[00:06] *** Caarrie|away is now known as Caarrie|sleeping [00:10] fabricius: what we're talking about is the description of an input field. the input is expected in a single format (therefore an international format) [00:14] *** AldenisZen has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [00:24] ah thx and sorry chealer - though it was kind of a date shown on a calendar or so [00:52] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [00:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [00:55] *** marclaporte has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:56] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [00:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [01:05] tikiwiki: 03chealer * r37805 10/trunk/templates/admin/include_wiki.tpl: [ENH] wiki_up to database migration tool: clarify feedback [01:24] *** goj has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) [01:24] *** goj_killedByISP has joined #tikiwiki [01:24] *** goj_killedByISP is now known as goj [01:45] Info: Tiki 7.2 Now Available - http://info.tiki.org/article175-Tiki-7-2-Now-Available [01:51] *** DarkCalff has joined #tikiwiki [01:53] *** DarkCalf has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:34] *** chealer has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:39] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [04:03] *** malakgodz has joined #tikiwiki [04:04] on ma dit qu'il y avait des francophone.. toute fois on ne ma pas dit qui ici pour celui qui ma envoyer un mail je voudrai plus de détail merci.. 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[07:54] 'cause "Header already sent" is kinda useless without file and line information [07:54] *** dodenhoff has joined #tikiwiki [07:55] good morning, together [07:56] gaxweb, What tha terror means is you're doing something to the header after page body has been loaded. [07:57] and polom to you all! :) [07:57] i know. my point is that the error message isn't as helpful as it could be [07:58] like: "header already sent in /path/up/to/index.php at line 1" [07:58] gaxweb, ok. yes. makes more sense :P [07:59] so is echoing paths considered a security hole in the tiki universe? [07:59] just checking before i make changes [08:00] ah Jens, polom [08:01] and Merb, polom you and all aswell [08:01] gaxweb, I'd say not in PHP error messages if the error message adheres to the servers settings [08:04] * gaxweb wonders what polom means [08:04] gaxweb, you can search for that at doc.tiki.org [08:04] :P [08:04] harhar [08:04] i wonder that, too, for a moment ago [08:05] http://twbasics.keycontent.org/Glossary <- here [08:06] gaxweb, are you the one who continued work on the perspective binder? [08:06] hah there is a fault in there [08:06] Merbster: nope [08:07] where is a fault? [08:08] Merbster: I do some work on perspectiver binder, is it by any chance faster now? [08:08] t.smarties [08:08] qolom is not existing [08:09] it should be moloq [08:09] Merbster: -> dodenhoff he is [08:09] dodenhoff, The slowness is, at first glance, coming from the SQL query using tikis own lib. [08:09] there must be some overhead there that it really doesn't like. [08:10] I did not have the time to investigate, I just switched the modified version out with my initial hack. [08:10] because the direct sql queries are faster. [08:10] I think direct queries are alsways faster, it is the question, do we direct queries or not [08:10] also the solution might not scale very well with 1000s of perspectives because those are saved as serialized PHP so checking a pages categories up against a perspective involves deserialization of PHP objects [08:11] dodenhoff, I am in doubt there. because at the current speed with tikilib used. it's near unusable. [08:12] brb [08:13] hmm [08:23] merbster: do you have the up-to-date version? for me it is working, but I have just a few perspectives set. Since the db query is done in a loop and within it followed by a loop it creates, of course, a lot of overhead, in particular if the search is not successful. but I cannot think about a way to reduce that, except [08:23] *** Loggar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:25] *** Loggar starts logging #tikiwiki at Fri Sep 30 08:25:03 2011 [08:25] *** Loggar has joined #tikiwiki [08:27] we do this loop on an areas admin panel and save the perspectiveids we look for in an array as a property of categories, that way it outputs just the wanted perspectives instead of collecting them everytime you request a page [08:30] *** redflo has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** Tiki|bot has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** marclaporte has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** goj has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** luciash has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** niclone has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** sipherdee has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** fabricius has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** Caarrie|sleeping has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** changi|ffa has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:30] *** DarkCalff has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** idle- has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** Merbster has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** libs_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** gaxweb has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** blast_hardcheese has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** coaboa has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** AldenisZen has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** chealer has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** sylvieg has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:31] *** Narkster has quit IRC (*.net *.split) [08:33] *** dodenhoff has left [08:41] *** Merbster has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** redflo has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** DarkCalff has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** libs_ has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** goj has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** Tiki|bot has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** sipherdee has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** luciash has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** niclone has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** Caarrie|sleeping has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** changi|ffa has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** idle- has joined #tikiwiki [08:41] *** card.freenode.net sets mode: +oo marclaporte luciash [08:42] *** gaxweb has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** gaxweb has left [08:42] *** Wilkins_ has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** coaboa has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** AldenisZen has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** chealer has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** sylvieg has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** Narkster has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** card.freenode.net sets mode: +o sylvieg [08:42] *** Jyhem has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** stix has joined #tikiwiki [08:42] *** blast_hardcheese has joined #tikiwiki [08:45] fabricius, I don't know. If I am going I'll try to get my job to sponsor the trip [08:49] Merbster: that would make sense [09:16] fabricius: iirc you need perm to view the trackers too [09:16] fabricius: anon [09:18] luciash: re [09:19] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Quit: *fuuuppppp gone*) [09:20] *** lerrachiq has joined #tikiwiki [09:26] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [09:28] * Merbster is happy today. I love pay day [09:28] luciash: back I am [09:29] I have the permission set for Anos to view the tracker and pending items [09:29] for open items I did not find a permission [09:35] fabricius: there is none [09:35] fabricius: open items is tiki_p_view_tracker [09:36] fabricius: you said they were closed, so you need perm to view_tracker and to view closed [09:38] I seemed to have miss-seen s.th. yesterday night [09:38] I have both on: perm pending and perm closed [09:39] and perm view ? [09:39] yes, and perm view - then items are open in this tracker [09:40] maybe a problem with category perms and tracker? [09:40] you have category perms set per the tracker ? [09:40] yes [09:40] and they are ? [09:41] ok, mom I recheck again - some seconds pls [09:45] it is category "public" - set for Anos: [09:45] tiki_p_tracker_view_attachments - tiki_p_tracker_view_ratings [09:45] tiki_p_view_trackers - tiki_p_view_trackers_closed - tiki_p_view_trackers_pending - tiki_p_watch_trackers [09:46] when the tracker item is open, I can see it, but no link - when I switch it to pending or closed it disappears out of the trackerlist [09:50] obwohl du das schon gut erklärst [09:50] sry [09:50] forget that [09:52] when I login, I cansee the links [09:55] in my point of view it should work [09:55] this way [10:00] luciash: I made it the opposit way round now: I just added tiki_p_view_tracker in general settings [10:00] now it works [10:00] somwwhat off topic: does one know if i can use jitsi to call a skype user? [10:01] coaboa: it should work in the meantime, but I do not know [10:01] I want to try jitsi aswell [10:01] first thing I got working is the text chat [10:02] *** gaxweb has joined #tikiwiki [10:03] coaboa: if you want, I would like to test more aswell [10:03] would like to see, if audio/video works between two jitsis [10:04] jitsi/skype would be nice asewll [10:04] the editor for articles is creating line-breaks instead of paragraphs. i can't find a setting to change that though. is it possible or do i need to modify code? [10:04] on jitsi.org they did write something about having integrated a skype protokoll [10:05] i'm taking about the generated HTML btw. [10:07] gaxweb: wiki paragraph formatting on Admin > Editing & Plugins panel [10:08] fabricius: tiki_p_view_tracker global perm shouldn't override object (category) perm [10:09] fabricius: it should be the other way around actually ... weird ... what Tiki version ? [10:09] fabricius: just read that there is some sort of support for the spype codec but no idea how to configure because jitsy does not offer a "skype" service [10:10] codec is just the way how the data is compressed, simply said [10:11] * luciash didn't know skype codec was publicly available [10:15] * luciash thought it is proprietary [10:15] luciash:was surprised too . maybe I mixed something [10:16] imho the fact that the skype codec is supported would mean one can benefit from its good audio quality when using it in jitsi [10:17] that wouldn't mean you can connect to and call skype users though [10:17] just my thoughts [10:18] but I've found it: the jitsi homepage states: support for skype SILK codec [10:21] luciash: yes that could be. If they use the codec. Maybe thats the fact. I did'nt thought of that option ;-) [10:22] *** lerrachiq has left "Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is" [10:22] luciash: I am wondering for the permission issue aswell [10:23] luci but in fact, category perm IS overwriting general perm, as I have a first aid tracker with sensible datas - that i a non-public category and NOT showing the items of that tracker [10:24] but luciash: I am thinking about takng out the first aid area into an extra installation anyway [10:25] I do not want any risk that somebody else than a tiny few of admins could see or make publc those tracker datas [10:25] even if it was not on purpose, just due to wrong categorization [10:34] *** Caarrie|sleeping is now known as Caarrie|away [10:38] fabricius, you can "auto-categorize" in tracker items now dependant on perspective [10:39] You just have to add the category field in the tracker. Set it to for example drop down or listbox and then use pretty tracker to place the category choice in a hidden div. Then it will always categorize in the option picked by the perspective and the user won't have any way of changing it. [10:40] fabricius: depends on the version [10:41] fabricius: i have most experience with 6.x trackers [10:42] Merbster: even not via url param ? [10:42] luciash, I haven't tested that, but I would figure most users are not even aware you can pass in parameters that way. [10:43] Merbster: yep, but when you say "any way" i get picky ;) [10:44] luciash, well they could login to the database and change the categorization there but I see the chance of a user doing that very small. :P [10:44] And there is no way they can do it trhough an UI - which in user terms means "no way" [10:46] arggl - chromium cannot show the OpenStreetMaps of Tiki [10:56] language: I had limited language to english and german, then unlimited and limited to french english and german [10:56] but still in the switch menu module I can se only english and german [10:56] nofrench [10:57] canthis be a bug? [11:03] Merbster: be careful of links like tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&cookietab=2&itemId=14&show=view&ins_15[]=4&save=Save [11:04] Merbster: ins_15[] is my category dropdown, category Private = 5, category Public = 4 [11:05] luciash, you'd still need pretty deep knowledge about how tiki is designed and what catIds are assigned to what categories. [11:05] also the name of the HTML element [11:06] Merbster: view source can mostly easily tell you [11:06] luciash, yes, for us blessed with IT knowledge [11:06] most users won't know. :P [11:07] Merbster: maybe you talk in context of internal Intranet, where ppl cannot do much, but when you take it out to internet... you cannot count on it ppl don't have a clue [11:07] *that ppl don't have a clue [11:09] luciash, ofcourse not. [11:09] if you'd like to build public social site on it, you'd need to take care of every possibility [11:09] But my point is, you cannot automaticly categorize an item in wiki [11:09] Without using above described workaround [11:11] there are some ways... but you mean tracker item or wiki page ? [11:11] tracker item [11:13] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37807 10/third_party/jquery/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] mobile: Update jquery.mobile to 1.0 RC 1 [11:13] tikiwiki: 03jean-lucnavarro * r37808 10/trunk/lang/fr/language.php: [TRA] more French translations + corrections [11:14] Merbster: yup, i am not sure if "Auto create corresponding categories" also assigns that item to that category [11:14] luciash, then you just categorize it. I am talking about categorizing an item, depending on what perspective is currently active. [11:17] New Forum Posts: Zur deutschen I18n beitragen - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=10&comments_parentId=42376 [11:17] Merbster: i understand what you mean :) i just pointed out i wouldn't 100% rely on this workaround but rather see something implemented in trackers code [11:21] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37809 10/third_party/mobileESP/mdetect.php: [FIX] mobile: Update mobile esp library [11:21] why can anonymous users see unpublished articles on /tiki-list_articles.php? [11:21] that's a bug, right? [11:30] gaxweb, I guess that would depend on the permissions you gave [11:30] hmm, couldn't find any [11:31] in that direction [11:33] for articles , anonymous only has read_article, read_topic and rate_article [11:33] gaxweb: well, i would say it is rather missing permission to view the articles list [11:34] luciash: but i want them to see the list, just not which articles haven't been published yet [11:34] gaxweb: it depends if you want your anonymous users view the articles list at all, or you want them view only list with published [11:35] ok, and where can i set "view only list with published" [11:37] gaxweb: i would rather file a bug report that there is no permission tiki_p_list_articles [11:37] i see. thanks for the help though. [11:38] gaxweb: as a workaround you could delete the script tiki-list_articles.php and send your users to a wiki page with articles wikiplugin instead where you can list only published [11:39] *** RobertPlummer has joined #tikiwiki [11:39] my actual problem is that tiki-view_articles.php can't be sorted by users [11:39] that's a good idea luciash, thanks [11:40] unless you can't sort there either :) [11:40] heh, not sure if you can [11:40] * gaxweb takes a look [11:40] there's Article List plugin too [11:41] ah, that's the one [11:41] mkay, so many places to go :] [11:41] the other one inserts article content, ok [11:45] nah, won't help unfortunately - no custom sorting. it seems to invoke the view template. :/ [11:45] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37810 10/trunk/templates/tracker_validator.tpl: [ENH] trackers: Disable submit buttons on tracker forms after the form is submitted. Will stop duplicate items being added - requires feature_jquery_validation (thanks Xavi) [11:48] *** rodrigo_sampaio has joined #tikiwiki [11:48] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37811 10/trunk/templates/admin/include_features.tpl: [MOD] admin/features: Move mobile prefs below non-experimental ajax & jquery ones [11:48] gaxweb: i see. other option for you is to mdify the template of tiki-list_articles [11:54] gaxweb: go to templates/ and make a copy of tiki-list_articles.tpl [11:54] yes, doing it myself usually works ;) [11:55] gaxweb: then edit the line where the section loop starts [11:55] gaxweb: with {section name=changes loop=$listpages} [11:56] add after: {if $listpages[changes].ispublished eq 'y'} [11:56] but then nobody would see unpublished articles anymore, right? [11:57] then you need to close this condition on line before {sectionelse} [11:57] using {/if} [11:59] yep, unless you add: or $user neq '' (to the condition) [12:00] aha! [12:00] means OR $user is empty (which is anonymous) [12:00] tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r37812 10/trunk/lib/headerlib.php: [FIX] headerlib: Missing var in set_metatags (seemingly unused function?) and missing global in add_map [12:01] gaxweb: remember this is still a workaround... there should really be new permission check instead [12:02] gaxweb: you could also use: or $tiki_p_admin [12:02] gaxweb: if you want only users with admin perms view the unpublished ones [12:03] $tiki_p_admin eq 'y' [12:04] gotta run, c u later [12:07] thanks! [12:07] {if $listpages[changes].ispublished eq 'n' and $user eq ''}{else} did it [12:08] gaxweb, clever! :P [12:14] not really, but thanks ;) [12:15] * Merbster is looking forward to the weekend [12:15] * gaxweb too: BF3!! [12:15] you got access to the beta? [12:15] or is it released? [12:15] sure [12:16] it's open now. anyone can play. [12:16] ah nice :) [12:16] Well I am planning to buy Gears of War 3 today. [12:16] a good choice as well [12:16] I am wondering if I should postpone it. [12:17] why? [12:19] * gaxweb will head home now to work some more there [12:19] because I don't think it will bring anything new or wonderful. It's just the end of a story. "more of the same" even though more of Gears is not necesarrily a bad thing [12:20] that's probably true, but isn't that the same for most sequels? [12:20] more of the same? [12:20] yes ofcourse. I want it, what I question is, do I really want to pay 66€ for it [12:21] http://jsfiddle.net/T4GwL/ <- what is wrong here? . why is the first "Rediger" button not alerting what I have pressed? [12:22] well, money is a different story :) [12:22] gotta go now. cya. [12:23] have a nice weekend gaxweb [12:23] you too [12:24] *** gaxweb has left [12:24] I found out. [12:24] forgot to give the button an ID. it only had a name [12:26] *** coaboa has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [12:34] *** Merbster has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:41] *** jonnyb has joined #tikiwiki [12:53] tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r37813 10/trunk/templates/fgal_context_menu.tpl: [FIX] Context menu feature checks for sheet, draw, and docs [13:06] *** Wilkins_ is now known as Wilkins [13:11] tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r37814 10/trunk/lib/perspective_binder.php: [FIX] decomment if in else case again, so it does not redirects on any found categid [13:12] *** radek82 has joined #tikiwiki [13:13] are people using tiki to send html newsletters? [13:17] *** fabricius has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:29] *** fabricius has joined #tikiwiki [13:29] sylvieg: I am just starting to use HTML newsletters [13:37] *** raja__ has joined #tikiwiki [13:38] *** raja__ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:43] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:43] *** nkoth|nelson has joined #tikiwiki [13:43] *** nkoth|nelson has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:45] *** nkoth|nelson has joined #tikiwiki [13:45] fabricius: is it working well? - I suppose you have to put absolute url for image.. [14:03] sylvieg: we are still testing - not with much time, cause we have several different tasks - but yes, image seems to be a problem [14:04] If I remember right, I had to use the absolute url [14:04] I can have a look [14:13] *** stix has quit IRC (Quit: stix) [14:28] mom sylvieg - got a phonecall [14:34] polom [14:39] sylvieg: yes, I did send a few testnewsletters - I recieved the image with absolute url - had to tell the browser to open external source (I think that is a normal local setting and not controlable by the webmaster) [14:39] sylvieg: I have to go for a while - will come back to you later on - OK? 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[15:57] *** libs_ has joined #tikiwiki [16:02] *** Wilkins has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [16:23] tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37817 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] Allow showing of fields when creating new tracker item while registering even without create item perm) because you don't want to actually give the create item perm that will allow access to create item screen [16:37] *** lphuberdeau has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:47] tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r37818 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] Allow categorization of user tracker item while registration even without all the required perms which is real troublesome to setup [16:59] tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r37819 10/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [MOD] Introducing the transaction concept, which does not handle database transactions for now, but limits the amounts of commits on unified index (which is the same scope) [17:02] *** GillesM has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:03] *** RobertPlummer has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [17:14] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37820 10/trunk/lib/test/editlib/ (ParseToWiki_TextTest.php ParseToWysiwyg_TextTest.php): restore preference default state to fix testWikiParser() test [17:15] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37821 10/trunk/lib/test/phpunit.php: wraper file to make it possible to debug the test suite using Xdebug/Aptana [17:15] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37822 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_code.php: check if $colors variable is defined [17:15] tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r37823 10/trunk/lib/test/wiki-plugins/ (. CodeTest.php): very basic test for wikiplugin_code() [17:16] * changi|ffa polom [17:16] *** changi|ffa is now known as changi [17:29] *** lphuberdeau has joined #tikiwiki [17:44] *** changi is now known as changi|Zend [17:53] hi changi|Zend [17:54] nkoth|nelson: when would you be available to discuss Tiki 8? [17:56] *** radek82 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [17:56] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [17:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [18:00] chealer,i just finished lunch [18:01] *** marclaporte has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [18:01] hi all [18:02] hi all [18:05] * chealer starting lunch [18:19] id advanced rating working for forum? or do we have rating in forum? [18:20] the doc says comments... [18:26] well, forums are just comments with a different UI [18:27] I haven't tried it but it should work unless some objecttype confusion happened causing it to break [18:31] is there another doc than http://doc.tiki.org/Advanced+Rating - checking the feature advance rating is not enough to show rating bar in forum [18:32] *** marclaporte has joined #tikiwiki [18:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o marclaporte [18:32] polom [18:33] hi marclaporte [18:33] sylvieg: I think there is a "posts can be rated" check box in individual forum setting [18:33] lphuberdeau: I'm working on a new preference that when enabled will add more behavior to UsersLib::add_user(). instead of adding it directly to the function, I'm considering using the new events mechanism. creating something like tiki.user.save and bind it to tiki.save. but tiki.save already have plugged in some functionally that is exclusive to tiki objects (like plugin_post_save_actions). what do you think of moving everything that is binded to [18:34] hi marclaporte [18:34] I think nkoth|nelson, changi|Zend are here so we can start on that Tiki 8 scheduele [18:34] yep [18:34] I wanted to start asking how the server migration was going, but changi|Zend just told me it's complete :-) [18:35] rogrigo_sampaio, makes sense, since tiki.save is never triggered directly, all that binding is quite local [18:35] however, what do you expect would be common between objects and users? [18:36] first, do we is it realistic to release by November? and at the same time, how available will you be in October changi|Zend? we need to upgrade almost all sites, plus package at least 2 releases. [18:38] should be fine [18:38] and trunkdoc and trunkdev will help a lot [18:39] so end Octobei-ish? [18:39] lphuberdeau: I can't think of anything now that is common between them. But I like the idea of leaving this possibility open in case something appears. [18:39] changi|Zend: great. absolutely, {trunk,legacy}{doc,dev} will be so facilitating [18:40] lphuberdeau: but I trust your judgment if you think it is better to have two independent chains, one for objects and other for users. [18:40] nkoth|nelson: the current draft says Halloween :-) http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8 [18:40] nkoth|nelson: thanks I have it now [18:41] *** coaboa has joined #tikiwiki [18:41] halloween is fine for me [18:41] rodrigo_sampaio: we can always change the chain later if we see it's needed [18:41] i can provide a trunkinfo too [18:42] changi|Zend: oh. are we going to upgrade info to 8? [18:42] rodrigo_sampaio: it's not hard to do now, and it won't be much harder in the future either [18:42] rodrigo_sampaio: but there is a need for tiki.user.update and tiki.user.create, with a common tiki.user.save [18:43] chealer: maybe on day, it will be usefull to have our 3 most popular website with a trunk view [18:43] even if we don't upgrade it now [18:43] lphuberdeau: ok, now I only need tiki.user.create. but if it is easy to deploy, which is likely to be the case, I will do tiki.user.update and tiki.user.save as well [18:44] changi|Zend: OK, yes in that sense it would be useful, and if upgrading it takes little time, we would need it for 9 anyway [18:44] so does anyone think it's too late for October 31st or have a different target release date to suggest? [18:45] chealer: I'm quite optimistic about the stability of trunk right now [18:45] lphuberdeau: cool [18:47] OK lphuberdeau. let's go with that [18:47] that gives us a nice 31 days to release [18:47] there has been much more people testing on trunk than in any past releases, so I believe we're already past alpha [18:48] even late-beta quality, but I guess only branching and getting random people testing will show that [18:48] next question, when do we branch? [18:48] as soon as possible [18:48] I already feel limited in the changes I can make [18:48] tomorrow? [18:49] I mean in the list of people who said they had things to add, are there any outstanding? [18:49] it's not like branching meant complete freeze [18:49] I agree with ASAP [18:49] well, fixes are ok, but given that we have 1 month it will be quite strictly just fixes [18:49] but I have a wave of changes to make in trackers, and I can't do it anywhere now [18:49] I'm also holding some changes waiting for branching [18:50] so I agree with branching as soon as possible [18:50] that means we should have branched a week ago [18:50] nkoth|nelson: only Jonny and Robert said they had things IIRC. Robert explicitly asked not to freeze yesterday. I told him to add his plans on the radar but he didn't yet. [18:50] there will be auto-merge for a long while, so no big issue [18:50] how about Monday? and who can branch? [18:51] branching takes a few seconds [18:51] sunday evening so next week can start clean? [18:52] no freeze during "normal working hours" [18:53] OK, is everyone good with branching Sunday? [18:53] * marclaporte is Ok to branch anytime, the earlier, the better [18:53] * marclaporte thinks doc.tiki.org [18:53] +1 [18:53] I think it is fine. If jonny has any thing he needs to commit when he gets back Tuesday we can make an exception for him [18:53] chealer: +1 [18:53] let's do sunday [18:55] good. next question, number of prereleases. we currently have 2 betas and 1 RC scheduled. how about just 1 beta and one RC? [18:56] if anything, I would rather do 1 beta and 2 RC than the other way around [18:56] RC is a different signal [18:56] Tiki 7 had 2 betas and 1 RC [18:56] it depends on how many commits there are [18:57] 1 beta and 2 RC will be fine for me [18:57] (but over a 2+ months freeze) [18:57] 1 package per week is fine [18:57] not more [18:57] but 1 beta and 2 RC sounds about right, unless we discover some things that blandside us [18:57] but a lot of bugs have been fix already imo [18:57] * marclaporte thinks doc.tiki.org in 8.x will bring us some bug reports and the earlier, the better [18:58] I would rather avoid *planning* several RCs, I think a release candidate should actually be something we think could be released as-is [18:58] chealer: many people just don't test if it says beta [18:58] chealer: I see what you are saying [18:59] but people are more likely to test RC? [18:59] probably [18:59] that's for sure [18:59] 1 beta, 1 RC, and leave time for a second one if needed [19:00] first RC 3rd week of october? [19:00] or 2nd even [19:00] pretty much [19:00] is everyone OK with lphuberdeau's suggestion? [19:01] yes for me. [19:02] ok [19:02] good, next, is any step missing from http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8#Schedule ? [19:04] dates? [19:05] yeah, if no step is missing, we get to dates [19:06] good, now for pre-release dates, we have a beta and an RC. [19:07] I would target release before 31 [19:07] chealer: some website are missing [19:07] I should write an email [19:07] but nothing critical [19:07] that way, if we're a bit late, we can still manage for 31 [19:08] changi|Zend: OK, then please add them, we get to those in a moment [19:09] lphuberdeau: OK, let's make sure we agree on that first [19:09] does have a different target release date to suggest? [19:10] anyone... [19:11] well not sure if it matters but I will be quite precoocupied from Oct 21 - 29 [19:11] I'm hesitant to target significantly before October 31st. I consider it as just a tentative date, I don't really mind delayed a bit to November if necessary. [19:12] so from my perspective setting 31 is fine [19:12] I think it would be awesome to hit the release schedule once ;) [19:12] it is sort of industry standard not to hit those things lol [19:13] nkoth, if you're going to be busy the last week, we might as well try to release before it while you're not ;) [19:13] worse beore [19:13] I'd say 31 is a good date [19:13] good chance of hitting and even if we miss it'll be just a few days [19:14] OK, let's stick with October 31st then. [19:14] how about 29, which is a saturday [19:15] I'm OK with October 29th if it's a better weekday [19:16] nkoth|nelson? [19:16] I'm indifferent between both [19:16] I might be mistaken, but I think week-end is better for changi [19:16] I'm presenting at an open source conference on the 29 I think [19:16] don't you think it would be nice to have the 8 package pop-up during your presentation? :) [19:17] lphuberdeau is highly convincing [19:17] hehe [19:17] so you release while I present? [19:17] hahaha [19:17] chealer ^ :) [19:18] if others don't mind, I'm OK with that [19:19] tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r37824 10/trunk/ (27 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] Zend Code Styling - quality.tiki.org [19:20] I guess we'll go with October 29th then [19:20] ok [19:21] changed. are we all satisfied with what we decided so far? [19:22] ok for me [19:22] great. back to pre-release dates, I suggest beta October 11th and RC October 22nd. [19:23] beta should be earlier I think [19:23] *** asimpletest has joined #tikiwiki [19:23] October 11th is 9 days after branching [19:24] i can do it next thursday [19:24] October 10th is a the Monday of thanksgiving [19:24] 6th [19:24] so the 6th would be 4 days after branching [19:25] !help [19:25] You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tiki.org/TikiBot . [19:26] nkoth|nelson: would you prefer October 6th to 11th? [19:26] yes [19:26] OK. I have no strong opinion [19:27] *** asimpletest has left [19:27] is everyone OK with RC October 22nd? [19:28] +1 [19:28]