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fsbano: alguma brasileiro por aqui ? :)
someone can help me?
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LordVan: chealer, i found the problem .. it was something stupid (no insert permission on the db for the user) .. although i only figured it out after doing a manual install of the db and the going to the tiki page
there i got an error message about not being able to delete something -> checked permissions
but the installer should really say something aobut this
there really should be some error message instead of a blank screen when *EVERYTHING* fails (the user only had SELECT permission)
it was my mistake, but i do consider this an installer usability bug
chealer: LordVan: ah. OK, good finding. did you check if there's a bug report on that?
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LordVan: chealer, not yet was going to but coffeee came first ;)
chealer: I think I see where the problem may come from. database errors are ignored in the installer. if it wasn't for that at least your problem would have been 10 times less bad. there's a good reason for this situation, but it should be done correctly.
coaboa: good morning tikiverse
LordVan: of course i found this after checking all permissions on files, etc ^ ^
morning
http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3717&show=view&reloff=19&cant=35&filterfield=26&filtervalue=install&trackerId=5
that would be what i experienced i guess
rather irritating to take that long to find something this easy to fix (as i said yesterday: it's prolly something stupid')
chealer: good night coaboa :-)
LordVan: chealer, shall i leave a comment on that bug/ticket about the problems?
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chealer: LordVan: ah, looks like someone already reported it indeed :-)
LordVan: well, there are really 2 problems, you could argue there should be a check for permissions too in a new report. but in any case you could add a comment that #3717 made things much worst for your situation yes.
LordVan: chealer, will do .. now .. do i have an account on tiki.org yet .. hmmm
seems like i got one ..
-: LordVan added a comment
LordVan: now .. for deciding if I'm going to go for tiki 6.2 or bitweaver 2.8 .. (gonna set a blog up for a friend and thought i'll try the newest shiniest releases maybe ;))
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coaboa: hi deavermann
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coaboa_: daevermann: back
chealer: still not in bed ;-)
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michaelb: Hello!
coaboa_: hi
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michaelb: Is it possible to add some fields to de personal information of tiki users?
coaboa: yes
michaelb: Now you can only pick realname, country etc
ok nice!
is there a module for, or do i have to adapt it manually?
coaboa: see: http://doc.tiki.org/User+Tracker
trackers are the "form and database" feature in tiki
michaelb: ok, thanks, i'll check it out!
coaboa: cu
michaelb: bye!
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coaboa: hi jonnyb
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jonnyb: hi coaboa
daevermann: so...
jonnyb: also hi daevermann - i understand you're thinking about setting up an experimental branch? :P
most of what you need it here: http://dev.tiki.org/SVNTips#Experimental_branches
daevermann: yes
thanks i check this out.
jonnyb: let me know how i can help - the main thing is to run the branchupdate script often - at least once a day when tiki's busy, otherwise you end up with a mess
also, it's useful to keep a record of the commits that really count, as doing the merge back is usually too slow (doing a diff of two separate online tikis) so it's quicker to apply what you've leant by hand in the end
daevermann: jonnyb: the explanation is quiet compact and clear, so i think i will get it to work
ok
jonnyb: i'm sure you can - let us know here when there's something to test! :)
it's also nice to try and keep this up to date: http://dev.tiki.org/Experimental+Branches
coffee #2 - brb
daevermann: aye
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chibaguy: polom
jonnyb: hi chibaguy - how's things?
coaboa: hi chibaguy
chibaguy: hi jonnyb. things are fine, with just a few distractions.
hi coaboa
jonnyb: are things starting to get back to some sort of normal over there? (i hope)
chibaguy: yeah, the 'new normal'. ;-) unneeded lights and escalators turned off, etc. people worried about food produced in/near the affected area.
Seems like there'll be a long, slow recovery in some ways.
If they get the nuclear situation under control, that'll be a big step.
jonnyb: all a bit scifi sounding
if?
coaboa: hopefully mankind is able to learn from that
chibaguy: yeah, I read that some of the emergency cooling measures, such as using seawater, cause problems in turn, and there are a lot of unknowns that have to be dealt with on the fly.
I'm sure on a technical level a lot is being learned, just as after previous such events.
-: jonnyb is happy to be working on Tiki
coaboa: not that much potential to harm people. But this will change with printed docs. 900+ pages could be considered as a weapon ;-)
-: chibaguy too
chibaguy: :-)
Have you guys made wikiplugin aliases much? I'm finding it not very intuitive (though not dangerious OTOH).
Tho maybe I'm just slow.
The doc page is not very helpful.
(Screenshot is not much good if you don't know why things are input as they are, etc.)
I understand simple ones that more or less rename a plugin and maybe add some content in the body, but the more complicated ones have lots of unknowns, to me.
jonnyb: sorry chibaguy - yes i managed to make a few
the interface is dreadful (partlty my fault)
i know what you mean about the docs too - what are you trying to do?
chibaguy: well, the interface is manageable tho a bit quirky. I want to extend the miniquiz plugin by adding more parameters. miniquiz uses a tracker to store quiz questions and answers. I'd like to add a "difficulty" field, for example.
But the alias interface has several "parameter" type sections and other mysteries.
I'll post to the dev list to see if anybody has a good handle on this.
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jonnyb: sorry again chibaguy - distracted by emails, not familiar at all with miniquiz but will reply to the list mail
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michaelb: hi
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michaelb: hello?
i created a tracker, and i want to add it to the personal infromation page
so i edit the template of the page, and added the tracker through plugin, but when i save the page remains white
{TRACKER(trackerId=>2, fields=>6, action=>Save, showtitle=>y, showdesc=>y, showmandatory=>y, embedded=>y)} The item was added successfully.{TRACKER}
jonnyb: hi michaelb - sorry not enough time to get into this fully - but it sounds like you should be using user-trackers which does this kind of thing for oyu
have a look at http://doc.tiki.org/User+tracker
michaelb: ok i'll check it out
LordVan: got a question for the tiki devs/users: what does make you use/code for tiki (instead of bitweaver for example)?
i mean from a users perspective the basic features are pretty similar
chibaguy: LordVan: From the users' standpoint, I'm not sure. I guess whichever does the job best for your site. From a developer standpoint, I think Tiki's much bigger and more active, which is important.
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LordVan: I do feel like tiki is more important and it seems to have more features - even if they r labelled experimental-
chibaguy: Actually bitweaver's approach in theory seems good to me, if the modular thing works, to reduce overhead etc., but I haven't tried it in a long time. Tiki's code/install size is not good imo.
LordVan: chibaguy, i do have to say that I had less problems with their installer cuz of tiki ticket 3717 ;)
and yeah i do think modular approach is nice
chibaguy: what is tiki ticket 3717?
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LordVan: Installer quiets errors in all database queries
took me ages to figure out that i just had missed setting DB user permissions
- only figured it out after manual install
chibaguy: oh
LordVan: i was just short of rm -rf tiki-6.2 ^ ^
(after like 2h frustration)
stupid mistake i made there with the permissions, but like impossible to debug with a blank page as result after pressing install
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LordVan: -- that after i re-compiled php with PDO cuz adodb gave me errors about not finding PEAR.php
and stuff
chibaguy: i see
LordVan: wow ..
chibaguy: about the modularity, I wonder now how much overhead is saved. I think feature files aren't so heavy really. What is heavy is the libs, etc., that are more or less global.
LordVan: du -msx tiki-6.2 bitweaver
111 tiki-6.2
66 bitweaver
standard tiki and bitweaver installs r quite different in size though ..
but i guess tiki comes with a lot more features by default
chibaguy: oh yes
-: ricks99 impressed that we now have nearly 200 subscribers to the tiki newsletter
chibaguy: well, disk space is cheap, is the rationale.
(re tiki's big install footprint)
I wish the page display overhead was lower, but the minifying helps.
LordVan: minifying?
chibaguy: minify css and javascript files.
LordVan: hmm
chibaguy: performance feature new in tiki 6(?)
LordVan: k
chibaguy: or tiki 5 i think, but a little buggy there.
LordVan: I do like how bitweaver seems to not use tables for layout but only div with css
ic
chibaguy: minify consolidates all css files into one and all js into one, and reduces file sizes.
Tiki mostly uses no tables, except in specific page sections, and these are gradually getting replaced.
I find small tables around some forms still, but the page-layout tables have been gone for quite a while.
LordVan: yeah - i'm not claiming i found a lot - just trying out tiki6.2 and bitweaver 2.8 ;)
-- for me personally bitweave has the advantage of postgres support (althoguh that is just a personal preference ;))
chibaguy: well, we wanted to have postgres support, but no postgres devs stepped in.
one guy for a while, but not far enough.
LordVan: yeah someone told me that on sunday
I'm tempted, but duno if i got enough time ..
chibaguy: too bad really.
coaboa: what is the main advantege of postgres over mysql?
chibaguy: (about general problem, not about you in particular)
coaboa, I think the ownership of mysql bothers some people.
coaboa: *advantage
LordVan: coaboa, some ppl like the fact that postgres is more standards compilant others r concerned about 'ownership'
back then before MySQL had stored procedures that was my reason for swapping ;)
coaboa: maria db could be used instead of mysql
ah
I switched from openOffice to libre office because of ownership ;-)
LordVan: i do find the name 'maria db' bit odd
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LordVan: coaboa, i know so did i ;)
also libre office has nicer icons on the start screen rofl
coaboa: I always have the carlos santana song maria maria in mind
chibaguy: :-) not such a bad thing.
coaboa: + yes the LO Icons are much cleaner
LordVan: bleh anyway since I'm out of time, have prev. experience with tiki and like you guys I use tiki instead of bitweaver for this blog (for a friend who'S going to india for 3 Months)
^ ^
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lphuberdeau: mariadb is no weirder than mysql, they are both named after monty's children
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coaboa: hi yonixxx
LordVan: lphuberdeau, monty? python? ;)
Yonixxx: Hi Coaboa, hi all
chibaguy: lphuberdeau: could Tiki run on maria db?
lphuberdeau: havn't checked, but most likely
I don't think mariadb is such an interesting project
LordVan: i don't think i can be bothered to install maria db on a server that has mysql on already
lphuberdeau: it's one service provider's fork of mysql
same with percona
-: LordVan finds postgres vs mysql a lot more interesting discussion than mariadb vs mysql ;)
lphuberdeau: although I do intend on checking with drizzle when I get some time, because that's a real project
chibaguy: i was just curious; maria is supposed to be compatible, but with extras or something.
lphuberdeau: yes, it's mysql with a few extra patches, there are many mysql distributions like that
LordVan: i did read the initial announcement but lost interest relatively quickly ;)
drizzle?
lphuberdeau: I've been following drizzle since the beginning of the project
it's not just a few patches
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-: LordVan can't remember what it is .. another fork of mysql?
lphuberdeau: they started off with the mysql codebase, but removed 2/3 of it from the start
LordVan: rofl
lphuberdeau: and they have been re-adding the features in a sane way since
LordVan: what'S the point in forking then?
ah ok
btw how is the facebook integration of tiki? since it's listed as experimental
wow I just downloaded tiki 6.2 tar.bz2 in 1.4sec on my server (10.4MB/sec)
:D
chibaguy: I forgot what the fb integration consists of. Some of the connect features, I guess.
It probably works ok.
LordVan: well i'll give it a try if not i'll be back asking ;)
ricks99: i think it is just tiki shoutbox to fb wall
chibaguy: oh, I thought it was shoutbox to twitter.
ricks99: could b...
LordVan: i thought it adds a share on fb button too?
chibaguy: yeah, i think so.
http://doc.tiki.org/Social+Networks
ah, shoutbox to twitter and/or fb
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Yonixxx: shoutbox is working for facebook (dunno about tweet)
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LordVan: well its not for me but the guy i'm setting it up for would like facebook - doubt he uses twitter
ricks99: adding a share button is pretty easy. i simply use the fb widget
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LordVan: ricks99, fb widget?
bitweaver seems to use ShareThis it seems
btw
noticed that when testing
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ricks99: in fb, there's a widget to create a like button for a page
i just dropped that code into my tiki
you can see it on "smarties"
LordVan: k maybe i'll look into this ShareThis thing though looks nice cuz it has different services
lphuberdeau: eek
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-: ricks99 likes addthis better than sharethis
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lphuberdeau: the one included in tiki just breaks javascript most of the time
ricks99: ping yonixxx
LordVan: lphuberdeau, what breaks js?
sharethis?
lphuberdeau: yeah, I've seen a few sites that had many random issues and just removing that option fixed it all
and because it's a third party non-open library that distributes from their server in a minified format, there is no way to fix it
plus, when you include a remote file like that, you bind your page loading speed to that server's ability
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LordVan: lphuberdeau, good point i guess
lphuberdeau: there are some cases you can't avoid, but that one, surely you can
LordVan: hehe
lphuberdeau, so what do you use to add a share on fb /twitter button ? -- assuming you or someone else wants it
lphuberdeau: I don't use it ;)
ricks99: @LordVan: are you looking for a FB share or FB Like button?
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LordVan: lphuberdeau, that's why i adde dteh assuming you .. at the end ;)
ricks99, well mostly share i guess
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ricks99: i use addthis.com. but it has the same (remote loading) issues. but i've found it much faster and more stable than sharethis
lphuberdeau: it's not like you need all the services, in the end, people only use facebook and twitter
LordVan: hehe
ricks99: get a lot of traffice from delicious and stumpleupon, too
LordVan: one other thing btw tiki-installer is now hanging after entering DB connection stuff -> white page (not like before where it was after pressing install)
*Argh*
;)
lphuberdeau: didn't yahoo discontinue delicious?
ricks99: yeah, but then the outcry from the community and i think its back
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LordVan: hmm got my tiki installer prob sorted
btw if tiki-installer can't / won'T write local.php in the db dir it also goes to blank page and dies ..
lphuberdeau: hmmm.. that should be caught prior...
LordVan: well in any case i just created the file -- for some reason my PDO isn't workign so i used adodb for now but that don't matter atm
maybe it was rather to do with pdo not working on my serve
r
tiki 4.1 is also running with adodb for that reason afaik
gotta see if i can fix that when i get time
man .. german admin panel always confuses me after i set language of tiki to german
i can'ät find a bloody thing
hooray for icons ;)
lphuberdeau: I get the same issue with french
LordVan: yeah u know your english names and then translation is there and u go .. err .. where's my XYZ setting gone to..
bleh i can'T find where i enable user-creation again ..
i mean user registration
where was that again?
ah under login ..
^ ^
lphuberdeau: you noticed there is now a configuration search?
LordVan: yes .. afterwards ;)
btw there's quite a few untranslated tooltips in admin parts
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LordVan: gotta go now .. cyas
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lphuberdeau: hmm... how do we even get to the page where we can comment on files in the gallery?
ah... comments galleries... not files themselves
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luciash: polom
hi chibaguy, found that on dev.t.o ?
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chibaguy: Hi, luciash, yes, I've been trying to use the same aliases in my localhost but haven't really had success yet. Short urls don't work on this windows box for one thing so I'll try at a remote server later.
I'll look at the bug tracker profile. it has a "bug" plugin alias that works here.
luciash: ah, ok, there's the colorbox ajax load alias too but about that one i am not sure if it uses any params or variables
chibaguy: ok, I'll have a look, thanks.
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chibaguy: Just uploaded tiki branch 7 to a server via ftp - 11334 files in a little over 3 hours ;-p
luciash: omg
chibaguy: Probably next month I'll move my sites to a server with svn support.
heh, well, I do other things at the same time as the upload.
luciash: :)
chibaguy: but that's a lot of files in any case.
luciash: wise move
jonnyb: chibaguy: is this a cpanel server?
luciash: better if ur server supports unpacking at the server
jonnyb: if so it's miles faster to upload a zip
exactly luciash
chibaguy: well, cpanel is installed but I don't use it. Yeah, that's a good point.
luciash: hiya jonnyb
jonnyb: probably 10+ times quicker
chibaguy: I wasn't really in a hurry, as far as that's concerned.
jonnyb: polom
luciash: i use cpanel with one of my ssh enabled hosting as well
jonnyb: i had to use a plesk contol panel - no unzip, so had to do the same with 6.x
luciash: chibaguy: it is not only about hurry, but there's better chance u will not lose any files during the upload
chibaguy: that's true. anyway, time to sleep and let my pc and lan cable cool off ;-)
g'night
luciash: heh, nite
chibaguy: don't forget to unplug from the power supply ;)
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test: what's the best chat solution to add to a tikiwiki based intranet site? Minichat is too small.
lphuberdeau: did you look at bigbluebutton?
test: I'm on a shared hosting account
lphuberdeau: did you try embedding minichat in a page instead of in a module?
documentation seems pretty good on that: http://doc.tiki.org/Module+minichat
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test: no - I'll try that, sound like what i need - thanks
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codyg: pollom all
I was wondering how to create a homepage for anonymous, so when a user logs in they get a different homepage.
? Does that make sense?
jonnyb: hi codyg - sounds like group homepages
sylvieg: use group home page - and an homepage for registered
:-)
jonnyb: :P
hi sylvieg
sylvieg: hi
jonnyb: pretty trackers have broken me today - not sure they're going to really work in 7.0 (so far)
i'm off to do something more fun (which won't be hard)
more tomorrow
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sylvieg: I di not have really the opportunity to test on tiki7.
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mlpvolt: hi folks, general query about user and group handler in profiles - can't seem to get a profile to apply a group (pre-existing or not) - does it work? (in 6)
also, when you "forget and re-apply" a profile - there is no actual forgetting, correct? - no data is ever removed, just re-applied.
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JoP___: help
i enable the Silent session
then i can't login anymore
how can i disable the Silent session
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JoP___: anyone here?
mheller: palom (or whatever it is)
mlpvolt: (answers own question) well it works better if you have groupS: in the YAML
JoP: (waves)
JoP___: how can i disable silent session?
i can't login now
mlpvolt: re: silent session, general procedure if a feature breaks tiki you can disable it by changing the database.
i am not quite sure what silent session is though - thats new to me.
JoP___: oh...can you tell me which table?
mheller: I reported bug 3843 against the 7.x head Monday and haven't made any progress. My full-text search is still broken. Is there a way for me to force MySQL full-text search with the DB, or a simple patch to the PHP to make it work again?
mlpvolt: JoP: tiki_preferences i think, but if it is a session related issue maybe just try from another computer.
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JoP___: there is silent session there
T.T
silent session = do not start session automatically
i tired from another computer,
didn't work
mlpvolt: JoP: just looked it up yes. i haven't got anything more to advise though - you tried to flip the switch in the database?
JoP___: i jux can't find the table which has silent session
=.=
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JoP___: what should i do
mlpvolt: i'm sure there is a database fix but i'm not the guy to answer the question.
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JoP___: do you have the contact information?
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JoP___: got it
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JoP___: mlpvolt
{DATATABLE()}{DATATABLE} {REQUEST()} SELECT * FROM Students {REQUEST}
how to use it if I have dsn name : Test and table name: a
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CIA-126: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r33845 10/trunk/lib/ (134 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Move preference defaults to preference descriptions, except for wikiplugins that need special handling and a few that were not moved to dynamic prefences
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mlpvolt: JoP: i'm away you might want to ask again about being locked out, others will have better suggestions.
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