[00:04] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [00:38] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34494 10/branches/7.x/doc/devtools/release.php: [00:38] tikiwiki: [REL] merge the release procedure from release.php to [00:38] tikiwiki: dev.tiki.org/How+to+release [00:38] tikiwiki: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=How+to+release&diff_style=sidediff-full&compare=Compare&newver=0&oldver=118 [00:38] tikiwiki: Please review and improve. [01:49] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [01:50] *** goj|ghost has joined #tikiwiki [01:52] * ricks99 gonna try upgrading highly customized 6.3 -> 7.x ... here goes nothing [01:54] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:54] *** goj|ghost is now known as goj [01:57] New Forum Posts: New Danish language.php - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=13&comments_parentId=41287 [02:00] *** lorinc has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [02:08] hm... my custom headr & footer stuff from tiki6 l&f did *not* get converted to a module when upgraded to tiki 7 [02:11] rev 34494 [02:11] :( [02:18] and a bunch of my html plugins were un-approved :( [02:22] ricks99: the HTML plugin issue is listed on http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki7#Wish-list_for_8.x_or_not_fixing [02:23] (was previously listed as blocker, should be in release notes now) [02:27] k. saw something about it earlier but didnt remember [02:27] what about my custom header and footer stuff? [02:35] ricks99: there's a blocker related to that too, but I didn't have the chance to re-test that in the last month [02:36] it seems jonnyb needs help to find what's wrong [02:39] k. tx [02:40] * ricks99 probably staying on 6x for a while [02:58] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Quit: Get the best-selling Tiki books (paperback and ebook) at http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ricks99) [03:28] *** marclaporte has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [03:46] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34495 10/branches/7.x/db/tiki.sql: moving sql to be with similar (no functional change) [03:47] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [03:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [03:48] *** ThePing has joined #tikiwiki [03:48] *** ThePing has left [03:50] *** coaboa|afk has joined #tikiwiki [03:50] *** coaboa|afk has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:51] *** coaboa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:13] *** nkoth has left [04:29] *** xSmurf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [04:47] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34496 10/branches/7.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adding missing prefs for category-related features [05:03] *** xSmurf has joined #tikiwiki [05:14] *** Bernard1 has joined #tikiwiki [05:26] *** Bernard1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [05:45] *** Bernard1 has joined #tikiwiki [05:49] marclaporte: if you want to separate two parts of a string for translation, you need to call tra() twice [05:49] tra('Blog:').' '.tra('Force and limit categorization to within subtree of') instead of tra('Blog:'.' '.'Force and limit categorization to within subtree of') [05:52] *** Bernard1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [05:56] tks [05:58] any suggestion about the space? [06:02] *** xen216 has joined #tikiwiki [06:08] marclaporte: what? it doesn't need translation, just put it in between as the above shows [06:12] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34497 10/branches/7.x/lib/prefs/feature.php: Thanks Chealer [06:14] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34498 10/trunk/templates/remarksbox.tpl: [FIX] HTML special characters encoding [06:41] *** joerg has joined #tikiwiki [06:41] *** joerg is now known as Guest98992 [06:44] hallo, i hope you can help me. i use tiki 5.4 and want to upgrade to tiki 6.3 lts. for my users i need wysiwyg and a tabs - function. with the new version it is not possible to change the content of the tabs directly in the editor only in the plugin-window. [06:47] what is the future of the plugin-tabs. will the wysiwyg-editor be changed to work with the tabs inside or if there an new function with js\css wich makes the plugin-tabs obsolete. please excuse my bad english [07:08] *** marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:19] *** coaboa has joined #tikiwiki [07:19] good morning [07:41] *** Wilkins has joined #tikiwiki [08:05] hi coaboa [08:08] hi luciash [08:08] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [08:57] *** Merbster has joined #tikiwiki [08:58] Hello honored Wiki Users :) [08:58] I come here in search of clarification I have questions about the difference between Modules and Plugins and which gives me the most flexibility when customizing TikiWiki to my companies' needs [09:01] (I come here since I have not been able to find what I am looking for in the documentation) [09:02] Merbster: in short Modules are special "boxes" with various features which can be placed anywhere on side columns [09:02] luciash, thank you for answering :) - Ok. How do they differentiate from plugins? - because can't plugins do the same? [09:03] Merbster: Plugins are special wiki syntax code, which provide various features in Wiki Pages mainly, but can be used in fact anywhere in textareas throughout Tiki [09:03] Merbster: even in custom Modules [09:04] Ah so to expose some kind of plugins functionality to the user, one would use a Module? [09:04] Merbster: and there is also one Plugin, which can display Modules (even) ;) [09:04] Merbster: surprisingly it is called Module Plugin [09:05] Aha. Basically I need to render a Matrix structure in any type of Wiki page. so I guess the way to go here would be a plugin? [09:05] probably yes [09:06] it depends what you mean by "Matrix structure" and if such Plugin exists to suit your needs [09:08] luciash, I think it can also be called a "GridView" ^^ [09:08] But it's based on a custom datastructure filled out from data from ERP, databases etc. [09:08] ok, like a table of data ? [09:08] It's not just ONE table [09:08] it's a tree structure 3 levels deep [09:08] and it needs to be rendered in a "table structure" [09:09] but the placement of cells will indicate relations between data-fields. [09:10] it's like a checklist [09:10] Based on data from 3-5 different datasources... :P So I doubt anything can do this as it is very, very specific to our company [09:11] luciash, another thing, if I just use PHP to render the HTML, I can "ignore" the smarty engine... To keep it simple (since I have little experience with PHP and I want to keep learning new stuff to a minimum). [09:11] i see, you can create your own Wii Plugin pretty easily if you can code PHP [09:12] Coding PHP is "easy" [09:12] s/Wii/Wiki/ [09:12] I have an AP in computer science and currently studying a bachelor degree and I have 5 years of experience with C#.net... the switch to php is not that bad. [09:12] I can jsut see the complexity growing if I have to learn every nook and cranny of smarty too [09:12] here's about Modules (difference to Plugins, etc.) → http://doc.tiki.org/Module [09:12] that's why I want to "ignore" it so far [09:13] and just render HTML directly [09:13] here's about Plugins → http://doc.tiki.org/Wiki+Plugin [09:14] down there are links on how to create own Plugins for developers [09:14] under "Related Pages" [09:15] Cool. I will look at this. [09:15] and cross my fingers that nothing will blow up when I ignore smarty :P [09:15] you can pretty much ignore smarty in WIki Plugins [09:16] my humble thanks for your help luciash :) [09:17] np, good luck with writing your first Tiki Plugin ;) [09:17] hopefully I won't need luck :D [09:17] * Merbster gets more coffee [09:26] ok, another question, if my plugin is split across several files (I made a prototype I need to include it in the wiki now) Where should the fiels be placed? (I can see that the wiki-plugins directory only contains php files) [09:26] files* [09:29] ... looking at the file structure of the other plugins I would say I should put my plugin dependant files in the lib/ Is this a correct assumption ? [09:30] it's up to you, really, you have to call them (php include or whatever) from the wikiplugin php file... i'd suggest templates or files/custom/wikiplugin_foo/ (when your wikiplugin is named foo ;)) [09:31] luciash, I know how to include them my problem is the inner workings of the wiki :) and I want to do "best practice" [09:31] unless you use Smarty template for your Plugin, it doesn't matter [09:31] from the inner workings view [09:31] Ok. [09:33] bbl [10:05] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [10:14] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [10:17] *** xen216 has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) [10:33] *** chibaguy has joined #tikiwiki [10:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o chibaguy [10:33] polom [10:37] hmmm. [10:37] *** csb has joined #tikiwiki [10:39] Where can i find some information/guidlines about the *_info method of plugins? [11:07] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [11:10] *** jonnyb_i has joined #tikiwiki [11:20] *** jonnyb_i has quit IRC (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) [11:32] Merbster: i fear there is none other than viewing the code [11:33] Well.. .I see no overall structure so I am assuming I decide for myself what it returns and in what datastructure/format [11:33] :P [11:35] as far as it works ... ;) [11:38] tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r34499 10/users/chibaguy/trunk_themes/themes/mollio_tiki_trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] Mollio theme for trunk/Tiki 7. One theme option removed (Type H, fixed-width, made redundant by Tiki config option). In Mollio theme, all the standard site header modules go in Top module zone. [11:45] tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r34500 10/mods/trunk/themes/mollio_tiki_7/: [NEW] Mollio theme for Tiki 7. One theme option removed (Type H, fixed-width, made redundant by Tiki config option). In Mollio theme, all the standard site header modules go in Top module zone. [11:45] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [11:59] *** Guest98992 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [12:01] *** Bernard1 has joined #tikiwiki [12:01] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:03] *** carpasbo has joined #tikiwiki [12:57] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34501 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: [FIX]wiki: cache time can be redefined for a page [13:00] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34502 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: [bp/r34501][FIX]wiki: cache time can be redefined for a page [13:13] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:18] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [13:19] *** jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki [13:32] sunny poloms [13:32] *** radek82 has joined #tikiwiki [13:35] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [13:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [13:36] polom [13:36] hi marclaporte - just reviewing your release notes changes, all look good so far [13:38] looks like the main 7.0 blocker is this upgrade script to convert the custom l&f prefs to modules, i'm going to have "one more go" at it now... [13:38] thanks [13:38] ok, tks [13:39] everything else seems ignorable or fixed, i think... [13:42] *** nkoth has joined #tikiwiki [13:42] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:42] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34503 10/trunk/ (32 files in 14 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/7.x 34460 to 34501 [13:43] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [13:43] there is all the notion tracker field editable/visible .. that is missing in tiki7 - but it is not a simple job [13:43] *** Bernard1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [13:47] *** Bernard1 has joined #tikiwiki [13:48] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has joined #tikiwiki [13:49] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [13:49] sylvieg, it's kind of all there but some parts are commented out, I could never figure out where some of those variables were coming from [13:50] apparently it's not used so much because in all of the testing there has been, you're the first to report it [13:52] *** csb has left [13:55] I have some sites that use tracker field permission [13:56] * lphuberdeau looks on the tracker issue page [13:56] nope, not reported [13:58] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:59] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [14:00] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:01] yes, that's true [14:02] didn't get to that (perm testing) and to testing the various field options (ex.: notification e-mail is sent to this user upon change on tracker item) [14:04] i'm still getting a few email errors form my servers doing svn up saying "svn: No such revision 24042" - apparently from Zend but i'm not getting it locally - any one got any ideas? [14:06] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [14:19] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [14:20] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [14:20] Ok. I'm off for today, thanks for the help so far :) [14:20] *** Merbster has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:20] polom [14:20] y'all [14:20] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3891 - - If Watching All Wiki Pages, Disable Per-Page Watch - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3891 [14:21] I know that I can mail-in from email -> forum, anyone if there is a way to generate forum posts from an RSS feed? [14:23] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [14:24] ricks99: i think it's only articles that you can generate from rss, afaik [14:25] *** carpasbo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [14:25] any 3rd-party ideas? I'm experimenting with feedmyinbox (for rss -> email), then tiki's regular email -> forum feature. know of anything better? [14:26] not offhand - sounds feasible though [14:27] k. tx [14:28] BTW, ur copy of Smarties is on its way [14:30] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3892 - - LinkedIn Footer Link Broken - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3892 [14:31] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:31] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [14:33] tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34504 10/trunk/ (lib/wiki/wikilib.php templates/tiki-editpage.tpl): [FIX]wiki: cache a wiki page for any user (not only anonymous) when the wiki cache is only individual + display warning to the editor if he uses this feature [14:35] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has joined #tikiwiki [14:36] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [14:37] tikiwiki: 03luciash * r34505 10/branches/7.x/templates/tiki-browse_freetags.tpl: [FIX] Freetags: the clear button link onclick attribute needed "return false" to prevent going away from the page (while it just should clear the form input) [14:37] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:02] *** chibaguy has quit IRC (Quit: Find new themes for Tiki at http://themes.tikiwiki.org.) [15:07] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [15:08] hi ricks99 [15:08] hola [15:08] hi too :) [15:08] shalom [15:09] ricks99: any news regarding your wish to make it easier to update English text in Tiki? [15:09] nope. my wish remains the same :-) [15:10] ricks99: :) [15:10] ricks99: have you tried capitalize_buttons.pl? [15:10] ricks99: it works to update the English strings in all language.php as Marc mentioned? [15:11] * ricks99 not 100% comfortable running any external scripts. imho, it really needs to be much easier. [15:13] ricks99: I agree that it needs to be much easier. Probably the best solution is to switch to a key based i18n system (having keys instead of the English text in the source code). But while we don't have that we should look for a workaround. [15:14] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34506 10/branches/7.x/installer/schema/ (3 files): [FIX] modules revamp: Remove dependency on lib/setup/prefs.php and get modified prefs from the database directly. Should now reliably convert all custom look & feel prefs to custom modules. [15:14] having externalized keys is great, but then it becomes very hard to find specific templates (unless you know the key) [15:14] ricks99: yes, it is a trade-off [15:15] ricks99: anyway, I will check now some options with our current system [15:15] personally, i think it is ok... with the new module stuff (tiki7) and custom L&F areas (tiki 6) I rarely have to edit tpls [15:15] ricks99: it will probably involve a call to an external script as capitalize_buttons.pl [15:16] couldn't that be automated as part of the build? [15:16] ..part of the daily build? [15:16] ricks99: there is a daily build? [15:16] yup [15:16] http://dev.tiki.org/Daily+Build [15:17] that was my original suggestion... [15:17] let EN folks translate just like everyone else. and the lang/en/lang.php will be out-of-sync only until the next bulid/script run [15:18] but i dont know enough about the build process or automation of the script to know how difficult it would really be [15:19] ricks99: for now I'm looking for the fastest solution possible since I don't have much time for it. I don't about the build process and that is why I don't fell like integrating with it. on the other hand there is no point if I create a solution that you and others don't know how to use. [15:19] because it depends on a shell script or something like that [15:20] ricks99: do you know the basics to use a shell? [15:20] ricks99: copying and pasting a command and running it? [15:21] shell? like sea shells? ;-P [15:21] ricks99: :P [15:21] i realize that it isn't overy difficult, but my concern is that it will add another step to the process... [15:21] i'm hoping r34506 will have fixed the ongoing blocker issues with the custom code conversion to modules for 7.0 - can anyone (everyone) test this please? :) [15:21] what happens when I make massive updates overa a period of weeks, but forget to run the script each time? [15:22] i need to make sure that any/everything i do (or don't do) doesn't mess up anything for anyone else [15:22] ricks99: what I had in mind is that in order to do any change you have to use the script. so this risk doesn't exist. [15:22] oops, hold on, fails in installer/shell.php [15:23] @07odrigo_sampaio101: i guess i could try/demo/test the process [15:23] ricks99: I will think about it for a moment and probably later I will come back with something for you to test [15:24] great. [15:24] lphuberdeau: any idea why $installer->table() works in the web installer but fails in the shell? Class 'TikiDb_Table' not found in [...] /lib/core/TikiDb.php on line 271 [15:27] which version? [15:27] 7.x [15:28] presumably missing an include? [15:28] compare with trunk, you will see [15:28] which file? Bridge.php? [15:29] installer/shell.php [15:29] thx [15:29] autoload is not set-up in 7.x [15:29] for that file [15:29] ok, checking [15:43] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34508 10/branches/7.x/installer/shell.php: [bp/r34223][FIX] Shell installer did not have autoload [15:43] ok, seems to work ok for me - thanks lphuberdeau [15:44] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34509 10/trunk/lib/prefslib.php: [MOD] Adding the 'all' tag to all preferences, setting the default to 'advanced' for preferences that are not specified [15:44] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:47] looks like js minify is breaking preview (maybe more) on dev.t.o... running up to date 6.x by the look of it, anyone got any ideas what's changed? [15:48] * lphuberdeau has not looked at 6.x in a long long time [15:49] checking 7.x [15:49] i noticed a load of jquery.sheet and jqs5 updates went through last time i svn up'd my 6.x [15:50] jonnyb: interesting [15:50] 7.x seems ok with js minify on [15:50] jonnyb: I don't think anything "changed" though, preview has been unreliable for what, months? I would think since Tiki 6 [15:51] was ok on dev.t.o quite recently, i thought? [15:53] jonnyb: I never dug into it, don't remember where I see it but I think you may find the same in 6.0 [16:02] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3893 - - Preview Oddities - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3893 [16:04] jonnyb: although it could have been another instance that was fixed [16:06] for now i've switched off js minify on dev.t.o - found an error in the minified js file, but can't see how it's happening yet... [16:06] other *.t.o sites might need checking too... [16:07] that may be what Daniel reported here: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3592&show=view&reloff=22&cant=25&status=o&trackerId=5&sort_mode=f_41_desc&filterfield=26&filtervalue[26]=preview [16:09] could be 0 i thought doc was on 7.x now, no? [16:17] yes but that report is from October [16:28] think i've found it - a BOM in a JS file :( [16:29] jonnyb : is there a way to have BOM detection as part of release.php or quality.tiki.org? we waste a lot of time with that [16:30] fck editor's build tools had one, but i never managed to get it working inside tiki [16:33] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34510 10/third_party/jquery/cluetip/lib/jquery.hoverIntent.js: [FIX] Remove UTF-8 BOM from hoverIntent included JS file in third_party [16:34] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3894 - - Menu bar with search engine disappearing on the *doc.tiki.org* side - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3894 [16:35] in third party, no less [16:36] hmm [16:36] not sure how to backport it to 6.x as the external lib is fixed at an old revision, so it doesn't get updated [16:37] i'm going to try and commit the change manually, but in theory it shouldn't let me (i think) - lphuberdeau: any ideas how this should work? [16:38] not too sure [16:38] I guess you need to remove the fixed revision [16:38] or update it to later [16:39] but that would update the jQuery version and lots of other stuff [16:39] they are all in the same directory? [16:39] it's inside lib/jquery [16:40] messy... [16:40] i could just try committing it? (just the one file) [16:40] nah, not going to work [16:40] shouldn't do... [16:41] and creating a special 6.x version of the whole jquery lib seems like a bit overkill just to remove two bytes [16:41] can you tell "them" to fix? [16:42] it's an external lib inside cluetip which doesn't seem to be very supported these days [16:42] ok [16:42] (hoping jquery-ui will get their tooltip working soon) [16:42] added to wishes: http://dev.tiki.org/How+to+improve+the+release+process#Script_to_detect_invisible_weirdness_in_files [16:43] and anyway, it wouldn't get us round this fixed revision external issue [16:44] i could just remove the include of that file, it's optional and just makes the tooltips appear in a slightly nicer way [16:48] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:00] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34511 10/branches/proposals/6.x/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [17:00] tikiwiki: [bp/r34510][FIX] Remove UTF-8 BOM from hoverIntent included JS file in third_party [17:00] tikiwiki: (added as a new file in jquery_tiki/6.x_only to get round fixed revision on lib/jquery svn external) [17:01] ok, worked out a fix for 6.x (above) - not pretty but seems to work - how do we get dev.t.o svn up'ed? changi|away really away? ;) [17:05] polom [17:08] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34512 10/trunk/ (11 files in 4 dirs): [NEW] Adding dynamic filters to selectively hide/show classes or preferences (and reduce complexity), the preferences still need to be tagged (looking at you marclaporte) [17:08] jonnyb: yesterday he was really away, as usual :-) [17:10] chealer: ok, guess it's not urgent (as minify is now off on dev) but would be nice to test while i remember [17:10] I agree [17:14] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [17:15] perhaps the minify could kill those BOM in the process [17:15] yes, that occurred to me - but i hacked round it another way [17:16] sylvieg: thanks for r34501, I missed that [17:17] sylvieg: but what does does r34504 fix? [17:17] here is my bet [17:17] if there is no global wiki cache [17:18] only individual cache [17:18] I bet that the admin can cache only page that are the same for all the groups [17:20] sylvieg: hum, what do you mean? the admin can configure Tiki to do that? [17:21] yes there are 2 options - global cache and individual cache [17:21] if the admin wants only to cache one page [17:21] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34513 10/branches/7.x/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] modules revamp: Remove orphaned prefs and change warning on site logo feature [17:21] he sets only the individual cache and gives a cache time only for this page [17:21] ah, I think I see what you mean [17:22] before it was only dione for anonymous [17:22] in my case the site is only visible for Registered [17:22] so... I do not think it is risky with the warning I put in editpage [17:25] sylvieg: the warning reads "Cache only page that looks the same for all the groups able to see the page." [17:25] sylvieg: can that read "Cache only pages that look the same for all groups able to see the page." [17:26] will prefer this page [17:26] as it is an individual cache [17:26] sylvieg: how would you translate it to French? [17:26] cacvhe only the page if it looks... [17:26] sylvieg: OK, right [17:27] cache la page que si elle a le meme affichage pour tous les groupes [17:33] chealer: feel free to use a better wording - I am not gifted in En [17:42] sylvieg: I'll exercise my liberty [17:44] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34514 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_versions.php: [FIX] versions plugin: Add new line before default content so it gets parsed correctly (thanks ricks99) [17:46] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3895 - - Comments Edit - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3895 [17:50] *** _qP has joined #tikiwiki [17:50] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34515 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Never hide values that differ from the default [17:53] *** radek82 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:56] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34516 10/trunk/templates/tiki-list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] Double escaping (nbsp) [17:56] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3896 - - Preview Horizontal Scrollbars - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3896 [17:56] Recent Bug: Tracker item: #3897 - - Watch Object Tracker Descriptions - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3897 [18:02] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34517 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] HTML special characters encoding [18:28] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34519 10/branches/7.x/templates/comments.tpl: [FIX] comments: Stop comments box being "super small" [18:36] *** goj|ghost has joined #tikiwiki [18:37] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34520 10/trunk/ (10 files in 5 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/7.x 34501 to 34519 [18:39] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:39] *** goj|ghost is now known as goj [18:40] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34521 10/trunk/ (lib/prefslib.php templates/tiki-admin.tpl tiki-admin.php): [ENH] Usability improvement on how filters are applied on the search query [18:47] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:50] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r34522 10/trunk/doc/devtools/update_english_strings.php: script to change English strings in language.php files [18:52] polom [18:52] *** changi|away is now known as changi [18:52] jonnyb: should i switch dev.to ? [18:53] hi changi [18:54] tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r34523 10/branches/7.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [FIX]Autoclipping feature - Error in typo [18:56] tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r34524 10/branches/6.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [FIX]Autoclipping feature - Error in typo [18:59] changi: could we afford keeping the Tiki 6 versions running in parallel for some upgrades, like the upcoming dev upgrade? having for example old.dev.tiki.org [18:59] changi: we saw several issues after upgrading doc.tiki.org but we weren't sure if they were new [19:03] hi changi [19:04] i must say i'm worried about the trackers [19:04] didn't you set up devtest.tiki.org or something to do a trial run? [19:05] i'm onto other stuff now (and fading) so i'm not really around now... :P [19:05] ok creating devtest.tiki.org [19:06] just in order to not create an A record [19:06] i thought you already had (not called devtest maybe?) [19:06] just add the same IP address on your client [19:06] no time until now [19:07] ok, i understand (busy times!) [19:10] i'll have more time next month, one of my biggest project at work goes online next week [19:10] (I hope so) [19:11] tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r34525 10/branches/6.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [ROLLBACK] wrong branch commit [19:15] tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r34526 10/branches/6.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [ROLLBACK] wrong branch commit [19:15] * Bernard1 is having fun... [19:18] Bernard1 : congrats on finding the issue! [19:18] lol… Nelson ?? Marc is talking to yu i guess…. Shame on me ! :D [19:19] but hey i move the stone at least ! [19:19] Bernard1: you're yonixxx? [19:19] yes also ! [19:20] but i keep gender Male :D i'm in very good mood tonight… i need a strong drink [19:22] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r34527 10/trunk/lib/test/bootstrap.php: [19:22] tikiwiki: update bootstrap to reflect changes to $systemConfiguration (we to [19:22] tikiwiki: decouple the tests from the preferences system) [19:22] Bernard1: there was also a @ on the ob_get_level() line. BTW, if you're interested, svn can undo a change automatically [19:26] Oh right tks chealer ! how can i set it back without recommiting (i find out that removing the @ make the email listing for sending the newsletter appearing but i beleive there is a reason they are there) [19:26] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34528 10/trunk/templates/tiki-list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] File gallery title: "Files of $user" when viewing another user's files [19:27] Bernard1: well you would need to do a new commit. you can really cancel a change, you have to commit a change that reverts [19:27] yes chealer instead of another rollback undoing will be nice (i have to commit to proposal) [19:27] Bernard1: well you would need to do a new commit. you cannot really cancel a change, you have to commit a change that reverts [19:28] Mmm… not good them. I need to reset the file back (with the bug) and to commit in proposal [19:28] but tks anyway ;) [19:28] Bernard1: see http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.branchmerge.basicmerging.html#svn.branchmerge.basicmerging.undo [19:30] tks chealer [19:35] tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r34529 10/branches/6.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [ROLLBACK] wrong branch commit [19:42] Bernard1: thanks [19:45] kidding ? :) now checking out proposal to do the right commit [19:46] is there a way to purge actionlog ? [19:47] *** rtdos has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:47] devtwo has 614 Mo of data in action log, can i purge it ? [19:49] changi: action log could be useful for analysis possibly in future (I've done some of that a few years back). If you purge it, it would be good to keep a db backup/export of it. Perhaps you can purge by date? e.g. keep some [19:51] nkoth: it's possible [19:51] keeping 1 year should be enough ? [19:52] if you backup the rest (past years) in a backup/dump outside of the db, I think keeping 1 year inside the d is enough [19:52] is viewed action usefull ? [19:53] we have action log from 2004 :) [19:53] it could be, but if we have other sources of that, e.g. google analytics, it may duplicate that source. [19:53] (for view actions) [19:53] nkoth: yes [19:53] that [19:53] 's why we have a lot [19:53] :) [19:57] marclaporte: can we purged Viewed log in action_log table [19:57] marclaporte: ? [19:58] as for me, if we already have google analytics data we can purge the viewed log (but how long back we have google analytics data?) marclaporte, do you agree? [20:08] *** Gary_ has joined #tikiwiki [20:09] *** Gary_ is now known as Guest69663 [20:09] tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r34530 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/newsletters/nllib.php: [bp/34529][FIX]Autoclipping feature - Error in typo [20:10] *** Guest69663 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [20:11] *** Gary2 has joined #tikiwiki [20:13] Hi. I upgraded my instance of tiki from 6.1 to 6.3. The installation went smoothly and uneventfully. When it was done, I got my login page, but when I click the login button, I get a page full of generic, user-friendly error messages, but no details about what the error is. [20:14] If I log in with the wrong password, I correctly get an "incorrect password" message, so I am assuming the db connection is ok. [20:16] I have tried to register for the forums, but I never get an activation email [20:20] *** Gary2 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [20:22] thanks Bernard1 [20:24] Bernard1: BTW, that was a backport of r34523, not 34529 [20:29] nkoth: in fact viewed log started only in 2010 [20:29] is there a way to deactivate it ? [20:29] chealer: an idea ? [20:30] jonnyb: you can play with devtest.tiki.org [20:31] New Forum Posts: System errors after upgrading to 6.3 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=41289 [20:31] jonnyb: just put the ip of dev.tiki.org in your hosts file with devtest.tiki.org in it [20:32] sorry, not at the moment, can you do a little mail to the devels pls? more eyeballs would be better anyway [20:32] will try tomorrow a.m. [20:33] thanks :) [20:33] lot's of work to do [20:34] me2 [20:36] *** Bernard1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [20:36] changi: I had barely seen action log, but no, I don't see a way to clean [20:37] changi: although if you're asking whether it can be disabled, yes, there is an action log feature [20:38] *** Bernard1 has joined #tikiwiki [20:40] *** Bernard1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [20:40] chealer: with options ? or just on off ? [20:42] oh, in devtest tiki7, this feature is marked as disable, but it still logged everything [20:43] bad english, it's still logging everything (maybe better) [20:45] chealer: ok found it, [20:46] in fact it was not checked in the admin panel, but the feature was logging anyway [20:46] maybe a regressin [20:46] s/regressin/regression [20:50] changi: you're right [20:56] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34531 10/trunk/templates/tiki-admin_actionlog.tpl: [FIX] HTML special characters encoding [20:56] changi: it looks like it's been that way for a long time [20:57] changi & nkoth can you just make a backup of current action log table and let it start as empty? [20:57] if we need, we can merge back in [21:02] marclaporte: ok [21:05] chealer: shouldn't we add a test of feature enable before adding log ? [21:05] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34532 10/trunk/templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl: [FIX] HTML special characters encoding [21:06] changi: it's usually that way [21:07] changi: see for example http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/5968#file4 [21:07] *** xen216 has joined #tikiwiki [21:08] changi: looks like these actions were logged before actionlog was a "feature"... [21:08] chealer: i found the problem [21:09] commit in pipe [21:09] changi: looks like it only existed for the wiki before that [21:17] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r34533 10/branches/7.x/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [FIX] Don't log if feature actionlog is not enabled [21:18] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r34534 10/branches/proposals/6.x/tiki-view_tracker_item.php: [bp/34533][FIX] Don't log if feature actionlog is not enabled [21:19] how do I make a hyperlink to something that has [ and ] in it? [21:19] using HTML? [21:22] marclaporte: to be wiki parsed? [21:23] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [21:26] marclaporte: oh, didn't understand your question properly. for me a link to that works fine in trunk [21:26] [~np~http://www.inesss.qc.ca/index.php?id=65&user_inesssdoc_pi1[code]=FICHE&user_inesssdoc_pi1[uid]=878&user_inesssdoc_pi1[backUrl]=index.php%253Fid%253D49%2526no_cache%253D1~/np~] [21:27] chealer: tks [21:32] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34535 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: adding some tags to preferences [21:32] *** jonnyb has quit IRC (Quit: I am going outside... I may be some time...) [21:42] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34536 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: http://blip.tv/web2expo/web-2-0-expo-ny-clay-shirky-shirky-com-it-s-not-information-overload-it-s-filter-failure-1283699 [21:48] *** changi is now known as changi|away [21:49] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r34537 10/branches/7.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [21:49] tikiwiki: [MOD] Quick Edit module: remove parameters pastetext, enterdescription and chooseCateg introduced in Tiki 6 (r28084) [21:49] tikiwiki: These fields overlap with those in page edition. [21:49] tikiwiki: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.tiki.cvs/63827/match=28084 [21:49] tikiwiki: Sorry if this affects anyone, please speak up [21:53] *** lphuberdeau has left [21:55] *** _qP has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:58] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34538 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: paraphrasing Clay Shirky, it's not feature overload, it's filter failure (which we are now addressing) [22:09] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34539 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: paraphrasing Clay Shirky, it's not feature overload, it's filter failure (which we are now addressing) [22:09] *** Xen_ has joined #tikiwiki [22:10] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34540 10/trunk/lib/prefs/ (11 files): paraphrasing Clay Shirky, it's not feature overload, it's filter failure (which we are now addressing) [22:12] *** nkoth_ has joined #tikiwiki [22:13] *** xen216 has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:13] *** nkoth has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:13] *** Sug4r has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:13] *** nkoth_ is now known as nkoth [22:14] marclaporte: i think enterdescription would be useful for us... there is no other module allowing this. as of chooseCateg it overlaps with the choose category module, pastetext i don't know [22:15] luciash : I am not invoved in that (AFAIK) [22:16] marclaporte: oops, sorry ! it was chealer :D i thought it's you by the famous quote "please speak up" ;) [22:17] chealer: i think enterdescription would be useful for us... there is no other module allowing this. as of chooseCateg it overlaps with the choose category module, pastetext i don't know [22:17] hehe :-) [22:18] luciash: when you say for us, do you mean tiki.org or what? [22:18] *** Sug4r has joined #tikiwiki [22:19] chealer: me and my colleagues [22:19] *** Sug4r has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [22:19] *** Sug4r has joined #tikiwiki [22:20] as there is no possibility to enter page description automagically by tracker page auto-creation it is very useful to allow modify the description via module as it reduces need to open whole page edit session [22:20] just to add the description [22:21] luciash: do you know this module would only preset the description? it doesn't allow just setting the description for the current page. [22:21] or maybe i just misunderstood what it does [22:22] ah, ok, just preset, ok, not so useful then, i agree [22:22] my "speak up" is over, thanks ;) [22:24] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34541 10/trunk/lib/prefs/ (feature.php global.php metatag.php wiki.php): paraphrasing Clay Shirky, it's not feature overload, it's filter failure (which we are now addressing) [22:24] chealer: maybe it just reduces the need to switch tabs, fill description and save (one click save) [22:26] chealer: just curious: i personally think it wouldn't hurt to keep it... did you found out otherwise ? memory eater or some other disadvantage which have lead you to remove the params ? [22:26] luciash: I don't think this saves a click on save, the module brings to tiki-editpage.php [22:27] chealer: it saves one click in the process of editing the page (the clicking on the tab to switch where the description field is) [22:28] luciash: well OK, but if it's just that, that would be better addressed by having the description in the first tab [22:29] chealer: yeah, sure, +1 for that from me [22:35] luciash: I basically thought it wasn't worth the code weight and added complexity of 3 module parameters, unless it's really used. there were already 2 parameters about categories. [22:36] ok, i see [22:39] i don't know who uses it actually, maybe fabricius ? [22:43] if only we could know [22:43] I could be wrong [22:47] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34542 10/trunk/lib/prefs/ (feature.php feed.php global.php sitelogo.php): paraphrasing Clay Shirky, it's not feature overload, it's filter failure (which we are now addressing) [22:50] *** chealer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:00] tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r34543 10/trunk/lib/prefs/ (calendar.php feature.php): paraphrasing Clay Shirky, it's not feature overload, it's filter failure (which we are now addressing) [23:03] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [23:13] *** chealer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:20] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [23:20] *** chealer has quit IRC (Changing host) [23:20] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [23:40] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:51] *** Caarrie|away has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)