[00:04] I didn't catch that one neither [00:05] oh, http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/log/trunk/modules/mod-func-menu.php [00:18] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [00:49] *** rodrigo_sampaio1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [01:09] *** Tiki|bot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:15] *** Merbster has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:37] *** goj has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) [01:37] *** goj_killedByISP has joined #tikiwiki [01:37] *** goj_killedByISP is now known as goj [02:27] tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r36335 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [02:27] tikiwiki: [ROLLBACK] Partial rollback of r36315: as it causes trackerlist plugins to [02:27] tikiwiki: return a No field indicated error when fields param is specified, and in the [02:27] tikiwiki: case when it is not, fields such as url, freetags and rating fields do not [02:27] tikiwiki: appear (there could be more problems) [02:29] *** coaboa has joined #tikiwiki [02:32] *** coaboa|afk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [07:12] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [07:16] *** Wilkins_ has joined #tikiwiki [07:24] *** nkoth has quit IRC (Quit: nkoth) [07:56] *** Merbster has joined #tikiwiki [08:23] *** Jyhem_laptop has joined #tikiwiki [08:51] *** goj has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:51] *** goj has joined #tikiwiki [09:17] *** Jyhem_laptop has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [09:54] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r36336 10/branches/7.x/lib/filegals/filegallib.php: [FIX] Undefined variable - cannot be commit in trunk because it's already fixed and got too much diff [10:29] *** redflo has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [10:35] oh, I almost forgot, POLOM! :D [10:42] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [10:42] *** Tiki|bot has joined #tikiwiki [10:43] Info: Nominate Tiki for 2011 Open Source Awards - http://info.tiki.org/article173-Nominate-Tiki-for-2011-Open-Source-Awards [10:43] Info: Tiki 6.4 LTS and Tiki 7.1 Now Available, End-of-Life for Tiki 3.x - http://info.tiki.org/article172-Tiki-6-4-LTS-and-Tiki-7-1-Now-Available-End-of-Life-for-Tiki-3-x [10:43] Info: Tiki will be at OSCON 2011 - http://info.tiki.org/article171-Tiki-will-be-at-OSCON-2011 [10:43] New Forum Posts: Google analytics broke my tiki - help needed - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42059 [10:57] *** ricks99 has joined #tikiwiki [11:11] *** GillesMM has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:24] New Forum Posts: Image Gallery not producing thumbnails - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42064 [11:29] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [11:38] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [11:39] polom [11:39] some kind of late, but finally on the way to Berlin [11:41] Merbster: could you provide me with the link to the category-perspectives-code-suggestion pülease? [11:42] fabricius, http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=lookup%20perspective%20according%20to%20category%20IDs [11:46] * ricks99 hopes that everyone has taken a moment to nominate Tiki for the 2011 Open Source Awards... http://info.tiki.org/article173 [11:48] ricks99, would TikiWiki go under "CMS" ? [11:48] yup. [11:51] hmm [11:51] nothing happens when I press their submit button [11:53] refresh & retry? [11:54] their website apparantly sucks [11:54] ricks99: now it's done :) [11:54] tx :) [11:55] * ricks99 would really like to see Tiki get more visibility in the CMS world. [11:55] worked 1st time in firefox... apparantly packt doesn't like IE. [11:56] $request = $location.$Webservice."?brugerId=".$bruger."&fraSag=".$senestesag."&database=on"; [11:56] $string = file_get_contents($request); [11:56] $json_a=json_decode($string,true); <- this is the weirdest webservice request I have ever seen :P [11:56] but apparantly it works. [11:57] *** Jyhem_laptop has joined #tikiwiki [12:00] *** GillesMM has joined #tikiwiki [12:02] ricks99: that would sure help your book sales [12:02] lol. acutally, i was going for the other way around (having a Tiki presense on amazon.com might improve Tiki's visiibility). [12:03] * ricks99 surely isn't getting rich from book sales ;-) but that's ok [12:03] Merbster: json_decode isn't the webservice call [12:03] I know [12:03] it the file_get_contents [12:04] But I was still a bit perplexed, but it makes sense :P [12:04] Worst part is that the guy who wrote the code uses mysql_* functions for the database :( [12:06] lphuberdeau, I copied several lines into my text area and it inserts linebreaks automatically :P [12:07] I was referring to the whole piece of code. :) [12:10] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [12:11] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [12:13] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [12:18] *** jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki [12:19] thank goodness it's polom... [12:21] tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r36337 10/trunk/lib/trackers/trackerquerylib.php: [FIX] moved field id as key in array to tracker query lib only [12:27] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r36338 10/branches/7.x/ (10 files in 5 dirs): [12:27] tikiwiki: [bp/r36012,36015] [12:27] tikiwiki: [FIX] articles: Add temporary pref to cope with articles from before Tiki 7 containing HTML (as in Tiki < 7 articles were parsed as is_html=true). [12:27] tikiwiki: [FIX] articles: Part 2 - implementation of pref to cope with articles containing HTML (article_body_is_html) [12:34] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:35] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [12:36] bolow [12:37] sry, unstable connection in the car [12:38] jonnyb: could you please have a look at this code by Merbster http://dev.tiki.org/lookup perspective according to category IDs [12:39] sry, again: http://dev.tiki.org/lookup+perspective+according+to+category IDs [12:40] arghhh [12:40] http://dev.tiki.org/lookup perspective according to category +IDs [12:40] youĺl get it, car is a bit unstable aswell [12:40] the girl is driving to fast for the little car ;-) [12:42] *** Jyhem_laptop has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [12:42] :O [12:42] *** Merbster has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [12:51] fabricius: added a comment to http://dev.tiki.org/lookup+perspective+according+to+category+IDs [12:51] lphuberdeau: you might also want to check this? ^^ [12:59] I actually saw the mail going through, but I really have no time to spare on this right now [13:00] ok, ta - i know you had some strong feelings about that kind of thing - can revisit when less busy [13:02] *** radek82 has joined #tikiwiki [13:05] *** thraxisp has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:05] have senn it - thanks jonnyb - added one aswell [13:06] *** thraxisp has joined #tikiwiki [13:06] heya fabricius - cool to know you're on your way! :) [13:06] jonnyb: I am pretty sure, that this could become the "Areas" feature ... [13:07] jonnyb: better than with redirects I think and easier to extend [13:08] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:08] jonnyb and lphuberdeau: I think it is time to to describe the "Areas" idea on a page on dev. I think I can get it done whilst I am in Berlin [13:09] hi amette too [13:09] fabricius: not sure i understand - that page suggests doing a redirect, just not with the plugin (i guess you mean) [13:09] amette: yes - I finally got a lift after lunch for 24 Euro,what makes 4.8 cent per kilometer and I got at least some money for food this morning [13:10] amette: will be a TikiFest for 120 bugs included journey - not bad, isn it? [13:10] ah - yes, I mean without the plugin [13:10] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [13:11] but is it really a redirect (I just partwise understand the code) [13:11] I feel it is a bit more in the code itself, not like an html redirect on a webpage [13:12] heya jonnyb :) [13:12] but I am still too far from being a coder, that I could talk too loud on such issues - am just very interested to understand code better [13:13] amette: will we do barbecue tonight? [13:13] fabricius: sounds quite fair, yes! :) [13:13] fabricius: yes, just chatting with the barbecue chef here in parallel... [13:13] cool [13:13] ... we are starting in a couple of hours.. [13:13] .. when do you arrive? [13:13] so Iĺl try to get some chicken or so and vegs and baguette lateron in B [13:14] you don't eat real meat? [13:14] not sure - depends on traffic - maybe 5pm, maybe 8pm [13:14] hmm, ok, let's see... ;) [13:14] no porc anymore and I am getting a better health and loose weight [13:15] ah, ok [13:15] at the moment it looks like 6pm, but no guarantee [13:16] ah, DokuWiki posse arrived.. brb [13:17] jonnyb: I am making it with my belly -two holes less in my belt since Strasbourg and I am not doing a diet or starve [13:19] lphuberdeau: did you get the info for category - perspective - area? you seemed to have been logged out in the middle of quick discussion with jonnyb [13:22] Is somebody in this room working with 960.gs or interested? [13:23] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:23] At the moment I (have to?) use tables in WYSIWYG to get s.th. about a 960 compliant page [13:25] all the layout around, like header, columns etc. is not such a difficulty, but the page itself (col1 content) I guess would need some feature or syntax - aswell in WYSIWYG as in WikiSyntax [13:26] one thing would be the certain DIVs with exact width each, but how to position the elements easily and exactly [13:27] would it be possible, to define s.th. like a grid for the col1 content area? [13:29] should be 9 grids - 3 for each of the three 960 schemes - as for 960-12, 960-16 and 960-24 are different basic element width apply [13:32] *** nkoth has joined #tikiwiki [13:33] *** nkoth has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:35] *** nkoth has joined #tikiwiki [13:38] then a position marker for each colomn (for ex. align grafic x at left side of column 3) -> rest of horizontal position would be automatical then [13:40] perhabs grafics and text etc. wrapped in DIVs like DIV-1to12 , -1to16, 1to24 [13:40] no idea how to do 960fluid right now [13:41] anybody of the coders on the 960 issues at the moment? [13:44] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r36340 10/trunk/lib/wiki/editlib.php: [DOC] wysiwyg: adding a hint of documentation (thanks for the prompt Mauriz ;) [13:52] *** ricks99 has quit IRC (Quit: Get the best-selling Tiki books (paperback and ebook) at http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ricks99) [14:04] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:07] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r36341 10/trunk/tiki-login_scr.php: [FIX] login: Missing forgot and register links on login_scr. Use the correct parameters and then don't clear them before they're needed. (thanks marclaporte) [14:21] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r36342 10/branches/7.x/tiki-login_scr.php: [bp/r36341][FIX] login: Missing forgot and register links on login_scr. Use the correct parameters and then don't clear them before they're needed. (thanks marclaporte) [14:30] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [14:33] fabricus: my internet link is brittle, as far as the issue you mentioned on the list, I have no time for those discussions for a bit [14:42] anyone has a tiki site where going to tiki-view_tracker_items redirects to a pretty tracker wiki page depending on the tracker Id? [14:50] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r36343 10/trunk/lib/ (db/tiki_registration_fields.php wiki/pluginslib.php): Tikiwiki -> Tiki [14:54] *** thraxisp has quit IRC (Quit: thraxisp) [14:59] nkoth: oh ok, it should just work in sefutl with prefixalias [15:28] New Forum Posts: Can't view or create horizontal lines in Wiki 6.3 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42067 [15:40] *** Wilkins_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:45] Hi, in the sementic links feature pref setting, it is set to "require" backlnks. Is that really true? [15:46] lphuberdeay: any idea? ^ [15:46] nkoth's asking all the difficult questions today ;) [15:46] luhuberdeau^ jonnyb lol [15:46] i can't even spell an irc handle right. lphuberdeau [15:53] well, the semantic links use the backlinks storage [15:53] so yes [15:57] they seem to work fine without it on though [15:58] *** GillesMM has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:01] depends on which aspects of it [16:02] ḩowever the backlinks feature may have changed to control only the UI aspects [16:02] that would be something to verify [16:03] I see, it would make sense that backlinks as a backiend thing should be always on [16:08] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [16:10] rehi - about 60 miles / 100 km left to Berlin [16:10] amette: I am coming soon [16:18] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [16:35] jonnyb: I made up the page on dev now and did set up a feature request [16:37] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:42] anyone else getting "Call to undefined function smarty_function_object_link()" when running unit tests on trunk? lphuberdeau? [17:45] which test fails for you? [17:45] ah, I get it too [17:46] lphuberdeau: probably something related with smarty3, no? [17:46] seems to be related to the switch to smarty3 [17:46] sept_7 changed an include to a smarty call and that does not work in the test suites [17:49] *** radek82 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [17:49] lphuberdeau: yes, Smarty::loadPlugin() is returning false when called from the test suites [17:50] might be some include path missing/wrong from test suites [17:50] lphuberdeau: I will check and if it is not easy to fix ask for sept_7 help [17:50] lphuberdeau: thanks [17:50] polom [17:51] tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r36344 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: [FIX] dependencies not showing before, and change name slightly [17:57] *** schiber has joined #tikiwiki [17:58] hello i call from germany and i havea problem [17:58] help [17:59] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r36345 10/trunk/lib/test/bootstrap.php: unit test suite working with smarty3 [17:59] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r36346 10/trunk/get_strings2.php: new get strings: documentation [18:00] i get a modulein the modlues admin and take it to the right side, a have seen it and need to delete it but i can´t do so the module (register) is on the right side [18:00] i know tehdocumentation but i can´t find help in it [18:00] lphuberdeau: r36345 should fix the problem [18:03] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r36347 10/trunk/ (tiki-admin_menu_options.php tiki-admin_menus.php): [REF] menus are no longer Smarty-cached following r12649 [18:04] *** schiber_ has joined #tikiwiki [18:04] i get a modulein the modlues admin and take it to the right side, a have seen it and need to delete it but i can´t do so the module (register) is on the right side [18:04] help [18:04] i get a modulein the modlues admin and take it to the right side, a have seen it and need to delete it but i can´t do so the module (register) is on the right side [18:04] schiber: which version do you use? [18:04] 7.1 [18:04] *** schiber has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:05] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r36348 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] connect: Prepare more info for sending and preview in tabs. Split site from anonymous info and obey connect_send_anonymous_info. [18:07] schiber_: could you re-formulate your question? [18:08] *** schiber_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:14] *** schiber has joined #tikiwiki [18:14] help [18:15] i can´t get the module register on the right side to delete it [18:15] what can i do [18:16] i can get all the other modules to take them to annother place to add or delete them [18:18] schiber: if you don't get help here, I suggest you ask on our German forum: http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=10 [18:19] ok thank you [18:32] *** Loggar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [18:58] *** Loggar starts logging #tikiwiki at Fri Aug 19 18:58:04 2011 [18:58] *** Loggar has joined #tikiwiki [18:58] *** changi has joined #tikiwiki [19:05] *** RobertPlummer has joined #tikiwiki [19:06] Polom all [19:06] question: I was hoping you could answer a quick question about the wiki. The quick-edit box has auto-complete enabled, which is very useful. Is there a module that works like this that would just take you to the page, instead of edit-mode? [19:07] what do you think chealer_ ? [19:07] hi RobertPlummer - the search box does all of that [19:07] Thanks jonnyb, did it in 6? [19:07] yup [19:08] foolishly i didn't do the migration patch and failed to remove quick-edit and the other old search [19:08] and now someone added a load of new stuff to quick-edit :( [19:11] lol [19:12] I had an integration with a google mini [19:12] And this seems to be a custom integration for how the systems work together. [19:13] Hey how do you guys feel about many of the arrays in trackers returning their array key as their item/field/tracker id? [19:19] RobertPlummer: not sure i follow [19:20] New Forum Posts: Modulproblem - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=10&comments_parentId=42069 [19:22] jonnyb getField() = array(121= [19:22] sorry spastic laptop [19:23] jonnyb: take a look at this: http://dev.tiki.org/Tracker+Query [19:24] great example of db id as array key [19:25] won't it break stuff? [19:25] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r36349 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Length was effectively still 30 because of the key length, which remains quite random for groupName across tiki, thanks to varchar(255) [19:25] if it was integrated with a blind fold. We'd want to fix the loose ends before fully migrated to it. [19:26] I just want to know if you guys think it is a good idea. [19:26] what's the advantage? [19:29] it provides a tighter integration for many features. [19:29] and makes extending much easier. [19:30] I know it is a small thing, but if say we are going to eventually make arrays objects, the basis will be already complete. [19:30] don't really follow, but go for it (carefully :P ) [19:32] which part are you trying to improve? [19:32] fetching fields from the definition? [19:33] *** chealer_ is now known as chealer [19:35] hi RobertPlummer [19:35] Well just imagine with tracker query if the keys were [19:35] 0++ [19:35] lphuberdeau: improve definitions [19:35] jonnyb: we may think of different stuff, but several things were remove from quick_edit a few months ago [19:37] jonnyb: re r36348, you want to send the database's tables? [19:38] hi chealer - just the row counts [19:39] jonnyb: oh. makes sense [19:40] (sorry, I knew you wanted to send the whole tables of course, but I didn't see the rows [19:40] ugh [19:40] (sorry, I knew you didn't want to send the whole tables of course, but I didn't see the rows) [19:41] would be a bit too invasive, i think ;) [19:42] some people are so suspicious, you know [19:42] even if it would be anonymous... [19:43] yes, we'll need a discussion about what data is "private" and what's share-able [19:47] * chealer thinks he failed to phrase his last 2 messages as humor about sending the whole database [19:49] chealer: need to sleep ? [19:50] changi: I'm not supposed to, I'm almost out of the bed [19:51] watch out for post-midnight commits [19:53] why you'll put some error that we have to catch ? [19:54] changi: what? [19:56] "watch out for post-midnights commit" i was thinking it was a joke, so i ask if we should be careful on your commit [19:57] * changi really need to sleep [19:57] changi: oh, the quiet comma confused me [19:58] changi: but yes, that's a great idea [19:58] I should study the obfuscated C contest until then [19:58] contest or context ? [19:59] changi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Obfuscated_C_Code_Contest [20:00] those who catch my error can patch it before rm -rf /; executes on their PC [20:01] chealer: waw [20:02] chealer: i love the 1998 winner [20:02] chealer: nice plane [20:05] I think the pi calculator above to be even funnier [20:06] changi: heh, indeed [20:06] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [20:07] my C is way too rusty to appreciate that, I need to find obfuscated PHP [20:08] RobertPlummer: still there? I'm not convinced by r36311 (Smarty cache) [20:10] the magic is in the precompiler directives... so that does not technically qualify as C [20:11] need to feed - bibi [20:11] *** jonnyb has quit IRC (Quit: I am going outside... I may be some time...) [20:15] need to sleep [20:15] see ya [20:15] *** changi is now known as changi|morphee [20:15] chealer: all I can tell you is that it was about 10% faster to give it that id. [20:20] RobertPlummer: can you reproduce that? we have $smarty->caching set to 0 currently [20:21] Sure, I sent 800 records to it, and tested it with cachegrind, compared both side by side, and the one with the id was faster. [20:21] RobertPlummer: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/4221 shows how Smarty caching was used previously for menus (note the change and restoration of $smarty->caching in function.menu.php [20:22] RobertPlummer: hum. can you make sense of that. 0 is CACHING_OFF. did you see http://www.smarty.net/docs/en/variable.caching.tpl ? [20:23] RobertPlummer: you may want to check http://www.smarty.net/docs/en/caching.tpl too [20:23] I did not check that, I'm just telling you what cachegrind told me ;) [20:24] I have no idea [20:24] Perhaps smarty 3 acts different than 2? [20:24] RobertPlummer: yeah, that seems fishy. do you understand the difference between "Smarty [variable] caching" and compiled templates? [20:25] RobertPlummer: I don't see why it would. these links are all to current Smarty documentation. [20:26] RobertPlummer: I'm thinking of removing all support for Smarty caching, as it's not used anywhere except, arguably, with your commit [20:26] chealer, you may remove it if you like, I was just comparing cachegrind outputs. [20:27] chealer: have you used cachegrind? [20:27] or xdebug profiler (more accurate)? [20:28] robert, you need to be careful about side-effects when optimizing stuff ;) [20:29] RobertPlummer: rodrigo_sampaio and I looked at some cachegrind stuff together but I don't think I ever ended up configuring cachegrind [20:29] RobertPlummer: I never used xdebug profiler for sure [20:29] lphuberdeau: was there a side effect? I'm try to optimize the tracker rendering process since it was a real bottleneck, we are working with trunk, I was just thinking that if it wasen't working right, if it was much faster,that we'd fix it before 8. [20:30] RobertPlummer: I'd like to test but I don't know tracker internals and don't particularly feel like setting up a profiler now [20:30] If there were side effects of those optimizations, they were not planned, but if they were brought to my attention I would do my best to fix them. [20:31] RobertPlummer: the thing is, if Smarty caching is for some reason actually enabled, there *would* presumably be bad side effects with this change [20:31] if it's not, then it shouldn't give any performance improvement [20:31] something's fishy and this would need to be investigated IMO [20:32] chealer: weren't my test results posted in the commit? I try to keep them in there when it is based on cachegrind. [20:32] smarty caching is likely to be too broad to work directly, like cache someone's version for everyone else [20:33] RobertPlummer: yes, but I was suspicious something could have given you a bad picture (the order of tests, for example) [20:33] RobertPlummer: if you don't understand the difference between the compiled templates cache and "Smarty [variable] caching", I suggest you check the links above or refrain from using it [20:34] if you ever investigate and find what happened though, I'd be very curious [20:35] I'm not sure that will ever happen if we roll it back. [20:35] I'm sure the energy will just be used elsewhere. [20:37] RobertPlummer: what would be your rough estimate of this commit's impact on tracker performance overall? 1% speedup, what? again, I don't know tracker internals [20:37] What did my commit say? [20:38] RobertPlummer: it said "I shaved 9% load time off $trklib->field_render_value's load time" but I don't know what that would mean concretely [20:39] on normal tracker usage, it's less than 3% for sure or I would have taken care of it before ;) [20:39] In the test case I was using tracker query lib, and the main slowdown with it is the rendering process. %9 off of the field_render_value was pretty substantial. Something like 1-2 seconds for 800 records. Probably not something you would notice with standard tracker usage, but it was just a test. [20:40] I did not mean to step on any toes, just make things faster. [20:40] I have been using tracker query lib to output a set of data for charts, and it was a noticeable gain there. [20:40] profiling was very clear in that case, there are no downsides [20:41] just little gains for normal cases [20:41] RobertPlummer: so how much would that be proportionally? [20:42] chealer: I went from 6 seconds to 4 seconds on that one. [20:42] As trackers mature, little speedups like that are going to be an overall help. [20:43] 10% here 10% there, eventually a dragster. [20:43] RobertPlummer, speedups in the handlers will have a bigger overall impact [20:43] That was a handler, no? [20:46] chealer: in all honesty, the end user is not going to be able to tell. But if we don't refine things, 1 by 1, it will never be refined. [20:47] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:47] RobertPlummer: well, that sounds significant. do as you want, I don't feel stepped on at all, I'm just concerned that doesn't do what we think, it sounds like black magic to me. [20:48] chealer: not all code is perfect, it could even be a bug in smarty 3. [20:48] RobertPlummer: while we're at it, was it intentional to leave the previous line commented (//return $smarty->fetch($file);) [20:48] chealer: your ability for quality control is really outstanding, I welcome the feedback and look forward to our continued work together. [20:48] no, that slipped by. [20:49] I was probably so excited that I shaved some time off the initial load time that I committed it in an act of pure stupidity. [20:49] (a.d.d. was truly at work) [20:50] RobertPlummer: hehe, thank you. [20:50] I'll just remove that comment then [20:50] chealer: you da man [20:51] on a side note, I feel that much of how we output those rendered objects can be greatly refined. [20:51] RobertPlummer: ADD, "attention deficit disorder"? [20:51] For instance, creating a new object for each field in an item, and then for each item, and then for each tracker, you can quickly use up many resources. [20:51] chealer: that is correct [20:52] On 800+ items I had 5000+ new objects called/created [20:52] And that is where the resources are being put [20:53] Even if it is just 1-2 new objects, when they start using other libs, they start sucking up resources really fast. [20:54] Why don't we create new object for each field, and reuse that field's object over and over, sending it the un-rendered each time for render but refine how we call it? [20:54] Anyway, just talking, I know there is a lot of migration in trackers, my hope is that can contribute ;). [20:54] RobertPlummer: oh. you already fixed that forgotten comment in r36315. not so deficient [20:55] chealer: :) [20:55] Sometimes the a.d.d isn't so bad. [20:57] RobertPlummer: you must be right if it's about tracker internals :-P [20:57] RobertPlummer: BTW, you couldn't come to Boston? [20:58] chealer: nope, I was assisting my wife in her 8 1/2 month of pregnancy [20:58] But I wanted to! (and it is the thought that counts.... or so I have been told) [20:59] RobertPlummer: oooohh. I didn't have that in mind, fair excuse. congratulations :-) [20:59] thanks, he is almost 5 months now and is trying to sound out words. [20:59] it is really something to wathc [20:59] watch [21:01] RobertPlummer: I hope you can still manage to come to some upcoming TikiFest and warn other developers against that path ;-) [21:02] lol [21:02] RobertPlummer: have you seen Richard Stallman's posts on the topic BTW? [21:02] chealer: I was hoping we could put something together for boston this fall actually [21:02] There is a huge svg convention, seems like a good idea to have it at the same time. [21:03] a microsoft thing [21:03] chealer: I brought it to the dev list, but never got a reply. [21:03] RobertPlummer: SVG, the vectorial graphics thing, a Microsoft thing :-? [21:03] chealer: right, I think they are hosting it or something. [21:04] chealer: Might be a good time to network, and show how Tiki can compete with the big guys. [21:04] RobertPlummer: odd. SVG is exciting but I never looked into it. [21:04] should check svg-edit [21:04] chealer: Used tiki draw? it is svg. [21:05] RobertPlummer: unfortunately not, but I was planning to check it [21:05] chealer: It needs a bit of work before it is perfect, but it is getting there. [21:06] I think it is amazing that sometime like tiki can basically remove the whole office programs from your computer. [21:06] RobertPlummer: anyway, I think I saw your mail. I should have time for a TikiFest in the fall, wherever it is, Boston was a good place. [21:06] chealer: then reply :) [21:06] hehe [21:28] *** rodrigo_sampaio has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [21:34] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [21:38] *** RobertPlummer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [21:44] tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r36350 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [FIX] Prevent redirect loop. Also make this switch domain on perspective change feature optional as changing domains have session cookie issues which may be uninteneded [22:02] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:04] Where do I say now that a tracker field has a link to the item? [22:07] nkoth: do you have an example of relation tracker field? [22:23] yes. [22:26] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r36351 10/trunk/lib/init/smarty.php: [REF] remove support for Smarty caching, introduced in r4221 but unused after r12649 [22:29] sylvieg1: i replied to mailing list, hope it helps [22:29] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:29] thx [22:46] *** nkoth has left [23:06] *** redflo has left [23:11] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [23:40] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.18/20110628231248])