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[03:13] <Snoopy> Hello!
[03:14] <Snoopy> Was wondering if I could find a little help with a new Tiki Wiki installation here.
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[03:16] <fabricius> Hi Snoopy 
[03:16] <fabricius> more or less coinsidently still awake
[03:17] <fabricius> what's the problem? hope I could help
[03:17] <fabricius> but heading off soon
[03:17] <Snoopy> I've made the install and got things set up, but it doesn't look like I have a new user registration option on my main page.  http://famdamily.info
[03:19] <fabricius> I see a link "register"
[03:20] <Snoopy> *facepalm*  The theme just wasn't rendering right in my browser and I missed it.
[03:20] <Snoopy> I.
[03:20] <Snoopy> Am.
[03:20] <Snoopy> An idiot.
[03:20] <fabricius> Powered by Elgg, the leading open source social networking platform
[03:20] <Snoopy> Ah...  That's not right...
[03:20] <fabricius> that doesn't seem to be Tiki ;-)
[03:20] <Snoopy> DNS lag.
[03:21] <fabricius> ahh
[03:21] <Snoopy> I've been playing fast and loose with changes today.  :)
[03:21] <fabricius> ok - have another link?
[03:22] <Snoopy> http://205.196.219.105 ?
[03:22] <fabricius> just in case: did you activate the "users can register" ?
[03:22] <Snoopy> Yeah.  And I found my missing link.  :)
[03:23] <fabricius> http://205.196.219.105/tiki-register.php -> it seems to be a css problem
[03:23] <Snoopy> I think I just need to change to a better theme.
[03:24] <fabricius> the "forgot my password" overlaps the register link
[03:24] <fabricius> or you customise the theme, if you like it generally
[03:24] <Snoopy> That would require knowledge of CSS which I don't (yet) have.
[03:25] <fabricius> customizing themes in Tiki is quite easy - at least the basic stuff
[03:25] <fabricius> you do nothave any knowledge, or no advanced knowledge?
[03:25] <fabricius> did you ever used css in html?
[03:25] <Snoopy> Effectively none.
[03:25] <fabricius> ok
[03:26] <Snoopy> I can just about spell CSS.  :)
[03:26] <fabricius> harr harrr
[03:26] <fabricius> same with me only a couple of month ago
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[03:26] <fabricius> did buy a book "CSS for kids" late december
[03:27] <Snoopy> I take it you recommend it?
[03:27] <fabricius> for kids and for adults who want a really basic beginners guide
[03:27] <fabricius> yes definitely
[03:28] <Snoopy> Cool.  I'll look it up.  I've also got a few friends who rank intermediate - expert on CSS knowledge.
[03:28] <fabricius> I would not dare to tell me designer and I could not develop a theme from scratch, butnot so bad to do basic adjustments
[03:28] <Snoopy> *nod*
[03:28] <fabricius> hmmm - I bought it in german .. do not actually know, if theres an english version of it
[03:29] <Snoopy> Well, I'm sure there's something out there for beginners in English.
[03:30] <fabricius> if you want to see: http://papatour.eu - that's what I could make out of a fivealive standart theme, some weeks after my first steps 
[03:30] <fabricius> I'd say Tiki is very good for starting with CMS-CSS work
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[03:30] <fabricius> means CSS templating
[03:31] <Snoopy> Not bad!
[03:31] <fabricius> thx
[03:31] <fabricius> tomorrow site will change again, as we start the tour on tomorrow
[03:32] <fabricius> but that will not be CSS changes, but just different content design
[03:32] <Snoopy> Groovy.
[03:33] <fabricius> less culomns, a wide random picture or slideshow on top of most pages (depending on the day / station where we attend ...
[03:34] <fabricius> already prepared, but still need some adjustments
[03:34] <fabricius> steep learningcurve in Tiki
[03:34] <fabricius> do you know Tiki longer, or just beginning / interested?
[03:35] <fabricius> since a while I am thinking about writing a little beginners guide for CSS-Themes
[03:35] <Snoopy> Just starting out.  Trying to find something that will make a good social network platform / facebook replacement for my group of friends.
[03:35] <fabricius> especially for tiki
[03:37] <fabricius> In css I see a bit of a lack regarding to what I was looking for at my start with theme customizing
[03:37] <Snoopy> I don't actually think I'm going to get that involved in the CSS, but let someone who knows it already poke at it if they're interested.
[03:38] <fabricius> but the community is very helpful - thought some of the devs save my arse a couple of time (beeing under some pressure in a project)
[03:39] <fabricius> some basics you should know - makes live easier - at least when you roughly understand what goes on, if you're bugtracking
[03:39] <fabricius> some basics like what is a margin or padding and how a css file looks like
[03:39] <Snoopy> *nod*
[03:40] <fabricius> no need to research every selector by yourself, if you have somebody to do the ha for youcking
[03:40] <Snoopy> Yup.
[03:40] <fabricius> but not such difficult
[03:41] <fabricius> just a mess sometimes and on some point timeconsuming, if you go to the details
[03:41] <fabricius> so your question is sorted so far?
[03:42] <Snoopy> Completely.  Thanks.
[03:43] <Snoopy> Still feel like a dumkopf for missing the obvious...  :)
[03:43] <fabricius> and you are researching wich software  for a certain project
[03:44] <Snoopy> So far, Elgg, Dolphin, Diaspora, StatusNet, Tiki and one other I forgot the name of.
[03:44] <Snoopy> Tiki's the best-looking one yet.
[03:45] <fabricius> oh don'task me, how often I waste hours, sometimes days just because of a simple checkbox ... but it's not really wasted time - more gaining experience
[03:45] <Snoopy> Yup.  Such is the nature of testing...
[03:45] <fabricius> Diaspora seems a different building, isn't it?
[03:46] <fabricius> what you want to do with the software?
[03:47] <fabricius> we have "friendship network" as feature, but it seems to be more a debrecated feature - faced out and not actively developed
[03:47] <Snoopy> Diaspora is very Facebook-like, but it's in Alpha, buggy, and hard to install and make work.
[03:47] <Snoopy> I want something with, yes, a friends network, groups and status updates.
[03:48] <Snoopy> Facebook would be just fine, but I want to bring it under my control for my friends so that we can share information without worrying about Facebook or Google's privacy policies.
[03:48] <fabricius> I regret that the friendship network thing is not so much a killer in Tiki - but in the end the groupware stuff is more important for most of us ... and we all have to accept aswell, where the actual coders see their personal priorities 
[03:49] <Snoopy> Yup.
[03:50] <fabricius> >	I want something with, yes, a friends network, groups and status updates. <- may become a bit difficult in Tiki, as I guess that will not be developed further - not in  assessable time
[03:51] <Snoopy> *shrug*  I'll see if this will work, if not, I'll look to something else...
[03:51] <fabricius> you should ask Marc or ... check the feature requests, write a forum posts ...
[03:53] <fabricius> Tiki is a very very good tol for nearly everythingI can imagine ... aswell you will always find usecases with very specific  requirement
[03:53] <fabricius> what els you would like / need apart from status updates?
[03:53] <fabricius> else
[03:53] <Snoopy> Photo galleries
[03:54] <Snoopy> And groups, but I can probably use forums for that.
[03:55] <fabricius> perfect - we have image galleries, but since a while not necessary anymore, cause 'file galleries' have been further developed and take that aswell
[03:55] <fabricius> groups - tiki is very good in that
[03:56] <fabricius> and rights management, if you need that
[03:56] <fabricius> if you need groups, where people cansubscribe bythemselves or moderated groups ... and categories
[03:56] <fabricius> ever heard about workspaces?
[03:57] <fabricius> literally a combination of groups, categories and perspectives
[03:57] <Snoopy> Users can create their own dynamically?
[03:58] <fabricius> I did not yet set this up, but yes, that's definitively possiple - called 'organic groups' 
[03:59] <Snoopy> Cool!
[03:59] <fabricius> quite new feature, as I ... guess since 4.x or 5.x - I will have to look into that quite soon
[03:59] <fabricius> so many features - you need times and times and still there is stuff left to learn about
[04:00] <fabricius> you said forums ... just one of the basic features
[04:00] <Snoopy> Yup.
[04:01] <fabricius> what I find as very cool with Tiki, is that you have the WIKI-Syntax all over the place and every feature is tight integrated
[04:01] <Snoopy> I'm seeing that...
[04:02] <fabricius> different from extension-model-based CMSes like Typo3, where for ex. the wiki extension does not work together with the rights managemant
[04:03] <fabricius> and there is the WYSIWYG aswell, based on the CKE Project 
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[04:03] <fabricius> Most of the features support WYSIWYG aswell - as it still is under work of even better integration
[04:05] <fabricius> you should nor switch between WYSIWYG and WIKI-Syntax on the same existing page (itś still possible to convert) but you can freely decide, in wich page you prefer the one or the other editor/syntax
[04:06] <Snoopy> Thanks for the advice.  I should be getting to sleep soon.
[04:06] <fabricius> NP
[04:06] <fabricius> me too
[04:06] <Snoopy> G'night!
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[09:22] <SiL3NC3> polom and good morning
[09:31] <SiL3NC3> #ops
[09:31] <SiL3NC3> upps
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[09:44] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r34938 10/branches/7.x/templates/list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] Remove useless - scroll bar at the bottom
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[09:56] <fabricius> polom
[09:57] <jonnyb> polom fabricius and all
[09:57] <fabricius> p+
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[10:17] <fabricius> @ jonnyb getting closer now - nearly 100% ... so it's not entirely unlike notcoming, but once you will not forget your towel you'll make it there finally
[10:18] <jonnyb> indeed - going to book a ferry crossing soon, then there's no going back! :)
[10:18] <jonnyb> but have client calling soon - need to finish something (there's always something!)
[10:20] <fabricius> want clients aswell :-D
[10:20] <fabricius> still just in voluntary projects
[10:21] <jonnyb> no clients - no ferry (or diesel!) ;)
[10:22] <fabricius> will be hard without ferry but with diesel ... would need some empty barrels and a good rope
[10:22] <jonnyb> actually not a tiki client - dealing with a horrid huge expensive closed source web app (would be so much easier if i could see the code!)
[10:22] <fabricius> and strong arms for 35 km paddling
[10:22] <jonnyb> or pedals
[10:22] <fabricius> oh yes pedals
[10:23] <fabricius> will have to seal your car carefully
[10:23] <fabricius> and need strong legs
[10:23] <fabricius> perhabs ferry is better
[10:23] <fabricius> :-D
[10:23] <jonnyb> brb
[10:25] <fabricius> there is a german saying: "what doesn't cost is nothing worth" - means s.th. like: " customers (aswell privates) do not see any value of the efforts, except they have to pay for it"
[10:25] <fabricius> juoi - should be away since a while
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[10:25] <fabricius> c ya
[10:29] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r34939 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX]structures: received structures generated a null alias .. and alias can be null
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[11:39] <xavi1> polom
[11:40] <xavi1> sylvieg? your commit 34939 fixes indeed that issue  with receiving structures from tikis  (bug 3911)
[11:40] <xavi1> and same applies to tiki7, and to proposals/6x
[11:41] <xavi1> I'll commit your fix to 7 and proposals/6.x even if it implies a db change, since that db change fixes a bug
[11:41] <xavi1> bbl (lunch time)
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[12:13] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r34940 10/branches/7.x/styles/layout/design.css: [MOD] Remove useless space in fgal explorer
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[12:27] <chibaguy> polom
[12:29] <chibaguy> Does anybody else wrestle with wiki paragraph formatting every few tiki releases?
[12:30] <sylvieg> chibaguy: yes
[12:30] <sylvieg> the settings changed...
[12:30] <chibaguy> I was surprised this time to find a </div><br /><div> gets produced in html by </div><p>&nbsp;</p></div>
[12:31] <chibaguy> So if paragraphs of text have a bottom margin for nice spacing, a plain new line becomes one line height plus the paragraph bottom margin height, ending up too much white space.
[12:32] <sylvieg> change the 2 setting about wiki formatting - and .. one setting will work
[12:33] <chibaguy> Hi sylvieg.
[12:35] <chibaguy> I can't find a setting that actually does what I want.
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[12:35] <chibaguy> The problem is that empty lines are rendered as paragraphs.
[12:36] <chibaguy> which seems like an ugly hack to me.
[12:39] <chibaguy> ah, I see the problem (for me). ::Centered text:: is produced as a div with text-align: center. Then when I make an empty line it is is produced as a pragraph (and gets the standard (in my theme) 24px bottom margin.
[12:40] <chibaguy> So all my consecutive lines of centered text are separated by 24px + 1 text line height (for the &nbsp; inside the paragraph).
[12:41] <chibaguy> Plain lines of wikitext have <br> tags as expected (although they should be <br /> syntax).
[12:42] <chibaguy> I guess I shouldn't use :: ::.
[12:43] <sylvieg> in admin->textarea - there is these 2 chackboxes .. wiki oparagraph - but still .... one config will suppress the br
[12:44] <chibaguy> Yes, I can suppress the br, but I was getting a paragraph inserted between consecutive lines of centered text. I wasn't trying to make paragraphs.
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[12:46] <chibaguy> I wonder how to do
[12:46] <chibaguy> ::line one::
[12:46] <chibaguy> ::line two::
[12:46] <chibaguy> with no extra space between the lines.
[12:47] <chibaguy> It doesn't seem possible anymore with just wiki syntax.
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[12:50] <jonnyb> chibaguy: how about ::line one%%%line 2::
[12:50] <jonnyb> seems to work on 7.x
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[12:52] <chibaguy> ok, I'll try that, thanks.
[12:53] <chibaguy> but the extra space between divs is still a problem.
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[12:58] <jonnyb> oh? i get a single div and a br between the lines
[12:59] <chibaguy> With centered text?
[12:59] <jonnyb> yup
[12:59] <chibaguy> Hmm.
[12:59] <jonnyb> i get: <div style="text-align: center;">line one<br />line 2</div>
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[13:01] <chibaguy> heh, me too, now that I try two lines in isolation. I initially had them inside a div plugin, and problems arose.
[13:01] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r34941 10/branches/7.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [bp/r34939][FIX]structures: received structures generated a null alias .. and alias can be null. This bugfix is needed to have the feature to send structures between tikis work again. Thanks sylvieg.
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[13:02] <chibaguy> So all my complaining (sorry for that) was in the context of wiki syntax inside a div plugin.
[13:03] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r34942 10/branches/proposals/6.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [bp/r34939][FIX]structures: received structures generated a null alias .. and alias can be null. This bugfix is needed to have the feature to send structures between tikis work again. Thanks sylvieg.
[13:04] <jonnyb> ah, ok - wonder why it should be different?
[13:11] <chibaguy> yeah, I don't know.
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[14:25] <garyps> hi need some help with adding /lib/prefs files?
[14:26] <lphuberdeau> could you detail?
[14:27] <garyps> I want to add a new type of {prefs ..} block for template
[14:27] <garyps> I added a new file in /prefs with php code 
[14:28] <garyps> it just causes an error in my tpl when called
[14:28] <garyps> do I need to activate or add it somewhere else
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[14:30] <lphuberdeau> shouldn't be needed
[14:30] <garypondstone> I want to add a new setting for a theme that appears on Look&Feel when it is enabled.
[14:30] <lphuberdeau> make sure you have no syntax errors in your PHP file
[14:31] <garypondstone> It is 6 lines, identical setup to others, no php mistakes
[14:31] <lphuberdeau> does your preference prefix match the file name?
[14:32] <garypondstone> file and function names also like other /prefs files
[14:33] <lphuberdeau> if your pref is named ps_some_setting, it must be in ps.php
[14:33] <lphuberdeau> can you provide the error message?
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[14:34] <garypondstone> ah. it is called prefs_a960GS_list and file is called a960GS.php
[14:34] <overseer> Hey guys. Im working with the Fade plugin today. I can't seem to get the icon to show up. Any ideas?
[14:35] <garypondstone> I have all tiki logs turned on, haven't checked server yet. I will find ps.php and see, thanks for help.
[14:38] <lphuberdeau> no need for ps.php... that was just an example
[14:38] <lphuberdeau> what's your pref named like?
[14:38] <lphuberdeau> also, check in your template to see if you don't have some syntax error
[14:38] <lphuberdeau> oh, and you might need to clear caches
[14:40] <jonnyb> bl
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[14:40] <garypondstone> ok. I am very new to tiki. my file has a function 'prefs_a960GS_list' returning the array with the name 'column_size'  inside it. I put {preference name='column_size'} and that is as far as the admin page loads
[14:41] <garypondstone> if I change to any other tag it is fine.
[14:42] <garypondstone> I was thinking I needed to enable/add the new file I created for a pref's block somewhere else (database or another file?)
[14:44] <garypondstone> I am thinking there is another way to do this since no doc's cover it?
[14:45] <garypondstone> will tiki load all the files in the /lib/prefs automatically, including my new function file?
[14:46] <ricks99> @garypondstone: did you see doc http://dev.tiki.org/Creating+New+Preferences
[14:46] <garypondstone> That was the doc I was looking for. ty.
[14:47] <ricks99> @garypondstone: you might also find http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World useful, too
[14:48] <garypondstone> I was on doc.tiki.org, this is where I should be. Thanks again.
[14:48] <ricks99> no problem. doc.t.o is more for end-use, dev.t.o is for development
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[15:35] <garypondstone> fyi. the error was  with automatic naming convention vs file name.
[15:35] <garypondstone> thanks for your suggestions.
[15:36] <SJ-Jay> Hey guys, anyone know how to make a button that starts a new article with a specific topic and kategori?
[15:58] <SJ-Jay> no one? :)
[16:01] <garypondstone> everything is beyond me at this point :|
[16:02] <lphuberdeau> SJ-Jay, open up firebug's network panel and preview an article
[16:03] <lphuberdeau> inspect the posted arguments and try setting them in the URL instead
[16:07] <SJ-Jay> ok i'll try that :)
[16:13] <SJ-Jay> wow.. 
[16:13] <SJ-Jay> not sure were to look :)
[16:13] <lphuberdeau> look for the post request, should be the first of the sequence
[16:14] <lphuberdeau> most of it afterwards is CSS and images
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[16:27] <overseer> hey guys, Is there a way to make a link to a user's personal page from the menu at the top of the site?
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[16:41] <SJ-Jay> is it possible to link to a folder on a networkshare from wiki?
[16:41] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34943 10/trunk/ (lib/tikiaccesslib.php tiki-download_file.php): [FIX] Report correct http status codes to be friendly with the rest of the web
[16:42] <lphuberdeau> you mention network share as if it were a simple thing
[16:42] <SJ-Jay> file share :) windows domain
[16:42] <lphuberdeau> I think you can link to it, but Tiki won't understand it and will only work if your visitor's user is configured in the same way
[16:44] <SJ-Jay> it's for a corporate intranet :)
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[17:18] <sylvieg> rodrigo_sampaio: around? do you know if in mediawiki the page names have always _ instead of space?
[17:19] <sylvieg> I do not know if it is one of the setting of the mediawiki I have or if it is generic
[17:19] <rodrigo_sampaio> sorry sylvieg, I don't remember
[17:20] <sylvieg> ok.. I will patch only for my need
[17:20] <sylvieg> in local
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[18:03] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34946 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [MOD] Making the search field optional
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[18:56] <CIA-93> tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r34947 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [MOD] Using jquery validate to display errors close to the fields when receiving ajax errors
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[19:29] <codyg> good afternoon and polom to all. {files categId="7"} = No Records Found, except for admin.   I am turning grey in my attempts to make this work in a wiki page for any user or group, except admin. upgraded from 7 beta to 7 and it's still not working.  I've set permissions galore but no luck. It works on demo.tiki.org. (aaarrrrrggghhhh)  What am I missing?
[19:40] <codyg> oh my superbuckets, its raining out there!!  First offer and I have to come up with a 24 pdf file solution.  anyways... i guess the Agent will have to be happy with a jump drive with pdfs.  <sigh>  I'll keep trying of course, but right now the webpage thingy will have to wait.
[20:05] <codyg> Well, I've tried a gazzillion things to get userAgent to view the files he/she needs to download/view.  tiki_p_download is checked. so is tiki_p_view_file_gallery... so i just don't get why no records are found. I'm missing something somewhere.  I guess I'm going to make 24 + 2 agms .doc files into tiki pages.  Wish me luck. ;)
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[21:08] <CIA-88> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r34948 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerquerylib.php: [FIX] Fixed the item id to the array of the item returned for trackerquerylib in joining trackers together
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[22:17] <Tiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Large(ish) uploads to FG appear to work but are corrupt - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=41542
[22:27] <Tiki|bot>  New Forum Posts: Qué debo hacer para insertar código php en un módulo de mi Tiki? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=15&comments_parentId=41543
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