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marclaporte: release release release!
<br> I smell burnt popcorn
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chealer: hehehe
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: it seems for tiki.org the only sites left to upgrade to 7.x that we actually want to upgrade are branding and live
marclaporte: http://tiki.org/When+to+release+-+think+popcorn
-: marclaporte just made Blockbuster popcorn
marclaporte: 3 minutes
<br> 15-20 seconds more and it would have tasted bad (I think(
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marclaporte: branding can be a good 6.x LTS dogfood
chealer: <u>marclaporte</u>: OK, so that leaves live, and actually I completely forgot community (but I don't think we'll manage to upgrade community before the release)
marclaporte: ok
<br> what about info?
<br> chealer : ^
chealer: <u>marclaporte</u>: rick said he wanted it to stay on 6, to keep it dogfood
marclaporte: ok
<br> chealer : like this? http://tiki.org/Domains
chealer: <u>marclaporte</u>: oh, that's great. I hadn't notiiced the link to that page
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Dwight: Hello I am using the memberpayment plugin. I am getting the error "The group does not have a membership term. Go to Admin > Groups to specify a term for this group by automatically unassigning users after a certain number of days" even though the term is set to 365
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SiL: hi there
<br> could i use the svn trunk for a productive site?
lphuberdeau: depends
<br> you need a good backup procedure and a test environment to test updates before doing them, it's mostly stable, but there can be some quirks
SiL: how should i set up a new site ... with the ability to get fixes into it easily
lphuberdeau: install with svn
<br> brb
SiL: from 6.x or trunk
lphuberdeau: trunk is 8
SiL: ah ..
<br> then i should use the tiki7 ...
<br> have to think about a bit more ...
<br> is there a svn for the upcoming tiki7? is this the 6.x ?
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chibaguy: pooloom
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SiL: should i use two different directories for svn and productive files ?
<br> and update them manually?
lphuberdeau: that would make it harder
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luciash: hi
CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34822 10/branches/experimental/foreign-storage/: [BRANCH] Creation, trunk 0 to 34821
chibaguy: I was wondering about the best strategy for using svn to update live sites, also.
<br> check out into the live directory? or have svn separate and export to the live directory?
lphuberdeau: most of the sites I work on just checkout the live directory
luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: my strategy is 1) backup db 2) svn up --ignore-externals
lphuberdeau: if you have minor adjustments, it makes it easier
<br> luciash, I wouldn't use --ignore-externals on a production install
luciash: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: why ?
lphuberdeau: the code may well depend on changes in the externals
<br> ignoring externals is a good tip in dev to save time, but there can be repercussions
luciash: hmm, but it can cause also troubles when externals change and tiki is not ready to that
<br> ?
lphuberdeau: most of the externals are stored on tiki itself
luciash: like with the last jquery stuff update
lphuberdeau: otherwise they are on stable branches
luciash: which robert had to revert then
lphuberdeau: I didn't follow-up on that issue
fabricius: polom
luciash: hi fab
chibaguy: btw, hi luciash and lphuberdeau, and thanks for the info.
fabricius: hi luci
lphuberdeau: <u>chibaguy</u>: trim does a full backup (file+db), lock the site, update, unlock
luciash: <u>chibaguy</u>: well, it depends, sometimes i svn up only specific files i need with -rXXXXX
<br> <u>chibaguy</u>: on sensitive customized sites
-: luciash never tried trim yet
luciash: probably should ;)
lphuberdeau: well, not that you need to, but it does automate a few tedious things
chibaguy: ok, lots to experiment with :-). Not high-traffic sites, so I can play around some.
lphuberdeau: I don't use it as much to maintain live sites as to grab copies of sites and restore them in a test environment
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fabricius: is there any possibility, to get Tiki calendar events "taken" out of a Tiki installation for ex. by google calendars, without exporting and importing eachevent manually?
CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34823 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: [FIX] Missing default for sefurl
fabricius: @ marclaporte: recently I've seen, that the french Tikisite requests for help in respect of hosting, gardening etc. - what is the problem?
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SiL: thank you guys for all information, will read the log and place a projekt plan for updating this tiki site ...
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CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34824 10/branches/experimental/foreign-storage/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Modifying the item link field to store the itemId instead of the linked value for edit/display
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CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34825 10/branches/proposals/6.x/tiki-tracker_http_request.php: [FIX]tracker: dynamic field with hebrew value need not to be encoded to return the correct selected value in view item
lphuberdeau: does the "items link" have an other purpose beyond being the "reverse item link"?
sylvieg: I do nto understand
<br> btw lphuberdeau: the mandatory in dynamic list is broken in 7
lphuberdeau: jonny did that one
<br> and really, it's too late to fix anything in 7
sylvieg: ok sorry - fixed in the way ..
lphuberdeau: otherwise 8 will be released before 7
sylvieg: where do I commit?
<br> happy that the last one was only 6
<br> is there a 7 proposals yet?
lphuberdeau: I don't think so
<br> that would arrive after 7.1
<br> I'm looking at wikiplugin_tracker, could you explain me what line 1189:1192 is for? (ref trunk)
<br> I'm changing what item link stores in value to be the itemId instead of the value from the remote field
CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34826 10/branches/7.x/tiki-tracker_http_request.php: [FIX]tracker: fix optional/mandatory dynamic field
sylvieg: how the sort sort will work?
lphuberdeau: it would seem like it fetches the thing to store to initialize the form, but I can't really figure it out
-: sylvieg doing svn up
lphuberdeau: to sort, it should be possible to do a single join
sylvieg: it is why the value was there I suppose - to be able to sort or to use it as reference
lphuberdeau: right now, everything related to those field takes 3 joins
<br> plus there are issues when there are duplicate values... relation is not static
sylvieg: .. if if I use this field as the start of an item link - I need the value not the item - otherwise you will have to do again the 3 join
lphuberdeau: oh figured it... I can just replace that line with a single one ;)
<br> what do you mean?
sylvieg: if you begin not to have the real value of a field but the itemId or .. - it will be hard to sort + to use the field as a dynamic field for instance...
<br> perhaps the value of such field should be composite itemId and value
lphuberdeau: sorting is not such a hard issue
<br> the idea is to have itemId alone to be able to join easily
<br> and efficiently
<br> dynamic field I don't understand the issue
sylvieg: but what will you do for a dymamic or item link of another tracker that reference this field in the display list
lphuberdeau: I will probably rewrite significant portions of "items list", which will become more efficient with the change
<br> it really comes down to linking to a primary key rather than a random field
sylvieg: good luck - it is not simple at all - I remembered to discuss that with mose a long time ago
lphuberdeau: actually, it's almost done ;)
<br> edit/view is done, now I just need to deal with the other hacks in the code to get around that issue
<br> with the refactoring, it only required 2 files to be changed
sylvieg: witht the sort? with teh problem of display list? computed field if there still exists
lphuberdeau: dealing with those now, I refer to them as hacks collectively
sylvieg: but necessary hack
<br> I agree that itemId is a better idea - but what you win now by simplifying will be lost if you want no regression
lphuberdeau: the goal is necessary, not the hack
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CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r34827 10/users/chibaguy/trunk_themes/themes/greenblog_tiki_trunk/ (Readme.txt styles/greenblog.css): [FIX] Update module-related rules, etc.
<br> tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r34828 10/mods/trunk/themes/ (13 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] Tiki 7 version of Faulkner and Green Blog themes.
fabricius: is there any possibility, to get Tiki calendar events "taken" out of a Tiki installation for ex. by google calendars, without exporting and importing eachevent manually?
CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r34829 10/mods/trunk/Packages/ (2 files): [NEW] Package info files for Faulkner and Green Blog themes.
luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: i don't think so
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marclaporte: fabricius : we have no one in charge
fabricius: luciash and all: would that be a feature of common other cms, or more untypically? especially Typo3
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: I am thinking, if I could help somehow
luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: no idea
<br> i don't use other cms recently
marclaporte: http://tiki.org/When+to+release+-+think+popcorn
-: marclaporte had fun writing that
overseer: hey guys. Do you know of a way to change the edit session timeout length
<br> ?
<br> I tried manually adding a value to the dropdown list in tiki-admin.php?page=wiki
<br> but when i selected it, it seemed to not do anything. Any suggestions?
fabricius: sry no idea overseer
<br> <u>marclaporte</u>: on the french Tikisite there is a remark, that they need hosting - is that sorted in the meantime
marclaporte: hosting is easy
fabricius: what you mean? easy = sorted or easy = you could do that easily?
<br> additionally there is technical and gardening vacant - what is the difference, respectively the responsibilities?
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qb: cheers, could any one tell me how to use different css for fancytable, for example I'm using coelesce theme, but I need some fancytables to be formated like in eatlon because they look much better on prints
fabricius: <u>marclaporte</u>: while the de.t.o seems to be quite good maintained by Oliver, I see a general problem with several forums and article structures
overseer: <u>qb</u>: do you have a public site? can you give me an example of what you want to change?
fabricius: <u>qb</u>: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginFancyTable&structure=Documentation+TOC -> headclass Any valid CSS class Applies class styling to the header rows optional
<br> perhabs that helps?
<br> or "taking" the related css form eatlon and add it to a coelesce custom version (coelesce-mycustomtheme.css) - at the bottom of the css file - or setup a css option
<br> for coelesce
qb: I have somethink like https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B78O3ZN5KEG5OWMwOGZjZWEtNjFlYy00Mjk2LThkOGYtMjViOTllOTZmNWZi&hl=en_US&authkey=CJ3P3LgC https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B78O3ZN5KEG5YTJiOTY0ODctMzM5Ny00NjlmLTgwODMtOGUxYWExNDlhMTYz&hl=en_US&authkey=CP-wuMwJ
<br> and need something like https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B78O3ZN5KEG5YTJiOTY0ODctMzM5Ny00NjlmLTgwODMtOGUxYWExNDlhMTYz&hl=en_US&authkey=CP-wuMwJ
overseer: <u>fabricius</u>: I'll let you help qb
qb: oh, in first link there were both links too...
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qb: I just need to have table borders for printing, there is headclass in fancytable, but I don't know how should I use it
HideMe: Can anyone point me toward a doc that will show me howto use anchors?
overseer: <u>HideMe</u>: how do u want to use them? You mean to link to them, or make an anchor on the pagE?
HideMe: overseer, I want to make a page that looks like themes.tiki.org/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=2
<br> Don't understand how the anchors on the test work.
overseer: so, when you make a heading, using ! or !! or !!!, etc, it makes an anchor
HideMe: yes.
overseer: to link to it, use ALink: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginAlink
HideMe: how are they doing it on regular text?
<br> I'll check it out.
overseer: you might also be looking for: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginAname
HideMe: alink is enabled.
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qb: <u>HideMe</u>: or use {maketoc} or {TOC()}{TOC}
HideMe: qb yeah, but then the !header text is huge.
<br> I need regular size text.
<br> otherwise that'd be perfect
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qb: <u>HideMe</u>: it could be !!!!header - should be regular size
<br> I use {maketoc} for such things
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fabricius: <u>qb</u>: so the first pdf is a print "out of coelesce" and for the second you used eatlon?
qb: <u>fabricius</u>: yes, I miss borders I think, but I'm not sure how to add borders only to few of fancytables
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fabricius: aha qb you do not want to change the style of fancy tables generally, but for a certain group of fancy tables ...
qb: <u>fabricius</u>: exacly
<br> as some pages have to be printed so tables should be visible, while other tables are only browsed on tiki so should stay without borders as it looks a bit better ... for someone ;p
fabricius: Did you ever think about using the WYSIWYG editor for realising certain stuff?
<br> If it's just the tables for printing ...
<br> quite easy to use, but not both editors on the same page (no problem on the same site)
<br> we have a discussion on the editors running in the mailinglist actually
qb: oh, i will subscribe - i found my way - I inserted <style> for td and th in to html content of this page, and now all tables on it looks like they should when on other pages are without borders
fabricius: hmm that sounds smart - could you explain a little bit more detailed pls (I'd like to store that somewhere in the backyard of my brain - might need it lateron by myself)
qb: I just added {HTML()} <style> td {...} th {...} </style>{HTML} in to tiki source, and all tables on this one page started to use those settinges
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CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34832 10/branches/experimental/foreign-storage/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] Sorting for item link
fabricius: ah qb smart - thx
chealer: polom
CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34833 10/trunk/lib/menubuilder/menulib.php: [ENH]menu: option subMenu to display only the submenus below an option
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sylvieg: did somebody run the indexation on doc.tiki - I can not find thing I am sure there are in
lphuberdeau: changi did
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sylvieg: a query sectionLevel des not find the page ((menu)) - even if I just edited the page.. but "sectionLevel" finds it
<br> ahah only when I type it in the top bar
<br> strange .. so the module has a problem but not the search
lphuberdeau: oh right, noticed that
<br> you kind of need to re-submit
chealer: <u>sylvieg</u>: see http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Tiki7&history_offset=1&diff_style=sidediff&diff_style=sidediff&show_all_versions=y&compare=Compare&newver=241&oldver=240&paginate=on&history_pagesize=50
sylvieg: it should not be hard to fix - first time I saw the problem
<br> the params are not the right ones
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sylvieg: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: did you do or have a plan : how to represent the global characteristic of teh content to be use in the modules. For instance I want the topicId of the current article to show only the module articles with this topic?
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sylvieg: I think I can pick teh smarty topicId - but it is dirty
lphuberdeau: I am missing the beginning of your thoughts there
sylvieg: I want a module in teh column filtering according the contetn of the page
<br> ex:I display article1 with topic 1 - I want the module of the right ARTICLES(topic=Id=1)
<br> or a filter with the categ of teh object
<br> to put a param like topic=+topicId is only dirty
Rwik: Hey, I'm trying to figure out a way to disable (or at least greatly extend) the idle timeout when editing a page. Does anyone know how that could be done?
sylvieg: <u>Rwik</u>: it is mainly a php settings
lphuberdeau: you should be able to call current_object() and you will get the type/id of the object you are viewing from within the module
<br> but there is nothing for those kinds of conditions globally
Rwik: I have tried looking through the phps, and have tried making some changes, but I havent had any luck so far. Do you know which php, or what I should change specifically?
sylvieg: a google search http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=32849
<br> <u>Rwik</u>: http://doc.tiki.org/General+Settings look for sessions
<br> thx lphuberdeau
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Rwik: so does "session" on that page refer to the edit session?
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chealer: <u>Rwik</u>: it refers to Tiki's PHP sessions
lphuberdeau: rwik, enabling autosave should also improve the session duration by keeping the session alive, although I'm not too sure what's the state on that
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Rwik: ok. thanks for the info.
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mlpvolt: hello - tiki7 theme question -how do i change the width of the shadow (UL element i think) on the vertical css menu level1 flyout.
<br> seems like it is controlled by an inline style buried way deep. am i missing somehting?
sylvieg: <u>mlpvolt</u>: http://themes.tiki.org/Menu+styling
<br> and tehre is another page I think...
<br> <u>better</u>: http://themes.tiki.org/Horizontal+menu+text+styling
mlpvolt: there are some tips for css there but in this case the width is being controlled by an inline style somewhere in tiki-user_cssmenu.tpl - and there it is a variable from somewhere else.
<br> i can't see the inline style in "view source" - wonder why ie developer tools sees it.
chealer: <u>mlpvolt</u>: do you have an example menu where we see that shadow?
mlpvolt: sure - http://216.22.24.67/~highpro/tiki-index.php?page=HomePage
chealer: <u>mlpvolt</u>: Ooh, that's ugly. do we have such a menu on tiki.org? or how do you create one?
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mlpvolt: it is a css menu in a module. the same as fivealive, but vertical. there must be some jquery or something that is sizing the ul
chealer: <u>mlpvolt</u>: isn't that like the application menu module?
mlpvolt: yes it is.
chealer: I don't see any shadow in my application menu
mlpvolt: it should be there - just buried - when i look at a fresh tik7 install the drop shadow is there in the application menu
<br> how to recreate - take a fresh install of tiki 7, switch to skeleton theme.
<br> where would i find the jquery that is styling the menu?
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chealer: <u>mlpvolt</u>: oh, I do see it in skeleton
<br> <u>mlpvolt</u>: I see a 13.75 em
<br> <u>mlpvolt</u>: seems to be 11em on yours
mlpvolt: maybe that is after the margin - it must have been somethign that was hardwired for fivealive that needs to be customizable.
<br> (or i should give up and make my menuoptions wider. :)
<br> thanks chealer - will have to catch you later.
chealer: <u>mlpvolt</u>: I see stuff in tiki-jquery.js
<br> // superfish setup (CSS menu effects)
<br> if (jqueryTiki.superfish) {
<br> $('ul.cssmenu_horiz').supersubs({
changi|away: are we ready for a 7.0 ?
Tiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Trackers - radio buttons to select different views - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=41444
<br> New Forum Posts: Double Click to Edit - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=41445
sylvieg: <u>chealer</u>: but I see the jquery is only the display on/off , fading...
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sylvieg: s/see/think
mlpvolt: lib/jquery/superfish/css/superfish.css is that it?
<br> gotta run ttyl
chealer: <u>mlpvolt</u>: no, lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js
<br> <u>sylvieg</u>: I see minWidth: 11, // minimum width of sub-menus in em units
<br> <u>maxWidth</u>: 20, // maximum width of sub-menus in em units
<br> CSS menus are buggy in skeleton
-: sylvieg thinks that css menu and tabs need a little more style in skeleton - Last time I spoke with Gary he told me vecause his style has its own rules...
CIA-87: tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r34837 10/branches/7.x/installer/schema/20101026_auth_token_add_columns_tiki.sql: [FIX] Difference between fresh install and upgrade from 6
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chealer: changi|away: jonnyb asked yesterday. I think it's time. there are no fixes nor tiki.org upgrades promised for soon.
changi|away: <u>chealer</u>: i'm on it but there are still some SQL fix to do
<br> from tiki3 to tiki7 we have problem
<br> and some update for keys are wrong
<br> will do that tomorrow
<br> see ya
chealer: changi|away: do you have that problem upgrading to 6?
<br> that patch isn't new
<br> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/24528/trunk/installer/schema/20100118_image_plugins_kill_tiki.php
nkoth: anyone knows which command handler could I specify to index image/png ?
lphuberdeau: that would require ocr
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lphuberdeau: or do you mean metadata?
nkoth: metadata
<br> anyone else here using the "Upload Progress bar (Ajax/Flash (Browser-based)" feature? It doesn't work for me...
<br> (in 7.x)
lphuberdeau: for the metadata, lindon might know
nkoth: <u>lphuberdeau</u>: btw my pdfs don't look like they are being indexed, even though I had set pdftotext as the handler. and if I run manual pdftotext on the pdf I do get text.....
lphuberdeau: you shouldn't even need to configure anything for those in 8 beyond installing pdftotext
nkoth: under admin..file galleries... search indexing
<br> there is a "Missing Handlers" warning, and application/pdf is one of them with a warning
<br> If I enter MIME Type application/pdf System command pdftotext, then the warnin for that disappears
lphuberdeau: strange
nkoth: maybe the apache user can't execute pdftotext or something
<br> i jsut discuvered I can enter any garbage command and the warning will disappear
lphuberdeau: did you check if content got loaded up in tiki_files.search_data?
<br> also... check what the mime type is in there
nkoth: search_data is blank
<br> filetype is application/pdf
lphuberdeau: ok, then it's really pdftotext that can't be called
<br> actually, what you see is quite consistant with the behavior
<br> it will list missing types if it can't find the default handlers, including pdftotext
<br> but if you enter it manuall, it will trust you and shut up
<br> I have no special config for file indexing, uploaded a pdf and it indexed
nkoth: no worries I am checking ,
<br> ok, problem was cache
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sylvieg: fyi it is not because you add an handler than the search-data are refreshed... probably a bug
nkoth: how do i force index of files already in te file gallery after I install the new handler?
<br> search_data remain empty for those...
sylvieg: the refresh button after the handler table...
-: sylvieg needs to work on this - because I have timeout regulary on refresh all
nkoth: tks. I thought I saw it somewhere...
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fabricius: I have a CSS problem with a custom menu - after a forum post (Tiki 6.3) in the german language Tiki forum I did set up a test-menu-module (CSS menu in custom module Tiki 6.1)
<br> whilst the application menu works fine, the custom menus subitems are cut off at the border of the module
luciash: overflow=y
fabricius: I did try some stuff in the css file - thought about ... yes, overflow
luciash: <u>fabricius</u>: try
<br> as param of the module
fabricius: in the css? I tried, but I guess I didn get the right selectors
<br> ahhhh
<br> thanks
<br> I will try asap ... NOW
luciash: with CSS you should be able to achieve that too but maybe need !important to override
fabricius: it works
<br> oh no, it works
luciash: ?
fabricius: nopage=HomePage&overflow=y
<br> instead of nopage=HomePage
<br> just added &overflow=y and it works
luciash: i don't understand it works vs oh no, it works
-: fabricius is giving a huuuuuuge hug to luciash and heads off to the forum, to tell the german lads who mentioned the problem
luciash: ok :)
fabricius: hehe luciash, that's kind of a funny insider ... we have kind of funny radio gags, where moderators of different stations call companies and make some fool out of s.o.
<br> and this one was a saxonian calling to media markt (a dealer of electricals and electronicals)
<br> the saxonian clamed, that the new video recorder, he bought before the weekend, still would not work
<br> he was so angry, that he wanted to through it out of the window and was reluctant to come back to the market to get help ...
<br> story went weird and weirder ... in the end of the day the saxonian (in his broad dialect) realised, that the only button, he did not push the last three days might have been the one switch to make the device running
<br> nuuuu nuuuuu I am getting craaaaasyyy the think works .... nu nuuu it wooorks. ...
luciash: i understand now :)
fabricius: it is an approximnate 4 minute youtube clip and every time I hear it, I am rolling on the floor laughing :-D
<br> so, now I have to tell the lads - brb
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fabricius: done
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