[00:01] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r33340 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX]case [00:03] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r33341 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX]case [00:37] *** kiilo has joined #tikiwiki [00:44] *** kiilo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [00:48] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [00:59] *** reallycat has quit IRC (Quit: reallycat) [01:07] *** dabright has joined #tikiwiki [01:18] *** redflo has left [05:21] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has joined #tikiwiki [05:21] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [05:21] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has joined #tikiwiki [05:23] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [05:23] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has joined #tikiwiki [05:24] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [05:27] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [06:33] *** chealer has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [08:05] *** GillesM has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte) [08:16] *** Yonixxx has joined #tikiwiki [08:57] *** GillesM has joined #tikiwiki [10:06] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [10:11] *** qoumaq has joined #tikiwiki [10:24] *** xavi has joined #tikiwiki [10:34] *** Tiki|bot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [10:44] polom [10:44] any tikifester around? [10:45] I guess not, because of the time zones... [10:46] anyway, just in case... I found a good candiate (imho) for the new name of the Trackers feature... [10:46] for after tracker revamp... or even earlier... [10:46] after thinking for many weeks about it [10:47] "Data Tables" [10:48] a single tracker will no be the equivalent to a database (the name that I'0ve been using for years to explain what trackers were, for people to whom "trackers" meant nothing) but to a datatable [10:48] *** chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki [10:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o chibaguy [10:48] polom [10:49] and with several datatables (like in mysql), linked, etc., with indexes (IsMain , etc), would mean something similar to a database [10:49] polom-after-earthquake! [10:49] good to see you around chibaguy [10:49] I read the log from yesterday... and saw the news... [10:49] are you already at home, or still in the "cubicle"? [10:50] heh, yes, I made it home ok; everyone in my office is ok, and family is ok. [10:50] phew... such event from Nature... [10:50] Our house needs cleaning up though. It's hard to imagine how much it was shaking to move things around. No one was home at the time. [10:51] you were lucky [10:51] Except for the traumatized dog. [10:51] oups [10:51] I think she'll recover ok. [10:51] good [10:51] So you have a new name for trackers? [10:52] he he... well yes (proposal, of course) [10:52] :-) [10:52] http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2011-03-12,Sat&sel=24#l20 [10:55] Ah, Data Tables. [10:56] I would initially prefer "database", because users are more familiar (probably) with it [10:57] and you can use trackers to create your own custom database of items, etc [10:57] but a single tracker wouldn't be a database 'sensu stricto' [10:57] but a data table, like a mysql table within a mysql database [10:57] and that's why "Data Table" [10:57] they can have forms, reports, stats, etc. [10:58] from a single table (tracker) or from a set of tables (= database, tracker base = tracker set = Data base in Tiki) [10:58] Yep, it's definitely logical. [10:59] initially I thought that database (or data tables) might create confusion with uisers which know that the database in tiki is mysql, etc. [10:59] but in fact, that's not going to be the case, since users know that there are "file galleries" in Tiki, to hold user files, etc. [11:00] and they don't make the confusion with Tiki's own files (tiki-index.php , etc) [11:00] even if both things are "files" [11:00] so that's why I think that something similar to feature "Data Bases" o "Data Tables" would be a good candidate [11:01] s/a/some [11:01] I think it's probably agreed that Trackers is too narrow (as in bug tracker) so your idea is in the right direction, for sure. [11:02] not only narrow, but missleading for 90% of the users (and new admins) of most of the Tikis I've installed and helped to admin [11:02] in Spanish, Catalan, etc. "trackers" means nothing [11:03] and I still remember that it took me something like to 2 years (!) to understand that a Tracker in Tiki was like a database creator and manager. [11:03] heh [11:03] And in those 2 years I was looking for other software to manage custom databases in other cms's... [11:03] kind of frustrating [11:03] of course, documentation is much better know than before... but also overwhelming for a newbie... [11:04] yep, sure shows that the name isn't self-explanatory. [11:04] and the clearer the name, the better to start in the right and clear direction for the whole Tiki user base [11:04] s/better know/better nowadays [11:05] well, I'm back to testing the GroupMail feature in tiki 6.x... [11:06] it's not working for me in 6.x, I dunno why (and it was for sure, in 4.x... I documented it!) [11:06] and I was finally going to use it for production... [11:06] * xavi is sad to see how many things are still broken or not working properly in our stable 6.x, and the future LTS...) [11:09] It seems like adding/enhancing new features should slow down or be paused and instead time should be put into fixing things. [11:09] +10 [11:10] Anyway for tiki 6. [11:10] there needs to be a balance, of course (some "tiki service providers" probably need to "sell" new tiki features to get funding,e tc) [11:10] Time to eat here now. I'll be back soon. [11:11] *** qoumaq has left [11:11] but if the base is not working.... or if the features they have sold, break in < 24 months (in Europe) they are (should, at least) be in trouble [11:11] ok, enjoy your meal! [11:18] *** Yonixxx has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [11:55] agree with you guys - too many broken things in 6 [11:55] It is time to slow down and to fix [12:00] yes, sylvieg, I agree [12:00] last: webmail seems to be broken [12:04] and the last issue: webmail is not working for me, but the worst is that an admin seems to be unable to delete the non-working email account... [12:04] and that is consuming lots of browser time (ajax_xajax was enabled , etc) [12:05] :-/ [12:43] *** Tiki|bot has joined #tikiwiki [12:44] *** Tiki|bot0 has joined #tikiwiki [12:44] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [12:45] *** Tiki|bot0 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:45] *** Tiki|bot0 has joined #tikiwiki [12:46] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3813 - - 6x: Groupmail doesn't work for me (but it was ok for me in 4x). Is webmail working? - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3813 [12:46] oups, webmail seems to work finally also with pop3 account (weird) [12:48] *** Tiki|bot has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) [12:48] *** Tiki|bot0 is now known as Tiki|bot [12:48] *** Tiki|bot0 has joined #tikiwiki [12:48] *** Tiki|bot has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:48] *** Tiki|bot0 is now known as Tiki|bot [12:49] *** Tiki|bot has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:49] *** Tiki|bot has joined #tikiwiki [13:04] *** qoumaq has joined #tikiwiki [13:36] *** Kissaki has joined #tikiwiki [13:38] polom [13:39] molop [13:39] xavi: what about "Data Forms" ? I would rather prefer that to avoid confusion with real database tables... [13:40] Hi luciash. Trackers are not just forms [13:40] and this confusion (imho) wouldn't exist, in the same way that there is not confusion with "files" (tiki files) [13:41] files from file galleries or files uploaded by ftp such as tiki-index.php, etc. (I'm talking about end users, etc) [13:42] "Data Reports" are for trackers in a similar way to "Data Forms" [13:42] tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r33342 10/trunk/css/ie7.css: [FIX] z-indexes added for IE7 to keep cssmenus on top of other content such as tabcontent. [13:44] to me, the easiest, shortest, simplest, etc. would be either "Data Tables" or "Data Bases" (instead of Trackers) [13:45] "Structured Data" would be also quite specific, but it's not as easy for new users as Database (or data tables, if we don't want to use esactly the word "database"). [13:45] "Data Records" sounds nice too :) or "Data Books" ? imho in every language any title can sound funny or confusing... imho it could stay Trackers... but translate in your language as you feel appropriate [13:45] See this: Dadabik: Database Interface Creator... [13:46] Dadabik ? [13:46] chibaguy: hi, good to hear that [13:46] it's not a question of translation... I bet my 21-old USA students (non-techie) have no idea what a tracekr is [13:46] tracker [13:47] * luciash likes "Databook" ;) [13:47] http://www.dadabik.org/ -> to create databases for users on a free soft. php + mysql (and other db's) based application [13:47] tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r33343 10/branches/proposals/6.x/css/ie7.css: [bp/r33342][FIX] z-indexes added for IE7 to keep cssmenus on top of other content such as tabcontent. [13:48] Databooks: ok, good candidate, imho, also [13:48] xavi: ah, i see [13:49] re [13:49] that's good, luci. [13:50] xavi, I used Dadabik for a project years ago. It's pretty neat. [13:50] yes, chibaguy, I agree. [13:50] I used it too for a few projects years ago (while I didn't know that trackers were to create databases) [13:51] a common use case is that a client has a (ms access or other) database, and they want it online [13:52] they will look for some software which allows them to have their database online, and they will not find Tiki as an alternative [13:52] even if they search the 1000+ pages of documentation! [14:00] I think I might have known that Tiki's trackers were a database kind of thing, but I found Dadabik to be easy for a noob to use. IIRC, I didn't know how to do the same kinds of things with trackers. [14:01] :-D [14:02] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:02] I didn't follow the evolution of dadabik since many years ago... but trackers are very powerful right now (while you don't hit any bug in your way) [14:03] I woner if dadabik followed a similar path as trackers did... [14:03] but anyway, beyond my roadmap for this weekend :-) [14:03] s/woner/wonder [14:04] anyone using webmail for any of your clients? [14:04] tiki webmail, I mean [14:05] I'm willing to use GroupMail (based on webmail) for our local barter group in our suburb, and it's still a promising feature! [14:06] however, there are some tiny issues here and there which make it unusable for production [14:07] and I know jonnyb is quite busy with too many things related with Tiki [14:07] webmail is usable only as emergency solution as it doesn't support attachments yet [14:08] Time to sleep here. Will be back tomorrow. Thanks for your good thoughts and words, guys. [14:08] the attachments are displayed garbage-text [14:08] nor non-english text, nor paginating the webmail module, nor mail folders, ... [14:08] chibaguy: sleep well [14:08] ok, g'night [14:09] luciash: more basic than that: non english text is not shown! (I mean , accents, etc): hidden in html version of message, and weird chars shown in the text version of the message [14:10] or maybe charset conflicts? (even if I try to use utf-8 everywhere) [14:11] I'm willing to pay some coder to fix those things.... but everyone seems to be too busy... [14:11] we need more coders willing to help to fix things (even with paid work, we need more help!) [14:12] *** chibaguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [14:12] bbl (food time) [14:12] and walk-the-dog-time-on-a-rainy-day [14:12] i got czech characters correctly [14:12] in webmail [14:12] lucky you! [14:13] i fixed some issues actually in the listings [14:13] then it must be charset issue [14:13] there are issues still [14:13] maybe because user sends email with iso-8859-1 and tiki expect utf-8 [14:13] :-( [14:13] in 6 OR TRUNK ? [14:13] oops, sorry [14:14] 6x [14:14] using stable [14:14] well, "stable" in theory [14:14] 6.2 [14:14] I don't even dare to test trunk for any serious stuff [14:14] but i tested with utf-8 mails so far only... or iso-8859-2 [14:15] sorry, gotta finish this translation now... bbl [14:15] ok, see you [14:29] *** Kissaki has left "Leaving" [14:46] *** dthacker has joined #tikiwiki [15:01] anybody heard from chibaguy? [15:07] *** xavi has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [15:18] dthacker: yep, he and his family is safe... see the log [15:18] irc.tiki.org [15:19] *** rtdos has joined #tikiwiki [15:21] *** xavi has joined #tikiwiki [15:26] *** rtdos has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:32] *** xavi has left [15:34] *** xavi has joined #tikiwiki [15:45] *** conner_bw has joined #tikiwiki [15:45] *** redflo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:46] *** Yonixxx has joined #tikiwiki [16:25] *** Yonixxx has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [16:34] mmm,, anyone any idea if group watch is storing some info in the tiki logs as individual email-watch events? [16:35] *** nkoth has joined #tikiwiki [16:36] or.... can anyone confirm that group watch is working on blogs in 6x? [16:57] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [17:08] tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r33344 10/trunk/tiki-webmail_ajax.php: Remove useless commented code [17:11] *** USlacker has joined #tikiwiki [17:15] *** kiilo has joined #tikiwiki [17:17] luciash: great news! thank you [17:34] polom [17:35] help is needed to identify how to fix this (non i18n) string in a template: [17:35] {tr 0=$prefs.sender_email|default:"{tr}this domain{/tr}"|escape}If you use an email filter, be sure to add %0 to your accepted list{/tr} [17:35] it comes from tiki-register.tpl , and it seems that it's not parsed properly (it's not included in language.php files once get_strings.php is run, etc [17:36] any smarty guru around to fix the above line? ^ [17:36] I mean, can tr smarty tags be nested? [17:36] no idea, but i would try to remove it [17:37] *** RavenC has joined #tikiwiki [17:51] *** dthacker has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:56] *** RavenC has left [18:00] tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r33345 10/trunk/templates/tiki-register.tpl: [18:00] tikiwiki: [FIX]This nested smarty tr tag prevented the string to show up in the localized [18:00] tikiwiki: language.php. Better to show 'default' in English (when no default email) and [18:00] tikiwiki: the rest always localized, than showing always the whole string in English. If [18:00] tikiwiki: someone has a better fix, please do, but ensure we don't loose this translated [18:00] tikiwiki: string (I remember I had this translated in the past, and probably a few times). [18:02] tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r33346 10/branches/proposals/6.x/templates/tiki-register.tpl: [18:02] tikiwiki: [FIX][bp/r33345]This nested smarty tr tag prevented the string to show up in the [18:02] tikiwiki: localized language.php. Better to show 'default' in English (when no default [18:02] tikiwiki: email) and the rest always localized, than showing always the whole string in [18:02] tikiwiki: English. If someone has a better fix, please do, but ensure we don't loose this [18:02] tikiwiki: translated string (I remember I had this translated in the past, and probably a [18:02] tikiwiki: few times). [18:03] tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r33347 10/branches/6.x/lang/ca/language.php: One string re-added for i18n on registration [18:03] thanks for feedback luciash [18:22] *** USlacker has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/) [18:24] tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r33348 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lang/ca/language.php: Comitting the same file as in branch/6x, since it's a little bit tricky to fix i18n-related things in proposals with an outdated file of strings [18:32] tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r33349 10/branches/6.x/lang/ca/language.php: One string re-added for i18n on registration (missing) [18:36] *** Andurino has joined #tikiwiki [18:37] *** Andurino has left [19:27] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [19:27] polom [19:29] are some people in the tiki house? [19:29] I am ready to drive there - but if the house is empty... [19:31] Ah you r in Boston? [19:31] lexington [19:31] ok [19:31] 20mn from the tiki house [19:32] if you have 5 minutes, you might explain me s.th. [19:32] yeh [19:33] you remember the site search bar ... I did put the sitesearchbar without background picture in the header top right [19:33] it should be in or besides the secondary menu [19:34] css wise that's ok for the moment - not elegant, but I got there [19:34] I would like to take off the word "search" from the standart sitesearchbar and I am looking throughout the tikicode, where that is organised [19:35] I guess that is not a css thing, but might have to do s.th with .tpl or so? [19:35] spmething like .search .btn {display: none;} ? [19:35] or am I completely wrong and it would be an admin thing? [19:36] yes, s.th. like that [19:36] what does that mean: .search .btn [19:36] I am just starting to look into the code stuff [19:37] trying to learn to read the code and trying first mini mini mini adjustments ;-) [19:38] when you want to hide some part on a tpl - an easy solution is to hide blocks with css [19:38] the class for the search bar is .search [19:38] the class for the button is .btn [19:39] so you say every object of class btn that is in an object of class search will be hidden [19:40] ah - css or smarty thought? [19:41] you can solve both way [19:41] what I do not want to have displayed is just the word "search" left of the input field ... the field and the "go" button should be visible [19:41] but the css is more local than a tpl and easy to do the upgrade [19:41] understand [19:41] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [19:41] hi rodrigo_sampaio: is Daniel arrived? [19:42] better do it in one css file, than to do in several files and to have to take care at every update [19:42] sylvieg: you mean if he arrived in boston? [19:42] sylvieg: yes, he arrived yesterday [19:42] ah.. [19:42] is he in the tiki house now? [19:42] sylvieg: I'm not in the TikiHouse [19:43] ah ok... [19:43] sylvieg: I came with him to RoCoCo earlier and he left a while ago to meet you [19:43] and marc and cie - when do they arrive? [19:43] sylvieg: he was going back to the TikiHouse [19:43] better to leave now... [19:43] sylvieg: the guys from montreal arrive later today [19:44] leaving now [19:44] sylvieg: not sure if marc is coming today or tomorrow, he was sick [19:44] sylvieg: ok [19:44] :-( [20:01] sylvieg: he will probably come tomorrow [20:04] Info: Tiki Suite and Confoo.ca - http://info.tiki.org/article156-Tiki-Suite-and-Confoo-ca [20:26] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [20:26] polom y'all [20:30] quiet in boston... [20:39] *** conner_bw has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:41] *** conner_bw has joined #tikiwiki [20:46] *** conner_bw has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [21:14] polom ricks [21:14] still there? [21:30] ricks99: we are at Recent Changes Camp [21:31] ricks99: so far only me, chealer and daniel [21:31] ricks99: the rest of the guys from montreal will arrive today [21:31] greetz to New England [22:07] hola rodrigo [22:08] hola ricks99 [22:09] ricks99: RoCoCo just finished, we are going back to the TikiHouse [22:09] bye [22:09] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [22:09] talk w/ u later [22:09] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Quit: Now available, the first and only Tiki book. Get it at http://twessentials.keycontent.org) [22:26] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [22:33] *** Sug4r has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:33] *** luciash has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [22:59] *** qoumaq has quit IRC (Quit: qoumaq) [23:05] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:09] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [23:16] *** jblz has joined #tikiwiki [23:17] hello, a podcast i'm associated with is using tiki. There is a problem with the password recovery, where it is requiring a person to be logged in to recover their password [23:18] which, of course, is a bit of a chicken and egg problem [23:23] *** conner_bw has joined #tikiwiki [23:39] *** conner_bw has quit IRC (Quit: conner_bw) [23:43] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3814 - - Additional search options if results are not good - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3814