#tikiwiki 2011-09-08,Thu

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Who	What	When
Trebly	Hi, Who can inform me about the db management and his upgrades during dev (i.e. 7.1, 7.x ->) ?. The reason of this question is again after updating SVN, and a run of installer, that I got a fatal error : new column in table "tiki-plugin-security" "added_by" not updated. I am not sure there are not other bugs in db update. I think that such problems are normal during dev, but the developer, who updates, should be able to check the db (his, new ref, after upgrade). If you think in the chat that this remark is pertinent, I will open a discussion on [tiki-devel]	[00:01]
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CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37032 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: Admin Cagegories: show less when in no category tikiwiki: [REF] Optimize paths display	[00:21]
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RobertPlummer	Man, has anyone played with openlayers at all recently? I know we have an integration in tiki. I'm working on a project where I'm using it, I gotta tell you, it is solid!	[00:46]
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dthacker	What's the minimum MySQL requirement for tiki 7.1? help !help	[00:57]
Tiki\|bot	You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tiki.org/TikiBot .	[00:59]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer, have you come across my ActiveXObject is not defined in http://openlayers.org/api/2.10/OpenLayers..js line 246? something Gears related by my reading dthacker, should be MySql 5 why?	[01:00]
RobertPlummer	Not yet that I know of. I would be glad to look into it while I'm doing the other stuff though.	[01:00]
dthacker	nkoth, 'cos I'm trying my first install in a couple of years.	[01:00]
RobertPlummer	I'm getting more and more into the code and how to manipulate.	[01:00]
nkoth\|nelson	dthacker; I have it trunk running on 5.0.77 (centos default) so should be ok	[01:01]
dthacker	BTW info.tiki.org is not answering for me.	[01:01]
nkoth\|nelson	info responds for me	[01:01]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: I tell you what though, their team is very responsive, you can run it by their IRC channel. I think it is #openlayers	[01:01]
dthacker	ISP DNS, no doubt	[01:01]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer it looks like it's in a try catch block, would that trigger firebug?	[01:08]
RobertPlummer	Does it do it in any other browser?	[01:08]
nkoth\|nelson	I don't think it's a fatal error I mean it's in a try block	[01:08]
RobertPlummer	I've not had any trouble with openlayers and firebug specifically. Is it an error, or a warning? nelson, there is only 1 try in that line. Containing this: "return OpenLayers.Rico.Color.createColorFromBackground(el).asHex();"	[01:08]
nkoth\|nelson	maybe it's the wring line number then	[01:11]
RobertPlummer	Is there a way I can reproduce the error?	[01:12]
nkoth\|nelson	I'm going to ignore it, it is just a try catch so I think firebug picks up the catch	[01:13]
RobertPlummer	ok. I'm heading out for the night. email me if you need me.	[01:13]
nkoth\|nelson	it's mot really an error, just a notification a break notification	[01:14]
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nkoth\|nelson	dthacker: tiki 8 will be much better than 7 (the second one after LTS is always the best) Are you installing it for something specific or just testing it out?	[01:27]
dthacker	nkoth\|nelson: I haven't installed anything since 1.9, so I'm just testing.	[01:28]
nkoth\|nelson	might as well test trunk then :) but anyway, much nicer than 1.9 already how are you doing?	[01:28]
dthacker	hehe, I can see that from the docs and front page. I'm good. Wanting to get back into helping. Need to re-learn the ropes.	[01:29]
nkoth\|nelson	you're always wecome (and I would say much needed now that there is so much more to document :))	[01:31]
dthacker	good to hear :)	[01:32]
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CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37033 10/trunk/lib/core/Search/GlobalSource/CategorySource.php: [REF] getParents(): optimize. untested	[02:24]
	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37034 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: tikiwiki: [REF] reorder get_category_path_string_with_root() tikiwiki: [REF] remove get_category_path(), unused since r37033	[02:30]
	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37035 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [REF] CategLib: document that remove_category() also removes descendants tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37036 10/trunk/ (tiki-search_replace.php tiki-theme_control.php): [FIX] Sorry, I apparently didn't commit these in r37028	[02:36]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: categories break for me let be check	[02:43]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I played with the cache a lot, so be sure to clear that before anything	[02:46]
nkoth\|nelson	CategLib->get_category('orphan') leads to Invalid category intier	[02:47]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: hum. and where is that called from?	[02:47]
nkoth\|nelson	lib/core/Search/GlobalSource/CategorySource.php	[02:47]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: could you give me a full backtrace? if it's coming from CategorySource.php:65, that means getParents() is getting called with a string as $categId	[02:50]
nkoth\|nelson	yes, I am in theat file now, and svn loggin basically the cause is line 42, which then leads to getWithParent then getParents anyway, chealer: http://pastebin.com/r2FHJH0d	[02:51]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: ah. indeed. one of my earlier commits did reveal these kinds of errors. nkoth\|nelson: that comes from http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/31022 could you report?	[02:53]
nkoth\|nelson	actually i know how to fix it it's pretty obvious	[02:57]
chealer	excellent (didn't look at the new search yet)	[02:58]
CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37037 10/trunk/lib/core/Search/GlobalSource/CategorySource.php: [FIX] If there are no categories for object, then don't bother to getWithParent, otherwise trying to do so with string 'orphan' is nonsense, which now with more rigid checking in categlib causes error	[03:01]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer ^	[03:01]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: thanks	[03:03]
nkoth\|nelson	orphan is used to search for items with no category... because you can't search for empty/no values in the unified search	[03:11]
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CIA-50	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37038 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [REF] get_categorypath(): somewhat document and remove unused parameter include_excluded, despite the nice name	[03:51]
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phazuka	hi all, just a quickie question what's the wiki syntax for making a TOC update from the pages I'm editing? say, i have a main page TOC and making a page that has it's own TOC...is there a way for the main page to auto-update from teh pages i'm editing?	[06:11]
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olinuxx	bonjour :)	[06:19]
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Merbster	good morning	[06:29]
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Merbster	fabricius, Weren't you mucking around with conditional menus?	[06:38]
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fabricius	polom merbster hi. hmmm I did use the words a few time recently	[06:40]
Merbster	fabricius, but you haven't set it up?	[06:41]
fabricius	Merbster: in my mind it belongs to site organisation / structuring Merbster: I did a longer while ago I think, there are two ways -> with categories - what I never got find out , but will try to find out again -> the contextual menu, where you have the same menu twice, but with different parameters sylvieg: did explain that to me a few month ago and I added to one of the menu/module documantations let me check, if I find the link for you Merbster	[06:41]
	Merbster: http://doc.tiki.org/menu#Creating_a_Custom_Menu -> scroll down to "contextual menu example" and see "three steps to a contextual menu"	[06:51]
Merbster	fabricius, thank you I will take a look at this	[06:54]
fabricius	When I find out how to do with categories, I will add it to this doc aswell one guy (arild or bernard I do not remember) brought me to an idea that could work aswell - it is not really a contextual menu, but may be used for one (and even maybe maintained automatically): using the category list plugin that might be configured to list pages of certain categories under certain conditions but again ... we need the module preference to show/hide a module according to the actual category that would meke things much easier	[06:55]
Merbster	I found somewhere, where it's possible to bind a module display to a perspective. But I can't find it again fabricius, have you noticed that the UI for editing modules that contains menus are different than modules containing something else?	[07:06]
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Merbster	hmm. I am confused now	[07:13]
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Bernard1	hi all ! "one guy (arild or bernard I do not remember)" i vote for Bernard ! :)	[07:20]
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Merbster	Does anyone know how to include wiki plugins in smarty templates?	[07:33]
coaboa	good morning & polom tikiverse	[07:44]
	Merbster: see themes.tiki.org - Template Tricks there is a description on how to include those	[07:49]
Merbster	coaboa, I have been looking at that page but did not find anything, do you remember what heading it is under?	[07:49]
coaboa	mom	[07:50]
Bernard1	hi coaboa	[07:52]
coaboa	themes - Tricks - Template Tricks http://themes.tiki.org/Template+Tricks page3 Add wiki Syntax in custom code area (works also in tpl as far as I know)	[07:53]
Merbster	coaboa, I tried it, I get syntax errors	[07:53]
coaboa	oh. I used it. but not recently	[07:53]
Merbster	I get "unrecognized tag: literal" and it complains about my {wiki} tag not being closed, but it is! :S	[07:54]
coaboa	which tiki version	[07:54]
Merbster	7.1	[07:54]
coaboa	mom	[07:54]
Merbster	coaboa, I found an error. my literal tag was not closed. :S now I don't get errors, but the JQ stuff I tried to include via. the JQ plugin is just output as plaintext not {JQ()} though. only the actualy JQ code	[07:56]
coaboa	I think that is because of smarty security. But I never tryed to use js in this way	[07:58]
Merbster	I have disabled smarty security coaboa, http://pastebin.com/b6GieT12 <- you can see my module defintion here I have used {JQ()} plugin in wikipages before. I don't think JQ plugin can handle being included from a module :P	[07:58]
coaboa	don't know that	[08:01]
Merbster	coaboa, can JQ access variables in $_REQUEST ? I am thinking to just add the hiding code in the custom area part under look & feel I need to compare on $objectCategoryIds variable. but I don't know how to access it from JS	[08:01]
coaboa	I used {if $objectCategoryIds[0] eq ''}Somethint to do {/if} directly in the template but I'am not a coder ;-) but this works for me	[08:07]
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Merbster	coaboa, in the first iteration I used that too. But it did not work with the JS code. So I ghtouhg I would test if I could get JS code running first and then use that trick	[08:10]
	Hmm. Tiki is not including the JS stuff I am inserting in look and feel	[08:24]
fabricius	Merbster - I just saw, that you asked me a question at 9:11	[08:24]
Merbster	Don't bother fabricius :P	[08:25]
fabricius	Merbster: "fabricius, have you noticed that the UI for editing modules that contains menus are different than modules containing something else?" Merbster: is that still actual?	[08:25]
Merbster	All user modules doesn't have the nice UI but you can set preferences through text.	[08:25]
fabricius	yupi I often have to put module parameters in manually - if I use the WYSIWYG editor, I have to switch into the source mode for that not nice, but works well an so I relatively often look into the doc.tiki.org - all documentation - wikiplugins ... to find all the parameters listed, I could not remind so you are sorted with that issue?	[08:26]
Merbster	fabricius, I was referring to specifying user modules. Like in what perspective the module should be shown fabricius, on all menus, you need to put the menu in a module that calls the menu, and then assign the module to one of your bars if you in "parameters" text filed type "page=somePage" the module (i.e. the menu in the module) is only shown when page = somePage	[08:28]
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Merbster	fabricius, I found a somewhat "userfriendly" solution for page specific menues	[08:39]
	page specific as several specific pages can use the same menu. not just one (as with the page=pageName) parameter (or does it support several pages?)	[08:50]
fabricius	I think it supports several pages, as most kind of parameters you can put in several divided by comma or by semicolon sadly theses parametersettings seems to be not always reliable for some sorts of parameters there is exclusion missing and again: limitation of categories (inclusion and exclusion) is missing another way should be some smarty filter syntax in an custom_module instead of the module_menu what "userfriendly" solution you have discovered?	[09:03]
Merbster	fabricius, adding 1 line of JS in look and feel that hides the menu. and in all pages that need it I include 1 line of JS to show it again. So the menu is hidden and when the user enters a page that is set to show it. it will do it. Almost the same as page=somePage	[09:06]
fabricius	so the menu appears, when a page is active, that contains thi JS line	[09:07]
Merbster	Yes	[09:07]
fabricius	I am more and more convinced to setup a special documentation area on doc.t.o for structuring Tiki websites all this contextual menus, hide and show menus/modules, perspectives, areas etc.	[09:07]
Merbster	fabricius, It can be a daunting task to find all this information beacuse it is spread around. And when new with tiki it's hard having an overview of what Tiki as capable of	[09:08]
fabricius	and for all these issues some grafical stuff, some pics, step by step HowTo etc. I remember, when I started and after nearly 2 years, I still haven found all that what I needed then for ex this category contextual menu was mentioned a few times, but never found it have an idea now and the perspectives ... even much experienced Tiki users and admins fear to work with them and do not really understand for what it could be used for many people here perspectives are kind of a mystery that is not necessary I am thinking about that since long time and I think, I have now nearly a concept for this part of documentation remember how good the few lines of Luci yestarday have been	[09:09]
Merbster	Alot of the docs needs an overhaul :P	[09:15]
fabricius	th doc revamp, yes Rick is on that	[09:17]
Merbster	I am editing and improving docs as I try	[09:18]
fabricius	restructuring the docs yes, we all should contirbute in that	[09:18]
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chibaguy	polom	[09:53]
coaboa	hi chibaguy	[09:54]
chibaguy	hi coaboa	[09:54]
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Bernard1	Ouin ! on a 6.p each time i submit an article i got a database error… how can i track such error ?	[10:42]
Merbster	Bernard1, make sure PHP error level is set correctly. maybe look at tiki-syslog.php (I don't know if failed DB queries are logged by default)	[10:45]
Bernard1	k	[10:46]
Merbster	But php error level set to strcit will show the DB erros at the bottom of tikis page in the "PHP errors" tab	[10:46]
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Merbster	if($("#itemExist").length > 0) { $("#editItemForm1").parents("td:first").hide(); } else { alert("you suck"); } <- it HTML encodes my >	[11:03]
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Bernard1	Merbster: tks	[11:34]
Merbster	Bernard1, ?	[11:34]
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Bernard1	Lost in space… tks for your comments about db error ! :) hi Rick nick /Bernard\|Away	[11:35]
Merbster	Bernard1, you solved the problem I take it?	[11:36]
Bernard1	arf	[11:36]
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ricks99	polom	[11:36]
Bernard\|Away	not yet got to run… Thursday is a stressful day in Israel ! :D	[11:36]
Merbster	Bernard\|Away, lol. Well have a nice day! ricks99, Good evening sir! :) evening maybe not	[11:36]
ricks99	morning here :-)	[11:37]
Merbster	I don't know what I'm thinking it's afternoon here	[11:37]
RobertPlummer	risks99, you are on our side of the lake, right? (US)	[11:37]
ricks99	yup. NC	[11:37]
RobertPlummer	ah yes, I remember now.	[11:37]
Merbster	I still need to visit america	[11:39]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: You in Europe?	[11:42]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I am Danish yes. :)	[11:42]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: I've only been to the US, Caribbean, and Mexico, I'd like to visit Europe next.	[11:43]
SJ-Jay	RobertPlummer, nothing really to see.. other then rain rain rain! especially in DK never had so much rain as this yeah year	[11:44]
RobertPlummer	SJ-Jay: WOw Well, I guess the grass is always greener. Does it get very hot there?	[11:44]
SJ-Jay	just kiddin'... u can always take a glance at our famous little mermaid.. oh wait.. no the chinese guys took it :D	[11:45]
RobertPlummer	Here, in the midwest, there is a 100 degree (Fahrenheit) difference in the winter vs the summer.	[11:45]
ricks99	plenty of rain so far this fall in NC (with more on the way)	[11:46]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: You around? chealer: How about you?	[11:51]
fabricius	Merbster: could I use the following code for a contextual menu? Merbster: {if isset($objectCategoryIds) and in_array(2, $objectCategoryIds)} {menu id=43 css=y type=horiz}{else}{menu id=44 css=y type=horiz}{/if}	[11:54]
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Bernard1	"Sun is shining, the weather is sweet…" (Bob Marley) ;)	[11:55]
Merbster	fabricius, the menues will change yes. but if you need to hide the menu entirely the border of the module will still be there fabricius, Also you need to set "categories in templates"	[11:55]
fabricius	Merbster: If I use only single links to categorized landingpages in the topbar Merbster: but it might be possible to show/hide the menu module with perspectives/areas	[11:56]
SJ-Jay	ricks99, we had more rain in July then we usually have i an entire year!	[11:57]
fabricius	so with or without the perspective binder	[11:57]
Merbster	fabricius, I am not sure. If you can categorize a module (or set it to only show in a specific perspective yes you can do that)	[11:58]
fabricius	Merbster: best would be to have the module parameters show / hide in category (several devided by semicolon), what is not yet coded	[11:59]
SJ-Jay	RobertPlummer, think it's the same in Denmark ;)	[11:59]
Merbster	fabricius, you can show/hide module based on current perspective, it's ALMOST the same as category :P since categories are bound to perspectives.	[11:59]
fabricius	Merbster: for this simple usecase perspective seems to be a usable workaround - BUT like shooting sparrows with am M16 Merbster: and to make it really working with perspectives you need the perspective binder - what is still a hack and not yet natively included in the code	[12:00]
Merbster	fabricius, I agree. :P but then there's the JS way or using page as menu plugin fabricius, you could use the "page as menu plugin" and include ALL menues in that page. and use smarty {if} to show the different modules depending on $objectCategoryIds	[12:01]
fabricius	Merbster: I will try the category method and I will try the JS method - hope you'd give me a hand - in a few days Merbster: then I think I have the necessary stuff to start the structuring documentation	[12:02]
Merbster	fabricius, the JS method has a side effect; ALL menues will show en 2-3 seconds before they are hidden the page as menu probably won't have that side effect	[12:03]
fabricius	So we get a few ways and combinations stacked together, how to structure Tiki in respect of navigation and visibility included with the Areas - your perspective_binder it's gonna to become awesome	[12:05]
Bernard1	ok found the edit-submit bug… The form require an author name and is not working when author is not registered and the field is filled manually (submission are open to anonymous).	[12:07]
fabricius	just needs to be put on one page	[12:07]
Bernard1	oups sry Torsten. :)	[12:07]
fabricius	oups for what Bernard? :-P	[12:07]
Bernard1	i don't like when i jump in the middle of an ongoing discussion... :)	[12:08]
fabricius	hehe no problem - what you should do, if so many people have to sare the same room? and I hope, that this discussion might be interesting for more people and I think, most is said for now anyway	[12:09]
Bernard1	Torsten, will you be here tomorrow ? I have to test the areas thing and decide between the options i got for a self creating menu. (today i won;t have enought time)	[12:11]
fabricius	Bernard, definitely NOT tomorrow and mostlikely not before saturday evening But if you want to start before: I did describe everything step by step in a comment in the file you can download the file here: http://dev.tiki.org/Areas open in your editor and follow step by step	[12:14]
Bernard1	great i'll do then, a important question does it work with the LST ?	[12:16]
Merbster	Bernard1, why are you using LTS?	[12:16]
fabricius	in the file you need to change the base category Id (if it would not be the category with Id=1, what makes sense at a fresh installation) AND you need to write your database credentials into the file in two lines (around line fiftysomething) in one line all credentials, like localhost, dbname, dbusernam, password and in one line only the dbname	[12:16]
Bernard1	Merbster: part of my business is on intranet and off-line website. It is a pain to upgrade them so i stick to 6.x lts as i need extended support and have a few options in case of something is broken.	[12:18]
fabricius	you have to do changes/entries in three lines altogether the an include in tiki-setup.php and some configuration in the Tiki admin panel	[12:18]
Merbster	Bernard1, ok. so there's a service provider that gives support on LTS version of tiki?	[12:19]
Bernard1	yes, me :D	[12:19]
fabricius	If you did once before, tha setup will need just five minutes altogether	[12:19]
Merbster	Bernard1, I use tiki for intranet too. But I found out quite fast that Tiki stable gets bugfixes alot faster than LTS version.	[12:19]
Bernard1	yes but may be you are in site…. i'm not. And i require several authorizations before i can put a finger on a keyboard there… ^^ ok Torsten… but again did you test it with tw6.x ?	[12:20]
fabricius	6.x and 7.x	[12:22]
Bernard1	cool	[12:23]
Merbster	Any of you that is here now that knows jQuery?	[12:36]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: I've been developing with jQuery for sometime. I wrote jQuery.sheet and jQuery.s5 and a few others. and use it regularly in tiki.	[12:37]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, http://jsfiddle.net/eJ79r/ <- I am trying to select the next link after the #itemExist input Actually the href attribute value. I am still new with JQ and I find the selectors mildly confusing at times :P	[12:38]
RobertPlummer	Updated $(function() { var someCoolHr = $("#itemExist").next().find("a.tablename").attr("href"); alert(someCoolHr); });	[12:39]
Merbster	btw. just to clarify, under no circumstance would I use those var names in production code :P	[12:41]
RobertPlummer	lol	[12:41]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, what's the point of being able to suppluy elements to .next if you need to do find on them anywas? anyways* RobertPlummer, another thing, why wrap it in an anonymous function? Oh yes, another thing. THANK YOU RobertPlummer :)	[12:42]
RobertPlummer	the $(function() {}); probably isn't needed, but is the same as $(document).ready(function() {}); It is just good practice.	[12:45]
Merbster	ok RobertPlummer, Thank you for telling me, I _try_ to abide by good (best?) practices when I can	[12:46]
ricks99	hmm... tiki 6.4 getting Fatal Error: Interface "Zend_Captcha_Adapter" not found..... and WSOD :-(	[12:51]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, does global JS vars persist across postbacks?	[12:51]
RobertPlummer	from 1 page to another?	[12:52]
Merbster	it's the same page	[12:52]
RobertPlummer	if it is an ajax postback, yes.	[12:52]
Merbster	oh I don't know if it is	[12:52]
RobertPlummer	$.ajax() or $.post() or $.get()	[12:52]
Merbster	it's nit not* then	[12:53]
RobertPlummer	Then no, javascript life-cycle is page bound.	[12:53]
Merbster	I am trying to make a nice page with a tracker and a trackerlist	[12:53]
RobertPlummer	You need a server side component.	[12:53]
Merbster	if the trackerlist has 1 item. the tracker should be hidden (always)	[12:53]
RobertPlummer	If it a wiki page or php? (html)	[12:54]
Merbster	wikipage	[12:54]
RobertPlummer	ah	[12:54]
Merbster	trhough JQ plugin	[12:54]
RobertPlummer	ok	[12:54]
Merbster	then we have an "edit button link" that supplies the itemId param	[12:54]
RobertPlummer	hm...	[12:54]
Merbster	so that the tracker entes edit mode (instead of entry mode)	[12:54]
RobertPlummer	Sounds like you should build a plugin for what you are doing.	[12:55]
Merbster	I have 7 days until deadline no time	[12:55]
RobertPlummer	lol, I think you could do it in much less if you did it in php.	[12:55]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, But then we have a "custom" wiki.	[12:56]
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RobertPlummer	aren't they all custom ;)	[12:56]
Merbster	I need to learn hwo to do DB queries etc. all the "correct wiki way"	[12:56]
RobertPlummer	Merbster, use Tracker Query lib $trkqrylib->tracker_query("Tracker Name"); and you have all the tracker data you need. Manipulate at will	[12:56]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I think I can manage with JQ plugin and pretty tracker :P	[12:57]
RobertPlummer	ok	[12:58]
Merbster	I haven't given up yet atleast	[12:58]
RobertPlummer	Just a suggestion, I know that it can be done in wiki what you want, it just seems like a lot of overhead.	[12:58]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I agree. but we're limited to around 100-150 users and if it doesn't scale well I can optimize by using plugins later after I "finished" for the deadline	[12:58]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: That sounds good.	[13:00]
ricks99	any help for rick's zend fatal error ^^^ pls	[13:01]
Merbster	ricks99, I would love to help you but I have no clue as what's going on	[13:01]
ricks99	tx anyway merbster	[13:02]
RobertPlummer	risks99 What is the problem?	[13:03]
ricks99	01tiki 6.4 getting Fatal Error: Interface "Zend_Captcha_Adapter" not found..... and WSOD 01	[13:03]
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Merbster	RobertPlummer, Can JS fetch and set variables from $_REQUEST ?	[13:04]
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RobertPlummer	Merbster: You should use json if you are going to do that. THere are plugins that allow you to do it, but none that I've used perfectly do it. Merbster: You need a server side component.	[13:04]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, ok.	[13:05]
RobertPlummer	ricks99: What options do you have on that could be leading to this? Have you tried switching them off and on?	[13:05]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, the reason why you think the plugin way is better, is because there's no way to preserve state of the page when clicking the link that feeds the tracker with itemId	[13:05]
ricks99	@RobertPlummer: this is after an upgrade 6.2 -> 6.4 I can't get to any tiki page	[13:05]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: It isn't always that, you can always find a way around that, it is when you are using things in a very custom way, it adds to complexity. Some things can be done much easier and with way fewer lines of code. But it also ads to complexity when upgrading so I can see your point of view.	[13:07]
Merbster	exactly. RobertPlummer, So. to preserve state of the page, I could write something like a smarty plugin (so that I have a server side component) ?	[13:08]
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RobertPlummer	Sure	[13:09]
Merbster	The smarty plugin would simply take a json object containing state information. And it would load the json object on page load.	[13:09]
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RobertPlummer	Merbster: But you remember that tiki is community driven, if you have a good idea for a plugin, add it. to core, and then it will be updated when you go to upgrade.	[13:09]
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RobertPlummer	Merbster: But you may want to generalize it a bit.	[13:10]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, ofcourse. I just haven't had the time to learn SVN properly yet	[13:10]
RobertPlummer	No learning. Merbster: You windows or linux?	[13:10]
Merbster	Windows	[13:10]
RobertPlummer	We live in the age of gui, have a gui manage it. TortoiseSVN, download NOW!	[13:10]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I know tortoise SVN but getting familiar with it still takes time :P	[13:11]
RobertPlummer	DOwnload, install, checkout, mod, click update, add comment, done.	[13:11]
ricks99	if rick can svn on win, anyone can	[13:11]
Merbster	Yes But I'm afraid I'll comit something nasty and ruin everything :P	[13:11]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: I used to think it was very complex, but seriosly, just install Tortoisesvn, it is VERY easy.	[13:11]
fabricius	And for Linux "PySVN Workbench" might do the job similarly good	[13:11]
RobertPlummer	If you can start you computer, you can use it.	[13:11]
Merbster	Ofcourse. But it still takes 1 hour to sit down and tinker with it.	[13:11]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: RabbitVCS I use with PySVN Workbench.	[13:12]
Merbster	But I have a plan of installing svn and using netbeans interface	[13:12]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: No it doesn't just download it, it is almost self explaining.	[13:12]
Merbster	to have everything nicely integrated	[13:12]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Tortoise adds contect menu integrtion. Merbster: It is shell integrated. right click on folder, click checkout, supply path, done.	[13:12]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I know. actually it's allready installed.	[13:13]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Then go ahead and create your plugin, and I will walk you through committing it later.	[13:13]
fabricius	Merbster: even I understood it (the basic use) after I have been shown once in Strasbourg - you won t need even that	[13:13]
Merbster	But last time I used SVN /tortoise we where 4 IT engineer students that had trouble merging our code without overwriting something important :P	[13:13]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Tortoise won't let you commit if you do it right if you haven't updated your code.	[13:14]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: I do not know RabbitVCS	[13:14]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Plus you are creating a new entity, nobody is going to mess with that. fabricius: It is a tortoisesvn clone. for svn and git	[13:14]
fabricius	aye	[13:14]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, You make it sound like I don't even have a choice ;)	[13:14]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Life is full of choices, I'm simply giving you the path of least resistance.	[13:15]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: and why it would be better to use both tools together (Rabbit and Workbench)?	[13:15]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: lol, rabbit vcs is awesome.... when it works ;) fabricius: it is just too new, and it is pretty slow.	[13:15]
fabricius	But I need Workbench as technical base?	[13:16]
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RobertPlummer	fabricius: RabbitVCS gives full folder integration, it makes me lazy. fabricius: Py takes 1-2 extra clicks that my fingers don't want to do ;) fabricius: No they do the same thing, but one is a workbench, and the other is full nautilus integration. or thundar	[13:16]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, yes ofc. I was just trying to be humouristic ;)	[13:18]
chealer	polom	[13:26]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, smarty pluign should be ok right? - it can be included from wikipages, artciles etc. as long as smarty security is disabled?	[13:26]
RobertPlummer	chealer: polom	[13:26]
Merbster	(no need for a fully fledged wiki plugin)	[13:26]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Yea I wouldn't touch smarty, that is a big can of worms.	[13:27]
Merbster	I don't wanna edit smarty code itself :P Was more wondering if smarty plugin was ok. compared to wikiplugin	[13:27]
lphuberdeau	you can't include smarty plugins from wiki pages	[13:29]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: Thanks, I didn't know on that one.	[13:29]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, so I have to do a wikiplugin wrapper then	[13:29]
lphuberdeau	I don't know what you want to do, the log is too long for me to read	[13:30]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, I need to persist page state across a postback	[13:30]
lphuberdeau	what?	[13:30]
Merbster	lol ok I take it from the top I have a page with a tracker and a trackerlist, trackerlist has responsibility of showing items in the tracker. I want to hide the tracker when there's 1 item in it because users are not allowed to create more than one item. When clicking an edit link, I want to show the tracker, in edit mode. (by passing itemId in the url) But. When I press the edit link the JS that hides the tracker, is executed So I need to indicate that I am in "editmode" I thouhgt I could do that by adding a click handler on the edit link and setting editmode = 1 but since JS code ends its life when you do a postback that variable will be celared. cleared* lphuberdeau, So RobertPlummer suggested I needed a serverside part. To do that. and that's where the smarty plugin came in.	[13:30]
lphuberdeau	that sounds too detailed for me to comment on	[13:34]
Merbster	Let's just say I am testing the outer bounds of what tiki can do with it's own functionality these days. :P	[13:35]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: My solution wasen't to write a plugin based off that, there were other requirements that you spoke of, and it just sounded a bit more complex than what I'm used to with wikiplugins.	[13:35]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, you suggested a serverside part. And I suggested maybe a smarty plugin (because I have written one of those allready)	[13:36]
lphuberdeau	I just don't get the issue of the edit form hiding seems to me you're trying to patch over a navigation issue	[13:36]
RobertPlummer	agreed	[13:37]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, If I keep the tracker vat all times, I might be in the situation where the user will add an item, instead of editing the item	[13:37]
lphuberdeau	and you should be fixing the navigation issue	[13:37]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, It would take me a week or more to figure out hwo to fix it properly and commit it back to tiki and I have a deadline in 7 days	[13:37]
lphuberdeau	what causes the limit of 1 item?	[13:37]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, business rules. we need to document what kind of contract has been agreed on a certain project. but there's only 1 contract	[13:37]
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Merbster	and having a user add more than one will be confusing	[13:39]
lphuberdeau	I don't think I can help you without getting the full picture, and 7 days is too short for me to help anyway	[13:39]
ricks99	BTW: hope everyone saw that Tiki was added to the top 30 cms on cmsreport: http://cmsreport.com/blog/2011/10-new-content-management-systems-cms-focus	[13:39]
RobertPlummer	ricks99: Woohoo!	[13:40]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, getting the full picture how? lphuberdeau, what else do you want to know?	[13:41]
lphuberdeau	I don't see your problem and it lies in details about your business I don't have so I can't help	[13:41]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, problem is. the tracker should only contain 1 item And we want users to only edit that one item never ever add a new one they should not even be able to add a new one because they WILL do it. and then we have to give them support and tell them what they did wrong and they will hate the system	[13:42]
lphuberdeau	don't give them permission to create new items?	[13:43]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, they need to create 1 item if the tracker is empty actually the tracker can contains several items, but they have different categories, those categories are jailed in each of their own perspectives in short, how would you build the UI so that it limits insertion of items to 1. ?	[13:43]
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lphuberdeau	ricks99: we need to resolve some issue with the service provider list	[13:50]
ricks99	?	[13:51]
lphuberdeau	it's killing the server the filter allows for too many options	[13:51]
changi\|work	ricks99: hi ricks99: did you see lph answer from our mysql problem on info.to with the consultant page	[13:51]
lphuberdeau	for the moment, could you live with only name, location and type as filters?	[13:52]
changi\|work	lphuberdeau: thx	[13:52]
ricks99	i can live with it, but it makes the list un-useful for end users	[13:52]
lphuberdeau	well, we don't have a gazillion consultants now	[13:53]
ricks99	i understand, do what needs to be done. it this a limitation / issue with trackers? or did i build the consultant tracker incorrectly?	[13:53]
lphuberdeau	well, I think there are too many yes/no switches that could be better served with categories but it's a limitation with trackerlist and one of the reason unified search was built	[13:54]
ricks99	Hm... maybe you can rework it, so I can see what you mean.	[13:55]
changi\|work	for the record,it tack 400% of CPU for 5 minutes to get a result s/tack/take	[13:55]
lphuberdeau	actually, taking out name and username would help as well	[13:56]
ricks99	ricks99 thinks all fields are useful for searching, but if performance is an issue, feel free to streamline	[13:56]
Jyhem	Polom	[13:58]
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changi\|work	ricks99: there are no error when you select any everywhere, you can test switching all checkbox to no ricks99: the query did not end	[14:01]
ricks99	does it return an error, or simply poor performance?	[14:01]
changi\|work	take 10 minutes to get the result, when apache does not kill the connection	[14:02]
ricks99	so it is a performance issue... a problem with trackers in general?	[14:03]
changi\|work	ricks99: yes a performance issue, too much join in the query : \| 7125 \| info \| doc.tikiwiki.org:53908 \| infoto \| Query \| 153 \| statistics \| SELECT tti.*, ttif.`value`, ttf.`type`, sttif.`value` as `sortvalue` FROM ( `tiki_tracker_items` tti INNER JOIN `tiki_tracker_item_fields` ttif ON tti.`itemId` = ttif.`itemId` INNER JOIN `tiki_tracker_fields` ttf ON ttf.`fieldId` = ttif.`fieldId`) LEFT JOIN (`tiki_tracker_ite	[14:03]
ricks99	sounds like someone needs to fix trackers. ;-)	[14:04]
lphuberdeau	this is not about fixing trackers, it's about making that part of them obsolete, far beyond repair changi, made the change	[14:04]
ricks99	ricks99 confused.	[14:05]
changi\|work	lphuberdeau: you're the best lphuberdeau: thx	[14:05]
ricks99	is there something i need to do? or lph already did it?	[14:05]
changi\|work	ricks99: lph already did it	[14:06]
lphuberdeau	I removed most filters, which keeps the query manageable	[14:06]
changi\|work	ricks99: it is just that you are now informed that we made some change on the consultant page	[14:06]
ricks99	ok. but that's not a real solution	[14:06]
lphuberdeau	something that could help is removing all the yes/no fields and turning them into a single, multi-select category field	[14:06]
Jyhem	can we now all try it, to confirm that it doesn't crash ? :-)	[14:06]
changi\|work	ricks99: it's a workaround	[14:06]
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changi\|work	Jyhem: yes you can	[14:06]
ricks99	i agree a workaround.	[14:07]
Jyhem	url ?	[14:07]
changi\|work	info.tiki.org/Consultants	[14:07]
ricks99	@lph: could the fileds be converted? or a whole new field and manually moved?	[14:07]
lphuberdeau	yeah, requires a manual transition	[14:07]
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changi\|work	changi\|work Community Server thank you for the recent changes.	[14:08]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau, ricks99: I would love to see those huge queries migrate to tracker query lib so we can make it better for 8, and then when we refactor how trackers storage, it will be cake.	[14:10]
changi\|work	ricks99: when do you want to switch info.to to 7.x ?	[14:10]
lphuberdeau	I think it would improve usability as well... no more, Do you offer X? Do you offer Y?... just a Services you offer with checkboxes	[14:10]
ricks99	+1 but note that info in on lts -- not tiki7	[14:10]
lphuberdeau	robert, unified search can already handle that query just fine	[14:10]
changi\|work	ricks99: that the point :)	[14:11]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: Is unified search how we plan on storing trackers?	[14:11]
chealer	changi\|work: I think the plan is never	[14:11]
lphuberdeau	but in the mean time, categories would be a lesser evil	[14:11]
changi\|work	chealer: hi chealer: ok	[14:11]
chealer	hey :-)	[14:11]
Jyhem	Jyhem confirms info.tiki.org/Consultants looks fine and fast	[14:11]
ricks99	ricks99 still thinks that we need at least 1 high-volume site to stay on LTS	[14:11]
lphuberdeau	robert, not storing, indexing	[14:11]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: My solution is for storage, not about which can handle it.	[14:12]
changi\|work	ricks99: no problem :)	[14:12]
lphuberdeau	storage is not an issue here	[14:12]
ricks99	I'll look at re-vamping the consultants tracker to use categories instead of separate y/n fields.	[14:12]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: Trackers are the issue with all those joins, those joins are there because of how trackers are stored, storage is the issue.	[14:12]
ricks99	Tx lph & changi	[14:13]
lphuberdeau	well, partially, but storage does not need to change to resolve the issue	[14:13]
Jyhem	Jyhem agrees with ricks99 : we need a high profile site on LTS	[14:13]
changi\|work	lphuberdeau: i think unified search would be the solution for those query too	[14:13]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: But it is on the map, and it will resole the issue, it was only a suggestion. Or a wish ;)	[14:13]
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arildb	Bernard1 are you here?	[14:47]
RobertPlummer	CodyG: polom	[14:47]
CodyG	re: my still not working group contact form. This should work on 7.1, yes? {MAIL(showgroupdd="y", group="Admins")}{MAIL}	[14:47]
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CodyG	and a good morning to you too robert ;) i'm looking for a solution i'm surprised i can't get this to work. {MAIL(showgroupdd="y",showuserdd="n",showrealnamedd="n", group="Admins")}{MAIL}... maybe it's a bug?	[14:47]
RobertPlummer	CodyG: I've never used the mail plugin.	[14:51]
CodyG	oh	[14:51]
Bernard1	arildb: yeap !	[14:52]
arildb	Bernard1: I guess you send the email: Db upgrade with new stable versions and during development	[14:52]
CodyG	i was thinking of using a tracker solution	[14:53]
arildb	Bernard1: I was just wondering which OS you are running, and if you are running MySQL in strict mode or not.	[14:54]
CodyG	not sure i can get the permissions right... ie: users in group a send 1 private message to all users in groupb. "Send Message to Strata Council" tracker permissions do you use trackers robert?	[14:54]
Bernard1	arildb: not sure about the email you talk about but my server is Debian/Apache2	[14:56]
arildb	Bernard1: Send by Bernard TREMBLAY...maybe that's another Bernard?	[14:57]
Bernard1	arildb: yes another one. :)	[14:58]
arildb	Bernard1: OK	[14:58]
RobertPlummer	CodyG: Yes I use trackers, sorry.	[14:59]
CodyG	it's almost 8am here. i'm going to take stella for a walk. bbl.	[14:59]
RobertPlummer	CodyG: I wrote Tracker Query Lib	[14:59]
CodyG	sheesh i'm back ok ... i'm started this tracker for "Send Message to Council". Tracker is actually a better solution than MAIL}. But I don't know if i can finish it because of permissions. owner(user) needs to send a message to group(council) without being able to view all the other owners (users) messages to council. whew. i'd rather use a tracker. but i doubt this permissions thing is doable. is it? if it i'll go back to working on the tracker i started <<<< needs a new keyboard. is there tiki speak for "frustrating?" i think i will take stella for her walk. bbl.	[14:59]
RobertPlummer	ok	[15:07]
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Merbster	Hi everyone RobertPlummer, regarding the tracker stuff we were talking about, after considdering the situation on my way home from work I think you are right regarding the plugin.	[15:18]
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RobertPlummer	Merbster: polom	[15:19]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I mean you are right regarding to writing a wikiplugin instead of trying to work magic	[15:19]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Yea, and once you become familiar with it, we will gain another useful developer ;)	[15:19]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, but it made me think, trackers allready take an itemId and go into "edit mode" like that.	[15:20]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: right	[15:20]
Merbster	so what's needed is to figure out the right itemId depending on the current page's category.	[15:20]
RobertPlummer	:) looks like you are on your way.	[15:21]
Merbster	We're automatically creating Wiki pages in Tiki with an integration script an external consultant wrote. I am thinking that maybe it's easier to do the "resolving of ids" during the creation process Create Wikipage, set categories on this page, create tracker item with correct category fitting the page. and "voila" it will always end up in edit mode	[15:21]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: What verison of Tiki are you on?	[15:23]
Merbster	7.1	[15:23]
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Merbster	we allready looked into datachannels but the consultant said they had some limitations in regard to our usecase	[15:23]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: You could easily use tracker query lib for what you want to do.	[15:24]
Merbster	(I have not checked what datachannels can by myself)	[15:24]
RobertPlummer	At least obtaining the right data, saving would need to be handled elsewhere.	[15:24]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, Yes because the category ID of the page and the tracker item will be the same. RobertPlummer, I am only using trackerlist as a work around, using tracker directly as both "view" and "edit" will actually make it work better I think	[15:24]
RobertPlummer	very good!	[15:25]
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sylvieg	do we have a tool that transfers the wiki images from wiki_up to a fgal?	[16:09]
RobertPlummer	sylvieg: WHat is wiki_up?	[16:10]
sylvieg	it was directory where in the old days the page loaded in a wiki page were loaded	[16:10]
changi\|work	sylvieg: would be very usefull especially for dev /doc / info :)	[16:11]
sylvieg	on my list ;-)	[16:11]
changi\|work	sylvieg: same for tracker file :)	[16:12]
RobertPlummer	Are you guys talking about moving files from image gal to file gal?	[16:12]
sylvieg	no from the img/wiki_up dir to a fgal	[16:12]
changi\|work	RobertPlummer: that's another issue :)	[16:13]
RobertPlummer	I have created such a system, it isn't very difficult to do.	[16:13]
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sylvieg	RobertPlummer: Thx I will probably use it for my purpose	[16:15]
Bernard1	+1 on a script to move Gimages->Gfiles	[16:21]
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fabricius	hmmm knock knock	[16:26]
RobertPlummer	who's there?	[16:27]
fabricius	is anybody familiar with the newsletter? I want to include a picture but it is not shown in the recieved e-mail just the word "image"	[16:27]
RobertPlummer	is the path right from the email's point of view? Is it showing the "alt" attribute from the tag?	[16:28]
fabricius	I am not sure how the path must look like	[16:30]
RobertPlummer	http://www.mywebsite.com/path_to_photo.jpg	[16:31]
fabricius	I do not understand, sorry	[16:32]
RobertPlummer	ARe you using wikiplugin img? Or are you using html?	[16:33]
fabricius	WYSIWYG	[16:35]
Bernard1	Torsten, i put this at the top of my newsletter : <base href="http://www.domaine.com"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domaine.com/styles/xxxxx/newsletter.css" type="text/css">	[16:35]
fabricius	http://example.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=1 I get all the time	[16:36]
Bernard1	(and i don't use wysiwyg for it) :) sylvieg: didn't you take care about maketoc and newsletter ?	[16:36]
sylvieg	I did not have time yet sorry	[16:39]
Bernard1	np i just though it was done.	[16:40]
fabricius	not working maybe a certainlinkformat to the picture?	[16:41]
Bernard1	...	[16:41]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37044 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [MOD] Moving import	[16:43]
fabricius	I need to save the picture in a folder, than it works I can use the logo in the root but how to use a picture from the filegallery?	[16:43]
Bernard1	may be you should use files galleryId=	[16:44]
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sylvieg	fabricius: dl12&display for example	[16:51]
RobertPlummer	sylvieg: Beat me to it.	[16:51]
sylvieg	you need the param display to the tiki-download_file.php	[16:51]
fabricius	Ok sylvieg sylvieg: all not working image is visible before I send andnot in the recieved email	[16:54]
sylvieg	ah in the mail.... you need a baseref probably as Bernard1 ex[plained	[16:58]
fabricius	I always try also with http://mywebsite.com/someparameters-or-path-or-both	[17:00]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37045 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): tikiwiki: [REF] listCategs(): Rather than changing categpath elements, add a new relativePathString element to avoid confusion. tikiwiki: Note: I may have missed changing a few usages of the relative path, causing longer paths.	[17:30]
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sylvieg	What is the name of the tool louis philippe wrote to maintain tiki sites as distance (via ftp or ssh)? found it trim	[17:53]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37046 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: tikiwiki: [REF] CategLib: remove get_category_info() tikiwiki: Note: this was unused, but if filtering with several categories is needed, please allow it by extending the $filter argument of getCategories()	[17:56]
nkoth\|nelson	does anyone know if the search ValueFormatter cannot work on arrays?	[18:05]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37047 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [REF] CategLib: use TikiLib::lib()	[18:36]
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	tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37049 10/trunk/lib/wiki/editlib.php: [ENH] EditLib::processInlineTag() Modifications to prepare the code for the processing of <span> that produces wiki inline tags.	[18:46]
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nick	hi all	[18:51]
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Guest4784	does anyone know how to create a plugin with variable number of parameters?	[18:52]
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changi	Guest4784: an example ?	[18:54]
Guest4784	i want to create a plugin where some text items can be entered. the number depends on one of the other parameters. so i could just estimate a reasonable maximum, but..... this is not too nice.	[18:55]
changi	sorry no idea	[18:57]
Guest4784	ok, thx.	[18:58]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37050 10/trunk/lib/comments/commentslib.php: [REF]Comments: remove outdated comment in lock_object_thread()	[18:58]
Guest4784	Is RobertPlummer listening?	[19:00]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: I'm here let me look at the log....	[19:00]
Guest4784	Hi, just another question.	[19:00]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: ok, go ahead	[19:00]
Guest4784	I tried to utilize the new Parser....	[19:01]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: lol, yea. Guest4784: If there are any errors in your wiki syntax it will blow up.	[19:01]
Guest4784	but got some unexpected results....	[19:01]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: They were? Guest4784: Some things like If and group may not work right.	[19:01]
Guest4784	my question: what is the state of the parser?	[19:02]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: Experimental, it needs a bit more tlc.	[19:02]
Guest4784	I entered problems with numbered headings...Headings at all, and some other basic syntax.	[19:02]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: It is a proof of concept that just got past poc. The next step is to make it stable.	[19:02]
Guest4784	ok.	[19:03]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: #tags don't work yet, what were your problems with headings? !Heading?	[19:03]
Guest4784	one thing that i want to do (when it is stable :) : create an own generator, i found no way to extend the parser, did i miss any great feature?	[19:04]
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Guest4784	!Heading in deed, and !!Heading when no newline follows...	[19:05]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: Yea, those are known bugs and will be addresses soon.	[19:05]
Guest4784	fine.	[19:05]
RobertPlummer	Guest4784: The big thing about it is that it will let you create your own syntax. Guest4784: If you want to look into it, it is based around Jison, which is a Bison clone. Jison make lexing and parsing very easy with languages. To extend it, you'd need to download jison to get started. jison is not included in tiki, just the outputs from it.	[19:05]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37051 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] EditLib::parseToWiki() Line break handling of bold and italic text tikiwiki: fixed for <span style="font-style:italic"> tikiwiki: fixed for <span style="font-weight:bold">	[19:08]
Guest4784	the thing is, i wanted to not generate HTML but anything else, so i hoped i can simply replace or better extend the parserlib class.	[19:09]
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RobertPlummer	Guest4784: Yea, infact take a look at the directory. There is a file in there, called WikiParser.jison It is the language. You mod that, and run it through jison, and your are done. I'd love to get some help on it ;)	[19:12]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37052 10/trunk/lib/test/editlib/EditLibTest.php: [ENH] More tests for EditLib	[19:13]
Guest4784	ok, i will have a look at it and hope my 15 years unused flex/bison skills will help a bit :-) thanks	[19:15]
	RobertPlummer, did you tranlate the jison output to PHP by hand?	[19:23]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r37053 10/trunk/lib/ (test/editlib/ParseToWiki_CharacterTest.php wiki/editlib.php): [FIX] EditLib::parseToWiki() Handling of line breaks within underlined/strikethrough text. tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37054 10/trunk/lib/ (6 files in 6 dirs): tikiwiki: [REF] declare map_object_type_to_permission() as static. tikiwiki: [REF] move map_object_type_to_permission() away from CategLib. moved it to ObjectLib.	[19:23]
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Guest4784	bye all	[19:30]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37055 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: tikiwiki: [REF] CategLib: tikiwiki: getCategories(): cache and return descendants. Cache roots. tikiwiki: get_category_descendants(): Optimize using caches and document.	[20:50]
	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37056 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: [REF] CategLib: somewhat document findRoots()	[21:00]
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nkoth\|nelson	does anyone understand the new events system?	[23:34]
sylvieg	who wrote it?	[23:35]
nkoth\|nelson	lphuberdeau I will ask him later, ok, this works.	[23:36]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37061 10/trunk/lib/setup/events.php: [FIX] Language should be updated for trackeritem even on creation, not just update	[23:39]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37062 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): tikiwiki: [NEW] Allow syncing of user tracker item language to user system lang. I know tikiwiki: there is a preference field but that does not update the tracker item lang and tikiwiki: there is another use case where the preference field is better, for example, tikiwiki: multilingual user profiles where there is one tracker item for multiple lang tikiwiki: user information	[23:45]
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