me	[15:29]
garethmcc	we have been using blueprint at work and its very good theres a fixed width version and a liquid one	[15:29]
chibaguy	Yes, it's one that's often mentioned.	[15:29]
jonnyb	(if someone has the spare days to convert everything - i don't)	[15:30]
garethmcc	never been a though to use an mvc framework for tiki? just curious	[15:30]
jonnyb	we need to be realistic as to what can be really delivered for Tiki 7 - changing layout might be one straw too many	[15:30]
garethmcc	true	[15:31]
jonnyb	hi garethmcc - been reading your mails to devels	[15:31]
chibaguy	Funny, I just came across the term mvc yesterday (not a tech guy by trade). jonnyb, right. this (grid system) is rather preliminary kind of thinking.	[15:31]
garethmcc	essentially mvc just seperates business logic from design and the Controller layer ties the two together	[15:31]
jonnyb	i had similar thought for my first few years with tiki - that kind of "rewriting the whole thing properly" stuff fades away after a while :P	[15:32]
garethmcc	it doesn't have to happen overnight hehe .. the best way to do it is just to start one file at a time	[15:32]
jonnyb	what works better here is gradual migration - so if we can bit by bit start to do that... excatly	[15:32]
garethmcc	converting the tiki codebase to an mvc framework is a MASSIVE undertaking	[15:32]
jonnyb	have you used the Zend framework?	[15:33]
garethmcc	im a symfony guy mostly	[15:33]
jonnyb	looks like best for us (as it's already in there)	[15:33]
garethmcc	well .. Zend framework has always struck me as a bunch of modules to perform functions that you can bolt on	[15:33]
jonnyb	aha, only just heard about symfony recently (NY 'fest)	[15:33]
garethmcc	frameworks like symfony though is a complete redesign of the entire app which is why it would be a massive undertaking	[15:34]
jonnyb	they do have an MCV thingy too afaik	[15:34]
garethmcc	the problem is that converting to mvc is huge, especially with an existing codebase this large	[15:34]
chibaguy	what would the benefits be?	[15:35]
garethmcc	like chibaguy said, best to do it incrementally .. hell .. tiki can create its own mvcish structure eventually instead of trying to convert everything in one go mvc makes it soooooo much easier to maintain	[15:35]
jonnyb	exactly - and 50% of my time for instance is spent just bolting buts of tiki back on that have fallen off!	[15:35]
garethmcc	ironically the projects that are the most difficult to convert to mvc are the ones that benefit the most, the really big ones but of course all this talk of mvc and so on goes against what i read about abstraction on the dev wiki lol chibaguy, the other benefit as well is that developing new things is faster you can pretty much bolt a new feature in, and its pretty much standalone, without breaking or affecting other parts	[15:36]
jonnyb	trackers might be a good example for this...	[15:37]
garethmcc	mmmmm interesting idea just came to mind	[15:38]
jonnyb	we plan to completely pull them apart and rebuild them in Boston in March (show no fear!)	[15:38]
chibaguy	Is it possible to mvc-ize just one feature, like trackers, intitially?	[15:38]
jonnyb	trackers is the most horrid hairy bit of tiki i think	[15:38]
garethmcc	each "part" of tiki converted to mvc instead of the entire app into one monolithic mvc project garethmcc keeps flinging stuff at the wall... hehe well .. if we see tiki as a collection of individual apps just tied together into a global layout then yes you can chibaguy	[15:39]
chibaguy	it isn't looked at that way, normally	[15:41]
garethmcc	btw .. correct me if my assumptions are wrong, only had a couple hours to browse through the code so not a tiki expert by any means lol	[15:41]
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chibaguy	I guess looking at trackers as a separate app would just be a contrived thing in order to implement mvc, if that's possible. I think, conceptually, the interrelatedness of the features is what people value about Tiki.	[15:45]
garethmcc	And I am not saying that I aren't interrelated They would all be sharing the same database and configs etc Right now though I think the best course is to start one file at a time abstracting function for each "page" into seperate classes, then refactoring common functionality into parent classes that can be shared across all the "page" classes what we would probably find eventually is we incrementally create our own MVC structure	[15:47]
chibaguy	Would this be related to what Carsten wrote about on the dev list, about finding the commonality in the wiki, blog, article pages, etc.? Sounds like something that should happen at the same time.	[15:53]
garethmcc	ok ... well .. tiki is rather large we could spend all the time and effort just investigating what is common with this and that this other part of tiki and never actually get anything done but if we just start at a base level abstracting functions into new classes for each "page"	[15:54]
jonnyb	+1 for a common interface to wiki/html text (in pages, articles, blogs, calendars, trackers etc)	[15:55]
garethmcc	well then we can directly compare using those classes what is common and so build the common class that they can all inherit from	[15:55]
jonnyb	probably what tiki needs most imho (structurally)	[15:55]
garethmcc	is there a lot of love for smarty in tiki?	[15:58]
jonnyb	not from me (my fave site was nosmarty.net for a while, but it's gone now)	[15:58]
garethmcc	I ask because I have not used smarty much	[15:59]
jonnyb	most of the problems in tiki stem from when people were writing complex logic and computation into the templates	[15:59]
garethmcc	will be quite the learning curve for me yes and thats exactly what I am trying o address to*	[15:59]
jonnyb	almost impossible to debug, massively wasteful in resources, slow, hard to read (i could go on... :P )	[16:00]
garethmcc	and not to mention that copy/pasted code is a nightmare to maintain i even blogged about it lol	[16:00]
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garethmcc	http://www.synaq.com/news-releases/ban-ctrlc-in-your-development	[16:01]
chibaguy	I don't know directly, but I imagine things like smarty blocks, etc. for buttons, tabs, pagination, etc. are pretty useful, as is the caching, I guess. Unless there is a superior alternative.	[16:01]
jonnyb	it's not the copying that's the problem, i reckon...	[16:02]
garethmcc	chibaguy, if you have php files with the correct code in them already to do that and all you need to is include them its the same thing doesnt rely on people having to learn yet another language as well symfony calls them partials	[16:02]
jonnyb	zend has a templating system somewhere in it (but this is idle chatter - we can't get rid of smarty)	[16:04]
chibaguy	:-)	[16:04]
jonnyb	no one has 300 hours spare	[16:04]
garethmcc	i know a lot of my questions are just trying to get to know tiki better as well personally I am more comfortable working on the backend side of things, logic etc, so I am guessing there are guys that would be better suited at getting their feet wet with smarty hehe	[16:05]
jonnyb	have you done much "community coding"? (i hadn't before coming to tiki)	[16:07]
garethmcc	not on an open source project no	[16:08]
jonnyb	it's rather different from my previous experience - either solo, in very small groups voluntarily or large teams commercially	[16:08]
garethmcc	i have worked on large project with a distributed team	[16:08]
jonnyb	somewhere on dev.t.o there a nice page about how the tiki project cannot possibly work - coding in a "wiki-way" is madness!	[16:09]
garethmcc	well thats why I am trying to get a handle on peoples feelings and so on before i just jump in and go banana's	[16:09]
jonnyb	and yet here we are 9 years on, and climbing! most wise (not everyone does that, as you'll see in the code!)	[16:09]
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marclaporte	1st thing is to review our use of Smarty	[16:39]
garethmcc	jonnyb: I see what you mean about the tracker module oh hi marc	[16:40]
marclaporte	and to upgrade to Smarty3 and take advantage of new benefits hi garethmcc!	[16:40]
jonnyb	marclaporte: just fixing that mysql 5 only thing...	[16:40]
garethmcc	marclaporte: were you on FLOSS weekly?	[16:41]
marclaporte	yes jonnyb : tks	[16:42]
jonnyb	i still have the bookmark on my desktop for that FLOSS video - didn't make it past the guy's intro...	[16:43]
garethmcc	was an interesting discussion the cohost seemed to enjoy harping on about automated tests lol	[16:43]
marclaporte	hehe I should have answered a bit better	[16:44]
garethmcc	i thought you did really tbh really well*	[16:45]
marclaporte	thank you so what type of project are you using Tiki for?	[16:45]
garethmcc	well .. ever heard of second life? i am trying to build stuff in SL that tie into a web based service that people in sl can use in their browsers etc so kinda need wiki to describe the product, tracking to help with bug reporting, forums for the community to discuss stuff, blog to post about new releases etc and so no	[16:46]
marclaporte	There is a browser within SL?	[16:48]
garethmcc	no .. but you can make scripts in sl send data to a web service and so people can use a web app to influence stuff in sl actually there is a browser in sl but it has no support for javascript or plugins like flash etc so rather limited	[16:48]
jonnyb	hmm, odd - that sql breaks on my 5.4 mysql too - but i found something that does work ok on both (hope it does the same thing)	[16:50]
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garethmcc	anyone else listen to dan carlin's hardcore history podcast?	[17:06]
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jonnyb	marclaporte: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk fixed - do you think i also need to do setup.sh there? (seems ok)	[17:43]
marclaporte	usually, ye	[17:44]
jonnyb	do you think it's to do with the error is chucks out? (`demotw:apache': invalid group)	[17:45]
chealer	polom	[17:52]
CIA-37	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r31922 10/branches/experimental/xajax_removal/ (51 files in 7 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, trunk 31900 to 31921	[17:53]
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marclaporte	jonnyb : that error has been there for a while, but seems harmless	[18:10]
jonnyb	just wondering if it was why you always need to do setup.sh after svnup - i don't on other servers - might be connected	[18:10]
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jonnyb	anyway - that sql error i fixed - and i'm playing with the modules :) on http://demo.tiki.org/xajax_removal	[18:12]
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chibaguy	I mentioned thinking about a grid system for Tiki a while ago. Just to clarify, I don't mean trying to adopt a system like Blueprint or 960 intact. I mean something more along the lines of using the principles of a grid system to define... ...some CSS classes for element widths.	[18:32]
jonnyb	ok, that makes sense	[18:33]
chibaguy	This would be available for boxes in wikitext, too, for more attractive layout there.	[18:34]
jonnyb	i'm just experiencing what you're saying i think on http://demo.tiki.org/xajax_removal the header is fluid which produces some nasty alignment issues	[18:34]
garethmcc	there is one advantage to using an existing grid "framework" its tried, tested and used in many places very succesfully the biggest disadvantage is implementation :/	[18:35]
chibaguy	We have to think about retrofitting, for one thing.	[18:36]
garethmcc	exactly using something like blueprint for example means going through all existing css and removing all attributes that influence width and then going through every page that uses the css and adding the grid specific classes not only that but a lot of the grid frameworks also need things laid out in a specific ways with parentdivs done just so with child divs inside them etc	[18:36]
chibaguy	Actually I don't think widths are specified much for Tiki's elements, so there may not be a lot to remove. But we have to consider that Tiki's layout is very end-user configurable, so any system has to have a lot of tolerance for that.	[18:38]
garethmcc	kind of "yikes" jquery is very good at dynamically changing classes	[18:38]
chibaguy	It'd be nice to not have to go that route, though.	[18:39]
garethmcc	if the layouts are user configurable then it might be needed to have jquery do that, especially with that idea I read about dragging modules around ajax wise :/	[18:40]
chibaguy	This looks interesting to me: http://oocss.org/	[18:40]
garethmcc	very similar to blueprint	[18:41]
chibaguy	I don't know what jonny has in mind for resizing of ajax-dragged modules. As far as I know, they will go to side columns, which have widths set, or to the horizontal top and bottom areas, where they'll probably need to have widths specified, but probably at the time of module creation.	[18:42]
garethmcc	one thing to bear in mind the more work you give the client the less the server does and therefore the more concurrency the server can support tough one to draw the line though	[18:42]
chibaguy	Tiki can be full-width and liquid, or fixed-width now, and it can have 1, 2, or 3 columns, sometimes in different combinations in one installation, so the 'grid' needs to be ok with that.	[18:43]
garethmcc	me and the ui developer at work oten have arguments hehe	[18:44]
chibaguy	well, there will be other opinions in the Tiki group, too, about changing something like this. Though people are generally ok if it is clearly an improvement and there's no bad side-effect.	[18:45]
garethmcc	well grid based css will only be an improvement	[18:46]
chibaguy	People talk about Tiki being 'ugly' (front end, not code, in this case ;-) ) and I think one reason is there's no logic to the spacing.	[18:47]
garethmcc	i noticed that too one page will be laid out one way and another a different way one thing that was slightly cringe worthy was the use of tables to layout pages grid based css can resolve that too	[18:47]
chibaguy	And when the page is wiki-based, people tend to have no guidelines on how to do well-spaced columns or module boxes. We finally got rid of tables for layout of the main tiki parts at version 3, but there are still some layout tables here and there.	[18:48]
garethmcc	i've seen a few forms on teh admin backend that uses tables quite a bit	[18:49]
chibaguy	Yep. Haven't been a high priority. but they're steadily being replaced. though slowly Anyway, time to sleep here. g'night.	[18:50]
jonnyb	chibaguy: i'm trying to work out what to do with "modularising" the bottom bar - mostly it has links in (report, share, powered by etc) - should i make a "link" module or... ah, too late :P	[18:51]
chibaguy	heh	[18:52]
jonnyb	i'll work something out	[18:52]
garethmcc	nn Chiba	[18:53]
chibaguy	Yeah, I don't know if the parts down there should be separated. Well, I guess they should along the lines of how they're turned on or off in admin now.	[18:53]
jonnyb	not for long! :)	[18:53]
chibaguy	Unless you make a module with parameters to switch on\|off the items.	[18:53]
jonnyb	or why not something more generic so it'll be able to do the "like" links etc... hmmm, might be more interesting than i though - nn chibaguy	[18:54]
chibaguy	well, a whole module for "powered by" maybe is overkill. On the other hand, the user-friendliness shouldn't be a step backwards from Tiki 6. anyway, g'night	[18:55]
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yuchien	hi .. someone help me? my search bar is not showing up	[22:49]
	i checked the search bar option under the look and feel. but the search bar is not showing up.. can someone help?	[22:55]
	somebody?	[23:00]
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yuchien	http://allstarpedia.com/NHL no search bar????	[23:10]
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