#tikiwiki 2011-09-29,Thu

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Who	What	When
chealer	arildb: good (although I seem to remember more than one issue with WYSIWYG ^_^ ) arildb: did you deploy any WYSIWYG site	[00:05]
arildb	chealer, I am working on a project using Tiki as the base system, but integrates with other systems. The launch will be early next year. However, I am running several Tiki sites intenally at the company I work with, and they are starting to introduce it to customer. All norwegian customers. International characters is a make or break decision. chealer, they all want WYSIWYG chealer, thus very important for this project to get some issues integrated in the 8.0 version	[00:07]
chealer	arildb: great. I wasn't aware of any sizeable install using WYSIWYG I thought we should dogfood WYSIWYG at some point	[00:09]
arildb	chealer, the spec of the project explicitly states it. It's what customers want at my end chealer, yes that's a good idea	[00:10]
	chealer, seems like quite a few are running mediawiki. However, people seem to think it's cumbersome to work with. Tiki gets a better reception. However, switching requires a functioning import module. It's there, but not up to date. If an import is done with the latest MediaWiki it fails, though tweaking it a bit (by allowing the newer version) still yields acceptable results, but getting it upgraded would make things easier. Do you know who has worke d on the MediaWiki import?	[00:17]
lphuberdeau	rodrigo did	[00:18]
chealer	arildb: yes, Rodrigo did (in summer 2009). I never tried it. I think he did some updates but not much.	[00:18]
arildb	hi lphuberdeau. Is he still active?	[00:18]
lphuberdeau	he made a few commits today unless I am mistaken	[00:21]
arildb	lphuberdeau, OK. So maybe he is interested in getting it workiing with the latest mediawiki version. Would be nice	[00:23]
lphuberdeau	you should definitely contact him	[00:24]
arildb	will do, when I see him on irc	[00:24]
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arildb	chealer, I have a little problem with an update of toolbarlib.php. My editor cannot handle some characters and converts them if I load it. It's a fix to hide the switch editor button if the WYSIWYG editor is not optional. Do you have time to do it for me? (I can paste the changes here oh...just remembered..let me try another editor chealer: never mind, the other one worked	[00:46]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03arildb * r37765 10/trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: [FIX] Remove the switch editor toolbar button in CKEditor if the WYSIWYG editor is not optional	[00:52]
chealer	arildb: strange. are you still using Visual Studio?	[01:03]
arildb	chealer, yes. I am using vs.php a PHP plugin to Visual Studio. How did you notice? seems to be a problem with my latest commit	[01:04]
chealer	arildb: we discussed debuggers the other day (when mine was bugging) :-) arildb: and what characters were giving problems?	[01:05]
arildb	I think it's a line copied from docuwiki	[01:06]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03arildb * r37766 10/trunk/lib/toolbars/toolbarslib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] Editor problems. One more try. tikiwiki: Remove the switch editor toolbar button in CKEditor if the WYSIWYG editor is not optional	[01:13]
arildb	chealer, I believe it was the "special characters" definition that caused the problem	[01:14]
chealer	arildb: not sure what you mean by "special characters"	[01:16]
arildb	chealer, in the CKEditor toolbar there is a button "Insert special character"	[01:16]
chealer	arildb: oh, I thought you were talking about your code editor	[01:19]
arildb	no	[01:20]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37767 10/trunk/templates/tiki-send_newsletters.tpl: tikiwiki: [FIX] Newsletters: Names of tabs 2 and 3 (wrong Smarty syntax, r36062) tikiwiki: [REF] Replace capture with assign	[01:24]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37768 10/trunk/lib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH][FIX] Show user's item even if not open status, when using plugin tikiwiki: trackerlist with view=user and when tracker has writerCanModify and user does tikiwiki: not have view pending/closed perm, since user can edit item directly anyway	[02:02]
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	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37769 10/trunk/lib/ (4 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [REF] TikiLib: rename clean_id_string() to remove_non_word_characters_and_accents() tikiwiki: Reference: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28152850	[02:34]
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malakgodz	hi anyone here can speak french? !help	[02:58]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r37770 10/trunk/templates/tiki-view_blog.tpl: [FIX] No need for a br tag between two block-level divs; creates unwanted white space that's hard to remove with CSS without removing intended breaks. Any needed white space can be specified with CSS.	[03:55]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37771 10/trunk/lib/filegals/filegallib.php: [REF] FileGalLib: attempt to clarify how the outer loop of moveAllWikiUpToFgal() works and explain its purpose	[05:23]
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	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37772 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/modifier.userlink.php: [FIX] userlink Smarty modifier: ensure the truncate modifier is loaded when truncating (from r8363)	[05:58]
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Merbster	goodmorning tiki lovers	[06:21]
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	has anyone experienced significant slowdowns in Tiki8 svn?	[06:40]
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stix	Is there a Doodle-like plugin for tikiwiki? I know it exists for dokuwiki.	[08:56]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jean-lucnavarro * r37773 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_articles.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] added tra(..) missing on lines 125 & 132 (YYYY-MM-DD) tikiwiki: + punctuation missing lines 33,75,118	[09:05]
stix	Was that for me?	[09:13]
Merbster	stix, CIA-12 is our SVN bot that posts when people commit new stuff to the dev version of Tiki	[09:15]
stix	oh I see :)	[09:15]
Merbster	stix, have you tried searching on doc.tiki.org ?	[09:16]
stix	yes no matches for "Doodle" - I don't know what else to call it	[09:17]
Merbster	stix, http://doc.tiki.org/Draw <- maybe this is useful, I haven't used it though.	[09:17]
stix	draw?	[09:18]
Merbster	click the link :D it's for drawing.	[09:18]
stix	Doodle is for scheduling events :)	[09:18]
Merbster	http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.5.1/editor/svg-editor.html <-- you can see a demo of it here LOL I just thought doodle was for doodles (drawing)	[09:18]
stix	:)	[09:19]
Merbster	stix, there's calendar functionality in Tiki And I know one of the other tiki regulars are building an event synchronization system with it.	[09:20]
stix	Merbster: yes but ppl cannot vote for a set of dates	[09:20]
Merbster	I am pretty sure Tiki has votes, but if it's integrated with calendar I don't know	[09:21]
stix	maybe I should write my own i php	[09:21]
Merbster	stix, Tiki is very extensible. You could probably write a module that takes some votes and depending on amount of those votes creates a calendar entry	[09:23]
stix	Merbster: yes I think I will look into that	[09:24]
Merbster	stix, 2 secs I will find a ressource for you	[09:24]
stix	I am looking at http://dev.tiki.org/Hello+World right now	[09:24]
Merbster	Precisely that's the one	[09:24]
stix	thanks :)	[09:24]
Merbster	np :)	[09:26]
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fabricius	polom	[09:35]
Merbster	hi fabricius ! :) fabricius, I have looked at the perspective_binder. But it's super slow fabricius, are you encountering the same? fabricius, also, the areas_root preference is it one you added?	[09:37]
fabricius	hi merbster no, Jens did the code and jonny gave some comments afterwards seems not yet 100% ready I'll have to make new tesatinstallation problem is, that I temporarily have no full access to my server from early next week on all should be sorted and I could try it on a semi productive site Merbster: so I regret, that I cannot encounter anything until after the weekend - bigtime sorry	[09:45]
coaboa\|afk	polom tikiverse	[09:51]
fabricius	polom coaboa\|afk TikiFest Frankfurt - mostlikely I can only come on the 20th or the evening of the 19th, as I work Tue, Wed and Fri no kids with me that time	[09:56]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: The Minimum Hardware? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=42371	[10:07]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jean-lucnavarro * r37774 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [TRA] more French translations + corrections tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37775 10/trunk/lang/nds/language.php: [tra] 20% reached :)	[10:13]
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Merbster	fabricius, no worries I just wanted to know if I misconfigured it or if it wasn't "complete" Who is Jens?	[10:53]
fabricius	Merbster: Jens Dodenhoff is a german guy and took the task to translate Tiki to "Lower German" respectively "Lower Saxon" language and in between about three weeks he reached 20% (today)	[10:57]
Merbster	fabricius, ah ok.	[10:58]
fabricius	Merbster: he studies physics and did some informatic before - nice guy he is	[10:58]
Merbster	I am using my own at the moment. Or else it will take 10-15 secs to load a page where the perspective binder kicks in	[10:58]
fabricius	Merbster: maybe you find a chance to assist, to make the integration better (faster) - didn't you get Jonnys mail in the dev-list?	[10:59]
Merbster	fabricius, I subscribe to it, so I probably did. but that doesn't mean I actually saw it and read it ;)	[11:00]
fabricius	Merbster: I can forward it to you with a topic you wont oversee ;-)	[11:01]
Merbster	I could just search for it :P what is the topic of the mail?	[11:01]
fabricius	Merbster: it would be great to get your code spot on integrated in Tiki, which seems to be nearly finished thx to you and Jens and Jonny mom Re: [Tiki-devel] tiki-perspective_binder.php integrated now Jens: On 27 Sep 2011, at 00:46 Jonny: On 27 Sep 2011, at 16:20	[11:01]
Merbster	fabricius, I don't think I have that one	[11:05]
luciash	polom	[11:12]
Merbster	Hi luciash :)	[11:13]
luciash	hi Merbster	[11:14]
Merbster	Does anyone know how to get plugin List to render column headings?	[11:14]
luciash	plugin List ? do you mean TrackerList ?	[11:14]
Merbster	not trackerlist we want to avaoid trackerlist because it can't filter by categories	[11:15]
luciash	ah, i don't even know that one exists :) List	[11:15]
Merbster	luciash, it's kind of new. and it supports the new plugin syntax.	[11:15]
luciash	ah, that is why i didn't spotted it	[11:16]
Merbster	tbh it's awesome but the docs are still missing some details :P	[11:16]
luciash	Merbster: what is the new syntax ? we have too many already :-p	[11:16]
Merbster	luciash, http://doc.tiki.org/PluginList <- look at the examples here	[11:17]
luciash	btw, trackerlist can filter by categories just fine	[11:17]
Merbster	how?	[11:17]
luciash	u have a category type field and you filter by that we use it on ntdtv.cz	[11:17]
Merbster	ok. would it support wiki argument variables? I did some extension of that area to support {objectCategoryIds} for example	[11:18]
luciash	in pretty tracker, yes ah, cool Merbster: thx for the link	[11:18]
Merbster	I haven't submitted it though. np	[11:19]
luciash	well, imho the new plugin-like syntax will be confusing	[11:25]
Merbster	luciash, yes. but also alot more powerful and it will force the plugins to behave more consistent across all the plugins some params, that are named the same, behave totally different.	[11:27]
luciash	as we can write plugins with no body like that ... i wonder what will happen if the plugin List will be included in another one or in a pretty tracker template ... it causes problems sometimes already to the parsing to distinguish contained wiki syntax and plugins from smarty syntax	[11:27]
Merbster	I am not working on the functionality I can jsut see the expresiveness of the new format compared to the old clunky one.	[11:28]
luciash	by old clunky one you mean the plugins params ?	[11:28]
Merbster	yes :P if you want to filter by several fields for example? Also you don't know if one plugin wants several values delimited by " " - "," or ":"	[11:28]
luciash	yes i see the point... i just wonder how it will know it is included plugin or plugin-like syntax params	[11:29]
Merbster	luciash, me neither, but I guess lphuberdau knows :P (I think he's the main author of plugin list)	[11:31]
luciash	why not e.g. XML like syntax ? <filter categories="1 AND 2" /> that would be much safer imho the plugin would need to work a sort of like the HTML plugin, just not to parse the content as HTML but as-is i mean by "to work like HTML plugin" to avoid the <x> sanitization for url params etc.	[11:32]
Merbster	luciash, I think XML might be overkill to define a set of parameters and not very userfriendly for end user. but alas. this is a discussion worth hours :P	[11:35]
luciash	well, it looks like almost the same, just instead of curly brackets there are "<" and ">" ;) so i don't think it is overkill, but you're right about the discussion ;)	[11:35]
Merbster	my point is, you can describe types in XML	[11:36]
luciash	it could be (filter categories="1 and 2") as well i'll ask lph when he's back if there was a reason to chose curly brackets or it was just quick do-and-go	[11:37]
Merbster	luciash, I feel I am not experienced enough as a tiki dev that I can really discuss this and have sufficent arguments :P	[11:41]
luciash	Merbster: np at all Merbster: thx for letting me know about it	[11:49]
Merbster	you're welcome	[11:50]
luciash	i think i see the reason now for the curly brackets when looking further at the examples below on the page	[11:55]
Merbster	luciash, on another note, if you like XML. you should check out XAML from Microsoft. it's pretty awesome way of using XML :) </offtopic>	[12:02]
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RobertPlummer	Polom tiki devs	[12:12]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37777 10/trunk/lib/setup/prefs.php: [ENH] avoiding confusion, prefvalues for areas where defined	[12:14]
Merbster	Hey RobertPlummer	[12:15]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: hi Merbster: How goes your plugin/reporting?	[12:15]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, quite good actually. I finished the tracker I needed it for. there will be more but it is fairly easy to use and all the JS and special code to handle the functionality is contained in the tracker template. :)	[12:16]
RobertPlummer	Nice Merbster: So no hacking? You end up using tracker query lib much?	[12:16]
Merbster	we just recently moved to Tiki 8 SVN	[12:17]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Nice, I've just moved a client over to it as well, they like it better than any stable release already, and it is isn't even beta.	[12:17]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I wouldn't call it hacking. I still need to clean up the code though	[12:17]
RobertPlummer	or RC Merbster: That is an ongoing battle, just keep fighting it, don't think about winning.	[12:17]
Merbster	I had to change some code (Wiki argument parsing moved and I have added some extra ones)	[12:18]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Ha! I can't wait till we get the new parser in place, you can extend with your own language additions easily.	[12:18]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, that sounds awesome RobertPlummer, does jQuerys attr() work on CSS attributes too? (I want to change background color of a textarea)	[12:20]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: No You need .css() But that works like attr Merbster: But just fyi, recently I've found attr very buggy, best off using .data() to set custom attributes. or .attr() rather .data() is html 5 compliant, and is the way of the future.	[12:23]
Merbster	I haven't encountered anything but I am only changing normal HTML attributes not my own custom ones (I don't think I have any)	[12:24]
RobertPlummer	I wouldn't be suprised if jQuery eventually dropped attr or limited it. Merbster: Then you'd be fine.	[12:25]
Merbster	I think it allready is limited. Prop should be used under some circum,stances	[12:25]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Never used prop	[12:30]
Merbster	It's something about when the attribute/property is updated. I don't remember the details	[12:31]
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RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: polom	[12:33]
lphuberdeau	good morning	[12:34]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I know I have some work to do with the drawOver() but I am on another project for the time being. lphuberdeau: I will be coming back to it soon, I just know though that it isn't super time sensitive at the moment.	[12:34]
lphuberdeau	no problem, it shows enough for the moment plenty of time	[12:35]
RobertPlummer	Aweomse I am extreamly happy about how clean the new draw integration is. It still has a few loose ends, but man it is clean. $(obj).loadDraw(); and the rest is self managed nearly. or $(obj).drawOver(); super easy.	[12:36]
lphuberdeau	the way it should be	[12:37]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, the categorization dependant on current perspective stopped working today.	[12:38]
lphuberdeau	?	[12:38]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, if we just use a normal tracker put it on a page that has a perspective and save an item. the item is not categorized unless we have a category field of type dropdown, listbox and the last one where a value is picked by default. (radiobox doesn't work) radiobutton*	[12:39]
lphuberdeau	yeah, most fields work like that	[12:39]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, I was under the impression that even if the category field is not displayed it would categorize items correctly, not just auto pick something in the UI?	[12:40]
lphuberdeau	can't say it stopped working today that's not a small thing to fix and we're getting too late in the process for that	[12:40]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, I just wanted to clear up the misunderstanding. Because we misunderstood you apparantly :P	[12:41]
lphuberdeau	it's the same with user field in user trackers too the field has to be present to be considered	[12:42]
Merbster	It is present now, but in a hidden div. works mighty fine :)	[12:42]
chealer	polom	[12:42]
lphuberdeau	sounds like a reasonable way to handle it	[12:42]
Merbster	lphuberdeau, Yes ok. Well it works as expected then. :)	[12:43]
lphuberdeau	not a desired, but it will have to do for now	[12:43]
Merbster	I am just grateful you did what you did lphuberdeau or else it would not be working at all.	[12:44]
lphuberdeau	really wasn't a large change well, chealer did the filtering part so just setting the field as mandatory with a dropdown would have worked too, because <select> works like that	[12:44]
Merbster	hmm	[12:50]
	WSOD on login is normally caused by?	[13:00]
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chealer	Merbster: failure to show error messages ;-)	[13:06]
Merbster	chealer, what really boggles me is. I logged in this morning and nothing was wrong with login But I haven't touched login today. admin is the only one allowed to login	[13:08]
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Merbster	sylvieg, are you using more than one auth server in your ldap setup? can a misconfigured login tracker trigger WSODs? misconfigured as in function enabled but not configured	[13:11]
arildb	Hi rodrigo_sampaio. Is it correct that you are the one behind the MediaWiki import?	[13:19]
rodrigo_sampaio	hi arildb arildb: yes, that is correct	[13:20]
arildb	rodrigo_sampaio, In my "environment" MediaWiki has been the norm, but people seem to find Tiki better. To switch, an import is important. I tried the MediaWiki import, but unfortunately it is not up-yo-date with the latest release. However, by "fixing" the version check the import still went through and the resulsts looked OK. Would be good to have the import work with the latest MediaWiki version. Any plans to upgrade?	[13:23]
Merbster	chealer, was it you who also ran Tiki with ldap?	[13:24]
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chealer	Merbster: I had to set it up once, but never used it myself	[13:27]
Merbster	chealer, ok.	[13:27]
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rodrigo_sampaio	arildb: I did the MediaWiki importer back in 2009 as my Google Summer of Code project. After that I didn't had enough time/budget to properly support it and keep it updated. As you notice there is a check in the importer that verifies the version of the XML file generated by MediaWiki. Since their XML file is poorly documented I decided to do this in case a new version breaks the compatibility with the previous. But if everything seems fine in yo arildb: note that in most cases you need some manual work after running the importer. arildb: also a few users have reported a segmentation fault error when importing a series of complex pages. I never had enough time to debug it. it is probably a problem in PEAR::Text_Wiki and in PHP itself (since PHP code shouldn't be able to kill the Apache process). arildb: let me know if you need any help	[13:48]
arildb	rodrigo_sampaio, yes, the version check is a good idea. Data from the latest mediawiki version is also imported OK, if the version check is "patched". ...everybody will expect some editing after the import. That's no problem. When I tried it the results were so good, that maybe all that is needed is to allow the latest version of MediaWiki through.	[13:50]
rodrigo_sampaio	arildb: sounds good to me arildb: let me know after you finish it. there is a user who asked me a few weeks ago about support to newer mediawiki versions.	[13:51]
arildb	rodrigo_sampaio, I only tried 1 import and it was a simple and not very large structure. So, I wouldn't know if there are problems with more complex data.	[13:53]
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arildb	rodrigo_sampaio, I am not sure I will update it (at least not now). I just wanted to give you the feedback, and check out your plans	[13:54]
rodrigo_sampaio	arildb: ok, no problem. arildb: for now I'm not planning to work on the importer.	[13:54]
arildb	rodrigo_sampaio: ok	[13:54]
rodrigo_sampaio	arildb: but thanks for letting me know that apparently it works with the newer versions of mediawiki	[13:55]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sylvieg * r37778 10/trunk/templates/admin/include_wiki.tpl: wording	[13:55]
rodrigo_sampaio	arildb: if I have some time I might just add the support to the newer versions and see what happens arildb: a few weeks ago I took a quick look at the new XML file structure and apparently there are no big changes	[13:55]
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arildb	rodrigo_sampaio, I think that may be sufficient. Maybe with a small notice that it was originally built for a previous version	[13:56]
rodrigo_sampaio	arildb: exactly	[13:56]
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DanMan1234	dude, where's my commit access? ;)	[14:07]
lphuberdeau	what's your SF username?	[14:08]
DanMan1234	gaxweb	[14:09]
lphuberdeau	I can't give it to you, but I'm sure sylvieg, luciash, nkoth or some other admin around can fix that for you	[14:09]
DanMan1234	okay, I'll be here for about an hour	[14:10]
lphuberdeau	so, what are your plans with your (soon to be granted) commit access?	[14:10]
DanMan1234	some small fixes for bugs that occurred in our server env.	[14:11]
lphuberdeau	which version are you using?	[14:12]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r37779 10/branches/7.x/styles/ (13 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Various problems with button styles (inconsistent normal\|hover margins and padding, etc.)	[14:12]
DanMan1234	7.1 release	[14:13]
lphuberdeau	7.2 is expected to be released sometimes today	[14:14]
DanMan1234	oh, ok will check	[14:14]
sylvieg	gaxweb user does not exist I can not add gaxweb in the tiki members	[14:15]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37780 10/trunk/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [ENH] Auto-close StreetView dialog when not available for location, based on a timeout because apparently, there is no better way	[14:16]
nkoth\|nelson	DanMan1234: if you are running 7, you will need to check out a copy of trunk and also proposed/7.x branches for development purposes.	[14:17]
DanMan1234	hmm, i'm currently logged in at SF nkoth\|nelson: i'm way ahead of you ;)	[14:17]
nkoth\|nelson	sorry, that is a typo there is no proposed/7.x branch well, anyway, you know what I mean, the 7.x branch	[14:17]
DanMan1234	i've checked out the 7 trunk	[14:18]
nkoth\|nelson	Have you been following the commit procedure, i.e. commit in trunk (unless the fix does not apply there), and then commit a backport to the 7.x branch?	[14:19]
DanMan1234	well, i haven't committed anything yet obviously. :) didn't know about the backport branch	[14:19]
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nkoth\|nelson	You checked out both trunk, and branches/7.x right?	[14:20]
gaxweb	just the trunk right now i don't quite get the "commit a backport to the 7.x branch" part	[14:21]
nkoth\|nelson	ah, ok. http://dev.tiki.org/Where%20to%20commit might help explain the situation. branches/7.x is what will become 7.2. trunk is what will become Tiki 8. In fact, we are like likely to create the branches/8.x soon in expectation of Tiki 8 release in abt a months time, so trunk will be then the future Tiki 9.	[14:22]
gaxweb	ok. so no merges, but commit the same change to the branch? so it's like a separate release branch? gaxweb is more of a hg user than svn	[14:24]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chibaguy * r37781 10/trunk/styles/ (13 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Various problems with button styles (inconsistent normal\|hover margins and padding, etc.)	[14:26]
lphuberdeau	we merge branches for a while, but at some points, they get too divergent to keep up so manual backports are required	[14:26]
nkoth\|nelson	Basically there is no automatic merging being carried out from the branches/7.x branch. So if you have a fix for Tiki 7, it will most likely be needed for Tiki 8 as well. In other words, you should commit in the one destined for Tiki 8 first, and then make the same fix in the branches/7.x so that it will be in the next 7.x release (the commit message for the second commit should read "[bp/rxxxxx][FIX] Commit message", where rxxxxx refers to the revision number of the first commit you made In addition, today is a bit of a special case because 7.2 is preparing to be released. It'll be kind of last minute to commit some more. What exactly are the fixes anyway, gaxweb.	[14:27]
lphuberdeau	although I'm not sure it's worth commiting to 7.x now as 7.2 is due real soon, and 7.3 is not the most likely thing around	[14:29]
sylvieg	the insertAt in IE8 is again broken with trunk and tiki7 :-(	[14:30]
gaxweb	ok, thanks for the explanation. the changes are not that urgent though, and i don't have much time today anyway	[14:31]
nkoth\|nelson	yeah, and tiki8 is coming soon, so perhaps the fix should just go into the branch destined for Tiki 8 (which is currently trunk, but soon there will be a branches/8.x) if it's not urgent.	[14:33]
gaxweb	that's my plan, yes for example: http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?status=co&trackerId=5&sort_mode=created_desc&itemId=3997&show=view	[14:34]
nkoth\|nelson	gaxweb, ok, but are you sure your sourceforge username is gaxweb? It is giving me a "User does not exist" error	[14:37]
gaxweb	well, i've only registered with OpenID. maybe that's it?	[14:37]
nkoth\|nelson	possibly.... clck on "Account" in Sourceforge. What does your Login Name (User Name) say?	[14:38]
gaxweb	ok... completing my registration now. hold on	[14:38]
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gaxweb	done	[14:40]
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fabricius	{TRACKERLIST} I am wondering, why the item-links in the trackerlist are not clickable for Anonymous users, but are for the registered	[14:41]
nkoth\|nelson	gaxweb, commit access has been granted, please read http://dev.tiki.org/3rules and agree with them :)	[14:43]
gaxweb	yay, thanks :) will do	[14:43]
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gaxweb	the git repo is not being used, right?	[14:49]
nkoth\|nelson	no, the git repo is not used. btw gaxweb I commented on your http://dev.tiki.org/item3997&show=view	[14:49]
gaxweb	i'll take a closer look at it tomorrow. for now, i'm going home.	[14:57]
nkoth\|nelson	gaxweb: see u l8r	[14:58]
lphuberdeau	I would really check why an object got there pretty sure that piece of code works as it's really central	[14:58]
gaxweb	i think it's the other way round, judging by the variable name :) but as i said, i'll take a closer look at it tomorrow bye all	[14:59]
nkoth\|nelson	well, the thing is that if it was not working, a lot of other things would be breaking (like on search indexing), and not just on installign it can wait till tomorrow	[14:59]
gaxweb	i promise to double check ;)	[15:00]
nkoth\|nelson	perhaps the fix is to fix the place where the object gets there	[15:00]
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gaxweb	maybe. thus far it's running fine on our server though. anyway, more tomorrow	[15:02]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37782 10/trunk/tiki-edit_draw.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] Added wiki page name as image name if no name is given and it is from a wiki page. tikiwiki: [FIX] Width and height wrapped in quotations	[15:06]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37783 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_draw.php: [FIX] Draw user interface for creating new image permissions fix	[15:14]
fabricius	Anybody a hint to my trackerlist question? -> item-links to show to Anonymous	[15:15]
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Merbster	what ldap extension should be loaded in PHP for Tiki to use ldap auth?	[15:21]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37784 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_draw.php: [FIX] Permissions again, had it wrong last time	[15:36]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37785 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] Added permissions checks for file gallery context menu to edit tikiwiki: [FIX] Simplified permissions check for plugin, no need to check admin, permissions inherit	[15:56]
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chealer	note to self: http://paste.debian.net/133056/ note to self: results in http://paste.debian.net/133058/	[17:26]
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chealer	with MySQL 5.1.45 on Windows	[17:33]
lphuberdeau	chealer, emulating the prepared statements is a good thing with pdo/mysql	[17:36]
changi\|ffa	changi\|ffa release process will start in 30 minutes	[17:37]
arildb	chealer: Did you get your test on IIS?	[17:38]
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chealer	hi changi\|ffa. that's OK hi arildb. I was testing but a PDO/MySQL issue (which appears to only affect Tiki on Windows) got in the way	[18:03]
arildb	chealer: OK. I just downloaded the latest 7.x version. Seems to work OK, except a regular "fault" on my windows 7 machine. Data too long for column 'ip' at row 1.. All ip fields should be varchar(39) insteap of (15). OK in trunk	[18:06]
chealer	OK lphuberdeau. thank you	[18:09]
luciash	for IPv6 ?	[18:10]
chealer	thanks arildb. fair enough	[18:12]
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changi\|release	lets start	[18:26]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37787 10/branches/7.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] New version	[18:27]
chealer	OK changi\|release changi\|release: does "ffa" mean "far, far away", or what?	[18:32]
changi\|release	yes like in shrek	[18:32]
chealer	oh, I didn't see Shrek in a long time (I'm more of a Toy Story type of person)	[18:33]
changi\|release	chealer: fresh install => OK upgrade from 6.X proposals => OK chealer: database schema => OK seems good	[18:36]
chealer	changi\|release: good. I'm retrying a fresh install on Windows/IIS right now, but no need to wait for that	[18:36]
changi\|release	chealer: ok chealer: refreshing my local copy of svn	[18:37]
chealer	changi\|release: always a plus :-) my install went OK, just testing the result a bit	[18:41]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37788 10/branches/7.x/db/tiki-secdb_7.1_mysql.sql: [KIL] Useless now	[18:43]
chealer	changi\|release: works for me (clearing my local changes was also a plus :-) )	[18:45]
fabricius	re polom #hmm I just ask again I have a question to the trackerlist plugin - especially to the item links	[18:46]
Tiki\|bot	Welcome to the official Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware channel. Please ask your question directly. Don't ask to ask. Someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay a while. Thank you! Welcome to the official Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware channel. Please ask your question directly. Don't ask to ask. Someone will reply if and when they know the answer. Welcome again and please stay a while. Thank you!	[18:47]
changi\|release	chealer: i was not talking about my local checkout, i'm synchronizing the full svn data from sf.net	[18:47]
fabricius	thx Tiki\|bot :-D	[18:47]
changi\|release	Tiki\|bot: are you crazy	[18:47]
fabricius	I have the item links activated, but they are not visible for Anonymous users I find no category permission to give Ano the right to see the items or similar	[18:48]
chealer	changi\|release: oh. is that needed to release?	[18:49]
fabricius	haow I can use the item links in a certain tracker for Anos aswell?	[18:49]
changi\|release	chealer: it goes faster with it from 2 hours to 35 minutes :)	[18:49]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37789 10/branches/7.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Preparing 7.2 release tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37790 10/branches/7.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 7.2	[18:51]
chealer	interesting changi\|release. how large is that copy?	[18:52]
changi\|release	2 Gb chealer: i can share it on the community server	[18:52]
chealer	changi\|release: what a featherweight... changi\|release: what for?	[18:53]
changi\|release	it's a clone of all revision from the begining :) chealer: i can compress it it should go down to 789 Mo oups Mb	[18:53]
chealer	changi\|release: but that would be faster to obtain than from... SourceForge?	[18:55]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37791 10/branches/7.x/lang/ (48 files in 48 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 7.2	[18:55]
changi\|release	chealer: in fact no, it will take 1 or 2 weeks chealer: if it work	[18:55]
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changi\|release	with pkdille and nyloth, we spend a lot of night of synchronize it for ricks : >> Changelog updated with 117 new commits (revision 37788 to 35882), excluding duplicates, merges and release-related commits.	[18:56]
RobertPlummer	chealer: Did you get my messages to you a minute ago?	[18:57]
chealer	changi\|release: so you all have such a copy which you synchronize each time you do a release?	[18:57]
RobertPlummer	chealer: I think my account may have disconnected.	[18:57]
changi\|release	chealer: yes that's why we are so fast to release. jonny has one too	[18:57]
chealer	RobertPlummer: on IRC? no (I'm not in my normal habitat currently)	[18:58]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37792 10/branches/7.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 7.2	[18:58]
chealer	changi\|release: hahaha	[18:58]
RobertPlummer	chealer: Is it out yet? chealer: I'd like to change the external revision freeze on 25 and sheet before release.	[18:58]
chealer	RobertPlummer: your account? which one?	[18:58]
RobertPlummer	chealer: THere are a bunch of fixes if it is at all possible.	[18:58]
chealer	RobertPlummer: oh sorry, 7.2 is not out yet	[18:59]
RobertPlummer	on s5, and sheet sorry, typing fast. Can we change the revision freeze numbers to the latest?	[18:59]
chealer	RobertPlummer: would that fix a regression from 7.1?	[18:59]
RobertPlummer	of their stable branches of coarse. YES! chealer: Tons of regressions.	[18:59]
chealer	RobertPlummer: why do we have these?	[19:00]
fabricius	aaarghs - solved: tiki_p_view_closed - these tracker items are all closed	[19:00]
RobertPlummer	New calculations engine, mostly in sheet not s5. s5 just has fixes.	[19:00]
chealer	RobertPlummer: but why do we have regressions in those from 7.1?	[19:01]
RobertPlummer	the calculations engine had a few problem with things like ">=" "<=" comparative operators. chealer: The calculations engine changed from old one to new.	[19:01]
luciash	fabricius: i thought it must work ;)	[19:01]
RobertPlummer	The new one had a few regressions that are now fixed.	[19:01]
changi\|release	sometimes we are too fast too release :) s/too/to chealer: should i stop ?	[19:02]
chealer	RobertPlummer: did we forget to freeze externals or what? RobertPlummer: otherwise what revision introduces the problem?	[19:03]
RobertPlummer	chealer: The externals are frozen right now, what I'm asking is that we move them to the latest, and refreeze. chealer version 2 introduces the problem. sheet version 2.0.0, every revision.	[19:03]
chealer	RobertPlummer: in which Subversion revision did 7.x switch to sheet version 2?	[19:04]
RobertPlummer	chealer: I can't remember, but please do not revert it, to much has changed.	[19:05]
chealer	changi\|release: can you wait 5 mins?	[19:05]
changi\|release	chealer: of course an hour if you want	[19:06]
chealer	RobertPlummer: in what sense did too much change? there were many changes in that area since 7.1? thanks changi\|release	[19:07]
RobertPlummer	chealer, I'm nost asking anything other than can I move the revisions forward for better stability, if I can, please say yes, if not please say no.	[19:08]
fabricius	hi luciash I just saw your last mnessage - out of the context ... maybe I didnd't get, what you told me, cause I was logged out	[19:10]
lphuberdeau	hmmm... any recent changes to login? on a fresh trunk install, I get invalid old password	[19:10]
chealer	RobertPlummer: could you find the problematic revision? do you prefer to release as is or as 7.1 was?	[19:11]
luciash	fabricius: i mean i thought it would be something with permissions fabricius: but didn't have time to tell you - good you found out yourself	[19:13]
RobertPlummer	chealer, that wasen't what I was asking, releasing as is would be better, the calculations engine evals javascript, so it is a pretty big regression going back, going forward though is on a stable release. and it no longer does that.	[19:14]
chealer	RobertPlummer: sorry, I think it's too late for this kind of change	[19:15]
RobertPlummer	Ok, that is all I needed. chealer: But just know that I spent all that time on it so it would make it to the next release.	[19:16]
chealer	RobertPlummer: I'm sorry, if it's not worst than 7.1, let's just hurry up the next release OK, we can continue changi\|release	[19:18]
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changi\|release	ricks: >> Copyrights updated: +4 contributor(s), +1944 commit(s)	[19:27]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37793 10/branches/7.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 7.2 tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37794 10/branches/7.x/db/tiki-secdb_7.2_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 7.2 tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37795 10/trunk/lib/smarty_tiki/block.pagination_links.php: check if $params['offset_jsvar'] is defined to fix FormatterTest tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37796 10/tags/7.2/: [REL] Tagging release	[19:27]
chealer	yay!	[19:34]
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fabricius	thx luciash	[19:41]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37797 10/trunk/lib/test/TikiLib/WikiParserTest.php: update tests after behavior change in ParseLib::parse_data() on r36952	[19:44]
changi\|release	chealer: file uploaded chealer: do you want me to send the mail on the dev list ?	[19:47]
chealer	thanks very much changi\|release changi\|release: as you want, I can handle it RobertPlummer: could you document the regressions you expect or the worst ones on Known Regressions: http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes7.2 ?	[19:50]
RobertPlummer	chealer, it really would have been a lot easier to include the new update.	[19:53]
chealer	RobertPlummer: I'm sorry, I know sheets and S5 very little	[19:54]
RobertPlummer	I do not have time right now and I'm 4 projects deep. It'll go on the list, but it'll be last.	[19:55]
chealer	RobertPlummer: sorry, I didn't know sheets and S5 enough to give them an exception at this point in time RobertPlummer: OK, I'll put a general warning	[19:55]
changi\|release	chealer: do it, i need to fix some files in trunk	[19:57]
chealer	all right changi\|release downloading the 7z	[19:59]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37798 10/trunk/ (13 files in 7 dirs): [user:changi:FIX] SVN Properties	[20:01]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37799 10/trunk/lib/ (logs/logsquerylib.php trackers/trackerquerylib.php): [user:changi:FIX] Opening brace of a class must be on the line after the definition tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37800 10/trunk/lib/test/editlib/ (ParseToWiki_ListTest.php ParseToWysiwyg_ListTest.php): [user:changi:FIX] Opening brace of a class must be on the line after the definition tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37801 10/trunk/lib/svg-edit_tiki/ (draw.css draw.js): [user:changi:FIX] dos2unix	[20:05]
arildb	changi\|release: When can we expect a branch of 8.x and the LTS 6.5?	[20:13]
changi\|release	Tiki8 is managed by chealer LTS 6.5 need to be approved by the QT	[20:15]
arildb	changi\|release: thanks	[20:16]
chealer	changi\|release: actually, I'm just assisting jonnyb (with nkoth\|nelson's help) arildb: 6.5 seems to be coming but there's no date discussed yet	[20:16]
arildb	chealer: When is the 8.x branch expected?	[20:17]
chealer	arildb: not sure yet, I was just telling changi\|release we need to decide that soon	[20:18]
arildb	chealer: ok	[20:18]
chealer	that-> the final Tiki 8 schedule 7.2 is going fine here. I'm unable to create sheets, but that must be basically because I'm on Windows	[20:18]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: jonny did say he was busy today - maybe tomorrow we can discuss schedule for tiki 8 , then he said he will be more available from Tuesday onwards	[20:20]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: yes. if you're available, changi\|release and I would be available at this time tomorrow	[20:21]
nkoth\|nelson	probably a little earlier	[20:22]
chealer	changi\|release: can you participate a little earlier? I don't mind the time nkoth\|nelson, Marc and I are all in ET. Tomorrow will be Friday	[20:23]
changi\|release	i'm free from 20h to 22h GMT+2 so 2 hours and a half ago from now and tomorrow :)	[20:27]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37802 10/trunk/lib/core/Multilingual/Aligner/SentenceAlignments.php: [user:changi:FIX] Avoid function calls in a FOR loop test part	[20:34]
chealer	changi\|release: hehe, OK	[20:34]
changi\|release	chealer: did you send the mail ?	[20:46]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37803 10/branches/7.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Change the name in branche 7.x	[20:49]
chealer	I sent a mail to tiki-devel about 7.2 thanks changi\|release	[20:55]
RobertPlummer	chealer, changi\|release, CONGRATS!	[20:58]
changi\|release	RobertPlummer: thx, that's not so difficult to do	[20:59]
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chealer	if it's not difficult for changi\|ffa, it's nothing for me (except for these tough decisions...)	[21:02]
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sylvieg	lphuberdeau: is it a good idea to change the intertiki feature with all teh json webvservice lib you wrote for tiki? congrats and thanks to the releasers	[21:20]
chealer	it looks like the Sheets error is fixed in trunk, I could create a sheet there using the same MySQL closing http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=3908 sylvieg: thanks. could you update /topic ?	[21:22]
sylvieg	chealer: ??	[21:23]
chealer	done sylvieg: could you update the channel's topic to reflect 7.2's release? RobertPlummer: BTW, I just tried sheets in trunk, apparently if you enter a value too fast (type a character then enter in less than a second) the value is lost	[21:27]
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	sylvieg changes topic to: Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware - Software made the Wiki Way - Tiki 7.2 is out! Wanna ask something? Just ask. We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log), type !help to get some help from our bot ;) Enjoy!	[22:05]
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sylvieg	chealer: done	[22:21]
chealer	thanks	[22:30]
sylvieg	chealer: reading my mail - are you sure tra(YYY-MM-SS) will work ? is the test language aware?	[22:33]
chealer	sylvieg: the test? that was in a module, no? oh, a plugin actually	[22:35]
sylvieg	I am afraid people translate to YYYY-MM-DD to JJ-MM-AAAA taht will not work	[22:36]
chealer	sylvieg: ah, well, ISO 8601 is the same in all languages - if translators change it, it's an error	[22:38]
sylvieg	and until we have a tr with 'context' I will rockback the tra buit how do translators know?	[22:38]
chealer	sylvieg: it would be ideal to give instructions to translators on this one, but it won't be particularly more difficult for translators to understand than for users. sylvieg: translators shouldn't touch what they don't know, but it's possible there are errors. I see 2 ways to clarify:	[22:40]
sylvieg	sylvieg is afraid that a smart translator will change the format - and the module will not work. I will prefer no translation until ...	[22:42]
chealer	brb	[22:42]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37804 10/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): tikiwiki: [ENH] move perspective_binder into lib/, store get and set function of this tikiwiki: in perspectivelib, more checks before including perspective_binder in tiki-setup	[22:52]
chealer	sorry 1 way: change "YYYY-MM-DD" to something clearer like "4 digits for the year, a dash, 2 digits for the month, a dash and finally 2 digits for the day" another way: tra("Latest date to select articles from, in ISO 8601 format (YYYY-MM-DD)")	[22:56]
sylvieg	but if I am a french translator I will translate to JJ-MM-AAAA	[22:59]
chealer	sylvieg: why?	[23:00]
sylvieg	because I localize	[23:00]
chealer	sylvieg: YYYY-MM-DD is not an English format, it's an international standard ( http://www.iso.org/iso/support/faqs/faqs_widely_used_standards/widely_used_standards_other/date_and_time_format.htm )	[23:01]
sylvieg	but a French translator does not know.. onyl my 2 cents - I have no fast solution - but I think it will create more problem than solve rpoblem	[23:01]
chealer	sylvieg: it's possible that some translators don't know, but as I said they shouldn't touch it then. errors may happen and they can be fixed I think both of the suggestions above will reduce the possibility of errors and an even better to avoid errors would be to change the field from a text input to a calendar widget s/better/better way/	[23:02]
sylvieg	it is a plginparamter.. oops plugin parameter	[23:04]
chealer	sylvieg: I agree it might create problem, but the change is technically correct and the risk of errors is not worth everting in my opinion sylvieg: oh, right, well then plugin dialog could still offer a calendar widget	[23:05]
sylvieg	ok agree	[23:06]
chealer	sylvieg: another possibility would be to translate the parts indepently - "YYYY", "MM" and "DD" separately. but that will give very little context for non-interactive translation	[23:07]
sylvieg	+1 good idea	[23:07]
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fabricius	sylvieg chealer - wouldn't it be somehow possible to switch direction of date format relative to the language? in Germany we have DD.MM.YYYY aswell	[23:50]

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