#tikiwiki 2011-05-25,Wed

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ricks99	looks like doc.t.o is bkac	[00:06]
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fabricius	yes ricks99 but itś a bit odd - seems as in the middle of a revamp	[00:28]
ricks99	there's a major re-indexing ongoing. other sites were down ealier today	[00:29]
fabricius	if you do not know the page names it gets a bit uneasy	[00:29]
ricks99	?	[00:29]
fabricius	I am not sure, but I think, that structures are broken somehow was agonising today, how to get the german translation in	[00:30]
ricks99	no. it is because some of the pages are in multiple structures. so, if you open the page without the structure ID, there structure drop down is emply --- you need to seledct the structue	[00:31]
fabricius	I would prefer just to use one multilingual structure - respectively one for each guide	[00:31]
ricks99	no. there's only a single structure -- simple translate the pages 1:1 dont make a new structure	[00:32]
fabricius	I know, but for example with the german start page (Documantation -> Documentation,de) ist seems strange it seems, that there is a structure with the same name than the page name	[00:33]
ricks99	there are 2 new (revamp) guids. I'd start with those: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+Installation+Guide&structure=Tiki+Installation+Guide http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+Reference+Guide	[00:33]
fabricius	I do not strat additional structures - want to keep iut simple and follow you, until I see s.th. to discuss have seen that I am agonising on a specific point at the very beginning of the documentation	[00:34]
ricks99	ricks99 can get back to tiki doc, now that Smarties is published :-) ah. i can't help with German, but ping me if you have issues	[00:35]
fabricius	the general stuff - all what you did send me today seems very clear it seems not only to be german s.th. with the structures is odd - very different than yesterday and all the last year	[00:35]
ricks99	structure is different than last year, yes. But should be same as yesterday. We started during TikiFest Boston But then, doc site is running Tiki7beta (I think) so things might be "flakey" for a bit	[00:37]
fabricius	perhabs I didn't realise it earlier on, because I work mostly in english the real problem is following:	[00:39]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders what the german equivalent for "flakey" is... seltsam ?	[00:40]
fabricius	depends on how you mean flakey - do you mean "unsound" or "undependable" seltsam would more be "weird" or "curious" or "strange" so flakey in the sense of undependable would be "unzuverlässig" and flakey in the sense of strange would be "seltsam"	[00:42]
ricks99	"undependable"	[00:45]
fabricius	but good point	[00:45]
ricks99	ooooohhhh "01unzuverlässig" I like that :-)	[00:45]
fabricius	so back to the structure ... in english version all would behave like you mention it but if I switch to german, then go to "all the documentation" you'll find a german translation of "Documentation" named "Dokumentation" sorry, delete the two sentences that are the startpages, thats fine I meant "Documentation+TOC" and it's translation "documentation,de"	[00:46]
ricks99	in the revamp, there wont be a "All documentaiton" structure the idea is...	[00:49]
fabricius	mom pleas I found that translation today and I had to realise, that this translation seems to be in a different structure than "Documentation+TOC" but multilingual structures is activated	[00:50]
ricks99	The Documentation+TOC structure is old -- prior to the revamp	[00:51]
fabricius	might it be, that Tiki translates the structure name aswell, if the page has the same name as the structure?	[00:51]
ricks99	the root of the struture is a wiki page named identically to the structure	[00:52]
fabricius	what I am wondering is, that the structure of the german page is clearly shown in the drop down menu, but does not exist in tiki-admin_structures so the structure name is translated aswell? looks like would explain	[00:52]
ricks99	I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand. You only need to translate each wiki page in the structure You shouldn't have to change or edit the structure at all	[00:54]
fabricius	ricks99: no worry, I did not do any different, I just found a previous translated page and I am wondering ... so in this translation there is a wikiplugin {TOC} - shouldn't this wikiplugin show the same pages than the english original? if available the german versions and if not the english versions?	[00:55]
ricks99	yes, if the site lang is DE	[00:57]
fabricius	And THAT'S the point -> this is not fitting together the translation only shows a fraction of the pages of the original hmmm I'll check, if the parameters are the same in the original than in the translation	[00:58]
ricks99	what page (url) are you looking at	[00:59]
fabricius	http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC	[01:00]
ricks99	that is the old structure it is not part of the re-vamp Try this, it will make things much clearer...	[01:00]
fabricius	I think so	[01:02]
ricks99	1. log out of doc.t.o (so that your personal prefs will not mix things up). 2. Go to http://doc.tiki.org/Tik+Installation+Guide 3. Notice that the entire {toc} is in English (the site default language). 4. Now, switch the language to French. 5. Notice that some of the pages in the {toc} are in French (others remain in English because they have not been translated yet). But it is all in the same / single / one structure does that make sense?	[01:03]
fabricius	dunno it makes sense and it work with german same than english err french only two things, I do not yet understand: 1) why is that different than with the old structure, where it should be the same 2) on the top of the page "Documentation+Toc" and so on you do have a "structures dropdown but on the Tiki+Installation+Guide the backlinks	[01:07]
ricks99	1) the old structure was created in 1.x and continually upgraded. In older Tiki, there was no "multilingual structure" feature	[01:11]
fabricius	ahh makes thing odd or strange or flakey	[01:11]
ricks99	01unzuverlässig :)	[01:12]
fabricius	and the startpage of the installation guide is only in one structure	[01:12]
ricks99	2) if a page belongs to multiple structures, and if you open the page from a URL that does not include the structure, Tiki opens the page with a "blank" structure. As we continue the revamp and move pages out of the old structure, this will no longer be an issue. Each page will be in only 1 structure	[01:13]
fabricius	so if thats all right understood now, I would think it would be the best generally allow only one structure per page for the documentation	[01:13]
ricks99	Things are still "in flux" right now	[01:13]
fabricius	ahhh that's very very good	[01:13]
ricks99	"im Wandel" ?	[01:14]
fabricius	Each page will be in only 1 structure - exactly my conclusion, so just take my +1 afterwords, even if I missed Boston and it would be too late anyway	[01:14]
ricks99	Are things more clear now?	[01:15]
fabricius	yes I thank you very much	[01:15]
ricks99	no problem. Thanks for the translations	[01:15]
fabricius	I was thinking in this direction, but somehow have been at the start of the detective work - just saw the mess in front of the house, while you and the others have been cleaning up inside since a while in flux: im Wandel or in Entwicklung ... Entwicklung would be development ... literally flux means s.th. like streaming	[01:17]
ricks99	Excellent. I think we're all on the same page now. :-)	[01:19]
fabricius	I think so aswell I did chat with Gregor a couple of times now on those issues he (we) was thinking to translate somehow better in the new structures How we (Gregor and me) could best enqueue in the doc revamp team not to mess up things? What would you suggest? do you take pages out of the old structures and rearange them in only one structure for each, so we could translate in the new guides just to understand your workflow	[01:19]
ricks99	intially, no. because we didn't want to "break" the exiting structure (remember, all the Tiki help links point to the existing/old structure)..... so unfortunately, we'll have 2 strucgtures (old and new) for a while, as we work forward.	[01:24]
fabricius	ok	[01:25]
ricks99	when we're "done" we'll edit the "old" pages in the "old" structuer and place a redirect to the new page in the "new" structure.	[01:25]
fabricius	so the new pages are renamed copies or completely new written documents?	[01:26]
ricks99	the new pages are completely new pages. we cut/paste content, as needed. again, i didn't want to risk "breaking" any existing links.	[01:26]
fabricius	I mean, do you mostly cut/paste all and just overview or do you mostly rewrite and cut/paste just a litle bit? anyway it seems most appropriate to translate only in the new guides I say we should make up a remarker, a not or a post-it for that just to prevent people to translate at the wrong side? would you agree? fabricius goes for a smoke bb in 5 minutes	[01:28]
ricks99	there used to be a custom center column... but it got "lost" during the upgrade i think.. ricks99 goes to get a drink...	[01:30]
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josha	is it possible to register users manually via a script easily? or is there some pre-fabricated way of doing that?	[03:01]
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josha	ricks99: no, i am integrating with a custom php app i have written. i want to be able to register remove tiki users based on actions in this other app ricks99: it looks like i can fairly easily just insert them in the db though ricks99: i was just digging through the schema and it doesn't look like there is anything special that i need to do really	[03:22]
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jonnyb	polom	[09:34]
	anyone fancy 7.0RC1?	[09:43]
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chibaguy	polom	[09:48]
jonnyb	polom chibaguy	[09:48]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb	[09:48]
jonnyb	any 7.0 blockers still for you? can't see any on dev.t.o/t7	[09:49]
chibaguy	No, I don't think so.	[09:49]
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fabricius	hi jonnyb	[10:02]
jonnyb	hi fabricius	[10:02]
fabricius	I am making up a new small site for one of our local groups - installed a while ago with 6.1 actually I am customizing the template a bit - itś just a short term solution based on our old design, because some stuff isn't clarified regarding to the new national design why not using 7.0 RC1 ? I have some database versions problem, I cannot get rid of - Tiki tells me that the db version is not fitting and I should upgrade the database, what I did three times yesterday	[10:03]
jonnyb	please do use 7.x, especially if you can use if via svn - that way you can easily update any fixes not sure i follow about the db "not fitting"	[10:07]
fabricius	I am still not familiar with svn -- too diferent for me -- I still believe, I would need s.b. to give me a hand for the first steps ah ... a sec please Database Version Problem -> Your database requires an update to match the current Tiki version. Please proceed to the installer. ...	[10:09]
jonnyb	and when you do you get errors, yes?	[10:12]
fabricius	yes plenty of them	[10:12]
jonnyb	you need to click the thing that says "show errors" and click the checkboxes of ones that are ignorable	[10:12]
fabricius	nearly 300 errors	[10:13]
jonnyb	can you put them in pastebin? 300!?	[10:13]
fabricius	285 actually	[10:13]
jonnyb	sql errors? where did this db come from?	[10:13]
fabricius	in the installer -upgrade dialogue It was a new db for Tiki 6.1 and I have just a bit content in it - building up new	[10:13]
jonnyb	i've never seen that many errors (since tiki 2 or 3 i think) sounds like something's gone very wrong can you paste them somewhere please?	[10:15]
fabricius	I had similar situations before, while mostly when I do a fresh installation or an clean upgrade I get 0 errors	[10:16]
jonnyb	at the moment i only get two, which were caused by the accounting stuff	[10:16]
fabricius	huh ... paste all the faults you mean? -> for some of the faults I must scroll down in the small boxes, guess most of them I do not need I could try to get them out and show tham on a html page or s.th. similar, then give you a link you mean like this? that you can see the error messages? or I take out one or two and paste them here [off]	[10:17]
jonnyb	copy the errors and go here: http://pastebin.com - paste them into the box and then paste the url back here?	[10:19]
fabricius	ok	[10:19]
	http://pastebin.com/qTuBvij2 cool website - didn know it - will use that more often, thanks	[10:26]
jonnyb	weird there are so many any with "already exists" or "duplicate column" in can be checked and ignored or "Duplicate entry" have you somehow changed your database manually? looks like tiki_schema has been emptied at some point?	[10:29]
fabricius	wouldn't they appear atthe next upgrade again?	[10:30]
jonnyb	no, one you ignore them they're added to the list of "already done" updates	[10:31]
luciash	polom	[10:31]
fabricius	moloq	[10:31]
luciash	my first coffee today	[10:31]
jonnyb	p.luciash	[10:31]
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fabricius	so you would not see any danger for me to continue using this database?	[10:32]
jonnyb	fabricius: if you can i would start again with a clean install - seems very odd that you have all there spurious errors	[10:32]
fabricius	ok that's a clear message it is no problem	[10:32]
jonnyb	well, if it's not something you did in phpmyadmin or something it just seems very odd - all those updates have been run, but it didn't remember somehow	[10:33]
fabricius	didn yet start with the content, but would have today	[10:33]
jonnyb	ok, weird - start afresh then	[10:33]
fabricius	so I do a new start thx	[10:34]
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jonnyb	so you're running 7.0beta2? cos 7.0RC1 should be out quite soon...	[10:34]
fabricius	I could start with 6.2 or 6.3, cause I need that little style template as fall back solution for anothe group - then upgrade directly to 7.0beta2 but if it would be any help for you, I could also start with 7.0RC1 today ah sorry mixed up the two versions other way round	[10:36]
jonnyb	up to you, feedback about both would be welcome :)	[10:38]
fabricius	start with 7.0beta2 today if you need feedback or upgrade to 7.0RC1 from 6.2 in a couple of days	[10:38]
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fabricius	Is there any style ported to 7.x already? I guess fivealive might be alright working on 7 ? I tried a 7.0beta1 some time before and at least fivealive seemed ok fabricius gets a coffee now, will brb	[10:40]
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luciash	anybody merging 7 to trunk or should i port my fix in 7 to trunk ?	[11:14]
jonnyb	hi luciash - you could do it :)	[11:19]
luciash	now i see it's already done fine if it was merged and i want to bp to 6 branch, do i specify rev number of the original fix in 7 or the rev of the merge ?	[11:20]
jonnyb	the more people that can do it the better it is http://dev.tiki.org/SVNTips#Update_from_Stable_branches it's the "fix conflict" bit that occasionally is a pain...	[11:20]
luciash	yes but now i need to know what rev num to specify if i am backporting to 6 from branch 7 and not from tunk as usual	[11:24]
jonnyb	use the original commit rev (in 7.x)	[11:28]
luciash	cool, thx	[11:29]
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qb	cheers, is there any way to make tiki able to parse camelCase, as for default it seems to work only with CamelCase (first char has to be upper)	[11:32]
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luciash	qb: i fear u'd need to modify the parser in lib/tikilib.php s/parser/"parser"/	[11:33]
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ricks99	polom y'all	[11:37]
qb	luciash, thanks, I will take closer look there	[11:37]
jonnyb	hi ricks99	[11:37]
luciash	heya ricks99	[11:37]
ricks99	anyone see the email I sent yesterday... regarding the problem with "&" in menu URLs (on doc.t.o)	[11:37]
luciash	someone switched off fulltext search on doc ? i saw that ricks99	[11:38]
jonnyb	ricks99: sounds like chealer's department to me :P	[11:39]
ricks99	can that be fixed before rc ? kinda major issue? ricks99 thought it was a jonnyb-issue :-)	[11:39]
luciash	chealer's escaping unit	[11:39]
jonnyb	:)	[11:39]
luciash	or squad ? ;)	[11:39]
ricks99	i' i'll add to dev.t.o/tiki7 page, i guess	[11:40]
luciash	ricks99: i also have something to edit tehre, editing it now ? s/tehre/there/	[11:41]
ricks99	no. go ahead. in fact, you can add my item if you want	[11:41]
jonnyb	ricks99: i'm not getting & escaped on my menu item here, neither the url (correct) nor the label (incorrect)	[11:44]
ricks99	on an upgrade?	[11:45]
jonnyb	no, just added a new one	[11:45]
ricks99	ricks99 wonders what is differnt on doc.t.o then its an upgrade issue	[11:45]
luciash	does this work for you ? → http://themes.tiki.org/Themes?find=theme&search=Search&exact_match=#	[11:46]
jonnyb	maybe the pref menus_item_names_raw is on there (off here)	[11:46]
luciash	in Chrome	[11:46]
ricks99	checking....but then it wouldn't have worked in 6	[11:46]
luciash	pls if u can test	[11:46]
jonnyb	luciash: not showing any search results for me	[11:46]
luciash	jonnyb: can u reinput in the search field and hit enter ?	[11:47]
ricks99	@jonnyb: y, it was off, turning on & checking	[11:47]
jonnyb	yes, and it posts ok, but no results page	[11:47]
luciash	jonnyb: that's the issue i meantioned for doc, but on doc it had changed in the meanwhile to tiki-searchindex search which works jonnyb: i meantioned on the Tiki7 page	[11:48]
ricks99	@jonnyb: nope, still broken (on upgrade) a blocker (imho)	[11:48]
jonnyb	they should both be using the new unified search thing now, no?	[11:48]
luciash	i think mysql fulltext search is the thing which is off now on doc	[11:48]
jonnyb	that should be off now, i thought	[11:49]
luciash	yep, but it wasn't on the upgrade causing this search disfunction which is now reproducible on themes	[11:49]
jonnyb	checking settings on themes	[11:49]
luciash	it is completely weird issue to me as gary told me yesterday it worked for him in Opera in any case	[11:50]
jonnyb	looks right, maybe the index needs rebuiling - shall i click it? rebuilding	[11:50]
luciash	mysql fulltext is off on themes ?	[11:50]
jonnyb	yup	[11:50]
chibaguy	still tracking down the search problem? very mysterious	[11:50]
jonnyb	works when logged in for me but as anon i don't get the "search" "titles" buttons of the autocomplete list	[11:52]
luciash	jonnyb: also weird is on my localhost the buttons pop-up if i input something in the field and autocomplete works, but not on themes	[11:53]
jonnyb	as anonymous?	[11:53]
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luciash	as anoynmous on themes on localhost i didn't try as anonymous, just a mom	[11:53]
jonnyb	same on doc - ok logged in, bad as anon fine locally though	[11:54]
luciash	on localhost branch 7 it works for me as anonymous fine sends me to http://localhost/tikibranch7/tiki-searchresults.php?find=test&boolean=on&boolean_last=y&search=Search&exact_match= though so my fulltextsearch seems on searchresults means mysql fulltext search, right ?	[11:55]
jonnyb	i got sent to tiki-searchindex.php on localhost, my fulltext search is off yup	[11:56]
luciash	okie, so it seems to work fine for both cases on our localhosts so is something breaking JS for it in between ? is the search completely JS dependent now ? i mean, shouldn't the search input field work even by hitting just enter on the field with JS off (extreme cases) ?	[11:56]
jonnyb	no, the form should work without js still isn't there a list pages perm? can't see one on themes (tiki_p_search is ok for anon there)	[11:58]
luciash	so i wonder, why in the anon case on themes, it doesn't do action on the form sending to tiki-searchindex.php, but uses only the ?... part on the currently presented page instead ?	[11:59]
jonnyb	and the same on doc.t.o maybe more coffee will help... brb	[11:59]
luciash	by the "?... part" i mean the "?find=theme&search=Search&exact_match=#" yep, might be :D ricks99: sorry, didn't get to the Tiki7 page editing yet ;) bbl	[12:00]
chibaguy	luciash (when you are back), I don't know what you mean by "it doesn't do action on the form sending to tiki-searchindex.php..." I get search results on tiki-searchindex.php when searching as anon at themes. Is that different from your experience?	[12:02]
luciash	re :) chibaguy: yes, me (and jonny) has different experience with WebKit browsers chibaguy: it works for you on enter key in Opera, right ?	[12:02]
chibaguy	yes btw, I just found at themes.t.o I forgot the closing {DIV} in the footer module. that' why the php error about smarty tag (bad copy/paste).	[12:07]
jonnyb	error gone now chibaguy - ta	[12:09]
luciash	chibaguy: ah, good catch luciash added something to https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki7#Demonstratable_bugs	[12:09]
Utopiah	hi #tikiwiki	[12:21]
jonnyb	hi Utopiah	[12:21]
Utopiah	so I just watched FLOSSS Weekly #146 with Marc Laporte wanting to know what tikiwiki is all about	[12:21]
jonnyb	luciash: i'm geting the same search problem on themes.t.o in firefox	[12:21]
Utopiah	I know a bit about wikis and have been using PmWiki for few years	[12:22]
jonnyb	Utopiah: i still haven't got round to watching that - oops! :P	[12:22]
Utopiah	so ... would it be fair to say it's a knowledge management web "distribution"? jonnyb: well...it's a bit long :-#	[12:22]
jonnyb	i gave up during the guy's intro - he went on for ages!	[12:23]
ricks99	Tiki is (IMHO) a wiki-based CMS. How's that? Short and sweet	[12:23]
luciash	Utopiah: Tiki can be almost anything u can imagine running in your browser window	[12:23]
Utopiah	ricks99: yes but I have to compare it a bit with what I know and for example PmWiki is minimalist,there is the bare diff and few options then the rest is delegated to plugins jonnyb: right, you can skip to min5 or sth	[12:23]
jonnyb	jonnyb hopes someone's taking notes for the new exhibition stand banner wording	[12:24]
ricks99	@Utophiah: If you want to compare just the wiki functionality, try wikimatrix.org But Tiki is (much) more than "just" a wiki	[12:24]
Utopiah	ricks99: well according to the interview that wouldnt be useful since it has everything built-in ;) (reading http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World )	[12:25]
luciash	Utopiah: that's for devs if you want to join us ;)	[12:29]
Utopiah	luciash: yes, well I dont know yet that's why Im asking those questions :p	[12:29]
jonnyb	looks like the search module issue is caused by the cacheing - set it to 0 on themes and it seems to work now...	[12:31]
CIA-87	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34605 10/branches/7.x/templates/tiki-user_cssmenu.tpl: [FIX]menu: do not put a link if there is no url on the section	[12:31]
luciash	jonnyb: cacheing of what ? the module ?	[12:32]
jonnyb	yes	[12:32]
luciash	oh jonnyb: yea, it works now ! seems Opera goes around the problem somehow providing its own caching mechanisms	[12:32]
jonnyb	coo - weird	[12:33]
luciash	coo coo, definitely :-p jonnyb: will u strikethrough it on Tiki7 dev page ?	[12:34]
jonnyb	just put the cache setting back on and it breaks it again - even after clearing the temp/cache (odd)	[12:37]
luciash	hmm, seems modules caching bug ? or combination ? maybe with minify ?	[12:38]
jonnyb	i think when the module is cached any js added to headerlib doesn't get cached also, although locally it seems to work...	[12:39]
CIA-87	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r34606 10/branches/7.x/templates/modules/mod-search.tpl.nocache: [FIX] search module: Add nocache file as search requires javascript to be added via {jq} tags in the template which doesn't (yet) get cached for anonymous	[12:51]
luciash	cool !	[12:51]
jonnyb	when i get more time i'll work out a way to cache the js as well,but that'll do for now ok, i have to get back to my non-tiki stuff (all about pixels and memory leaks, what fun!) ricks99: hopefully chealer will be along soon, i'm sure he'll be keen to look into the menu encoding thing :P	[12:52]
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luciash	jonnyb: thank you and enjoy your pixels	[13:10]
jonnyb	thx - it's strange, haven't done anything non-web for years!	[13:11]
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luciash	chibaguy: right column doesn't look right → http://themes.tiki.org/tiki-switch_theme.php?theme=clubcard.css jfyi i see it's not updated since version 4	[13:18]
chibaguy	luciash, I need to make notes for that theme. It was designed for only two columns (left and center) in fixed-width mode.	[13:23]
CIA-87	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34607 10/branches/7.x/ (css/calendar.css templates/tiki-calendar_calmode.tpl): [FIX]calendar: calendar.css a caltable class + align middle the week number not to be aligned with day	[13:23]
chibaguy	three columns are ok when full width	[13:24]
luciash	ah okie, or different perspective	[13:24]
chibaguy	yeah, something like that. I did the wider three col version as a theme option originally, but figured it could work with the regular theme when full width. I should test it again probably.	[13:25]
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luciash	chibaguy: made the carousel show on complete page load	[13:33]
chibaguy	ah, ok, I was about to ask, when I saw you changed the page.	[13:34]
luciash	chibaguy: it was weird when it displayed all in a huge wide row	[13:34]
chibaguy	yeah, that was strange. So now it waits until all the carousel images are loaded?	[13:34]
luciash	yup, until whole page loads as it does with every jquery block in the bottom of the html body on document.load the trick is i did display: none by default for the carousel and show it then when it loads cheap trick ;)	[13:36]
chibaguy	ah much nicer now, thanks.	[13:39]
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luciash	now i wonder why every matching result of the search is there listed 4-times :-p → http://themes.tiki.org/tiki-searchindex.php?find=strasa&search=Search&exact_match=	[13:41]
lphuberdeau	luciash, good question there, go under admin > search and rebuild the index to see if that fixes it	[13:42]
luciash	ok	[13:42]
lphuberdeau	changi built the index yesterday and we ran into some issues, perhaps it didn't fully clean up between attempts	[13:43]
luciash	i guess jonny already tried today but i will give it a shot anyway rebuilding now	[13:43]
lphuberdeau	should be just a few seconds on that site	[13:44]
luciash	done	[13:44]
lphuberdeau	the site does not respond at all from here strangely enough ah, firefox restart fixed it	[13:46]
luciash	yep, same here.... seems it has some problems after rebuilding the index huh, really ?	[13:47]
lphuberdeau	wow, those results look strange it parsed some of em	[13:48]
luciash	Chrome here... i wonder why would i need to restart my browser just because someone rebuilds his search index ;)	[13:49]
lphuberdeau	firefox acts up like that but chrome's dev tools don't come any close to firebug I also hate the user experience in chrome for some reason	[13:49]
luciash	trying to restart my Chrome now	[13:50]
fabricius	have to go - wish you all a nice day fabricius checks out now	[13:55]
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luciash	i wonder who invented that clever thing that after restarting my browser tiki doesn't remember me anymore restarting Chrome didn't help ... the search is unresponsive now	[13:56]
amette	A guy who wanted to make browsers privacy aware and called it a "Session Cookie" ;)	[13:58]
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Bernard	Hey Amette ! :)	[13:59]
luciash	amette: heh, but normal is that other browsers remember me well if i opt-in to :-p err, s/browsers/sites/	[13:59]
Bernard	Hi All	[13:59]
luciash	the remember me checkbox is only doing half-job if it requires me keeping my browser open for days to remember me hi Bernard :) well, seems whole themes.t.o is kinda unresponsive now Internal Server Error :-p	[14:01]
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amette	luciash: yeah, it looks like a broken feature, but kind of isn't heya Bernard :)	[14:10]
luciash	amette: i understand your privacy concerns but for home private non-travelling machines it is not useful "feature" but an annoying "bug"	[14:13]
marclaporte	polom	[14:13]
luciash	hi marc :)	[14:13]
amette	luciash: yeah, I agree.. can't you set your cookies to not be purged after browser closing? and actually: how do the other sites do it that you use? heya marc :)	[14:20]
luciash	no idea, but Google, Facebook, etc. remembers me just fine even when i re-open my browser later	[14:21]
amette	hmmm... I have the feeling that they do it only sometimes... I know that I need to re-login every now and then...	[14:22]
luciash	anyway, it doesn't happen when i restart my browser as it does with Tiki :-/	[14:22]
amette	fact, yes :)	[14:22]
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chealer	polom	[17:07]
ricks99	@chealer: i noticed an issue w/ Tiki7 on doc.t.o where, after upgrade, "&" in menu URLs were changed to & and the menu links now are broken is this a parsing issue that you're familiar with?	[17:17]
chealer	hi ricks99. yes, I was able to see it. but I never saw the problem before. the module is new and I'm not familiar with menu code, I just quickly escaped normal menus a while ago the escaping is done in tiki-user_cssmenu.tpl and controlled by a preference	[17:23]
ricks99	works fine when creating a new menu item. but the module on doc was created in 6, then upgraded to 7	[17:24]
chealer	ricks99: hum, really... ricks99: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/31608 says that menustructure was added to trunk 5 months ago	[17:24]
ricks99	y. i added it to doc when it was running 6	[17:26]
chealer	ricks99: OK, nyloth backported it in http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/32173 so it was in proposals/6.x indeed. ricks99: good question then...	[17:27]
marclaporte	marclaporte wants to use menustructure for suite.tiki.org but then, the forum link wouldn't be on the menu Maybe a redirect would solve that...	[17:27]
ricks99	i added it as a blocker... just my $0.02	[17:28]
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chealer	ricks99: I see the same problem in proposals/6.x. are you sure it appeared with the upgrade?	[17:40]
ricks99	afaik it used to work on doc. i just noticed it recently on doc tiki7	[17:40]
chealer	ricks99: well in any case it must not be a blocker if it's not a regression	[17:47]
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sylvieg	with the 'new' fetchAll how do I do a left join?	[19:03]
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lphuberdeau	sylvieg: it does not do joins, only handles simple queries	[20:19]
sylvieg	is it better to use the old function if a join is needed - or to add params to fetchAll?	[20:24]
lphuberdeau	sed to do joins it's not supposed to do joins, so you need to use the old functions it should not do joins either	[20:25]
sylvieg	ok thx	[20:28]
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lmnt	still trying to get ldap authentication to work with active directory - tried tiki 5.0 and tiki 6.0 - i get the same result logging shows "bind successful" but the login screen gives me "invalid username or password" logging on the ldap server seems to indicate the bind is actual not successful i have run the troubleshooting script at http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication#Debugging and it seems to work i also have another php based app on the same machine that has a similar ldap setup and it works as well... any insight would be appreciated... ldap server is windows 2003 server AD	[20:56]
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marclaporte	lmnt : what does the troubleshooting script answer?	[21:44]
lmnt	well it just doesnt give me any errors at least none that I am catching... it looks like it runs and then closes the connection	[21:45]
marclaporte	I think script needs to be better with a description of what is happening	[21:46]
lmnt	ok i did have to change one thing in the script this line: $dn = 'cn=username,dc=domain,dc=tld'; to $dn = 'cn=username,cn=users,dc=domain,dc=tld';. if I run it without the added cn=users i get an AcceptSecurityContext error but I'm not sure how to relate that information to the setting in the tiki ldap setup fields...	[21:49]
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marclaporte	lmnt : can you update wiki page with this improvement to the script?	[22:03]
lmnt	facepalm - I didnt have create user if not in tiki checked... ug	[22:04]
marclaporte	hehe you got farther than I did with that script :-)	[22:04]
lmnt	i just skipped right over that bold lettered statement in the documentation... lol	[22:05]
marclaporte	go to go. Good luck!	[22:07]
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