#tikiwiki 2011-03-14,Mon

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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33365 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker.php): [MOD] trackers: Move country selector to handler (little steps at first for me)	[00:00]
sylvieg	:-) sylvieg thinks that with the man power in this tikifest - we will do it !!!! but lph - if you want to have sweet drem - I have a depending from another tracker - how can I sort / filter the field without copying the value if you can find out a query sorintg on an item list... so perhpas it means we need an engine to 'compute' all this or to sot on a computed field depending on n depth of fields it means that a field comes with his 'cloud' fields one field that is tricky - because of smarty - in fact - is the date field and the 'empty ' date notion'emoty / no chnage is very tricky	[00:01]
lphuberdeau	well, the computed field looks plain dangerous to me eval is evil	[00:11]
sylvieg	suppose we need some class about - thje field is empty - and how to set a empty field	[00:12]
lphuberdeau	as for the sort/filter of depending trackers, I think the answer lies in unified search	[00:12]
sylvieg	computed is conceptually good but mysql doen not follow ok I change a field x that is used in field Y do I change the unifeid search? unified search relies on 'rela' values	[00:12]
lphuberdeau	it relies on what you tell it to	[00:14]
sylvieg	so each time I change a field I have to run a script that update other depending values? we define a field as depending on - we need somethig that defines who depends on	[00:14]
lphuberdeau	I don't know exactly what part you are talking about, but technically, you just need to use incremental update on what you modify	[00:15]
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sylvieg	I have a tracker company - I have a traker product - a product is from a company I change the company name - I would like the product's company to have a name update but I would like also to sort the product on company name	[00:16]
lphuberdeau	that's a lookup time query, and should really be either a primary key lookup or indexed lookup, it should not be slow big issue now is that because everything is in a single scope, there is no way to see what takes time in a profiler	[00:18]
sylvieg	it can be the director of the company	[00:18]
lphuberdeau	that should be easy to see/fix afterwards	[00:18]
sylvieg	it can be be the wife of the director of the company..	[00:19]
lphuberdeau	worst case, the information should be cacheable	[00:19]
sylvieg	time consuption - is because too many part in smarty + restrict field if 300 fields in the tracker s/300/300000	[00:19]
lphuberdeau	well, some things are just bad ideas, really what we need to attack after the refactoring bit is what leads trackers to need so many fields	[00:20]
sylvieg	so question when you TRACKER an item- which field must be in? the one in the plugin? the one depending? what means depending? .. ok if we focus ony on code duplication	[00:21]
lphuberdeau	I don't know the tracker functionality in so much details, I really don't use tiki that much	[00:22]
sylvieg	advice: only take 2 tracker product and company - and it will help ypui to understand a lot of problem	[00:24]
	also I am +1 to delate user selector = should be the creator/modificator field - It takes to much time with mysql	[00:29]
lphuberdeau	user selector probably has other purposes the perf issue was resolved a while back, it used to crash dev.t.o	[00:29]
sylvieg	sort on some fields that is a user creator ... it need to be a 'direct' field sylvieg happy because we havce a lot of ressource this week - and it is what is missing to tracker health	[00:32]
lphuberdeau	well, maybe we need to disable sorting or other operations on some types of fields if it's really inefficent	[00:35]
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marclaporte	polom	[00:57]
lphuberdeau	welcome back	[00:58]
jonnyb	polom marclaporte feeling any better?	[00:58]
marclaporte	direct from bed not much better I don't remember having slept so much Thanks to the magic of penicillin, I hope to meet up with you ASAP The important things is that sylvieg, jonnyb and lphuberdeau are tackling the tracker revamp	[00:58]
jonnyb	and you get better, of course...	[01:01]
marclaporte	I am happy to see the discussions and commits, even if I am not active :-)	[01:01]
jonnyb	the journey isn't really suitable if you're feeling bad... it wouldn't help much i think	[01:02]
marclaporte	yeah, at the end of that day, I was really happy I took the decision to skip the 8-9 hour bus ride 1- get well 2- hop on bus/plane :-)	[01:03]
jonnyb	greyhound don't seem to have worked out comfortable seat technology (let alone food, wifi etc)	[01:04]
marclaporte	ok	[01:04]
jonnyb	hope so, we're a bit rudderless without you :P but can manage!	[01:04]
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jonnyb	found a great bar last night	[01:05]
marclaporte	leadership will emerge!	[01:05]
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jonnyb	Yay! Nelson and Pascal arrive at the TikiHouse - the 'fest gathers pace	[01:32]
marclaporte	:-)	[01:37]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33366 10/trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [MOD] Other batch of refactorings	[01:37]
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marclaporte	marclaporte cheers lphuberdeau as he takes on the beast....	[01:51]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33367 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker.php): [MOD] trackers: Move textarea to get_field_handler()	[02:19]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33368 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker.php): [MOD] trackers: Move text to get_field_handler()	[02:55]
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chibaguy	polom	[03:31]
chealer	hello chibaguy	[03:32]
lphuberdeau	chibaguy, good to know you're with us and safe	[03:33]
chealer	did you feel the earthquake in Chiba?	[03:33]
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chibaguy	hi chealer yes, it was strong in Tokyo and Chiba also. No damage at our house, but things were thrown off shelves, some dishes broken, etc. Transportation was stopped Friday night, so I stayed at my office until Saturday. And today (Monday) I didn't go to work, due to transportation uncertainty.	[03:48]
chealer	ouch	[03:50]
chibaguy	Maybe we will have rotating power cuts if the electric company doesn't have enough capacity due to the nuclear power plant problems.	[03:50]
chealer	chealer hasn't been following the news	[03:50]
chibaguy	We've been watching/listening to http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv	[03:51]
chealer	ah, so that was a major plant :-\|	[03:51]
lphuberdeau	as far as what I read and the images I saw, it looks pretty terrifying	[03:51]
chealer	it's quite worrying to hear about nuclear accidents	[03:51]
chibaguy	yes, the govt says there is no need to worry, but of course they would say that.	[03:53]
lphuberdeau	yeah, over 1000 the normal radiation should be something to worry about how far are you from those?	[03:54]
chibaguy	a couple hundred kilometers	[04:00]
lphuberdeau	that should be safe enough	[04:00]
chibaguy	yes, also the prevailing wind is either eastward, out to sea, or westward, toward the asian mainland. usually eastward	[04:02]
lphuberdeau	the earth gave a good shot at nuking japan out of existance, good thing it still holds together	[04:04]
chealer	chibaguy: I suppose you must be worried. I wish you'll go back to normal life and be reassured soon :-\| chealer heads to bed	[04:04]
lphuberdeau	lphuberdeau can't really imagine gary being worried or nervous	[04:05]
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chibaguy	:-)	[04:09]
	my wife worries enough for both of us. ;-)	[04:19]
lphuberdeau	I will be heading off to sleep too... plenty of work to get done tomorrow	[04:25]
chibaguy	thanks for your hard work, lphuberdeau and all you tikifesters. :-)	[04:27]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33369 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker.php): [MOD] trackers: Move item link to get_field_handler()	[05:00]
jonnyb	nite nite all - off to bed also	[05:02]
chibaguy	g'night jonnyb	[05:03]
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Yonixxx	morning and sunshine good people !	[07:17]
luciash	polom	[07:17]
Yonixxx	Hi Lu … <- special for u :)	[07:18]
luciash	yo Yonixxx :) chibaguy: hi, nice to c u back	[07:18]
Yonixxx	How you are doing ? (we have some kinds of high heartbeating with Xavi and chibaguy)	[07:19]
luciash	luciash was watching the same ustream channel Yonixxx: all is fine here... yep, i have read about Xavi's story Yonixxx: hopefully same for you	[07:19]
Yonixxx	pshhiiii… and i recall all the Scfi book i read about a 2000 millenium in harmony, peace and spiritual stuff. I think human kind have to go on for another 100/200 years more. :) Yonixxx entering in it's gonna be a good day mood cu	[07:21]
luciash	cu Yonixxx	[07:24]
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Yonixxx	Back {} Now that i think of it they were also book talking about nuclear disaster.	[07:36]
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Yonixxx	plomo, does someone knows if there is a way to get ride of the "Pending status" ? (i need open/close only). As i need a datestamp condition (turn item status to close after a month) it is best to use the actual status field than to build a new "status field".	[08:11]
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luciash	perhaps in tracker edit ?	[08:30]
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Yonixxx	i check there. i didn't see anything about it. In the meantime i went to weird problem… I have 2 horz menu, 42 if $user == admin only else menu 43. It works perfect everywhere but on articles (any page). I didn't recall anything about menu filtering and i can't figure what is wrong. supressing the 2/menu condition doesn't help btw… really strange like a "feature_articles = no menu" on tw 6.2 updated yesterday	[08:50]
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Yonixxx	Yonixxx starting to get really upset	[09:37]
marclaporte	marclaporte thinks of Bruce Banner	[09:39]
Yonixxx	the tw6.2 i'm fighting with is totally green :D no matter os, navigator, theme or language i can't get the css horz menu on articles pages (any of them) on a tw6.2 updated a few minutes ago (tpl where not customized). is there a new feature filtering header menu ?	[09:40]
luciash	i don't think so	[09:51]
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Yonixxx	this IS nuts ! I drop it for now.	[10:04]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3817 - - Admin topics -> editing a topic show issue with the Email fields - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3817	[10:46]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r33370 10/trunk/styles/tikinewt.css: [ENH] Positions of site header items improved.	[12:00]
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RickDroid	poliomyelitis y'all RickDroid boarding flight to tikifest	[12:34]
	RickDroid hopes everyone wakes up before I get to Boston...	[12:41]
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lphuberdeau	Jonny, Carsten and I are awake	[12:44]
RickDroid	woo hoo hopefully pushing from the gate won. see you in a bit	[12:44]
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jonnyb	lphuberdeau and coaboa are awake, jonnyb is working on it...	[12:51]
sylvieg	sylvieg going to the tikihouse	[13:01]
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chealer	polom TikiFestBoston7 is about to start!	[13:08]
jonnyb	hi chealer - we've started already! the 10 o'clock meeting was at 9:00 (not really!)	[13:10]
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jonnyb	polom robertplummer	[13:14]
robertplummer	polom jonnyb polom lphuberdeau lphuberdeau: I'm working on a custom project in Tiki where I need to list data from a tracker in a custom way, I'm using sql, and I need to list the data like a grid, but it isn't structured that way in sql.	[13:15]
lphuberdeau	polom	[13:15]
robertplummer	I have been re-ordering the data in an array, and it worked well, but now not so much. This is in 6.x mind you. I have it working, I just wanted to know if there was a better way, what do you think?	[13:15]
chealer	oh no. what timezone is the 10 o'clock meeting in? I may be able to have made it standard time :-)	[13:21]
jonnyb	it's in upstairs timezone chealer also we stole your milk! :D rebooting - brb	[13:25]
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lphuberdeau	robertplummer: for trackers, you pretty much need to use the libraries to do anything, but really, in 6, it's not easy (still not too easy in trunk)	[13:35]
robertplummer	I just wrote my own way, it is too hard using the tracker libs.	[13:35]
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jonnyb	back we're going to try and do some bbb for the 10 o'clock meeting - just trying to gather the right toys for it (no proper mic, so sound may be worse than usual)	[13:37]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33371 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker_item.php): [MOD] Hooking the handlers in view item and removing the duplicate code	[13:46]
robertplummer	jonnyb, slacker Hey all, have you guys had a chance to checkout the new codemirror plugin? This week I'm pushing my schedule to the limit, going to try to get as many revisions in as possible before 6.x	[13:48]
jonnyb	doing the meeting now - hopefully we'll be on bbb shortly	[13:59]
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nkoth	Tikifest Boston is underway 10 o'clock meeting on http://tiki.org/live One of the main items that will be tackled in this TIki fest is the trackers code ... refactoring tracker code - each field in each handler so this will be one of the main activity in the Tikifest Next topic... Tiki Webinars - there is a plan to conduct webinars using tiki.org/live about various Tiki topics, e.g. introduction to new features. These will start summer after BigBlueButton 0.8 which has archiving of weinars will be ready. Looking for people to present many topics. Next topic... Demos during this tiki fest: Jonny: Theme generator, Jquery Mobile, Nelson: E-commerce maybe others Next topic... Translations... there needs to be a discussion on this. Rodrigo and Xavi will lead this ((xavi is off line right now but we'll set a time to have this discussion during the week)	[14:09]
	More discussions on some isues of tracker going on here... Next topic... LTD docs ... Sylvie has just left to the airport to pick up Rick, whc will be leading LTD docs during the TIki fest s/LTD/LTS LTS docs, I meant of course (for 6.x) Other things happening: general Tiki 6 bugs... Meeting up with Jquery team on Wed 2111 project intro by Brian ok, 10 o'clock meeting is over people are breaking up into individual discussions Also, we will need to come to a conclusion whether to kill Image Galleries with effect Tiki 7., Branching for TIki 7 will probably happen a little later rather than earlier (but still within expected timeframe), after teh tracker refactor work is more stable.	[14:26]
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marclaporte	nkoth : there needs to be a migrating script for image galleries to file galleries	[15:21]
nkoth	marclaporte: I see that is the blocker I suppose	[15:22]
chealer	everyone has arrived to the TikiFest (but marclaporte) :-)	[15:27]
ricks99	woo hoo. if rick is here, u know its a party :-)	[15:28]
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lphuberdeau	jonnyb: there is more about the Mysterious field type in the item file	[16:14]
jonnyb	aha... M for Mysterious btw, the loudness has gone downstairs	[16:15]
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lphuberdeau	ah, good	[16:19]
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robertplummer	all: When are you guys heading over to bbb?	[16:48]
lphuberdeau	separate groups now, bunch coding and not talking much, and a bunch talking in a room I do not see	[16:58]
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ricks99	is bbb today?	[16:58]
luciash	polom bbb.evocatio kicks me out - unusable	[16:58]
jonnyb	polom from the fest luciash	[16:59]
luciash	tiki.bbb.org is off ? hi jonnyb	[16:59]
daniam	anyone on bbb?	[16:59]
ricks99	live.tiki.org?	[16:59]
daniam	if yes: url pls	[16:59]
luciash	where should we go for bbb ? live.tiki.org is set up with bbb.evocatio... which always kicks me out of bbb after several seconds	[17:00]
ricks99	@jonnyb: which url for bbb?	[17:00]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r33372 10/trunk/tiki-register.php: [FIX] Invalid user error when registering email like "onstoppel@whatever.com" since "onstop" is filtered by default.	[17:03]
nkoth	http://tiki.org/live ? it's only streaming during meetings anyway I think so we keep bandwidth for other times	[17:04]
lphuberdeau	network is reliable, but a bit slow	[17:05]
luciash	nkoth: it redirects to http://bbb.evocatio.net/client/BigBlueButton.html which kicks me out after few seconds with messgae Logged Out [OK] The connection to the server has been closed in a popup dialog which is unusable for that reason can we use another bbb server ?	[17:07]
lphuberdeau	might want to contact etienne about the issue, I'm sure he'd like to know about it	[17:09]
luciash	i was trying to re-use http://tiki.bigbluebutton.org/ but that one seems to be off too	[17:09]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33373 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker_item.php): [MOD] Using handlers to lookup the data from the saved item as a default value when no request data is provided tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r33374 10/branches/proposals/6.x/tiki-register.php: [bp/r33372][FIX] Invalid user error when registering email like "onstoppel@whatever.com" since "onstop" is filtered by default.	[17:12]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r33376 10/trunk/doc/devtools/get_translation_percentage.php: global translation stats for i18n.tiki.org/Status	[17:28]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33377 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] trackers: Update empty multilingual values correctly instead of inserting duplicates (and failing)	[17:43]
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CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33378 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] Can't have two icons. Using the one that currently displays.	[18:14]
Trebly	<jonnyb> Hi, I have been without internet during 10 days. I have a problem with SVN and search the solution : Because I work slowly on many projects and enhancements, I have a lot of merged which are in fact conflicts. This generates a lot of work when automatic merge is set for all files, SVN conflicts detected are not frequent. My modification are generally not compatible with the merge... ...standard function particularly with css and tpl (as everybody can know) and some others php or js. So I think to write a "cmd" as parameter of svn : merge-tool-cmd but I don't know how to call the default merge. Probably you or somebody else uses solutions for these problems.	[18:15]
jonnyb	hi trebly - i generally use aptana which contains the collabnet svn merge tools (for eclipse)	[18:18]
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Trebly	<jonnyb> Thank's. I will install.	[18:20]
jonnyb	good luck - conflicts are horrible	[18:20]
Trebly	<jonnyb> The main confilct is because I have developped a rather different tiki.tpl (full css tables) and changed a lot into the css (quicker and smaller). And before everything is ready I can't commit on my branch. In another way my computer needs near 140s of CPU to generate a page, so I am installing a server which will be accessible with a dyndns, so anybody will be able to look at my... ...development before 1- use the branch 2- allow or encourage me to commit into main. The other problematic project is calendars there are a lot of little changes which crashes my work ...	[18:34]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33379 10/trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [FIX] trackers: Cookietab fixes (remove setcookie and smarty stuff - all you need now is to set the global $cookietab before handing over to smarty display)	[18:36]
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luciash	marclaporte: could u ask fred/anyone if we could still use tiki.bigbluebutton.org for BBB meeting ? etienne didn't respond so far	[18:49]
ricks99	ping changi	[18:53]
Trebly	<marclaporte> Did you receive my mail ? what do we do ?	[18:55]
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marclaporte	Trebly : this is a France decision you guys have to self-organize	[19:24]
Trebly	<marclaporte> OK, but who is a tiki admin in France ? In my idea, may I am wrong, but an admin is supposed to be aware of strategy and developments rhythm and contents, show and sometimes limit the path for coherency.	[19:36]
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marclaporte	you don't need an admin to organize a TikiFest but pkdille is an admin	[20:02]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33380 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker_item.php): [MOD] Move the category field to a handler	[20:07]
Trebly	<marclaporte> thanks. I will discuss with pkdille. Nevertheless I launch the ESIEE meeting (tikifest). What are the means to "send" information to French and more Parisians tiki developers and users ?	[20:08]
CIA-83	tikiwiki: 03luciash * r33381 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/resource.wiki.php: rollback of 31813 because it wasn't made optional and was breaking a lot of use cases... there was no activity done about fixing the issue (e.g. making it an option) as promised for more than 2 months tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33382 10/trunk/ (lib/trackers/trackerlib.php tiki-view_tracker.php): [FIX] Categories handler to work with the insert form tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r33383 10/trunk/lib/diff.php: No changes - coding style only	[20:13]
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