Can anyone think of what could prevent *any* user with the perms, even the admin user, from editing or creating wiki pages?
Kent_: error 500 in the server?
I'm not sure if I understand your question or scenario...
When anyone tries to edit a page, or create a new one, it just redirects to the HomePage. Nothing else happens. No on can create or edit a page.
Kent_: just in case, disable the "redirect on error" setting
Did that.
cleared cache
did you disable .htacess for a while (for curiosity)?
rewrite rules are there...
no. I can try
No help. It clobbers the sef urls of course, but even going to http://debbiehanlonconnection.com/tiki-editpage.php?page=Contact redirects to the HomePage (which 404s because of the sefurl)
Although the page itself http://debbiehanlonconnection.com/tiki-index.php?page=Contact presents as normal. Just disappears in a redirect when you click Edit
did you disable ajax and xajax? (just in case)
I mean, what you get is a weird effect that I've never seen before, but looks like some ajax weirdness, or redirection weirdness, or rewrite rule weirdnes...
I would suggest that you double check that all your files in teh server are ok (synchronize with your local copy of that tiki version ,etc)
Weren't on... Ah so, Ajax turned on by in WSIWYG profile.
No help turning off ajax
none of the files seem to be modified since last update that I can see. And this just started awhile ago after working on it all day. All year really, so this is pretty distressing.
Kent_: no idea, sorry. but looking weird for sure
Kent_: for curiosity: which tiki version are you at?
6.1
shared hosting?
svn or ftp?
of ssh I mean
or ssh I mean
ftp
did you double check that some file was not missing or corrupted at ftp upload?
some ftp programs allows synchronizing (analyzing first) between local and remote
and they are very handy to detect weirdnesses in files while doing long ftp uploads, etc
nothing has changed since this morning that I can tell except the css file
the files were uploaded last month
except the css file :-)
which theme style are you using right now?
is this an old one?
did you try using some standard theme style from 6.x, and see if the same issue happens?
(changing css also changes tpl's in some themes...)
was that a clean 6.x intall, or you did upgrade from a previous tiki version?
yeah, I've done nothing today but tweak borders and stuff. It's a styled-up News.css
thenews.css?
yes, started with that
just in case, un-minify .css and un-minify .js (under admin > performance)
and ensure that you don't have gzip compression enabled in the same admin panel
None of that was on. 
ok
and it's the same in FiveAlive
getting out of ideas then :-7
:-/
well, I guess I'll have to reupload the files
Kent_: could you let us see the problem for ourselves?
you bet. One moment
SourceForge has a new look: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tikiwiki/
chealer user Tiki pword Wiki6
that user is in technical and admin groups so should be able to do anything
Kent_: remember to change that later... this chat is logged, and the logs are plublicly available
for anyone
right ta
Kent_: can I temporarily disable Search engine-friendly URLs?
you bet
there is a 302 Moved Temporarily redirecting to HomePage
Kent_: when did it start to your best knowledge?
after dinner ;-) working right up till then
Kent_: you're the only admin and just worked on CSS files today?
I'm the only admin, but I worked on lots today.
but didn't modify any php files
Kent_: do you have backups?
I just made a dump of the SQL
I can have the server rewound to yesterday but that loses the day.
Kent_: in which environment does Tiki run?
environment? apache 
on CENTos
Kent_: OK. could you backup the current state of the database, go back to yesterday, test and then back to the current? how long would that take you?
Not sure. Have to request the rewind.
I'm about to try importing it into another db first.
Kent_: hard to say. I would ask on forums and if nobody knows I would look at an xdebug function trace
Thanks chealer. I'm going to hook it up to another tiki database and see if it works. Then see what's what from there.
Kent_: or get the Tiki database on another install if it's not too big, one where you'll be able to install xdebug
Hi. My ISP just killed one of my sites because of excessive CPU use on a shared server. The problem looks like a calendar lookup. Is this a known issue in 6.0?
are you using gzip or any of the performance options?
fwiw, current version is 6.1 -- not 6.0
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ricks99: I think I used the defaults. (I can't check because they cut off all access to the site).
not sure. i have several tiki 6.x sites with calendars. some running on shared hosting, too, and have never had excessive cpu issues.
can you check the server logs? maybe site was being attacked or spammed?
That is my plan. I was going to update to 6.1 at the same time.
ricks99: thanks.
good luck
Well I put another domain on that server and another tiki and it worked, then I imported the db and it was successful, but the problem came with it. So, it's something in the db and I have no idea what.
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polom
hello tiki users!
anyone out there?
I am looking for help with a few things on my new site. I am new to tiki and have been working hard learning it, but there are still some things I am stuck on.
Anyone good with banners?
allo?
Hi creativemetro
What is your question?
hi. I am looking for help with banners and a few other things.
ok
Using Google analytics, calendar problems, making backups. Can you help?
I'll try.
Thanks
What are you questions? Have you reviewed the docs
I have been thorugh many docs, used Tiki for Smarties, but I still need to connect mentally
Let's start with setting up Analytics, yes?
ok
poloms in the rain
Is there a step-by-step doc for that?
Are you using Google Analytics?
Would like to
What Tiki version are you using?
6
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32544 10/trunk/lib/prefslib.php: [FIX] profiles: Another system modified pref (there will be more)
you can simply add the code to Tiki on the Look & Feel page, in the "end of <body> code "area
Also, I would upgrade to the latest 6.1
ok. putting the code there is akin to adding it to each page as Google instructs?
I try to install tikiwiki via fantastico (cpanel) and it doesn't recore Hebrew text. is it because it's 5.2?
I assume you want analytics for the entire site, yes? Not a single page?
Yes
yes. It will appear at the end of the <body> for every Tiki page
Thank you. Is that all needed?
yes
how do I tell TikiWiki to accept Hebrew text (5.2)?
Ok. Next issue is calendar. This is a big feature to my site and I feel limitations. I cannot find a way to repeat events on a monthly basis such as first Friday of the month. Also, can't copy event that may repeat 3 days in a row at different times.
When you create an event, you can specify if it repeats
Yes, but the repeat for monthly seems to only be on a date such as 8th of the month. Is there a way to get "second Wednesday"?
not sure if that is supported
Secondly, if I repeat an event that happens for three days, but the time changes, I have to re-enter the whole thing and change the time manually, which takes a lot of time.
It's not as simple as copying the event and changing the time, nor can it be repeated with different times daily.
as designed. a 'reapating' event is assumed to be identical (same time). if at different times, it is a different event
Right, this poses some serious time issues with a community that has lots of events. :(
How do I suggest changes to developers?
if they're different times, they're different events afaik
You can add items to the bug tracker and wish list on dev.tiki.org
Yay! I will.
Ok, maybe you can help me to understand how I can use banners for my advertisers.
OK
I have theme "business". It may be limiting my usage, but I'd like to use banners to sell ad space.
ok
Did you create a bannerzone?
I have, but do not understand how it works
I had an ad that showed up in a module
ok
I want to have ads that aren't bordered by the module
Full-size to the edges of the div
you can use the nobox param for the module
I don't know how to get rid of the edges. The module manager has this option, but it will not work when used.
So, does the theme have some sort of override to the param?
Also, how can I find out the actual size of the module area?
are you putting the module in a column? or adding it via the MODULE plugin? If in a column, the width is dependent on the theme. Some themes have wider columns than others
the width of the overall columns are specified in the css (#col1, #col2, and #col3 iirc)
I don't understand the difference. This is a variable center column with 2 fixed module columns on right/left. creativemetro.com
Perhaps I need some schooling on how banners work. And modules.
the width of your left column (where you have the ARTICLES) plugin is defined by #col2
it is 280px (from your theme)
ok, where do you find that?
in the css
looking
your ADVERTISMENT module is in the right columns (#col3) which is also 280px. but the module has a 25px padding, so the actual width of the module is ~200px
you might find http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Which+CSS+Style+to+Edit helpful in determining which CSS style to modify
got it, so if I used nobox it will still have padding and look indented unless I create new class?
y, but not sure if nobox param can be used on all modules or only via the MODULE plugin (can't remember, but can try)
right, it doesn't even seem to work with this theme
At least, I don't know how.
Anyway, I would like to use banners or some tool to create a way for feed to run under the nav bar. Perhaps this is another tool?
use the center column content area in the admin: Look & Feel page and add your {bannner ... } there
So, is there a good doc for how to use banners? I just don't understand them yet
http://doc.tiki.org/banners
Thanks, but that is so simplistic. I understand usability, but I guess I don't get how to customize "zones", specify content and area of display.
a zone is simply a named content area. you need to create an ad, then assign it to a specific zone, then display the zone in Tiki (such as in a module or the custom center column area)
Did you create a Zone?
bbl
I was helped to create one. I found a page: http://doc.tiki.org/Banner+Admin&highlight=zones
OK. did you create a new banner and assign it to the zone?
Still doesn't give instructions on how to create zone
Uuuh, I have only used modules for this
http://doc.tiki.org/Banner+Admin#Creating_a_banner_zone
explains how to create a banner zone
ah, thanks
K, well, I guess I need to devote some time to practicing that. How about backing up my site?
http://twessentials.keycontent.org/What+to+Backup
Great. Thank you very much. Are you familiar with the Directory feature?
y
I am using under the resources tab of my site and am wanting to sort  and "pretty" up the list. Is this possible?
can modify the css or add ur own custom styling, as needed
Well, does it work like trackers where you can use plugins to sort and change look?
no. but you could use trackers instead of the directory feature. this would allow much greater control
right, that's what I was wondering about.
But what is the strong point of directory then?
If you simply want a way to collect and present a group of links, it is very quick & easy
I do like that, but need additional sorting and presentation.
For example: http://keycontent.org/tiki-directory_browse.php
Thanks for all your help. I think I need to spend some time on this. Are you on chat often?
you can easily sort ur directory http://creativemetro.com/tiki-directory_browse.php?parent=4
yes, you might also consider posting questions to the support fourms, too
I need to have a full list in list mode on the main link and sort list by categories on other sub-tabs
I don't want the end user to have to interact with the sort to get shat they want
what they want
Tiki is highly flexible. you can create menu items however you want
I am using trackers with plugins for other pages, but directory seems to have limitations on sort feature
I will keep working on this. And I'm sure I'll be back to chat as well. Thanks for your time!
you're welcome
ping chealer
are you still having issues on the conslutants list? I've tested on multiple PCs, multiple browsers, multiple ISPs and seems fine now. let me know...
polom
wolod
lol
gonna be one of those days huh  ;)
just watching the snow
seems to be a popular pasttime this year
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Morning.
 Info: La tournée printanière de Tiki - http://info.tiki.org/article150-La-tournee-printaniere-de-Tiki
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32545 10/third_party/jquery/ (198 files in 9 dirs): [MOD] jquery.js and jquery-ui.js updates (to 1.5.0 and 1.8.9)
hi
is there anybody online?
I'm trying to install tiki on hardy, but something is wrong
After the step "Review the System Requirements" I get an empty white page
there is now next step or something
On Lucid it's working
hi tompos - which version of tiki? (not spotted a difference like this personally)
6.1
I tried to change many things,. nothing helped
Have you tried on Hardy?
did u review the platform-specific install guides?
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32546 10/trunk/tiki-setup.php: [MOD] Deploy jquery.js and jquery-ui.js updates (to 1.5.0 and 1.8.9) and hook in newer version of bgiframe
tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r32547 10/branches/6.x/lang/es/language.php: a few strings translated
not for a long time - been on debian for a while (but thinking if switching back)
yeah, the white page is a PITA. check your httpd error logs to see whats going on
tompos: do you have anything in your apache error.log?
no, I don't
where are those guides?
I can find only the common guide
see docs: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Installation+Guides
RavenC: 67 degrees out of normal sleeping position ? :D
polom everyone
hehe, that's interesting in the howto: sudo apt-get install sendmail
who does use sendmail these days?
anyway, there is no new information about the installation job
can you try changing the error reporting settings in your php.ini?
s/out/off/ (i guess)
hi jonnyb
thx :)
@luciash:  lol
there is none of a error message
BTW, this the URL: http://rtfm.co.hu/tiki/tiki-install.php
ok, i see the same WSoD (white screen of death) - but no help
it will be a php fatal error and should be logged somewhere unless logging is disabled
without the error it's hard to know what else to suggest, sorry
i guess you could compare the phpinfo with the one that works (on Lucid?)
maybe a lib is missing
if you find it let us know so we can catch it
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32548 10/trunk/templates/tiki-editpage.tpl: [FIX] preview: Curiously missing JS for magnifier toggle preview button
if the is a log mjessage, I'll let you know:)
thanks
jonnyb: tks for jQuery updates
no probs - haven't spotted any difference so far (or problems, so that's good)
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jonnyb: before you start on mobile, you saw my  mail about feature check for modules being too restrictive?
yes, getting to that one (have a little themegen issue to fix also)
tks
polom
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32549 10/trunk/lib/themegenlib.php: [FIX] themegen: Better CSS colour processing (was missing some)
chibaguy: xavi mentioned that you had interest in putting some type of auto scrolling cotent pane in Tiki, is that right?
chibaguy: as is shown here - http://zukakakina.com/jShowOff+demo
chibaguy: I'm currently working on getting a licence, but what do you think about - http://css-tricks.com/examples/AnythingSlider/ ?
ah, well, I used that as an external script, and xavi and I were saying it'd be neat if it was part of tiki.
I think the anythingslider is kinda the first but much more refined.
polom robertplummer 
hey jonnyb
(polom)
anythingslider looks good - but i haven't read the code, does it look tiki-fyable?
i am a little suspicious that they don't seem to know about proper licensing...
jonnyb: I just tested and commited sheet w/ jQuery 1.5, works great imho.
robertplummer: why not use the SCROLL wikiplugin ?
super, sorry i didn't check much - mainly ajax stuff
Yea, it bothers me too, but I remember another project that sometime back didn't have any as well, and is now a part of tiki :)
do you see the alleged speed improvements?
at least from the description of the plugin i thought it si what it does
:)
Yea, it seems a little faster.  I've switched sheet over to children rather than find, but I can't really tell.
I'm using mostly chrome now since ff went belly up with speed, and it is just fast all the time.
there are probably lots of finds in tiki-jquery.js that could be improved too
I like jshowoff because it is easy to use in the wiki page, and is pretty configurable in terms of controls display, etc.
indeed, same for sarafi
http://ekallevig.com/jshowoff/
sharp!
It was just right for the particular site that wanted that kind of display.
I like the name!
lol
vacommunity.org
it certainly does show it off....
I think they are both good projects, but I still think that anythingslider is more refined.
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But they are so close it really doesn't matter.
robertplummer: by more refined, do you mean the code, or the appearance, or...?
At this time I'm scheduled to integrate both projects, anythingslider for nelson, the other for xavi.  I'd like to cut it to one, the more capable and appealing of the 2.
chibaguy: yes
nelson's will remain private if not proper licence
chibaguy: why is .description defined as display:block in layout.css? it means span.description isn't a span any more... seems less flexible but i guess there's a reason
jonnyb, I don't recall now. there is a #description and a .description but I don't recall the details.
+1 for only having one slideshow plugin - let's kil infinite-carousel too if we can (it was only ever in experimental)
it doesn't matter to me which slideshow is used, the most versatile and the easiest to use in wiki text would be fine for me. I (and other people) can always add another script for a site if necessary.
we can/should add a wiki-plugin (or extend files) to make it nice
in trackers item link works properly right?
does anyone know of a javascript to php converter?   This is not for serverside or userside dom.
i broke a tracker and can't figure out how
I also like this: http://dev.herr-schuessler.de/jquery/popeye/
http://dev.herr-schuessler.de/jquery/popeye/demo.html
more of an inline image viewer
... with extras
from a brief check i like the look of jshowoff - seems versatile, licensed and professional - but not activity for about a year...
seems like these slideshow scripts tend to be short-term projects, doesn't it?
chibaguy: It is like that with many jquery scripts.
yeah, people seem to do them to solve a problem or something and then move on.
chibaguy: i'm going to remove the description defs from layout, and only define .description in design - #description should be used to functional reasons, rather than styling i think - will rollback if it breaks anything badly...
now that jquery is a part of nearly 50+ of web projects, the new-ness is gone, excitement is exhausted, now it is just work.
jonnyb, that's fine.
robertplummer: sorry to hear that ;-)
chibaguy: Just a general statement. I'm still excited!
:-)
jonnyb, have you checked out sheet recently?
time to sleep here. cya all later.
jonnyb: contextmenus now for top and left bars, working on cell contextmenus too.
cool - must try and catch up on sheet stuff, sorry - distracted :)
jonnyb: stay focused buddy!
jonnyb: I was just mentioning it, I'm sure it is a drop in the bucket for you.
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yes, thanks jonnyb. the jquery update seems good, great if you didn't have to adapt anything. is it completely backwards-compatible?
hi chealer - seems to be ok so far with no changes...
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32550 10/trunk/styles/ (jqui.css layout/design.css layout/layout.css): 
tikiwiki: [MOD] css: Define class description in design.css (italic, slightly smaller). Remove duplicate from jqui.css (others to do).
tikiwiki: Also removed the definitions from layout.css which stops having inline description spans - minor breakage expected.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32551 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [FIX] modules: Respect all prefs required (AND) or none, add a couple of missing pref checks, improve all modules list appearance
can anyone remember the issue about comments in installer schema? i just had one not applied starting with two comments...
I do  not udnerstand the new abstraction in trackerlib
get_field_id_from_type give a db error SELECT `fieldId` FROM `tiki_tracker_fields` WHERE 1=1 AND `trackerId` = '16' AND BINARY `bintype` IN('q', 'k', 'u', 'g', 'I', 'C', 'n', 'j', 'f')
i never understood abstractions when visiting an art gallery ;)
it is so hard to debug when there is an error now
and there is no documentation I suppose
i thought the new db stuff was great sylvieg - not looked at trackers for a while though
I do not like it 
:(
no idea if the error is in the abstraction or the use..
brb
jonnyb: a schema upgrade script?
yes
20100114_tiki_actionlog_merge_tiki.sql - the tiki_schema table records it was run (last year) but i don't have the columns it adds...
could easily fix my site but would like to find out why it failed
jonnyb: maybe related to mine, when i didn't get the custom code moved to modules in trunk on upgrade, you remember ?
hmmm, it a worry
i just deleted the row in schema and re-ran the update and it worked fine - not great...
jonnyb: s/it/it's/ ?
luciash: hmm?
(18:25)
I need help: I try to install tikiwiki (5.2) with cpanel/fantastico and it doesn't take Hebrew data (it appears to be "???"). on the demo site it works OK. where could be the problem?
oh right - thanks :P
ok :)
anyway, moving on... (mobile, mmmmmmmmmmmmm!)
YossiN: is everyithing at your side utf-8 ?
mmmmmm :)
jonnyb: I seem to have it (the client column) on my upgraded sites too
what do you mean "everything"? does everything utf8 in opensourcecms.com?
jonnyb: I seem to remember an issue with comments too, but it's too vague
@YossiN: You need to confirm that your database collation is UTF-8
chealer: yes, i think changi|away worked it out
checking...
YossiN: yes, your db must be set to utf-8, your default charset on server should be too, etc. you can check when you go to tiki-install.php too
@YossiN: check the DB connect, all tables in db, and the charset entry in your db/local.php file. *all* 3 should be identical UTF-8
what directory is tiki-install.php?
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@YossiN: tiki-install is in your Tiki home/root
looking...
do you think i should add the new mobile stuff as feature_mobile (which was the old hawhaw one) or something else?
the database is utf8
jonnyb: is the module revamps over?
to run the tiki-install I need to remove the lock file...
You need to check the DB, the tables, and the connection. confirm that all 3 are utf-8. see http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Essential+Installation+Tips
probably not - awaiting feedback
jonnyb: it depends what you wnat to do
jonnyb: as anonymous the page layout is largely broken in my trunk: http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/trunk/tiki-index.php
I don't know the cause but it started degrading with the revamp
hi ricks99
jonnyb: if I well understand - the only job you have to do when using jquery mobile is the put their classes at the right place
ricks99: going to re-check the consultants issue
where to look in tiki-install.php?
sylvieg: sort of feeling my way at the moment
hi chealer. ived tested with multiple pcs/multiple connects
seems fine
jonnyb: btw there are still in alpha release - 1 release is in 2 months I think
ricks99: it's still broken. to reproduce, I first go to http://info.tiki.org/Consultants (in Iceweasel)
@YossiN: step 4 of the installer. please see doc: http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Essential+Installation+Tips
sylvieg: i think it may involve quite a few differences, in tiki.tpl and tiki-jquery.js for instance
jonnyb: yesterdy the guys were asking for new devs for the jquery mobile
sylvieg: which guys?
ricks99: then I just click Find Tiki Service Providers
ok.. so am i...
ricks99: Iceweasel is basically Debian's name for Firefox
:-)
I see the list of 17 items
jonnyb: scott jehl todd parker
ricks99: yes, until there that's good
ricks99: then, I click with the center button to open your page, and I do the same for mine
what exactly did u click
ricks99: your page comes fine - with you. mine comes but it's about you
ricks99: our names (top left)
when i click "Philippe Cloutier" i get your page
jonnyb: the link I answer on admin will give in a few days a video of the presentation - it is great
i think ur browser is caching something
the link to http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1029 and http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1075
the database connection is UTF8
yes, both links work. one is me, one is you
ricks99: well if my browser is caching, that's still a problem, but I can verify
sylvieg: that sounds good
i have win xp, win 7, win vista, ie 7, 8, ff, chrome opera
all my combinations worked fine
@YossiN: look at your db/local.php file. confirm your charset declaration
ricks99: $client_charset = 'utf8' ;
tht database tables are utf8_general_ci
did u clear all tiki caches?
the page encoding is UTF8
what else?
YossiN: collation
collection?
database collation
ricks99: it's not browser cache
@YossiN: please see the FAQs for complete details, including step-by-step instructions
http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tiki FAQs#Why_is_Tiki_showing_weird_characters_or_other_encoding_issues_
oops
the collection was wrong checking
http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Tiki+FAQs#Why_is_Tiki_showing_weird_characters_or_other_encoding_issues_
ricks99: I can reproduce easily, but sometimes it works. it seems the quicker you go, the more likely it's wrong. say you switch in less than 3 seconds, you should get the problem
yes, the collection was the problem THANKS GUYS
collation
@chealer: easy fix. slow down
:)
i dont know
YossiN: good :)
luciash & ricks99: you deserve a bottle of beer each of you. 
should I drink it on your behalf?
:D
ricks99: hehe. we could probably go with that advice for now, though sometimes it's quite longer
cheers YossiN
bye guys, good to know there is a place where ppl do help ... bye
@chealer: can u manually confirm (llok at source) that the links themselves are correct? (the are for me) if the links are generated correctly i have no idea what the issue is
ricks99: absolutely, I see the same page for several URLs (itemIds)
when you look at the source for the listing (not the profile) all the links are identical??
ricks99: can you try opening several pages quick? I'm surprised you didn't reproduce on several browsers
ricks99: the links are fine, and they open the right URL
"they open to the right URL" ????? then what's the issue?
ricks99, chealer : i have seen that one
on another site
ricks99: the URL doesn't give the right page content
which url?
it was either the wiki caching of the templates or nested trackerlist plugins which caused this weirdness
luciash: using TRACKERLIST (IIRC)?
yes
luciash: interesting. Rick checked the caching yesterday though
yesterday the situation was much worst, for anonymous everyone saw Xavi's profile
caching on all pages & the wiki tpl is "0"
polom
now I guess it's working most of the time
then he must missed some or it must be nested trackerlist bug
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luciash: did you solve your problem?
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I cannot duplicate. i'm unable to visually understand what is wrong. if tiki is generating the link correctly (ie each person is a different ?trackerId=##) then there shouldnt b an issue, no?
ricks99: all the URLs for consultants, for example yours
my url is 1029
chealer: yes but unsure how... maybe i needed to add a mising param to explicitly say what user i want to load... i think  &tr_user={$f_XX} helped
ricks99: I just did another test opening Robert's profile then yours. a tab open for Robert with http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1086 displaying his profile
ricks99: and a tab opens for you with http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1029 displaying again Robert's profile
y http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1086 i get roberts
https://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1029 i get me
chealer: i see ricks on 1029
ricks99: but if I refresh your page, I see yours, as I should
chealer: and visited 1086 displaying robert
https://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1085 is amette
luciash: hum. unfortunately I don't know trackers much, in particular plugins
chealer: logged out (anonymous)
luciash: yes, it's very important to be logged out
chealer: so i cannot confirm that issue here
http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1044 shows me sylvieg's
chealer: maybe your iceweasel is caching weird
other folks please quickly check ^^^^ links and see who you see.
yes, in general if you go to a URL it's fine, but not if you just went to a different one
ricks99: you're showing https links. are you logged in or not?
chealer: i just went to roberts and then quickly to ricks and it worked fine
chealer: now on 1044 and i see sylvie's
OK I just reproduced opening the 2 links I pasted on IRC
(Robert's and Rick's)
chealer: sorry, we cannot reproduce
luciash: I don't think it's cache. the URLs are different
luciash: not browser cache, I mean
@chealer: just so I fully understand. When you go to http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1086 you see ME -- not robert?
but only sometimes?
luciash: and I verified it with Firebug it's not using cache anyway
and only when you switch between pages quickly?
and only when linking *from* the consultants page? not a on a directly url?
ricks99: only if I saw your profile just before Robert's
and yes, it's clear that timing is involved
i'm at a loss
ricks99: no. as I said, I can reproduce from the links on IRC. but first, are you anonymous or logged in?
i have 2 separate browser sessions - 1 logged in, 1 anon
cannot reproduce with either
chealer: we are anonymous, doing the same as you, but all appears fine... believe it or not
chealer: only difference is taht i use Opera here
ricks99: just use the anon one. here are Robert's link are yours: http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1086 http://info.tiki.org/TikiConsultant?itemId=1029
i have ie & ff
:D
1086 opens robert, 1029 shows some ugly guy
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hum, info menu not displaying great in Opera 11
as anon
ricks99: hehe
I'll try reproducing in Opera
i'll flush the tiki cache on info.t.o (again)
bbl, bed-time story time now
I have no problem reproducing in Opera neither
good night luciash, thank you
in mytiki contacks, is there a way to set "bolb" field and not only varchar(200)?
oh, bed-night *story* time, right :-)
if u (and only u?) are having the same issue on multipel browsers, maybe some sort of os level caching?
I thought that wasn't your usual bed-time time :-)
ricks99: I can always do it on the other PC, but I'm 99,99% sure my OS doesn't cache GETs
just grasping at straws... i don't know what else.
ricks99: so, I was going to say, if I just left-click these 2 links, without being slow (say in less than 4 seconds), they both show the same content (the consultant I first clicked)
ricks99: nice page
YossiN: uh... what are you trying to do?<
i think i understand what you are saying. but i (nor luciash) could reproduce :(
I need a larger than 255 chars filed for notes...
lol (for changi) :-)
brb...
or, maybe there is a better addressbook than the default minitiki one?
any ideas?
ricks99|away: yeah... I just tried on another PC with the good old MSIE 6, reproduced at first attempt
YossiN: there is no preference to do that, you would have to do it in the database (phpMyAdmin)
are we compatible with Apache License 2.0?
thanks chealer, "no" is an answer too...
jonnyb: http://tiki.org/License says we can use Apache code
was just wondering if the version number matters
i'm going to work on the assumption 2.0 is ok
YossiN: I was not sure I had understood your question correctly. preferences to alter a software's database schema are rare, I never saw that. Tiki has none.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32553 10/third_party/mobileESP/ (. mdetect.php): [NEW] mobile: Adding experimental 3rd party lib device detector mobileESP
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32554 10/third_party/jquery/ (17 files in 3 dirs): [NEW] mobile: Adding jquery.mobile (1.0 alpha 3)
@chealer... i don't know what else to do or even to try. :-(
ricks99: thank for the tests, I guess we'll hear if other people are affected
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32555 10/trunk/lib/: [SVN] mobile: Link in external for mobileESP
ricks99: if you have access to the souce - I will put a trace in the plugin to be sure that the itemId that is considered is the good one
source? you mean the generated html?
in lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerlist.php
ah... no. i'm not sure who does have cpanel access
because can be the browser or servar cache - or it can be a bug in the plugin (in this case - need to verif the filter in list_items to see if the itemId is the one on the url)
ricks99: why are there 2 Tiki.org username fields in the tracker: http://info.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=1075&trackerId=6&show=view&reloff=12&cant=17&status=o&trackerId=6&sort_mode=f_42_asc ?
the autopopulate is to be used in the future, so that each person can "own" their tracker info for updating
ricks99: can I rename the user selector to "Tiki.org username of the last editor of this item"?
Canadians: http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/asx/asxgen.asx?stream=A007-A-EN-AL
thats the live stream of the Governments review of Usage Based Billing
for now, sure, the auto-select userid is not currently used/shown anywhere
radek82: asx? ew, that sounds so Microsoftish
chealer: its the Government, be happy we don't have to dialin :)
ricks99: thanks, done
I managed to update my consultant information
cool
how come the logo on the facebook widget is still the 3.x one ?
looks correct to me http://tiki.org/networks
on info
in the left "Join Tiki" module
it appears from time to time
ah.. its just an image -- not the real-time widget
probably someone (me) forgot to update it
ah
that explains it
my fear was, if we put a live widget in there it could slow things down too much
maybe not an issue?
http://tiki.org/networks sometimes stalls for me. all the widgets are live
facebook widget is slowing down, yes
k. then i'll leave "as is" will update the icon
k
good catch luciash
weird, as anon i see no anti-bot code at http://info.tiki.org/Tiki+Service+Provider
i see only image border with the alt text "Anti-Bot verification code image"
refresh?
i did
jonnyb, remember those issues we were having with undoable with sheet? I finally figured it out!
woohoo!
still no image
server issues maybe? i dont know
yay, robertplummer_ well done :)
clicking [Try another code] does nothing too
ricks99: ^
i see it
right-click and select show image
must be some JS issue maybe
http://info.tiki.org/temp/public/49f080b54f0863b29386ccad7c3996ef.captcha.png
this is the issue
404
well.. i *would* update the fb image if tiki could tell me where to find fileid 35
haha, i was struggling to find file by fileId recently too ;)
major ui bug
then i found out that it was loaded from another Tiki server
:-p
someone else had reported a missing captcha on info, too.
very random
could not duplicate
is temp/public/ writable ?
you're asking the wrong person
eh, now i reloaded again and the capcha image is sudenly there
yep, confirmed, very random :-p
i assume the directory is fine http://info.tiki.org/temp/public/90fd1cd10cdabdf8d706c5b2812afc2d.captcha.png works for me
yes, now it works even for many [Try another code] for me
can we blame it on Apache (or Tiki)?
;-P
Apache
some random Apache preferably (no racism intended) ;)
quick tiki stat... the facebook "button" on info has a 0.24% click rate
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32556 10/trunk/lib/tiki-js.js: [FIX] modules: jQuerify & fix broken icntoggle()
ricks99: and compared with the others ?
roughly the same for all
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ok, i rather understand it
ricks99: ppl arrive on info for information about tiki and they don't want to go somewhere else immediately... and when they continue explore, they most likely end on community, doc or dev site and there is the module nomore
so no wonder it doesn't receive too much attention or clicks
hi xavi
lol. i actually thought .2% was actually pretty good :-)
eh
really ?
considering it only shows on 10% of all page views and that it is low on the page
ok, i am not much into those stats so i have no clue what is good and what is bad ;)
if it were a "real" ad, y, very low
well, it is not that low
it is second module from top
or third
if i don't count the quotes one
but i see what u mean by 10% of page views, yup
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tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r32557 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Some cleanup of module info
jonnyb: thanks for the HTML cleanup you did a while ago, that makes validation much less life poisoning
it's a good thing to do... thanks :)
only 8 errors now ^_^
go gettem chealer!
jonnyb: yeah, I had the courage to consider it, but they're not really my domain. treetable and obsolete table attributes that apparently should be replaced with CSS
Firebug is not being very helpful. "uncaught exception: Syntax error, unrecognized expression: ~" but no indication of where it comes from
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r32558 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin_include_module.tpl: modules are not just right & left anymore :-)
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r32559 10/trunk/tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php: typo
i know we shouldn't do that ;)
wanna share but dunno where
info.t.o? :P
i'll put it in the galleries and let rick decide ;)
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r32560 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: (log message trimmed)
tikiwiki: [FIX] In some (actually could be many) cases there is a need to have a paragraph
tikiwiki: even if the content being parsed is only one line. In Tiki 5 that was the
tikiwiki: behavior but someone changed it to not put a paragraph if the content is only
tikiwiki: one line to solve some problems I can imagine. But this leads to inconsistencies
tikiwiki: in other cases. For example, when parsing an article heading, if the heading has
tikiwiki: one line it ends up being not in a para, but it is in a para if there are 2
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r32561 10/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] mobile: Implementation of prefs and libraries for jquery.mobile - doesn't do much yet
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r32562 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/tikilib.php: (log message trimmed)
tikiwiki: [bp/r32560][FIX] In some (actually could be many) cases there is a need to have
tikiwiki: a paragraph even if the content being parsed is only one line. In Tiki 5 that
tikiwiki: was the behavior but someone changed it to not put a paragraph if the content is
tikiwiki: only one line to solve some problems I can imagine. But this leads to
tikiwiki: inconsistencies in other cases. For example, when parsing an article heading, if
tikiwiki: the heading has one line it ends up being not in a para, but it is in a para if
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r32563 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_articles.php: 
tikiwiki: [FIX] Specific case of r32560 issue: In some (actually could be many) cases
tikiwiki: there is a need to have a paragraph even if the content being parsed is only one
tikiwiki: line. In Tiki 5 that was the behavior but someone changed it to not put a
tikiwiki: paragraph if the content is only one line to solve some problems, but this cause
tikiwiki: inconsistency on other cases...
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r32564 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_articles.php: 
tikiwiki: [bp/r32563][FIX] Requires r32562. Specific case of r32560 issue: In some
tikiwiki: (actually could be many) cases there is a need to have a paragraph even if the
tikiwiki: content being parsed is only one line. In Tiki 5 that was the behavior but
tikiwiki: someone changed it to not put a paragraph if the content is only one line to
tikiwiki: solve some problems, but this cause inconsistency on other cases...
ricks99: ^
nice! but "be my valentine" is much more colloquial (at least for USA English).
gonna do for all Tiki.org site colors?
ricks99: u could make a "Show your Tiki love" post on that day ;)
*you* could make a .... :-)
heheh
i know, but "be me" on one line was not enough ;)
"be my"
but maybe i can try with putting all on one liner
no, only valentine color ;)
two lines is fine. can get rid of the "!" too
haha
ricks99: ^
perfect
but why did u upload as a new ID# instead of simply replacing the #99?
:)
no idea
feel free to delete
i like it
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r32565 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_watershed.php: [FIX] When format of plugin in info function is set to html, no need to put ~np~ anymore, otherwise it shows to user.
let's change the site logo to it. we can be just like google :)
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r32566 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_watershed.php: [bp/r32565][FIX] When format of plugin in info function is set to html, no need to put ~np~ anymore, otherwise it shows to user.
ricks99: haha, on 14th ?
yup
ricks99: we'd need red theme to match ;)