#tikiwiki 2011-09-09,Fri

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Who	What	When
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, my wiki page categories tab is gone	[00:14]
	list_categs not working/// actualy I think it's getCategories that is not working moving back categlib.php to r35057 workd I mean 37057 well it's actually just list_categs that is not good, with this descendanets thing	[00:22]
	ok i think the problem is that 0 is not a category	[00:38]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37063 10/trunk/lib/categories/categlib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] When filter identifier is 0, i.e. root category, it breaks and nothing tikiwiki: gets returned, e.g. wiki pages show no categories list anymore. Also in general tikiwiki: if you can't identify the filter it is going to lead to weird results.	[00:44]
chealer	ah, yeah, that problem again. will check	[00:49]
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nkoth\|nelson	chealer: btw, separate issue, remember that orphan token for category thing? can you make getCategories more gracefully return nothing when categId is a string? because search indexes orphan as a token for no categories (to enable searching for things that are uncategoriized), so it might happen a lot of places or maybe check explicityy for 'orphan'	[01:07]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37064 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Add ajax validation for passcode in registration	[01:50]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37065 10/trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): [REF] call getCategories() instead of list_categs()	[03:49]
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Merbster	Good morning tiki-folk	[06:20]
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Merbster	Where does "post-back handler" scripts go in tiki?	[06:50]
Bernard	hi Merbster	[07:01]
Merbster	hey Bernard :) Nevermind. I found tiki-tracker_http_request.php	[07:01]
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Bernard	Is there a way to have a "enter your email to subscribe our newsletter" box on tw ?	[07:13]
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Merbster	Bernard, Where exactly do you want it?	[07:35]
Bernard	1sec	[07:38]
Merbster	Bernard, http://doc.tiki.org/PluginTrackerlist <- there is something about sending a message to multiple users registered in a tracker. I don't know if it sends wikimessages or emails	[07:39]
Bernard	Merbster: i beleive that with tracker i can have a pretty tracker input displayed in a box, etc… But this is quit heavy ! and i have then to import the emails in the newsletter… ^^	[07:41]
Merbster	Bernard, The part I am worried about is getting users from a trtacker and sending mails to them .But I would think that Tiki has mailing list functionality built in. (I would think == I guess) Have you searched the docs for mailing list or something like it?	[07:42]
Bernard	TW has a newsletter built in and it works fine. If an admin or a visitor can subscribe in it through a page, i was wondering about a simple module that make it possible from within any page or from a col.	[07:43]
Merbster	Bernard, I haven't tinkered with mailing list. So I don't know what possibilities there is.	[07:44]
Bernard	ok i found this : http://doc.tiki.org/Newsletter+Admin#Add_emails_to_a_newsletter_from_a_list_in_a_wiki_page but this is tpl, tracker...	[07:45]
Merbster	Bernard, aka pretty tracker? - it's ALOT easier than you'd expect actually the docs on pretty trackers was just recently updated with a 3 (or 4) step guide Bernard, http://doc.tiki.org/Pretty+Tracker+HowTo <- here is some explaining about it. short and consise	[07:46]
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chibaguy	polom	[07:50]
Bernard	Merbster: :) the point is that i don't need to create a list of user in a tracker list… I need an easy way to add from the anonymous side a way to subscribe to a newsletter without being registered.	[07:50]
Merbster	polom chibaguy ah ok Bernard I don't know how to achieve that.	[07:51]
Bernard	Konishiwa Sen Sei :)	[07:53]
chibaguy	?????????? Did that work? Hi Bernard (if it didn't)	[07:53]
Bernard	Well admin can subscribe any email he want (not registered user). But this is in Admin Newsletter. There are a lot of website offering the possibility of subscribing an email in a small module without registering.	[07:54]
chibaguy	I think what I need for trackers is a recipe book. The howto docs are good as far as they go, but it would be great to see lots of examples. For two reasons: 1) "Oh, so that is what trackers can be used for" and 2) "Oh, so that is how I do what I want to do with trackers." Hi Merbster	[07:54]
Bernard	i was wondering if it can be achieved in TW using what exist	[07:55]
chibaguy	I think trackers are a feature that really set Tiki apart from other software, but the learning curve is steep.	[07:55]
Bernard	+1	[07:55]
Merbster	chibaguy, the link I sent is actually "an example" atleast more of an example than the latter pages :P	[07:56]
chibaguy	Merbster, what link is that?	[07:56]
Merbster	Does anyone know where the jquery.js file is located in tiki? chibaguy, sorry it was before you logged in, here: http://doc.tiki.org/Pretty+Tracker+HowTo	[07:56]
chibaguy	ah, ok, thanks. well, I'm ok about the basics, that far. But that is like the shallow end of the swimming pool. As you go toward the deep end, it gets panicky fast. ;-)	[07:57]
Bernard	…rethinking it… user don't subscribe to a newsletter… They register in a box requiring just Name (username) and Email (email+password). Newsletter will be sent to all registered. The idea is ok but is it really possible…(registration should be proceeded from within a module without loading other pages)	[07:59]
chibaguy	Now I'm seeing a problem in branch 7 of the edit/delete tab content of a tracker item displaying as HTML syntax, not parsed. eek. only that tabcontent, not view, comments, or attachments.	[08:02]
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Merbster	chibaguy, I don't know how to fix that, sorry.	[08:05]
chibaguy	yeah, it's strange. I just updated with subversion and cleared the cache. I'll try on another branch 7 site. Merbster: jquery.js is in lib/jquery/	[08:06]
Merbster	chibaguy, Yes. I found out, but thanks anyways :)	[08:09]
chibaguy	ok. well the html code showing is only affecting one tracker. a new tracker at the same site is normal, so maybe some configuration problem.	[08:10]
Merbster	chibaguy, question is, does it expect tiki markup or pure html? will it maybe help wrapping the html in {HTML()} {HTML} ?	[08:12]
chibaguy	No, I mean the tiki-view_tracker_item.php page's "Edit/Delete" tab is showing the HTML of the edit form rather than the edit form itself. <input type="hidden" name="iTRACKER" value="1" /><div class="wikiplugin_tracker">... etc.	[08:18]
Merbster	chibaguy, I experienced that when trying to define a page for the tracker where it edit/views the tracker item	[08:19]
chibaguy	It isn't user content. ah, ok. How is the item to be edited then?	[08:19]
Merbster	chibaguy, I don't have the problem in tiki 7.1 when no edit/view item template is set in the tracker itself (when editing the tracker )	[08:21]
chibaguy	yes, I just removed the wiki template info and now the edit form in the tracker works again. hm. What is the designed method to edit a tracker item when a wiki template is used? (I wonder.) Well, I assume the broken tabcontent is a bug.	[08:24]
Merbster	chibaguy, you can edit a tracker item by giving the tracker itemId parameter chibaguy, or you could display a trackerlist and enable "show edit/view urls" (or something like it) on the individual tracker fields chibaguy, if you do that without giving it url param. it will default to the normal edit/view pages	[08:29]
chibaguy	About your first suggestion, giving the tracker itemId parameter in the page URL?	[08:31]
Merbster	chibaguy, on the tracker itself you can bind it to a single item	[08:31]
chibaguy	Oh	[08:31]
Merbster	But there's another way with a trackerlist (that shows all items in the tracker) you can enable the link showing I talked about earlier and then suppluy an url param to the plugin trackerlist {trackerlist url=someUrl} Then the urls that the trackerlist generates will use the url of your url plugin param in that plugin param you define "itemId=" and if you leave out the actual vaolue, tiki will magically insert it Am I understandable chibaguy ? :P	[08:31]
Bernard	Merbster, the master of trackers :)	[08:33]
Merbster	no far from it But I am getting there chibaguy, if you are running tiki 7.1 you have bugs in the show linsk param for the trackerlist, so I hope you are using trunk :P	[08:33]
chibaguy	I think I am understanding you ok, but I am using branch 7 so don't know what the state of the bugs is.	[08:35]
Merbster	I know that jonnyb fixed some bugs and committet them I backported them manually to our tiki 7.1	[08:36]
chibaguy	I see.	[08:36]
Merbster	If your trackerlist does not give you fields as links (even though you set it up to do it) you have the bug.	[08:37]
chibaguy	I don't mind the mental exercise of trying to use trackers, but wish the chance of success was higher. ;-)	[08:38]
Merbster	it's allways a balance between being flexible and also userfriendly :P chibaguy, how much of a coder are you?	[08:39]
chibaguy	not much, I'm afraid. I'm ok with CSS and HTML, more or less, but with Smarty and PHP the best I can do is copy/adapt examples.	[08:41]
Merbster	ok.	[08:42]
chibaguy	well, I'd like to learn more, but don't have enough hours in a day.	[08:43]
Merbster	I know that problem too well	[08:43]
	sylvieg, are you here?	[08:53]
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coaboa	polom tikiverse	[09:01]
Bernard	hi Coaboa I'm using for the first time the module "register" on 7.2. I have a message about open id (i don't use open id) and it broke the col layout. Anyone has experience about this module ?	[09:03]
Merbster	Bernard, sorry no, but I would think you can disable it?	[09:06]
Bernard	Open Id is not enable, i use Tiki only for authentification.	[09:07]
chibaguy	Bernard, is that the "Login" module? I don't see a module named register.	[09:12]
Bernard	chibaguy: New user registration (register)… (In the meantime i found a disable plugin " subscribe to newsletter") arf… the plugin subscribe to a newsletter require being logged… back to the bugged module. :(	[09:13]
chibaguy	Oh, Ok. I see what you mean (big broken module).	[09:16]
Bernard	yes do you have the message about openid ?	[09:17]
chibaguy	That looks like something that should be fixed before the next tiki 7 release. yes. and same as you, openid is not enabled.	[09:17]
Bernard	ok so yes it require fix… i will post in tikidev	[09:18]
chibaguy	ok It looks like the module content is meant for the center column, starting with its h1 heading, and a wide table. (apart from the openID problem)	[09:18]
Bernard	Even in the center col it broke the page. http://yiul.co.il/tiki-index.php?page=Subscribe (the col is thrown at the bottom) The plugin "Subscribe" would have be neat… if works with anonymous. :)	[09:24]
chibaguy	Yeah, there's apparently a mismatch of html element tags. In the left column, it causes the following modules to be wide, so some tag isn't closed, I think. Well, I would first try to get rid of its table for layout.	[09:25]
Bernard	checking the module ok this is a problem {if $openid_associate eq 'n'}	[09:26]
chibaguy	The module apparently just grabs the .tpl that was originally meant for the center column. which would explain the h1 heading.	[09:31]
Bernard	yeap i have corrected "my version" but i can't commit that… i removed the openid check as i don't use it and get rid of the first table	[09:32]
chibaguy	How does the formatting look, then? Does it still go too wide?	[09:40]
Bernard	no now it is good	[09:40]
chibaguy	ah, Ok. I think there is a problem with the logic that filters the table tags.	[09:41]
Bernard	i think about commit at least this correction so only the openid thing will need shame on me i forgot… how do you know the bp number ? svn info ?	[09:41]
chibaguy	There's a revision number reported when you make the commit. Or sometimes I look at the email report of the commit for the r number, and paste that in to the notes for the bp, if that's what you mean.	[09:44]
Bernard	yes… but "There's a revision number reported when you make the commit" so i don't need to indicate it on the commit msg ?	[09:45]
chibaguy	no it's automatic	[09:47]
Bernard	svn commit -m "[FIX]module register: table tags removed to keep layout intact" templates/tiki-register.tpl is ok then, tks.	[09:47]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03yonixxx * r37066 10/branches/7.x/templates/tiki-register.tpl: [FIX]module register: table tags removed to keep layout intact	[10:02]
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chibaguy	r22134 replaced the module's specific code with an include of tiki-register.tpl in Oct. 2009. Strange that it's just now spotted as a problem (at least the h1 should have been noticeable - I don't know if the table always overflowed the column). I suspect this module is usually used in a wiki page and not the side column, or at least it wouldn't have formatting problems then, perhaps.	[10:08]
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chibaguy	Bernard: Actually the module still extends over the center column in my branch 7 after your commit, though not as badly. The form label and input fields are too wide for the space (in fivealive).	[10:16]
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chibaguy	Oh, it fits when I'm logged in, but not when anonymous.	[10:21]
	it's made of a number of included tpls that add rows to the table, and some are wide. A liquid layout would be better but maybe for trunk. Custom CSS can resize the heading and make the module scrollable so that it fits in the column if necessary. funny, that module doesn't even use the normal module tpl. More evidense that it's intended for the page center, I think.	[10:27]
coaboa	I had a problem with inclue too. try to define the full path to the modified/theme template when using include with custom code area it allways produce a white screen except when defining the path like templates/styles/mytheme/xy.tpl	[10:33]
chibaguy	what tiki version, coaboa?	[10:35]
coaboa	trunk, current	[10:35]
chibaguy	What do you mean by custom code area? They aren't in Look and Feel any more.	[10:36]
coaboa	worked until (at least) r35883	[10:36]
chibaguy	In a module?	[10:38]
coaboa	They are: Look & Feel, Customization Tab	[10:38]
chibaguy	hm, I was looking at branch 7. I thought they were the same.	[10:39]
coaboa	i use include in custom html head (and other extra code areas) and when using include from within a tiki.tpl	[10:40]
chibaguy	Oh, I see. There is only html head and at end of body now. Otherwise the module zones must be used. Or shadow divs, I imagine.	[10:40]
Merbster	So the textbox where you can includec ustom jquery/js code under look and feel will be removed in upcoming versions?	[10:43]
chibaguy	No, those will stay as they are. Just visible content areas were changed to the module zones.	[10:43]
coaboa	don't think so my current trunk37038 still shows that box	[10:44]
Merbster	oh. ok. Because I just started using that one :P	[10:44]
chibaguy	yeah, the current arrangement will stay as it is, I think.	[10:44]
Merbster	I hope so. I find it quite useful	[10:45]
chibaguy	yep. I have to go out but will be back soon.	[10:48]
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Bernard	chibaguyaway: weird on mine 7.2 it fit ok logged or not, in the center or in a col… cache may be ?	[10:59]
sylvieg	a svn up and I have Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'SmartyException' with message 'unknown method 'set_request_overriders'' in lib/smarty/libs/sysplugins/smarty_internal_wrapper.php on line 117 SmartyException :-(	[10:59]
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chibaguy	Bernard, now I see here in Firefox it fits but in Opera it extends into the center column. Apparently the textfield size is calculated differently in Opera.	[11:18]
ricks99	polom y'all	[11:19]
chibaguy	Hi ricks99 ricks99, do you know why the rss feed items repeat many times at tiki.org?	[11:19]
ricks99	on info? let me c	[11:21]
chibaguy	no, at the community site. 15 items and all the same one.	[11:21]
ricks99	ricks99 checking...	[11:22]
chibaguy	just wondered if you had noticed that problem.	[11:22]
ricks99	u mean the Tiki Tweets? hm... Looks like someone (me) messed up the query.... let's see what I can do.	[11:23]
chibaguy	No, I mean in the center column, "The Latest Tiki News" and "Documentation Updates"	[11:26]
ricks99	ooo....	[11:26]
chibaguy	Well, some repetition in the Tiki Tweets, but not as much, and recently seems ok.	[11:26]
ricks99	i think it is a db refesh issue. notice that all rss feeds are repeated	[11:26]
chibaguy	Is there a solution? Or do we set max to 1? ;-)	[11:27]
ricks99	i'll report to dev list and see... needs to be fixed i would think notcie that the actual rss is correct: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-wiki_rss.php?ver=2 ricks99 thinks it is a caching issue somewhere?	[11:27]
chibaguy	Yes, I tried the rss and it looked fine.	[11:28]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37067 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-edit_submission.tpl tiki-edit_submission.php): [FIX]article: captcha in submission	[11:34]
ricks99	sent chibaguy. tx for reporting	[11:34]
coaboa	can I have theme spcecific wikiplugins? and if yes where to put?	[11:37]
ricks99	Theme-specific? not afiak. but you can create as many custom ones as you want	[11:38]
coaboa	y. that I know. just wondering. for maintenance.	[11:38]
Merbster	sylvieg, ?	[11:39]
ricks99	@coaboa: i've been wanting that same thing for a while now, too :) .... and theme-specific icons/graphcis	[11:39]
coaboa	;-)	[11:40]
chibaguy	coaboa, the wikiplugin could go inside a module in wikitext that has a theme parameter, maybe. A lot of overhead, though. or html elements can be displayed or not with css.	[11:40]
coaboa	looking for something you can collect in a "copy-to-destination" folder	[11:41]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03tikii18nbot * r37068 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: French translations done on i18n.tiki.org	[11:42]
coaboa	not urgent though, just thinking	[11:42]
chibaguy	ricks99, you know about having style/themename/pics/icons, right?	[11:43]
ricks99	ricks99 feels really stupid now	[11:44]
chibaguy	I think you might be limited to the pixel size, though.	[11:46]
Merbster	Don't worry ricks99 you aren't! :)	[11:46]
coaboa	tikiverse ;-)	[11:46]
ricks99	ricks99 runs off to read more on doc	[11:47]
chibaguy	Really, there is so much to keep in mind with Tiki that it's natural to lose parts all the time.	[11:47]
coaboa	is uge *huge	[11:47]
ricks99	@chibaguy: yup... that's why i hand out on IRC :-)	[11:47]
Merbster	I can't figure out why tiki-tracker_http_request.php returns null to me	[11:48]
chibaguy	If I could just avoid repeating having to learn something several times I'd be pretty happy.	[11:48]
Merbster	(I am doing a post to it from jQuery and trying to get the data)	[11:48]
ricks99	completely new issue (somewhat tiki related): been thinking of an enhanced Smarties epub with embedded movies, downloadable YAML profiles, etc. I would retail it for ~$35(USD). But most people are accusted to paying LESS for epub editions. any thoughts from the Tiki community?	[11:50]
Merbster	ricks99, I have a friend who did a danish site for HD Joomla tutorials. He charges way more. and that's only access to videos HD as in High definition	[11:51]
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sylvieg	Merbster: try to type tiki-tracker_http_request with the params directly in the url ... sometimes you can see error messages	[11:55]
Merbster	sylvieg, ok! thank you for the tip! :) sylvieg, is the minimum needed amount of params documented anywhere? Or should I just try my way?	[11:56]
sylvieg	usually I use firebug and the net tab.. to pick up the params and than I debug the http_request	[11:59]
Merbster	sylvieg, I have just opened the file and I am looking at GETS :P sylvieg, what I mean is; what are the least amount of params to get something meaningful. :P if I just give it trackerIdList I get an empty .js file.	[11:59]
	sylvieg, I am testing my JS in a HTML file that's in the same dir as tiki. but the HTML is not used from any tiki context. Will this affect the behaviour?	[12:05]
sylvieg	probably not - the tiki.._htt... is independant	[12:08]
Merbster	sylvieg, Ok. That's what I expected, I just wanted to be sure :) - Hope it's ok I ask so much	[12:11]
sylvieg	no problem	[12:11]
Merbster	sylvieg, what is "filtervalue" used for?	[12:14]
sylvieg	but Iam wondering about perm check... filtervalue is the value of a field if there is a filter	[12:15]
Merbster	sylvieg, if I don't supply a filtervalue it won't return anything	[12:16]
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RobertPlummer	polom all What is the updated version of smarty_modifier_escape()? It says it doesn't exist.	[12:21]
Merbster	Hi RobertPlummer	[12:22]
RobertPlummer	good day	[12:22]
Merbster	I don't know the answer yet. sorry	[12:22]
RobertPlummer	Oh, nm, I found it if (! function_exists('smarty_modifier_escape')) { require_once 'lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.escape.php'; }	[12:24]
Merbster	I am going home from work now bbl	[12:25]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37069 10/trunk/lib/ (headerlib.php wiki/wikilib.php): [ENH] Added js file checking to caching for wiki pages, so now you can include js files in your wiki plugins	[12:29]
RobertPlummer	I still have some testing to do on that last one, but it should have been added a long time ago.	[12:30]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37070 10/trunk/lib/language/FileType/Php.php: change code comment tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37071 10/trunk/ (get_strings.php get_strings2.php): old get_strings.php replaced with new version	[12:53]
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rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: do you know which standard we use for language codes/ ?	[13:06]
chealer	polom rodrigo_sampaio: I don't think I do. you mean we're not follow ISO 639-1?	[13:06]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: I think we are chealer: I just couldn't remember this name	[13:08]
sylvieg	yes ... there was a standard..	[13:08]
rodrigo_sampaio	thanks	[13:08]
chealer	rodrigo_sampaio: OK. good to see the above commit BTW, even though I couldn't look at your improvements yet :-) rodrigo_sampaio: are the current language.php files now generated by the new get_strings.php?	[13:09]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: in a few minutes they will be (big commit coming) :)	[13:13]
chealer	rodrigo_sampaio: good :-)	[13:14]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37072 10/trunk/lang/ (48 files in 48 dirs): updating language files using new get_strings.php	[13:17]
coaboa	what is the php var for pagename? got it $objId at least in plugin-catpath	[13:19]
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chealer	thanks rodrigo_sampaio. is it normal/intentional that there are no more comments, like those on punctuation handling?	[13:35]
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rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: it is intentional. but we can add if you miss them. chealer: specifically talking about the punctuation handling I think we should get rid of it chealer: this is a discussion I'm planning to start soon chealer: but first I need to know why this was created in the first place	[13:36]
chealer	rodrigo_sampaio: get rid of it, i.e. if we have two strings "Foo" and "Foo:", generate two strings in language.php? rodrigo_sampaio: I don't miss them, but I remember learning about the punctuation handling by reading these comments. I would have been confused if I had not read these.	[13:49]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: for me the problem with the punctuation handling is that it is not valid for all languages chealer: for example, in Spanish the interrogation mark appears in the beginning and in the end of the sentence chealer: with the way we handle punctuation it is impossible to properly translate a question to Spanish	[13:52]
chibaguy	It seems to me that the punctuation needs to be part of the string. ...because it varies according to language. (If this is relevant - I didn't read the whole log.)	[13:54]
rodrigo_sampaio	chibaguy: thanks, but we already have (or should have) the punctuation as part of the string. :) chibaguy: the question here is that we deal with strings ending in punctuation as a special case	[13:56]
chealer	rodrigo_sampaio: good example. I would tend to address these issues one by one. for the question mark, I don't really see much use in handling it particularly. I don't see why there would be many cases of both "Foo" and "Foo?" appearing. hi chibaguy	[13:56]
chibaguy	hi chealer and rodrigo_sampaio	[13:57]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: I'm concerned that there might be more cases like that in other languages that we don't know. But I think to investigate to be sure. chealer: would be good to have an idea of how many cases of "Foo" and "Foo:" (or another punctuation) we have	[14:03]
chealer	rodrigo_sampaio: I agree, would be good	[14:05]
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rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: I will do that before starting this discussion on the devel list	[14:05]
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chealer	rodrigo_sampaio: I also agree there must be more cases, but until Tiki is translated to these languages, it's not a problem. I think we can address the issues when they come up.	[14:06]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37073 10/trunk/lang/ (flagmapping.php langmapping.php): indentation tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37074 10/trunk/lang/ (flagmapping.php langmapping.php nds/ nds/language.php): add Lower German language tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37075 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 2 dirs): update code to export translations from the db to use new language.php	[14:07]
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coaboa	does one know how to display the number of contributors to a page in a template? Is there avariable for this?	[14:44]
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RobertPlummer	Did you guys see my commit from earlier?	[16:09]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37078 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: Prepared some flags for Lower German and updated flagmapping.php accordingly. tikiwiki: Two flags from Hanseatic times and one half German half Dutch flag.	[16:11]
RobertPlummer	hey chealer, you around?	[16:15]
chealer	hi RobertPlummer. just looked at your commit, made me realize there was already support for JS in plugins :-)	[16:16]
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RobertPlummer	chealer: But not files	[16:16]
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RobertPlummer	At least not for caching.	[16:17]
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RobertPlummer	chealer: I've added all the steps, and I've looked at it actually adding the files into the caching system, but for some reason it still doesn't work.	[16:17]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37079 10/trunk/lang/langmapping.php: tikiwiki: Noticed some exchange at Portuguese (English and self description exchanged) tikiwiki: Changed self description of Frisian to Frysk, more appropriate I guess.	[16:21]
chealer	RobertPlummer: right. are you trying with codemirror or what?	[16:23]
RobertPlummer	no, vendor project. chealer: Now it is supported, the query is sent the data to update, but for some odd reason it is like mysql isn't executing the command. chealer: I'm baffled.	[16:23]
chealer	RobertPlummer: sorry, what is vendor project?	[16:24]
RobertPlummer	a vendor project is a project that you are using in conjunction with an existing svn project to create a new project/feature. I guess I should have said on a private project. Anyway, I didn't want to mod tiki-setup.php to include the proprietary files.	[16:25]
chealer	humk	[16:26]
RobertPlummer	Plugins should be fully plugable.	[16:26]
chealer	RobertPlummer: update_cache() is not working, or what command?	[16:26]
RobertPlummer	Drop it in, and it work. update_cache doesn't seem to be updating sql. I'm investigating right now...	[16:26]
chealer	RobertPlummer: you're testing as anonymous, right?	[16:27]
RobertPlummer	both anon and admin anon is calling update_cache, and the correct data is being sent With the correct files added and everything.	[16:27]
chealer	RobertPlummer: user accesses won't touch the cache	[16:28]
RobertPlummer	I cleared cache as an admin, does that have to do with wiki cache? I didn't check. I figured it couldn't harm anything.	[16:29]
chealer	RobertPlummer: no RobertPlummer: so you see PHP going through update_cache (line 418), but the table is not updated?	[16:29]
RobertPlummer	chealer: No it is updating, but I had to clear it out. So it is updated in mysql. I've cleared cache with the browser, is there another set of cache analysis that I'm missing? I was using firefox, trying chrome... Same results. The data exists in mysql, but not on the wiki page.	[16:32]
chealer	RobertPlummer: hum, I don't follow you. what do you mean by "it is like mysql isn't executing the command"?	[16:34]
RobertPlummer	chealer: mysql is sent the correct cache. Cache with js,jq_ready, and files (the new part). is it saved in mysql (just verified). But what mysql saves and what it delivers are different.	[16:34]
chealer	RobertPlummer: so you mean MySQL is not executing the read query correctly :-?	[16:35]
RobertPlummer	When anon, if I visit page=HomePage&refresh=1, everything looks great. chealer: Yes, at first I thought it wasen't saving correctly, but it seems that it isn't getting the data correctly. chealer: I'm sure I can figure it out. perhaps it is getJsFromHTML?	[16:35]
chealer	RobertPlummer: what HTML are you missing?	[16:37]
RobertPlummer	the script tags that have externals. Yea that is what it is, the tags are being stripped from cache in getJsFromHTML	[16:38]
chealer	RobertPlummer: what do these read?	[16:38]
RobertPlummer	It is all the script without the script tags that have src So we need a method getJsFilesFromHTML	[16:40]
chealer	RobertPlummer: I don't see anything that considers src	[16:42]
RobertPlummer	so new method then?	[16:43]
chealer	RobertPlummer: I meant I don't see anything in getJsFromHTML() that discriminates depending on whether or not there's an src attribute. RobertPlummer: if your plugin is not too secret, could share the content of the missing tags?	[16:44]
RobertPlummer	Sure. give me a sec nm, I know what the problem is. getJsFromHTML looks not for the tags, but what is in them.... <script src=""></script>, guess what is inside of this tag? nothing We do need a different handler for files to be added. Chealer: this is a print_r on $jsFile1 and $jsFile2 around line 393+ of wikilib.php $jsFile1: Array ( [0] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/tiki-js.js"></script> [1] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/jquery/jquery.js"></script> [2] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js"></script> [3] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/jquery/jquery.json-2.2.js"></script> [4] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/codemirror/lib/codemirro $jsFile2: [0] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/tiki-js.js"></script> [1] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/jquery/jquery.js"></script> [2] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js"></script> [3] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/jquery/jquery.json-2.2.js"></script> [4] => <script type="text/javascript" src="lib/codemirror/lib/codemirror.js"></scr Did you get that? irc may have filtered it. Look for icharts.	[16:45]
chealer	RobertPlummer: oh! right RobertPlummer: the end of truncated	[16:50]
RobertPlummer	sorry about that Anyway, there are 3 files that are removed, omitted. And because there is no handler to get them back from cache, they are there, but nothing will ever happen with them. They are removed with removeJsFromHTML I will just make it so that removeJsFromHTML doesn't remove them. simple fix woohoo!	[16:50]
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RobertPlummer	Rather than crafty regex is there any reason why I can't do something like DOMDocument to see if src exists or not?	[16:57]
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chealer	chealer has no idea	[17:06]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37080 10/trunk/ (57 files in 52 dirs): get_strings.php: adding back note about punctuation handling	[17:08]
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chealer	thanks rodrigo_sampaio	[17:32]
rodrigo_sampaio	chealer: welcome	[17:35]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37082 10/trunk/lib/language/WriteFile.php: fix language.php comments on non-breaking spaces (re-recovered from Jyhem's r35917) tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37083 10/trunk/lib/tikilib.php: [FIX]probably a typo	[17:48]
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sylvieg	... I thought php was case sensitive.. $this->fetchCOunt() is working....	[17:53]
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chealer	sylvieg: http://www.php.net/manual/en/functions.user-defined.php "Function names are case-insensitive, though it is usually good form to call functions as they appear in their declaration. " other things are case-sensitive	[17:57]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37084 10/trunk/lib/menubuilder/menulib.php: [FIX]menu: move the subMenu filter above the selected because the url can be in 2 different submenus	[18:16]
nkoth\|nelson	sylvieg: are you familiar with trackerif plugin?	[18:23]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37085 10/trunk/lang/nds/language.php: A couple of strings more	[18:24]
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RobertPlummer	chealer: Is there a lib for parsing dom documents in php that we are using at this time that goes back to php 4? or lphuberdeau, you know?	[18:42]
chealer	RobertPlummer: no idea about DOM parsing, sorry	[18:43]
RobertPlummer	Are we moving to php 5 yet?	[18:44]
chealer	RobertPlummer: huh? only PHP 5.2 and above are supported in trunk	[18:45]
RobertPlummer	chealer: So we are on php 5.2 now?	[18:45]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: did you just change tiki-admin_categories edit category icon to pass both parentId and categId?	[18:45]
chealer	RobertPlummer: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Requirements&no_bl=y#PHP	[18:45]
RobertPlummer	hmmmm.	[18:46]
nkoth\|nelson	because when I try to edit a (sub)category by clicking on its edit icon, it goves me the edit screen for the parent instead	[18:46]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I thought recently told me we were still on 4. chealer: THanks for the clarity!	[18:46]
chealer	RobertPlummer: there must have been confusion. we're PHP 5 only since at least 2 years.	[18:47]
RobertPlummer	lol, it was probably from my end :). Php is still new to me at times.	[18:48]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I did play in that area, can't remember exactly all I did but it's a good idea you contact me :-) nkoth\|nelson: I didn't add more parameters to be passed, may have removed one	[18:48]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37087 10/trunk/lang/langmapping.php: Supplement some language self descriptions where they were still in English.	[18:49]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I think I did remove categId. I see your problem, thank you nkoth\|nelson: oh, I wasn't looking at the edit icon, I see the problem there too. thanks	[18:50]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, are you on it? if so I will just wait instead of trying to debug	[18:51]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: sure	[18:51]
RobertPlummer	IT WORKS! Plugins that are cached now load their js files! woohoo! committing!	[18:55]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37088 10/trunk/lib/ (headerlib.php wiki/wikilib.php): [ENH] Added more framework to be ensure that all js is loaded from cache, including js files with src tag	[18:58]
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RobertPlummer	That was a tuff cookie to crack. chealer, svn up, let me know what you think. I used simplexml_load_string hopefully that is ok. then a cast attribute back to string. so a little work is done, but it all filters back into place like it should. back into headerlib->add_jsfile() On this day, plugins are now fully modular. We can bypass tiki-setup.php is no longer needed to make sure all js files load correctly. Tiki apps, here we come!	[19:00]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: the link URLs appear unchanged. I'm debugging PHP	[19:04]
lphuberdeau	the goal of having all the JS in tiki-setup.php was to make sure the same files were always provided when minifying the code not much sense in grouping files if on every page load, you need to download an other huge file	[19:05]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: it doesn't make since from a core standpoint, yes. lphuberdeau: But I added it because of a private system. And besides, plugins should be modular, drag and drop in many cases. So this functionality shouldn't be used if a plugin is design from the core standpoint, but if you are using tiki as a basis for another product, and didn't want to modify source, this would just work. For instance, the project I'm working on right now uses open source js, but it is commercially licensed. I can't include it in source. So when I go to upgrade, I don't want to upgrade everything, including tiki-setup.php. This makes perfect sense.	[19:07]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: sorry... someone odd going on, debugger not collaborating nkoth\|nelson: wah, found the problem. good thing you let that one to me :-)	[19:12]
nkoth\|nelson	, chealer: linked to other things?	[19:17]
chealer	I broke it, but from somewhere I would never have suspected	[19:17]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I'm going to test it with minify on and see what the outcome it. is	[19:18]
luciash	hellom	[19:21]
RobertPlummer	luciash: polom + hello, nice.	[19:21]
chealer	do people get this kind of PHP notice in trunk: PHP (5.3.8-1) NOTICE (E_NOTICE): File: xdebug eval Line: 1 Type: Undefined index: name	[19:25]
luciash	:)	[19:26]
chealer	I don't get the "xdebug eval" file	[19:26]
luciash	chealer: i think it get only people who use xdebug	[19:26]
chealer	hi luciash I use xdebug but I've never seen that in 7 and before huh. if I disable the xdebug extension, I get no notice at all	[19:26]
luciash	:)	[19:28]
chealer	I mean, where I got these notices, I don't see an equivalent	[19:28]
luciash	i get several notices at my tices at my rofl, sorry, this paste didn't work right ;)	[19:28]
chealer	that's annoying, but thanks luciash	[19:29]
luciash	tikitrunk/tiki-admin.php?page=features but none of them is xdebug	[19:29]
chealer	eh, forget what I said on having no equivalent notices, I may have been confused	[19:31]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37089 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Admin categories: wrong category obtained when editing (Smarty variables conflict). Thanks Nelson Ko.	[19:31]
luciash	it happens a lot to us coders ;) i mean "us" not US like in U.S. :-p luciash didn't mean to insult US coders	[19:31]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: sorry, should be fixed ^	[19:33]
RobertPlummer	luciash: Watch it luciash luciash: jk	[19:33]
chealer	hehehe	[19:33]
luciash	jfk ?	[19:33]
RobertPlummer	jk = just kidding	[19:33]
luciash	ah, jk as in JustKidding, LOL	[19:33]
RobertPlummer	:)	[19:34]
luciash	u see ? confused again ;)	[19:34]
chealer	ah, good to know that's not JoKe. that would have been very confusing	[19:34]
luciash	yep, that would be the same as JFK	[19:35]
RobertPlummer	chealer: sorry, in the US we have "lol" language. "jk" is pretty common.	[19:35]
luciash	it was me it was me, stupid czech ! ;)	[19:35]
RobertPlummer	speaking of "lol"... interesting read: http://lolcode.com/ "protolol" error handling: HAI CAN HAS STDIO? PLZ OPEN FILE "LOLCATS.TXT"? AWSUM THX VISIBLE FILE O NOES INVISIBLE "ERROR!" KTHXBYE funny stuff	[19:36]
luciash	g	[19:37]
chealer	there is also an active Debian LOLing community.	[19:43]
RobertPlummer	I just tried out minify on trunk, and removed my code for ensuring that cached files are included. Anyway, it took a nose-dive. Without my code it is not completing, max exec time 30+ secs. Looks like it could be smarty related. Not sure how though.	[19:43]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer thanks	[19:45]
RobertPlummer	Can anyone else confirm this problem with minify?	[19:45]
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RobertPlummer	I've got some outstanding installer files that need applied, let me see if that fixes it.	[19:47]
chealer	RobertPlummer: FWIW, I think you could have used $js_script[] = (string)$js['src']; instead of array_push()	[19:47]
RobertPlummer	chealer: you are right, I am a js guy, you have to push and pop everything. chealer: You think my code would mess with tiki that much?	[19:47]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37090 10/trunk/lib/core/Search/Formatter/ValueFormatter/Categorylist.php: [NEW] Search results formatter for categories listings	[19:53]
chealer	RobertPlummer: OK. what? that line just seemed strange, it shouldn't be a problem.	[19:55]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37091 10/branches/7.x/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [FIX] right tracker item id value for daily reports (fixing directly here and on branches/i6.x since this fix is not applicable to trunk due to tracker revamp changes)	[19:55]
RobertPlummer	chealer, sorry I just want to make sure that my mod isn't a bad one. chealer: Should be pretty solid.	[19:56]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37092 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/trackers/trackerlib.php: [bp/37091] [FIX] right tracker item id value for daily reports (fixing directly here and on branches/6.x since this fix is not applicable to trunk due to tracker revamp changes)	[19:59]
chealer	RobertPlummer: looks good. it would be nice to document the change though, as it stands it's pretty hard to tell what the function does	[20:02]
RobertPlummer	:) understood	[20:03]
chealer	RobertPlummer: the comment "if there was no content in the script, it is a src file" should be a couple of lines below	[20:03]
RobertPlummer	oh, um ok. can you confirm the minify bug chealer? With minify on, and my script commented out, there is no change, it is a bombing bad.	[20:03]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37093 10/trunk/img/flags/Libya.gif: I think the days of the green Libyan flag are quite over.	[20:09]
RobertPlummer	chealer: If you do get a chance to test, make sure you have access to mysql, tiki becomes nearly unusable if minify is switched on.	[20:11]
chealer	RobertPlummer: sorry, could you recap on what's wrong with minify?	[20:13]
RobertPlummer	You get a timeout with it on. and no js	[20:13]
luciash	any idea why in trunk i get on the default HomePage notices for features i don't even have enabled ?	[20:14]
coaboa	just svn uped to r37039 and now tiki-register.php & tiki-editpage.php produces an error 500	[20:14]
luciash	or at least Anonymous do not have perms to them → Undefined variable: tiki_p_search and Undefined variable: filegals_manager	[20:15]
chealer	coaboa: I guess you mean 37093? we can't do much with, we need an error message s/with/with a simple 500 error/	[20:16]
coaboa	php errors just show E_notices	[20:17]
RobertPlummer	coaboa: What features do you have turned on? I can't reproduce.	[20:18]
coaboa	and y my revision is 37090 sry	[20:18]
RobertPlummer	coaboa: svn up once more and make sure you have applied the latest installer updated.	[20:19]
coaboa	mom	[20:19]
RobertPlummer	mom?	[20:20]
coaboa	moment ;-)	[20:20]
RobertPlummer	ok	[20:20]
chealer	RobertPlummer: my trunk r37091 seems to keep working with minify enabled	[20:20]
RobertPlummer	chealer: What features do you have on?	[20:21]
chealer	RobertPlummer: many? :-S	[20:21]
RobertPlummer	chealer: Do you have on caching? chealer: About what you said about adding the updates I added to wiki caching to documentation...http://dev.tiki.org/Including+JavaScript chealer: I don't know if I need to really update anything, I just made it work.	[20:22]
coaboa	so now I'am on 37093 still the same. Have to many features activated to post here: should I export yaml and drop to dev list?	[20:24]
RobertPlummer	chealer: It was really just a bug, or an incomplete feature, and I completed it.	[20:24]
chealer	coaboa: RobertPlummer was asking features to me (unless that was by error)	[20:25]
RobertPlummer	chealer: I asked him at 4:19:28 (est)	[20:26]
chealer	RobertPlummer: oh, sorry. sorry coaboa	[20:27]
RobertPlummer	:) We all make mistakes.	[20:28]
chealer	RobertPlummer: I do have the global wiki cache enabled. maybe it's simpler for you to check: http://ido.ath.cx:8080/tiki/trunk/	[20:28]
RobertPlummer	lol	[20:28]
coaboa	;-)	[20:29]
RobertPlummer	Ah, I see chealer you have played with codemirro a little. #codemirror	[20:29]
chealer	RobertPlummer: yeah, that was a test for the codemirror plugin. now working :-) coaboa: I don't think telling us the features will be efficient. can you grant access to the problematic site?	[20:31]
RobertPlummer	chealer: good point	[20:32]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: is cs_design_categories() from wikiplugin_customsearch.php in use? should it be kept?	[20:39]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, yes	[20:50]
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CodyG	polom everyone... hope your day/night is going well.	[20:51]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, all of the cs_design are called from within the plugin line 34	[20:51]
luciash	hi CodyG	[20:52]
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chealer	nkoth\|nelson: OK, sorry, looked too fast	[20:52]
coaboa	chealer: it's local dev machine	[20:52]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: I mean line 204	[20:52]
CodyG	hi luciash and everyone. i tried to upgrade to 7.2, had db error about perms column in user table, I carried on but couldn't get a successful login. i guess i'll try again tomorrow	[20:53]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: yeah, thanks	[20:53]
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coaboa	have to go	[20:54]
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coaboa	good night	[20:54]
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CodyG	or might i have had the issue because i tried to upgrade from tiki 7.0?	[20:55]
luciash	CodyG: 7.2 isn't out yet, right ?	[20:55]
CodyG	right, it isn't, i know that but i like to jump in there and try things	[20:55]
luciash	ok, might be some bug slipped in i didn't test recently myself	[20:56]
CodyG	i have a scr capture of the db error.	[20:56]
luciash	7.2	[20:56]
CodyG	should i post it somewhere?	[20:56]
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luciash	CodyG: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki7	[20:59]
CodyG	I've got tiki 7.0 on this domain/subdir and maybe I should have done a 7.1 upgrade and then a 7.2 upgrade.. but the new stuff is more fun. ;) I'm putting 7.1 on that domain now. ta	[20:59]
luciash	CodyG: make sure u did db update and cleared cache	[21:00]
CodyG	yes, did all that	[21:00]
luciash	CodyG: add it to blockers if it prevents usage	[21:00]
CodyG	7.2 isn't mentioned on that page, i got it from the svn	[21:00]
luciash	feel free to ad it - it will be sorted out add	[21:01]
CodyG	I probably needed to go to 7.1 on that domain, so tomorrow i'll do an upgrade of another domain and try 7.2 again.	[21:01]
luciash	ok	[21:02]
CodyG	i just can't keep my fingers off the new tiki. ;)	[21:02]
luciash	:D	[21:04]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: Is there a language picker that I can use for that forum feature? Or you want it to be just <input type="text" /> ?	[21:07]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer it should be the same picker as for say, a wiki page, it reads the alliwed languages set as a pref on the system	[21:08]
RobertPlummer	ok	[21:08]
luciash	yup, re-use code	[21:08]
CodyG	oops, i just broke something. After 7.1 install I had the same login issue as I had with the 7.2 install. The install worked fine until it tried to create a lock file. There is no lock file in /db. So, no lock file to remove and re-run tiki-install.	[21:15]
nkoth\|nelson	anyone used autosavefields and autosavevalues in trunk wikiplugin_ttacker? I have a problem with it and debugging...	[21:16]
	CodyG, no lock file means you can just re-run	[21:27]
CodyG	i found the lock file using cpanel file manager... bad filezilla, bad! but now i'm in an install loop when I think I should be at a login it takes me back to the beginning of the install loop. i repaired the db already that didn't help, not much in that db anyways. perhaps i should install the backup mysql. or maybe it's a file or maybe it's almost time to walk the dog... 2:30pm here on vancouver island.	[21:29]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37094 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [NEW] Added forum language to db and forum admin page	[21:34]
nkoth\|nelson	why is it in iwikiplugin_tracker sometimes it is ins_$f sometimes track[$f]?	[21:34]
CodyG	bbl	[21:35]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37095 10/trunk/lib/profilelib/installlib.php: [FIX] Added forum_langauge to profile installer for forums	[21:37]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: I am going to work on the adding of language a bit more tonight, but I have to hit the road for now. nkoth\|nelson: Looks like all that needs to be done is to add it to the search indexer and the forum posts. I'm out.	[21:39]
nkoth\|nelson	cylater	[21:40]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37096 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] autosavefields not saving	[21:45]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37097 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [REF] The use of track should have been gone from Tiki by now with all that refactoring, and anyway it does not seem like ['track'] is being handled anymore anyway	[21:50]
	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37098 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] saving of autosavefield with value of pref not working	[22:02]
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chealer	255 characters for a language... that can't be called casting everyone in the same mould!	[22:19]
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luciash	chealer: ? 255 should be enough for language name	[22:21]
chealer	luciash: definitely!	[22:23]
luciash	you think it is too much ? sorry, i din't understand your j(f)k ;)	[22:24]
chealer	with that length we can probably uniquely identify every human's way of speaking :-) luciash: yeah, that was an understatement ;-)	[22:24]
luciash	but there can be some really long ones i guess in the world i mean some ethnic groups or natives can have long language names	[22:25]
chealer	(I don't really think it's a problem, let's just say it's very safe :-) )	[22:25]
luciash	yup yup, good thing (tm)	[22:25]
chealer	could be he didn't feel like reading the whole http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc4646.html :-)	[22:29]
luciash	ah, we talk about language tags only ? anyway, zh-Latn-CN-variant1-a-extend1-x-wadegile is pretty long	[22:33]
chealer	luciash: yeah, these tags can be pretty long compared to the longest language names you could imagine :-)	[22:37]
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arildb	Hi, I am looking into adding a check in the Tiki installer to see if 1) IIS is running and 2) if so, check if "problem files", due to a missing URL Rewriter module, are accessable or not. The IIS check works fine. Info is in the PHP environment. I am having a little problem checking the file access. I tried file_exists....but that is a PHP call, and I assume server side calls will work OK. So, I will need to integrate client side Javascript...or something like that...in the installer.	[22:45]
luciash	hi arildb	[22:48]
arildb	luciash: Hi	[22:48]
luciash	isn't there any internal check for the web.config file simmilar to .htaccess one ? like if the mod exists ... do this i mean apache rewrite module if IIS has something like that to check	[22:49]
arildb	The problem is that the rewrite rules defined in web.config only will work if the URL Rewrite module is installed. I haven't found a way to check if the actual module is installed or not. So, I figured I'd try to check the file access.	[22:51]
luciash	apache .htaccess has this: <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> ... </IfModule> did u look if web.config has some simmilar syntax to check if module is installed ?	[22:51]
arildb	It's similar in IIS, but the URL module does the interpreting. If it's misisng an error occurs and files become inaccassable I see what you mean. I will check	[22:52]
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chealer	hi arildb	[23:26]
arildb	chealer: hi	[23:27]
chealer	luciash: the goal is to determine from the installer whether the IIS module is available, not really to prevent HTTP errors in these directories. arildb: that's so complicated, it's a shame if IIS doesn't advertise that to PHP. but if we have to go on that road, you can still do it in PHP by doing an HTTP request.	[23:30]
arildb	chealer: That's the along the path I was thinking. I cannot find any means of checking for the presence of the URL Rewrite module in web.config (so far), like luciash suggested. My original idea was to test it, by simulating a request to a "problem file". If it goes through, URL Rewrite is probably installed. If not, probably not. So, the next challenge is to send the HTTP request (client side) from PHP. Any ideas? ..and then interpreting the result in PHP surely complicated.. ...or actually...it could all be done client side, since all I am aiming for is to notify the user, if the URL Rewrite module is missing.	[23:35]
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arildb	Q: What would a Javascript look like that returned a boolean if a file could be loaded or not?	[23:41]
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chealer	arildb: I'm not sure but there's tikilib->httprequest() arildb: that may not be safe to call from the installer though, unfortunately :-(	[23:42]
nkoth\|nelson	arildb: you mean you want to check if a certain url returns something or an error?	[23:43]
arildb	chealer: I got a googled hit on jquery .load(). Do you know if jquery is available at install time?	[23:44]
nkoth\|nelson	yeah, I was going to ask the same question	[23:44]
chealer	arildb: I suppose you could do it with JavaScript too, although it would be ideal to know whether the server is IIS	[23:44]
arildb	chealer: My assumption is that if a known problem file cannot be loaded, the installation is probably running IIS and does not have the URL Rewrite module	[23:45]
chealer	arildb: not sure, but wouldn't rely on that arildb: oh. yeah, or could have first checked whether the server is IIS.	[23:45]
arildb	chealer: yes, better to know if IIS or not, but not necessary. All that's needed, I believe is to give a hint to the user if a "problem file" cannot be loaded	[23:46]
chealer	arildb: yeah. you could try http://framework.zend.com/manual/1.11/fr/zend.http.client.html	[23:47]
arildb	chealer: checking...but would that be server side?	[23:47]
chealer	arildb: yes	[23:48]
arildb	chealer: I believe on the server the error is not visible	[23:48]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: You around?	[23:48]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer, yes	[23:48]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: zip download broken in 7.1? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=42208	[23:48]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: So Search_ContentSource_ForumPostSource is what needs updated to index language correct? For indexer	[23:49]
nkoth\|nelson	I think so	[23:49]
RobertPlummer	ok, I will make sure.	[23:49]
chealer	arildb: I don't see why the error wouldn't be visible from the server side. IIS doesn't really make a difference between a local request and a remote request	[23:49]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer: I am 91.7% sure lol	[23:50]
chealer	(the user agent could be on the same machine as httpd too)	[23:50]
arildb	chealer: maybe you are right. Let me check it a little	[23:50]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: I am I think it is more like 60/60.	[23:50]
chealer	bbl	[23:51]
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