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luciash | bolow
bolow L0ggar got an interesting nickname L0ggar got an interesting nickname :) :) | [00:03] |
Trebly | <luciash> and for everybody. Sorry if I have not participated to dev last month and to the test of 7.0 but my computer for dev needs 20s to deliver a page with 7.0, so it is quite impossible to work, particularly when we have to test. I had too, many others things to do at the same time, my productivity was near 0.
<luciash> and for everybody. Sorry if I have not participated to dev last month and to the test of 7.0 but my computer for dev needs 20s to deliver a page with 7.0, so it is quite impossible to work, particularly when we have to test. I had too, many others things to do at the same time, my productivity was near 0. I work on project management enhancement and other 18 enhancement that I could not be ready to end and commit for this version. I work on project management enhancement and other 18 enhancement that I could not be ready to end and commit for this version. I have missed the 5.2, 5.3, 6.2 6.3 and now 7.0 I hope to come with very good thing for 7.1x and 8.x. I have missed the 5.2, 5.3, 6.2 6.3 and now 7.0 I hope to come with very good thing for 7.1x and 8.x. | [00:05] |
luciash | Trebly: no probs, we all try to manage our free volunteer time
Trebly: no probs, we all try to manage our free volunteer time | [00:07] |
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Tiki|bot | New Forum Posts: No thumbnails when uploading zip-files - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=41113
New Forum Posts: No thumbnails when uploading zip-files - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=41113 | [00:49] |
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Trebly | <luciash> How can I get a 6.3 version from a repository to insert into my repository and use SVN to follow and test my enhancements (a 6.3x trebly) and commit to experimental branch created. May be I am not so experimented with SVN but I should have an url of the repository of 6.x even released. This because the 6x don't exist any more ?
<luciash> How can I get a 6.3 version from a repository to insert into my repository and use SVN to follow and test my enhancements (a 6.3x trebly) and commit to experimental branch created. May be I am not so experimented with SVN but I should have an url of the repository of 6.x even released. This because the 6x don't exist any more ? I hope during next month to some 6.3 enhancements and debug commit on this experimental branch. I hope during next month to some 6.3 enhancements and debug commit on this experimental branch. During the same time I will test 7.0 and try to commit (generally on the same topic) During the same time I will test 7.0 and try to commit (generally on the same topic) | [01:14] |
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CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34056 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_include.php: [FIX] include plugin: Better tool tip message (thanks again Lindon)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34056 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_include.php: [FIX] include plugin: Better tool tip message (thanks again Lindon) | [10:38] |
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CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34057 10/branches/7.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/codemirror_tiki.js: [FIX] codemirror: Stop the {code} listings from disappearing when you can edit the page. Not sure why it fixes it, but it does - Robert P please review?
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34057 10/branches/7.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/codemirror_tiki.js: [FIX] codemirror: Stop the {code} listings from disappearing when you can edit the page. Not sure why it fixes it, but it does - Robert P please review? | [11:15] |
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34058 10/branches/7.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/codemirror_tiki.js: [FIX] codemirror: Use height param
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34058 10/branches/7.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/codemirror_tiki.js: [FIX] codemirror: Use height param | [11:24] | |
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ricks99 | polom y'all
polom y'all | [11:37] |
jonnyb | hi ricks99
hi ricks99 far too sunny here to stay in - must get some outside :) far too sunny here to stay in - must get some outside :) | [11:47] |
lphuberdeau | g'morning
g'morning | [11:48] |
jonnyb | good day lphuberdeau
good day lphuberdeau | [11:48] |
lphuberdeau | I made two small commits on newsletters yesterday, any objections on them going in 7 at this stage?
I made two small commits on newsletters yesterday, any objections on them going in 7 at this stage? | [11:49] |
CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34059 10/branches/7.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/codemirror_tiki.js: [FIX] codemirror: Use textarea width and height | [11:49] |
ricks99 | hi guys | [11:49] |
CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34059 10/branches/7.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/codemirror_tiki.js: [FIX] codemirror: Use textarea width and height | [11:49] |
ricks99 | hi guys | [11:49] |
jonnyb | ok, off out
ok, off out bbl bbl | [11:53] |
CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34060 10/branches/7.x/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] codemirror: Use codemirror for comments
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34060 10/branches/7.x/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] codemirror: Use codemirror for comments | [11:53] |
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CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34061 10/branches/7.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [bp/r34050] Fix saving of newletter edition to preserve text version and wysiwyg flag
tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34061 10/branches/7.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [bp/r34050] Fix saving of newletter edition to preserve text version and wysiwyg flag tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34062 10/branches/7.x/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [bp/r34052] Make group inheritence optional on group subscriptions to newsletters tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34062 10/branches/7.x/ (6 files in 5 dirs): [bp/r34052] Make group inheritence optional on group subscriptions to newsletters | [12:52] |
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jonnyb | thanks for the backports to 7.x lphuberdeau :)
thanks for the backports to 7.x lphuberdeau :) | [13:05] |
lphuberdeau | would have done it for 7.1 otherwise
would have done it for 7.1 otherwise | [13:07] |
jonnyb | looks like good things for newsletters (they need more good things)
looks like good things for newsletters (they need more good things) | [13:07] |
lphuberdeau | yeah, some more coming, but those will really wait for 7.1
yeah, some more coming, but those will really wait for 7.1 | [13:08] |
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luciash | hi
hi | [13:36] |
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Guest19914 | welli welli welli then i am not firebird i suppose :D
welli welli welli then i am not firebird i suppose :D hi guys! hi guys! i am afraid i still need help with my blank screen after hitting the install button...? pls? i am afraid i still need help with my blank screen after hitting the install button...? pls? | [14:21] |
CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34063 10/branches/7.x/ (modules/mod-func-search.php templates/modules/mod-search.tpl): [FIX] search module: Put action buttons in a popup div (when compact = y) for use in topbar zone to reduce layout breakage
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34063 10/branches/7.x/ (modules/mod-func-search.php templates/modules/mod-search.tpl): [FIX] search module: Put action buttons in a popup div (when compact = y) for use in topbar zone to reduce layout breakage | [14:23] |
jonnyb | Guest19914: (firebird) - can you give us a quick reminder?
Guest19914: (firebird) - can you give us a quick reminder? | [14:24] |
Guest19914 | jonnyb: sure! i got tiki so far now that i get green ok signs just up to the point where i hit the install button, then just nothing happens anymore, blank screen
jonnyb: sure! i got tiki so far now that i get green ok signs just up to the point where i hit the install button, then just nothing happens anymore, blank screen i have so far manually set the memory variables in both php.ini to 128MB i have so far manually set the memory variables in both php.ini to 128MB unfortunately to no effect... i have absolutely no clue what could be missing, as apache's error.log say precisely nothing... unfortunately to no effect... i have absolutely no clue what could be missing, as apache's error.log say precisely nothing... could you pls help me out of this? :) could you pls help me out of this? :) | [14:25] |
jonnyb | this a fresh install? which version?
this a fresh install? which version? | [14:26] |
Guest19914 | jonnyb: clean fresh install, version 6.3
jonnyb: clean fresh install, version 6.3 on a celan freshly installed debian squeeze on a celan freshly installed debian squeeze | [14:27] |
jonnyb | and you get past the "connect to database" bit ok?
and you get past the "connect to database" bit ok? | [14:27] |
Guest19914 | that was installed just for tiki and the only thing i did yet was to implement ipchans and postfix
that was installed just for tiki and the only thing i did yet was to implement ipchans and postfix jonnyb: well i guess so, when i still hat php5-mysql missing i didnt even get a db list to chose from and it seems to connect properly but then after "install" -> big void jonnyb: well i guess so, when i still hat php5-mysql missing i didnt even get a db list to chose from and it seems to connect properly but then after "install" -> big void | [14:28] |
jonnyb | so it connects to the database ok - do oyu get a db/local.php created?
so it connects to the database ok - do oyu get a db/local.php created? | [14:29] |
Guest19914 | jonnyb: where to look for it?
jonnyb: where to look for it? | [14:29] |
jonnyb | in the tiki files?
in the tiki files? | [14:29] |
Guest19914 | sec pls
sec pls | [14:29] |
jonnyb | wherever you ran "sh setup.sh"
wherever you ran "sh setup.sh" | [14:29] |
Guest19914 | jonnyb: no local.php in /var/www/tiki-6.3
jonnyb: no local.php in /var/www/tiki-6.3 | [14:30] |
jonnyb | so which "install" button do you get to?
so which "install" button do you get to? | [14:31] |
Guest19914 | and nope i did not run setp.sh, should i have had??
and nope i did not run setp.sh, should i have had?? i do the webinstaller thing, when you navigate to the tiki folder with firefox and then follow the steps i do the webinstaller thing, when you navigate to the tiki folder with firefox and then follow the steps first comes if it can reach sendmai.bin an if there is a GD and stuff first comes if it can reach sendmai.bin an if there is a GD and stuff | [14:31] |
jonnyb | did you have a look at http://doc.tiki.org/Installation
did you have a look at http://doc.tiki.org/Installation | [14:32] |
Guest19914 | then comes to choose the db and the user and pwd for it
then comes to choose the db and the user and pwd for it then comes the install button then comes the install button | [14:32] |
ricks99 | @Guest19914: try manual install
@Guest19914: try manual install | [14:32] |
jonnyb | i'd try running setup.sh too
i'd try running setup.sh too | [14:32] |
Guest19914 | nope, i see that one for the first time right now, just a sec ill try to find the link...
nope, i see that one for the first time right now, just a sec ill try to find the link... | [14:33] |
ricks99 | see http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation
see http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation | [14:34] |
Guest19914 | jonnyb: ya ok, totally my bad...
jonnyb: ya ok, totally my bad... i guess i did this: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/movies/installation_60.htm i guess i did this: http://twbasics.keycontent.org/movies/installation_60.htm jonnyb: thanks for the hint ill thry the setup.exe path and will report back... jonnyb: thanks for the hint ill thry the setup.exe path and will report back... | [14:35] |
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Guest19914 | jonnyb: i got a question about this command here find [YOURDIR] -type d -exec chmod 777 {} ; doenst that mean that everybody who connects to that directory let say for example ftp can do inside there what ever he likes or not?
jonnyb: i got a question about this command here find [YOURDIR] -type d -exec chmod 777 {} ; doenst that mean that everybody who connects to that directory let say for example ftp can do inside there what ever he likes or not? | [14:45] |
ricks99 | should use 775 instead
should use 775 instead | [14:45] |
jonnyb | thanks ricks99
thanks ricks99 | [14:46] |
ricks99 | easy answers are my specialty
easy answers are my specialty | [14:46] |
Guest19914 | please dont get me wrong guys but to put such an advice on the page.... don't think that is a good idea!
please dont get me wrong guys but to put such an advice on the page.... don't think that is a good idea! | [14:46] |
jonnyb | which page? (you can change it - it's a wiki! :) )
which page? (you can change it - it's a wiki! :) ) | [14:46] |
ricks99 | actually, page, says.... "If your permissions are currently at "777", use your FTP client to change the files to "755". "
actually, page, says.... "If your permissions are currently at "777", use your FTP client to change the files to "755". " | [14:47] |
Guest19914 | yes it does :D
yes it does :D and gosh it still doesnt work... and gosh it still doesnt work... | [14:48] |
ricks99 | on some shared hosts, 755 doesnt work, so you have to use 777 instead :(
on some shared hosts, 755 doesnt work, so you have to use 777 instead :( | [14:48] |
Guest19914 | ricks99: pure suicide...
ricks99: pure suicide... | [14:48] |
ricks99 | did you create the db/local.php file?
did you create the db/local.php file? | [14:49] |
Guest19914 | yep there is a local.php in db
yep there is a local.php in db | [14:50] |
ricks99 | and it has the correct info? did the SQL generate your tiki database?
and it has the correct info? did the SQL generate your tiki database? | [14:50] |
Guest19914 | how do i recognize that?
how do i recognize that? yeah it does yeah it does | [14:51] |
ricks99 | go to your db (phpmyadmin) and confirm that the tables were built
go to your db (phpmyadmin) and confirm that the tables were built | [14:51] |
Guest19914 | and it gives me the creeps again that this is workld readable after following the instructions on the homepage!!
and it gives me the creeps again that this is workld readable after following the instructions on the homepage!! my good lord! my good lord! | [14:52] |
ricks99 | ?
? | [14:53] |
Guest19914 | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 521 Apr 21 16:47 local.php
-rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 521 Apr 21 16:47 local.php everyfreakinbody can read the contents of this everyfreakinbody can read the contents of this the file where the passwords users and db names are in :D the file where the passwords users and db names are in :D | [14:53] |
ricks99 | db directory is supposed to be 644
db directory is supposed to be 644 your perms are wrong your perms are wrong | [14:54] |
Guest19914 | not according to this: find [YOURDIR] -type d -exec chmod 777 {} ; it isnt
not according to this: find [YOURDIR] -type d -exec chmod 777 {} ; it isnt and saccording to 755 it is neither and saccording to 755 it is neither gosh gosh | [14:54] |
ricks99 | not *all* directories are 755 -- only the specified ones. rest should remain 644
not *all* directories are 755 -- only the specified ones. rest should remain 644 | [14:55] |
CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34064 10/branches/7.x/installer/schema/20110421_compact_search_in_topbar_tiki.sql: [FIX] search module: Installer update for compact mode when in topbar
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34064 10/branches/7.x/installer/schema/20110421_compact_search_in_topbar_tiki.sql: [FIX] search module: Installer update for compact mode when in topbar | [14:56] |
Guest19914 | guys i am really sorry to say that but this wiki confuses me more then it helps me...
guys i am really sorry to say that but this wiki confuses me more then it helps me... | [14:56] |
jonnyb | which page again, sorry?
which page again, sorry? | [14:56] |
Guest19914 | ricks99: the content of DB WAS 644 it is 640 now: -rw-r----- 1 www-data www-data 521 Apr 21 16:47 local.php
ricks99: the content of DB WAS 644 it is 640 now: -rw-r----- 1 www-data www-data 521 Apr 21 16:47 local.php | [14:57] |
ricks99 | see docs: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Installation#File_and_Folder_permissions only a few should be 777/75
see docs: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Installation#File_and_Folder_permissions only a few should be 777/75 | [14:57] |
Guest19914 | and that is EXACTLY hiow it should be because otherwise local.php is WORLD readable, that means EVERYBODY can read the passwords within
and that is EXACTLY hiow it should be because otherwise local.php is WORLD readable, that means EVERYBODY can read the passwords within | [14:57] |
ricks99 | if your db is built and your local.php is correct should be able to go to yourdomain.com directly
if your db is built and your local.php is correct should be able to go to yourdomain.com directly | [14:58] |
jonnyb | Guest19914: there's a .htaccess file in db that prevent http access (but not ftp, you're right)
Guest19914: there's a .htaccess file in db that prevent http access (but not ftp, you're right) that page should have a note about that that page should have a note about that | [14:59] |
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whatever | re, sry, dunno what just happened
re, sry, dunno what just happened | [15:00] |
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Guest17622 | ricks99: and jonnyb am i missing something or am i right?
ricks99: and jonnyb am i missing something or am i right? | [15:00] |
ricks99 | if your db is built and your local.php is correct, you should b able to access your site directly
if your db is built and your local.php is correct, you should b able to access your site directly | [15:01] |
Guest17622 | ricks99: unfortunately not i get this:
ricks99: unfortunately not i get this: An error occured while performing the request. Things to check: 1. Did you complete the Tiki Installer? 2. Is your database corrupt? Please see how to repair your database 3. Are your database credentials accurate? (username, database name, etc in db/local.php) Please see the documentation for more information. An error occured while performing the request. Things to check: 1. Did you complete the Tiki Installer? 2. Is your database corrupt? Please see how to repair your database 3. Are your database credentials accurate? (username, database name, etc in db/local.php) Please see the documentation for more information. | [15:01] |
ricks99 | how many tables are in ur db?
how many tables are in ur db? | [15:02] |
Guest17622 | and i'd say nope i did not complete the tiki installer cos i get a blank page there after hitting the install button...
and i'd say nope i did not complete the tiki installer cos i get a blank page there after hitting the install button... | [15:02] |
ricks99 | ricks99 thinks the db is not correct
ricks99 thinks the db is not correct | [15:02] |
Guest17622 | ricks99: 0,0
ricks99: 0,0 | [15:02] |
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Guest17622 | not a single one
not a single one | [15:02] |
jonnyb | can you see the database ok in phpmyadmin (for instance?)
can you see the database ok in phpmyadmin (for instance?) | [15:02] |
ricks99 | you need to build the db. if doing manually, execute the sql script
you need to build the db. if doing manually, execute the sql script | [15:02] |
Guest17622 | i dont have phpmyadmin i have mysql...
i dont have phpmyadmin i have mysql... ricks99: which one? ricks99: which one? | [15:02] |
jonnyb | you mentioned something about php5-mysql - you do have that installed right?
you mentioned something about php5-mysql - you do have that installed right? | [15:03] |
Guest17622 | tiki.sql i got it
tiki.sql i got it jonnyb: aye! jonnyb: aye! | [15:03] |
ricks99 | see http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation#Insert_tiki.sql
see http://doc.tiki.org/Manual+Installation#Insert_tiki.sql | [15:03] |
jonnyb | and do you have pdo?
and do you have pdo? should show up on your phpinfo should show up on your phpinfo | [15:03] |
Guest17622 | pdo? no clue, but will do a grep, sec pls
pdo? no clue, but will do a grep, sec pls | [15:04] |
ricks99 | first, let's get the db built
first, let's get the db built just curious, what is your enviromnent (wondering why the installer failed) just curious, what is your enviromnent (wondering why the installer failed) | [15:04] |
Guest17622 | jonnyb: erm... i dont even have a phpinfo ???
jonnyb: erm... i dont even have a phpinfo ??? hows that even possible? hows that even possible? | [15:05] |
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Guest17622 | ricks99: jonnyb i cannot quite follow yet what jonny is onto, would you both please agree on the procedure, so that i dont mess uPß
ricks99: jonnyb i cannot quite follow yet what jonny is onto, would you both please agree on the procedure, so that i dont mess uPß ? ? | [15:06] |
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Guest17622 | OK RICKS DIDNT GET THE MESSAGE HERE IS IT AGAIN:
OK RICKS DIDNT GET THE MESSAGE HERE IS IT AGAIN: opps sry opps sry | [15:06] |
jonnyb | sorry, Guest17622 - just a thought as to why the web installer didn't cooperate
sorry, Guest17622 - just a thought as to why the web installer didn't cooperate | [15:07] |
Guest17622 | ricks99: jonnyb i cannot quite follow yet what jonny is onto, would you both please agree on the procedure, so that i dont mess uP?
ricks99: jonnyb i cannot quite follow yet what jonny is onto, would you both please agree on the procedure, so that i dont mess uP? | [15:07] |
ricks99 | @Guest17622: see the manual install doc. basically:
@Guest17622: see the manual install doc. basically: 1. Confirm that your db/local.php is correct 1. Confirm that your db/local.php is correct | [15:07] |
Guest17622 | jonnyb: i would really like to know too but sry i dont have phpinfo
jonnyb: i would really like to know too but sry i dont have phpinfo | [15:07] |
ricks99 | 2. manually import tiki.sql and confirm that your db is correct
2. manually import tiki.sql and confirm that your db is correct | [15:07] |
Guest17622 | ricks99: yes i do confirm that
ricks99: yes i do confirm that | [15:07] |
ricks99 | 3. go to yourdomain.com
3. go to yourdomain.com | [15:08] |
Guest17622 | import?
import? like it is a mysqldump? like it is a mysqldump? | [15:08] |
ricks99 | it is a sql file
it is a sql file | [15:08] |
Guest17622 | ricks99: ermm... <-not a sql pr0... what do i do with that?
ricks99: ermm... <-not a sql pr0... what do i do with that? can i execute that? can i execute that? | [15:08] |
ricks99 | what managment tool are you using to work with your mysql database? phpmyadmin?
what managment tool are you using to work with your mysql database? phpmyadmin? | [15:09] |
Guest17622 | none at all usually i do connect with the mysql command, i do know a few basic commands like CREATE DATABASE, use [db] etc, show tables... but that is about it...
none at all usually i do connect with the mysql command, i do know a few basic commands like CREATE DATABASE, use [db] etc, show tables... but that is about it... ricks99: i would prefer not to have too many nicknacks on the server, i'd rather keep it simple and focused on the priorities, if you know that i mean... ricks99: i would prefer not to have too many nicknacks on the server, i'd rather keep it simple and focused on the priorities, if you know that i mean... -t+w -t+w | [15:11] |
ricks99 | something like mysql.exe -u DATABASE_USERNAME -p DATABASE_NAME < SQL_BACKUP_FILE
something like mysql.exe -u DATABASE_USERNAME -p DATABASE_NAME < SQL_BACKUP_FILE | [15:12] |
Guest17622 | ricks99: so it is a dump file, ok ill find my way into that, sec pls
ricks99: so it is a dump file, ok ill find my way into that, sec pls | [15:13] |
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whatever_again | wahts with teh connection?
wahts with teh connection? ricks99: now this is interesting: ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 5: Access denied for user 'tiki'@'localhost' to database 'tiki' ricks99: now this is interesting: ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 5: Access denied for user 'tiki'@'localhost' to database 'tiki' just a sec pls i gota check this just a sec pls i gota check this | [15:16] |
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whatever_again | ok i CAN connect to mysql with the user and the password so there s gotta be something wqrong with the GRANT PRIVILEGES stuff...
ok i CAN connect to mysql with the user and the password so there s gotta be something wqrong with the GRANT PRIVILEGES stuff... for the tiki db i mean... for the tiki db i mean... ricks99: ? ricks99: ? any info on what the permissions for the db need to be? any info on what the permissions for the db need to be? | [15:18] |
ricks99 | you need a user with admin perms
you need a user with admin perms pls see docs for details pls see docs for details | [15:20] |
whatever_again | ricks99: mhm i see, thx
ricks99: mhm i see, thx | [15:20] |
ricks99 | u might find this helpful http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Essential+Installation+Tips
u might find this helpful http://twessentials.keycontent.org/Essential+Installation+Tips use the same username that is in ur local.php use the same username that is in ur local.php | [15:20] |
JoernOtt | Guest17622: I did set up a brand new Debian6 machine, unpacked the tiki-6.3.tar.bz2 into /var/www, then I ran chmod -R www-dara:www-data /var/www
Guest17622: I did set up a brand new Debian6 machine, unpacked the tiki-6.3.tar.bz2 into /var/www, then I ran chmod -R www-dara:www-data /var/www after that I did cd /var/www && /bin/bash ./setup.sh after that I did cd /var/www && /bin/bash ./setup.sh after that I went to the installer page and got everything working after that I went to the installer page and got everything working | [15:25] |
whatever_again | ricks99: jonnyb JoernOtt allright guys this really was a tough one but we made it!!
ricks99: jonnyb JoernOtt allright guys this really was a tough one but we made it!! thank you gus so much: the database in mysql had the wrong permissions for the tiki user thank you gus so much: the database in mysql had the wrong permissions for the tiki user | [15:28] |
jonnyb | well done! any idea what the problem was - seemed much harder than usual
well done! any idea what the problem was - seemed much harder than usual | [15:28] |
whatever_again | somehow i musta messed something up when i manually created the db and the user for it...
somehow i musta messed something up when i manually created the db and the user for it... well the tiki user COULD connect to mysql properly well the tiki user COULD connect to mysql properly but then the permissions for the tiki db failed... but then the permissions for the tiki db failed... i made it GRANT ALL ON tiki.* TO 'tiki'@'localhost'; and that di the trick! :) i made it GRANT ALL ON tiki.* TO 'tiki'@'localhost'; and that di the trick! :) | [15:28] |
jonnyb | bad that the installer just "whited out" on you - i'll see if i can reproduce it
bad that the installer just "whited out" on you - i'll see if i can reproduce it | [15:30] |
whatever_again | jonnyb: agree but now that we know we can tell him who maintains it, right? :)
jonnyb: agree but now that we know we can tell him who maintains it, right? :) | [15:30] |
ricks99 | fwiw, one prerequiste before running installer is to have your db and db user already
fwiw, one prerequiste before running installer is to have your db and db user already | [15:30] |
whatever_again | ricks99: i DID, but the perms for the db were inadequate...
ricks99: i DID, but the perms for the db were inadequate... | [15:31] |
jonnyb | everyone just chips in here - especially in the installer
everyone just chips in here - especially in the installer | [15:31] |
ricks99 | docs state that db user needs admin perms to the db
docs state that db user needs admin perms to the db | [15:31] |
whatever_again | jonnyb: rly?? NICE!
jonnyb: rly?? NICE! | [15:31] |
jonnyb | it's open! :D | [15:31] |
ricks99 | ricks99 thinks it would b great if the installer created db & user | [15:31] |
jonnyb | it's open! :D | [15:31] |
ricks99 | ricks99 thinks it would b great if the installer created db & user | [15:31] |
jonnyb | do you code?
do you code? | [15:32] |
whatever_again | ricks99: yeah i know and actually i was under the impression that i explicitly had set those but apparently i messed tomthing up in the process...
ricks99: yeah i know and actually i was under the impression that i explicitly had set those but apparently i messed tomthing up in the process... | [15:32] |
ricks99 | no prob. welcome to the tiki community :)
no prob. welcome to the tiki community :) | [15:32] |
whatever_again | jonnyb: gnome is "open" too...
jonnyb: gnome is "open" too... and open-xchange is """open""" too and open-xchange is """open""" too | [15:32] |
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whatever_again | ricks99: hehehe thanks i feel involved already! :) | [15:34] |
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whatever_again | ricks99: hehehe thanks i feel involved already! :) | [15:34] |
codyg | a pollomy hi to all and good morning to PDT.
a pollomy hi to all and good morning to PDT. i now have three tikis. !! i now have three tikis. !! these cms's ar like rabbits. these cms's ar like rabbits. | [15:34] |
whatever_again | :D
:D i hope i got my first one now, lets see...*shiver* i hope i got my first one now, lets see...*shiver* | [15:35] |
codyg | 6.2, 6.3 and a week old 7
6.2, 6.3 and a week old 7 the 7 is here... techtea.ca the 7 is here... techtea.ca | [15:35] |
whatever_again | guys i got Congratulations here i guess we really MADE IT!
guys i got Congratulations here i guess we really MADE IT! hehehe hehehe | [15:36] |
codyg | I don't understand tiki-index.php for groups.
I don't understand tiki-index.php for groups. I did it in the seven, but can't figure it out in ver 6. I did it in the seven, but can't figure it out in ver 6. | [15:36] |
whatever_again | erm... Invalid username
erm... Invalid username what's wrong now?? what's wrong now?? | [15:38] |
ricks99 | what user name?
what user name? | [15:38] |
JoernOtt | whatever_again: The default user is admin and the installer should have guided you to change the password as last step
whatever_again: The default user is admin and the installer should have guided you to change the password as last step | [15:39] |
whatever_again | the one i connect to the db to?
the one i connect to the db to? | [15:39] |
JoernOtt | so, atm the password will be admin
so, atm the password will be admin | [15:39] |
ricks99 | @whatever_again: see docs
@whatever_again: see docs :) :) | [15:39] |
JoernOtt | nope, the password for the admin user inside tiki
nope, the password for the admin user inside tiki | [15:39] |
whatever_again | JoernOtt: well i executed this tiki.sql so there was no such last step...
JoernOtt: well i executed this tiki.sql so there was no such last step... | [15:39] |
JoernOtt | this has nothing to do with the mysql user
this has nothing to do with the mysql user | [15:39] |
ricks99 | initial login is admin/admin
initial login is admin/admin | [15:39] |
whatever_again | oh i see!
oh i see! | [15:39] |
JoernOtt | so, use admin/admin
so, use admin/admin | [15:40] |
whatever_again | just a sec pls
just a sec pls | [15:40] |
JoernOtt | and create an empty file named lock in your db folder
and create an empty file named lock in your db folder this prevents anybody of re-executing your tiki-install.php again this prevents anybody of re-executing your tiki-install.php again | [15:40] |
whatever_again | HELL YEAH I AM IN IT!
HELL YEAH I AM IN IT! hahahahhaaaaaaaaaa hahahahhaaaaaaaaaa thank you so mucho, gentlemen! thank you so mucho, gentlemen! | [15:41] |
JoernOtt | or maybe, as a second thought, just go through the tiki installer again and see if it is working now
or maybe, as a second thought, just go through the tiki installer again and see if it is working now | [15:41] |
whatever_again | JoernOtt: aye, doing it NOW, hehe
JoernOtt: aye, doing it NOW, hehe | [15:41] |
JoernOtt | just to make sure, you'll get the experience how it should be ;-)
just to make sure, you'll get the experience how it should be ;-) | [15:42] |
ricks99 | @whatever_again: I recommend the beginner's guide http://twbasics.keycontent.org <shamless plug>
@whatever_again: I recommend the beginner's guide http://twbasics.keycontent.org <shamless plug> | [15:42] |
whatever_again | JoernOtt: hehehe, well ok, you helped me i will of course help you, just a sec pls
JoernOtt: hehehe, well ok, you helped me i will of course help you, just a sec pls | [15:42] |
JoernOtt | ricks99: But a very good starting point, as well as your Tiki Essentials book
ricks99: But a very good starting point, as well as your Tiki Essentials book | [15:42] |
whatever_again | ricks99: also looks nice, thanks!
ricks99: also looks nice, thanks! wowowow! :))) wowowow! :))) | [15:43] |
codyg | yea!!
yea!! | [15:43] |
whatever_again | JoernOtt: Installation complete. Your database has been configured and Tiki is ready to run! If this is your first install, your admin password is admin. You can now log in into Tiki as user admin and start configuring the application. Success Installation operations executed successfully: 6558 SQL queries.
JoernOtt: Installation complete. Your database has been configured and Tiki is ready to run! If this is your first install, your admin password is admin. You can now log in into Tiki as user admin and start configuring the application. Success Installation operations executed successfully: 6558 SQL queries. | [15:44] |
ricks99 | i think it failed initially because your db user was not correct
i think it failed initially because your db user was not correct | [15:45] |
whatever_again | that was damned good teamwork! :)
that was damned good teamwork! :) | [15:45] |
ricks99 | though, tiki installer should have had better reporting
though, tiki installer should have had better reporting | [15:45] |
whatever_again | ricks99: his perms werent...
ricks99: his perms werent... | [15:45] |
ricks99 | something else to add to jonnyb's plate :-)
something else to add to jonnyb's plate :-) | [15:45] |
whatever_again | ricks99: well at least we know it now, right?:)
ricks99: well at least we know it now, right?:) | [15:45] |
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whatever_again_ | gosh whats with the networ interruptions???
gosh whats with the networ interruptions??? what server are currently on? what server are currently on? irc i mean? irc i mean? | [15:48] |
ricks99 | ?
? | [15:48] |
whatever_again_ | i want to connect with pidgin here i am dropping out of the server like every other minute...
i want to connect with pidgin here i am dropping out of the server like every other minute... | [15:48] |
ricks99 | freenote
freenote freenode freenode | [15:48] |
whatever_again_ | oh, i see, sec pls
oh, i see, sec pls | [15:49] |
ricks99 | prob on your end?
prob on your end? | [15:49] |
JoernOtt | I am on wolfe.freenode.net, this is where I got redirected from irc.freenode.net
I am on wolfe.freenode.net, this is where I got redirected from irc.freenode.net and the whole net looks quite stable atm, haven't seen any net-splits for ages and the whole net looks quite stable atm, haven't seen any net-splits for ages | [15:49] |
whatever_again_ | and the chanel name? tiki?
and the chanel name? tiki? | [15:49] |
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whatever_again_ | tikiwiki i got it
tikiwiki i got it | [15:50] |
JoernOtt | the channel is #tikiwiki
the channel is #tikiwiki | [15:50] |
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remoteCTRL2 | yaha here we go:)
yaha here we go:) its me whatever_again :) its me whatever_again :) | [15:50] |
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dcedilotte | Polom!
Polom! is there a way to determine which page I'm on in a wiki page? is there a way to determine which page I'm on in a wiki page? | [15:51] |
remoteCTRL2 | and here i got a few further questions already
and here i got a few further questions already the secure login, the https is that something that comes with tiki? i suppose not, right? the secure login, the https is that something that comes with tiki? i suppose not, right? i need to implement ssl myself right? i need to implement ssl myself right? | [15:52] |
dcedilotte | remoteCTRL2: did you check the configuration page of tiki? It already has SSL implemented.
remoteCTRL2: did you check the configuration page of tiki? It already has SSL implemented. | [15:53] |
remoteCTRL2 | dcedilotte: rly?? how nice is that??
dcedilotte: rly?? how nice is that?? so i just tell the wizzard here to force https and that was all i need to do?? so i just tell the wizzard here to force https and that was all i need to do?? | [15:54] |
JoernOtt | remoteCTRL2: you need to set up your apache ssl configuration
remoteCTRL2: you need to set up your apache ssl configuration | [15:54] |
remoteCTRL2 | JoernOtt: hehehe that is what i thought...
JoernOtt: hehehe that is what i thought... how can i change thislater? how can i change thislater? | [15:55] |
JoernOtt | if the apache is not listening on https, tiki won't be reachable there
if the apache is not listening on https, tiki won't be reachable there | [15:55] |
remoteCTRL2 | guess thre willbe some docs somewhere right?
guess thre willbe some docs somewhere right? | [15:55] |
JoernOtt | well, leave the ssl settings off first
well, leave the ssl settings off first | [15:55] |
remoteCTRL2 | cos i ogtta buy a cert first, i want an official one...
cos i ogtta buy a cert first, i want an official one... | [15:55] |
JoernOtt | ok, that'll take some time
ok, that'll take some time | [15:56] |
remoteCTRL2 | and i need it for the mail thing also anyways...
and i need it for the mail thing also anyways... JoernOtt: ok will do... JoernOtt: ok will do... | [15:56] |
JoernOtt | you can also go to a free group like CaCERT
you can also go to a free group like CaCERT or use self signed certs or use self signed certs but then your users get those stupid warnings but then your users get those stupid warnings Some providers offer certificates with only a littloe effort, but the verification of your identity for a really trustworthy cert takes some time Some providers offer certificates with only a littloe effort, but the verification of your identity for a really trustworthy cert takes some time | [15:56] |
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remoteCTRL2 | JoernOtt: i am painfully aware of all of that...:)
JoernOtt: i am painfully aware of all of that...:) JoernOtt: hetzner.de is my provider... JoernOtt: hetzner.de is my provider... | [15:59] |
JoernOtt | k, 1&1 does offer certs with some of their packages, hetzner I don't know so far
k, 1&1 does offer certs with some of their packages, hetzner I don't know so far A customer of mine uses a dedi server from them and the machine is OK, but I don't know the other services A customer of mine uses a dedi server from them and the machine is OK, but I don't know the other services | [15:59] |
remoteCTRL2 | nto included
nto included and pew they are expensive... and pew they are expensive... JoernOtt: i have had it for like 4 years now and i am actually quite happy with it JoernOtt: i have had it for like 4 years now and i am actually quite happy with it | [16:00] |
JoernOtt | yes, this is why I go for http://www.cacert.org/
yes, this is why I go for http://www.cacert.org/ | [16:01] |
remoteCTRL2 | i even had a gameserver and teamspeak on it but that was a long, long time ago...
i even had a gameserver and teamspeak on it but that was a long, long time ago... | [16:01] |
JoernOtt | this is a little bit better than self signed
this is a little bit better than self signed | [16:01] |
remoteCTRL2 | JoernOtt: is that some sort of "open certificate" authority?
JoernOtt: is that some sort of "open certificate" authority? | [16:01] |
JoernOtt | yes
yes | [16:01] |
remoteCTRL2 | :D
:D i see i see does firefox or thunderbird lament about it? does firefox or thunderbird lament about it? | [16:02] |
JoernOtt | but sadly, their certificates are not yet included in every browser
but sadly, their certificates are not yet included in every browser well, you can teach them, but it is a bit better than self signed well, you can teach them, but it is a bit better than self signed | [16:02] |
remoteCTRL2 | how bout winzigweich and mozilla?
how bout winzigweich and mozilla? joern well teach you also can a self signed one... joern well teach you also can a self signed one... | [16:02] |
JoernOtt | I know all that stuff
I know all that stuff | [16:03] |
remoteCTRL2 | JoernOtt: have a look at this: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/ssl/zertifikat
JoernOtt: have a look at this: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/ssl/zertifikat JoernOtt: i can see that;) JoernOtt: i can see that;) | [16:03] |
JoernOtt | Mozilla even declined Honest Achmed to be included as CA: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959
Mozilla even declined Honest Achmed to be included as CA: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959 | [16:04] |
remoteCTRL2 | Honest Achmed??:DDD
Honest Achmed??:DDD Honest Achmed's Used Cars and Certificates :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Honest Achmed's Used Cars and Certificates :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD nice try dude :D nice try dude :D | [16:05] |
JoernOtt | hehe, read the ticket, it is a nice ironic approach to what happened to Commodo and other signing authorities
hehe, read the ticket, it is a nice ironic approach to what happened to Commodo and other signing authorities | [16:06] |
remoteCTRL2 | on it*ggg*
on it*ggg* Achmed, and possibly his cousin Mustafa, who knows a bit about computers). :DDDD Achmed, and possibly his cousin Mustafa, who knows a bit about computers). :DDDD i schiff mi nieder :DDD i schiff mi nieder :DDD so absolutely nice! so absolutely nice! nil certificati sine lucre". nil certificati sine lucre". true true damned :D true true damned :D JoernOtt: gosh wha in the wordl did they set the thread to "invalid" ?? :D JoernOtt: gosh wha in the wordl did they set the thread to "invalid" ?? :D | [16:06] |
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jonnyb | dcedilotte: try {{page}} and feature_wiki_argvariable
dcedilotte: try {{page}} and feature_wiki_argvariable | [16:13] |
remoteCTRL2 | JoernOtt: one thing is for sure: that that is a pure politically motivated decision, cos IF they let this CA in, who would be stoopid enuff to pay for one then? guess they dont want to anger the money..
JoernOtt: one thing is for sure: that that is a pure politically motivated decision, cos IF they let this CA in, who would be stoopid enuff to pay for one then? guess they dont want to anger the money.. | [16:24] |
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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34065 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackertimeline.php: [FIX] timeline: Ugly fix for loading SIMILE lib problems | [16:49] |
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CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34066 10/trunk/ (31 files in 18 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/7.x 34027 to 34065
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tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34067 10/trunk/lib/prefs/search.php: [FIX] rollback incorrect manual conflict resolution in last "automatic" merge (r34066)
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chealer | polom
polom | [17:41] |
jonnyb | polom chealer
polom chealer | [17:42] |
chealer | hi jonnyb
hi jonnyb changi_: are you aware there's something wrong with Loggar? changi_: are you aware there's something wrong with Loggar? | [17:43] |
dcedilotte | jonnyb: I'm using that but how can I test against it to see if I'm on the right page?
jonnyb: I'm using that but how can I test against it to see if I'm on the right page? | [17:47] |
jonnyb | in javascript maybe?
in javascript maybe? use the {jq} plugin use the {jq} plugin | [17:47] |
dcedilotte | jonnyb: yeah, cool I'll try that. Thanks.
jonnyb: yeah, cool I'll try that. Thanks. | [17:48] |
jonnyb | or you can use smarty if your in a pretty tracker template
or you can use smarty if your in a pretty tracker template | [17:48] |
dcedilotte | Jonnyb: JQ will be fine. It's a simple check.
Jonnyb: JQ will be fine. It's a simple check. | [17:49] |
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dcedilotte | Polom!
Polom! | [19:17] |
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dcedilotte | Is there a way to configure tiki to not wait for me (or an admin) to aprove the changes I do to a wiki page where I use the HTML plugin? It gets annoying after a while.
Is there a way to configure tiki to not wait for me (or an admin) to aprove the changes I do to a wiki page where I use the HTML plugin? It gets annoying after a while. | [19:50] |
ricks99 | you could modify the plugin's php to remove the security check
you could modify the plugin's php to remove the security check potential security issue, of course potential security issue, of course | [19:54] |
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dcedilotte | ricks99: I thought of that but I decided against it.
ricks99: I thought of that but I decided against it. | [19:59] |
ricks99 | only thing i can think of
only thing i can think of | [19:59] |
dcedilotte | ricks99: thanks anyways.
ricks99: thanks anyways. | [19:59] |
CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34068 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackertimeline.php: [FIX] timeline: Prevent non-simile code from dying when trying 'year' as a scale, and add missing simile durations
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34068 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackertimeline.php: [FIX] timeline: Prevent non-simile code from dying when trying 'year' as a scale, and add missing simile durations | [20:00] |
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CIA-126 | tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34069 10/trunk/ (. lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackertimeline.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/7.x 34065 to 34068
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34069 10/trunk/ (. lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackertimeline.php): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/7.x 34065 to 34068 | [20:08] |
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epikos | Is there a known fix for geshi inserting / not processing html characters in the ckeditor properly?
Is there a known fix for geshi inserting / not processing html characters in the ckeditor properly? | [20:11] |
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epikos | I've searched all over the dev website and geshi websites and can't find any ideas
I've searched all over the dev website and geshi websites and can't find any ideas | [20:15] |
select * from user where clue > 1 gets turned into select * from user where clue &gt; 1;
select * from user where clue > 1 gets turned into select * from user where clue &gt; 1; | [20:20] | |
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lphuberdeau | geshi had very little attention over the years, primarily because it required an additional installation
geshi had very little attention over the years, primarily because it required an additional installation it might not play nice with WYSIWYG it might not play nice with WYSIWYG Tiki7 uses CodeMirror instead Tiki7 uses CodeMirror instead | [20:27] |
Bernard1 | Hi what is the equivalent of the wiki TOC (maketoc) in the ckeditor ?
Hi what is the equivalent of the wiki TOC (maketoc) in the ckeditor ? | [20:36] |
jonnyb | Bernard1: does {maketoc} not work? It use to...
Bernard1: does {maketoc} not work? It use to... | [20:37] |
lphuberdeau | There isn't any
There isn't any | [20:37] |
Bernard1 | i answer to myself… no need you can use maketoc :)
i answer to myself… no need you can use maketoc :) yes (i have to turn 7 times my keyboard in my mouth !!!) ;) yes (i have to turn 7 times my keyboard in my mouth !!!) ;) | [20:37] |
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epikos | I wouldn't mind using alex gorbatchev syntaxhighlighter but I can't find installation instructions
I wouldn't mind using alex gorbatchev syntaxhighlighter but I can't find installation instructions hmm actually it seems its a problem with the code module in ckeditor, not geshi. hmm actually it seems its a problem with the code module in ckeditor, not geshi. | [20:56] |
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jonnyb | ah, i should check that then, thanks epikos
ah, i should check that then, thanks epikos | [21:00] |
epikos | np. I'm using the latest stable tikiwiki on ubuntu 10.4, if that matters.
np. I'm using the latest stable tikiwiki on ubuntu 10.4, if that matters. | [21:00] |
JoernOtt|bbq | epikos: http://alexgorbatchev.com/SyntaxHighlighter/manual/installation.html, I guess you need to put parts of it into the customization tab on admin->loog & feel
epikos: http://alexgorbatchev.com/SyntaxHighlighter/manual/installation.html, I guess you need to put parts of it into the customization tab on admin->loog & feel | [21:01] |
epikos | Is there a recommended editor like TinyMCE or somethign that I can install to enable really easy wysiwyg editing and syntax highlighting? It's for a team knowledgebase, so it has to be very easy to use.
Is there a recommended editor like TinyMCE or somethign that I can install to enable really easy wysiwyg editing and syntax highlighting? It's for a team knowledgebase, so it has to be very easy to use. | [21:01] |
JoernOtt|bbq | but I bet it will collide with CodeMirror integrated in Tiki
but I bet it will collide with CodeMirror integrated in Tiki epikos, there is a real wysiwyg editor epikos, there is a real wysiwyg editor http://doc.tiki.org/Wysiwyg+Editor+Admin http://doc.tiki.org/Wysiwyg+Editor+Admin | [21:01] |
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epikos | yeah, i enabled that.
yeah, i enabled that. but as I mentioned above, if you use the built in code module, certain characters get rendered as html in the editor but as I mentioned above, if you use the built in code module, certain characters get rendered as html in the editor looks fine once saved, but makes editing the page a pain. looks fine once saved, but makes editing the page a pain. and some users of this wiki are less savvy. and some users of this wiki are less savvy. | [21:02] |
JoernOtt | as jonnyb said, he'll check it and fix it
as jonnyb said, he'll check it and fix it | [21:03] |
jonnyb | it probably shouldn't attempt to preview it, just show {code blah blah}
it probably shouldn't attempt to preview it, just show {code blah blah} jonnyb is having fun with timelines :P jonnyb is having fun with timelines :P | [21:04] |
JoernOtt | otherwise you'll have to program tinyMCE integration yourself and as we store wiki syntax in the database, you'll find out that the conversion wiki<->html is not that easy ;-)
otherwise you'll have to program tinyMCE integration yourself and as we store wiki syntax in the database, you'll find out that the conversion wiki<->html is not that easy ;-) | [21:05] |
epikos | lol ok. sounds like it might be easiest just to live with it until a future update. If it was easy to migrate to a different syntax highlighter or wysiwyg I was going to try that so I can get this wiki live sooner.
lol ok. sounds like it might be easiest just to live with it until a future update. If it was easy to migrate to a different syntax highlighter or wysiwyg I was going to try that so I can get this wiki live sooner. | [21:06] |
jonnyb | the "stay in wiki syntax" wysiwyg should be getting "finished" soon
the "stay in wiki syntax" wysiwyg should be getting "finished" soon | [21:06] |
JoernOtt | if I remeber correctly, we use CKEditor in Tiki and CKEditor and TinyMCE are equally good, so supporting more than one does only introduce more potential for bugs
if I remeber correctly, we use CKEditor in Tiki and CKEditor and TinyMCE are equally good, so supporting more than one does only introduce more potential for bugs | [21:08] |
epikos | yeah
yeah only curious :) only curious :) Is there a scheduled release data for Tiki7? I wouldn't mind trying CodeMirror Is there a scheduled release data for Tiki7? I wouldn't mind trying CodeMirror | [21:09] |
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