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chealeron behalf of the TikiPalace, thank you sylvieg ;-) [00:44]
ricks99+100
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lphuberdeaufrom the tower jail, thank you for letting us out for the dinner [00:51]
ricks99lol [00:52]
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r33496 10/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] trackers: move page selector field to handler (plugin/pretty tracker behaviour still to be fully tested) [01:29]
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33497 10/trunk/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [KIL] has no other occurences in the code [01:35]
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tikiwiki: 03chealer * r33500 10/third_party/jquery/treeTable/ (MIT-LICENSE MIT_LICENSE): forgotten rename in treeTable update
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r33502 10/trunk/templates/tiki.tpl:
tikiwiki: [FIX] div#tiki-center should contain all the center-column content (page-top
tikiwiki: modules were excluded but page-bottom modules were included, etc.; having
tikiwiki: everything in makes applying page-center styling easier, reduces redundant
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tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r33503 10/trunk/styles/ (6 files): [FIX] Redundant rules not needed for individual items (.share, .tellafriend, etc.) put into div#tiki-center; other improvements.
tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r33504 10/trunk/styles/coelesce.css: [FIX] Reattach column show|hide icons to columns.
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mlpvoltheya
i'm thinking of workspaces and profiles
is there anything special that would prevent a workspace profile from being created?
meaning a profile that makes a datachannel, and the datachannel makes the workspace.
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marclaporteproject management profile is a bit like that [03:48]
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chanelymHello [04:49]
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mlpvoltso is it possible to set up a datachannel via a profile?
yes its is almost all wiki of course. except for the actually defining it as a datachannel.
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marclaporteyes look at project management profile as an example [05:11]
mlpvolti see [05:14]
well if i have all the component pieces and the data channel handler exists then, well, will see about making this a this weekend project. [05:20]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: managing groups and permissions - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=40815 [09:48]
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shahid_You don't have permission to access /tikiwiki/tiki-admin.php on this server
can anybody help me i m facing this problem You don't have permission to access /tikiwiki/tiki-admin.php on this server
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r33505 10/trunk/tiki-accounting_stack.php: [FIX] Don't use sizeof use count instead - quality.tiki.org [10:34]
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shahid_You don't have permission to access /tikiwiki/tiki-admin.php on this server i received this message when i apply for comppany intranet profile. [10:38]
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r33506 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackeritemfield.php: '[FIX]TRACKERITEMFIELD: perm denied if not in an allowed group
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chealerpolom [12:51]
luciashpolom [13:00]
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RobertPlummerpolom all [13:10]
luciashlla molop [13:11]
RobertPlummerlphuberdeau: You up for a chat?
or whomever
luciash: Hey!
In the future we talked about writing a new type of parser for Wiki syntax in Tiki. And I've search (it feels like) the entire web looking for something comparable to Jison for PHP, But I haven't found as well built (and Jison is in pre Beta!). I think we may be back to server side javascript. That being said, has anyone ran across anything capable of doing that?
I found Esxx - http://esxx.org/download.html - But it is Java based, so you have to install it.
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luciashRobertPlummer: in the future ? hmm, u mean in the past, right ? ;) [13:16]
RobertPlummerRight, sorry
We talked about writing it possibly for 8, so both actually.
In the future (future tense) we talked (past tense)
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luciashwe cannot rely on anything java based [13:17]
RobertPlummerPerhaps I was talking about this conversation
lol
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luciash:) [13:17]
RobertPlummerExactly!
I just don't understand why there isn't a PHP language parser!
Or a javascript to php converter
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luciashthere is, xml [13:18]
RobertPlummerExplain....
I think this is what we are trying to do: http://sourceforge.net/projects/j4p5/
But it looks to be very slow.
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r33508 10/trunk/css/admin.css: [FIX] Duplicate definition - quality.tiki.org [13:20]
luciashi don't get exactly what parser means... earlier i thought: parser ? it's just bunch of regexps ! but then i learned, it has to be something with defined DTD... with some rules as XML is [13:20]
RobertPlummerluciash: A parser simply looks at something to determine what it is and how to use it.
There are all kinds of parser, we use tons of them in Tiki, what we want specifically is a "language parser"
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lphuberdeaugood morning
we can't use server-side javascript, no way that will run on shared hosts
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RobertPlummerlphuberdeau: we can if it is a php class. [13:23]
lphuberdeaugood luck finding one [13:24]
RobertPlummerj4php5
http://sourceforge.net/projects/j4p5/
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lphuberdeauhave never seen it, it is not updated in a year
and license is wrong (GPL)
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luciashso i am unsure how to write it... some years ago i suggested in tiki we could store whole pages "as-is" in pure xhtml (it's xml so it could be exported to anything easily using xslt) and do the parsing while editing the page (as opposite what we do now - "parsing" on page display) but that wasn't considered as good idea [13:26]
RobertPlummerI think what we can do there is generate a php equivalent to js, and possibly modify it to freeze the php, or output the php that it has interpreted the js from.
luciash: That is right, there are to many server side things that need to happen for that to be an alternative.
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lphuberdeauthe problem is mostly that the output depends on who sees it
there are user preferences at play and many plugins will use information that changes over time
oh, last project update was a bug report, last code change is in 2005
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RobertPlummeryup
scary!
Perhaps it is stable?
(loading it up)
If we just use the output of this thing, than there will be no need to put it in Tiki as a supported project.
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lphuberdeauI don't think it's a good idea to rely on a project that had a single author that is now gone
stable or not
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luciashlphuberdeau: eek
luciash hides
;)
well, i am not gone yet
and gary is a backup guy :)
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RobertPlummerYea, it's no good. [13:33]
luciashluciash points out on lite css [13:33]
RobertPlummerSo from this point, how do you guys feel we should proceed? [13:33]
luciashRobertPlummer: i really don't know [13:35]
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jonnyblast day 'fest poloms [13:36]
luciashRobertPlummer: i would probably start with making the tikilib kinda lighter and put the parsing functions in separate libs
hi jonnyb
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lphuberdeauyeah, moving everything parser-related outside of tikilib is definitely a good first step [13:37]
RobertPlummerI think so too, but which parser? [13:37]
lphuberdeauwithout changing the parser [13:37]
RobertPlummerI almost want to write a simple parser for Jison that parsed PHP from javascript, and write it all in javascript. That way, written once, done.
And because we have the javascript parser we can start to do some really cool UI stuff for the users
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lphuberdeauagreed, it would be nice [13:39]
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RobertPlummerlphuberdeau: nice as in, "cool lets do it", or nice like "That would be nice, also time-travel would be nice"? [13:40]
lphuberdeauI think we would need time travel to do it now or in a near future [13:41]
RobertPlummerlol
You have to start somewhere
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lphuberdeauit's just one of those things, server side javascript is gaining momentum, surely someone will do the legwork for us and in the future it will be more reasonable
the parser is too critical, we can't really rely on experimental javascript executing librairies for that
and as far as bison/jison parsers go, I have not seen any project in PHP that seem mature
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jonnybi missed the beginning of this conversation but we're not planning on doing any major refactoring of tikilib before 7.x branch, are we? [13:47]
lphuberdeauafter branching I would say
enough moving parts as it is
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RobertPlummerWe are talking about 8, possibly 9.
There is still a bunch of research before anything can even happen.
jonnyb: How is your blood pressure so close to 7?
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ricks99last tikifest day... :( [14:03]
CIA-83tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33510 10/trunk/ (30 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Moving classes to separate files [14:06]
lphuberdeaukind of looking forward to sleeping during the bus ride back home [14:06]
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jonnyb10 o'clock meeting at 11:00 ok? [14:24]
ricks99sounds good [14:25]
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r33511 10/trunk/tiki-calendar_export_ical.php: [FIX]calendar: wysiwyg + tiki_p_view_events should be enough to export an event [14:31]
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r33512 10/branches/proposals/6.x/tiki-calendar_export_ical.php: [bp/r33511]FIX]calendar: wysiwyg + tiki_p_view_events should be enough to export an event [14:34]
chealerjonnyb: well, we have to pick a time, don't we [14:36]
jonnybhow about 11:00 chealer?
and bring the frying pan :P
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chealerjonnyb: yeah, I don't see another time that would make more sense [14:39]
jonnybsuper [14:39]
chealerthe frying pan is the huge one? can do [14:39]
jonnybnot so huge - about 14" diameter [14:40]
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jonnybok, last meeting of TikiFestBoston7 starting any time now... [14:57]
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luciashjonnyb: enjoy
still no bbb i suppose
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chealerindeed [15:07]
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RobertPlummerI'm back! [15:08]
luciashindeed
:)
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RobertPlummerThanks guys for giving suggestions about the parser bit, I know it is not fun to talk about....
Switching to Bug smashing mode!
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ricks99Q: when creating a menu option, is there no way to use wiki page + strucutre? or do i need to use URL syntax? [16:06]
luciashURL syntax [16:11]
ricks99that's what I was afraid of :( [16:12]
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jonnybcalling unit 1 - there are a few extra sausages here if anyone's peckish [16:12]
ricks99how 'bout throwing them in the chili pot?
ricks99 thinking of lunch in a bit...
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jonnybgood plan - there are a few more spicy ones down there we could fry also [16:13]
CIA-83tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r33514 10/trunk/styles/ (4 files in 2 dirs): de-duplicate some css class definitions [16:14]
ricks99before everyone leaves boston, if any tikifesters want e-book copies of Tiki Essentials (the best selling tiki book of all time) just let me know... [16:17]
CIA-83tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r33515 10/trunk/ (10 files in 6 dirs): [MOD] trackers: Move freetags field to handler [16:22]
jonnybyes please ricks99 - how? via usb stick? [16:24]
ricks99y, i have it on usb (epub and kindle) come down any time [16:24]
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jonnybhmmm, will either of them work on mac stuff? [16:25]
ricks99epub will work on any (nearly) viewer - nook, ipad, etc. Kindle MOBI is Amazon specific
take both :-)
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jonnybsuper thanks, will do later...
ok, quitting now - need 100% brain
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ricks99no problem
@all: updated doc snapshots on http://tiki.org/doctwo+Revamp
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33520 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Action handler [18:22]
Tiki|botRecent Bug: Tracker item: #3823 - - trackerlist plugin with popup kills any browser - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3823 [18:32]
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Anchor tag not displaying correctly for one group - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=40816 [19:10]
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r33521 10/trunk/css/ (admin.css calendar.css cssmenus.css freetags.css metrics.css): reindent and remove some commented code on some css files [19:35]
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tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r33526 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_slideshow.php:
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tikiwiki: [FIX] Added css of header to anchors, so you know they are there
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RobertPlummerpolom all, have my commits went through?
My svn client is acting funny....
nm, I looked at the log...
they did
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r33527 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_slideshow.php: [MOD] Changed the styling for anchors to only be those found in slideshow (oops!) [20:22]
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tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r33529 10/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): [MOD] trackers: Move computed field to handler (missing file)
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Como criar RSS para uma página wiki - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=9&comments_parentId=40820 [20:44]
CIA-83tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r33530 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] trackers: move web services field to handler (pretty tracker broken) [20:51]
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CIA-83tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33532 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [ENH] Disable the calculated field by default and only allow to enable it when usage is attempted (intentionally not in admin panels)
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tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r33534 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] greaterequal and other comparisons doing only string comparison resulting in 11 being smaller than 9
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Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: I broke the link to the home page - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=40822 [23:04]
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tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r33540 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oops
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