polom tikiverse! :)
where can i find documentation for date_format?
polom
polom Bernard1 
Bernard1, do you know how i can change the date_format for my pretty tracker?
SJ-Jay: date_format is a PHP function, if that's what you're referring to: http://ca2.php.net/manual/en/function.date-format.php
… i believe that can be done through TW date format system (admin => Date&Time)
Hey chealer! yeah merbster told me so problem solved! :)
hi chealer
in general => Date & Time we can change "Long date format" and "Short date format" used in the tracker. That won't be reflected in pretty tracker ?
hi Bernard1
polom
hi Torsten
late polom to you all :)
later polom to all of you too ;-)
hehehe :P
fabricius, We have disabled perspective in our Wiki because most of the plugins and modules we use, doesn't automatically adhere to it.
tikiwiki: 03jyhem * r38013 10/branches/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] Obvious typo
Merbter can you share a list of "perspective resistent" plugins/modules?
Is anyone else receiving a "system error" message when loading a tiki wiki website?
Our website: www.hedon.info has been down for a day now
HEDON, yes there is an error
coaboa, well most plugins that filter data needs to be fed categories that are bound to the current perspective.
coaboa, trackerlist plugin, list plugin
coaboa, also, trackers doesn't automatically categorize according to perspective, you need to have workarounds for that - where it's just easier to create an argument variable that exposes the $objectCategoryIds variable and then categorize the page where you want it
coaboa, then you can auto-categorize tracker items by using the parameters autosavefields="category field id goes here" autosavevalues="{{objectCategoryIds}}"
but still no use of the perspective.
I see, thx for the info. 
have to pass that to one of our devs. 
coaboa, it will take _alot_ of work to make tiki automatically sort and categorize according to perspective
coaboa, I have trhought about commiting the argumentvariables I made though
Thank you Merbster
HEDON, check your log. it is possible to "lock yourself out" of tiki if you have made a custom module or a pretty tracker template that does inappropriate stuff
HEDON, you could try going directly to tiki-login.php
I'll try that now, thank you.
in js/jquery if I assing an eventhandler to a button and then copy the button element 3 different places to the page, will the copied buttons still have the eventhandlers attached?
Merbster: what do you mean?
[09:59]	<Merbster>	fabricius, We have disabled perspective in our Wiki because most of the plugins and modules we use, doesn't automatically adhere to it.
polom
polom chibaguy 
hi fabricius
hello chibaguy & fabricius
In a branch 8 site, I get "Assign %0 to groups" on the Admin Users page.
...where the user's name should appear, in the mouseover tooltip.
hi coaboa
seems like I always log on here with a problem to report ;-).
thats good, know your enemy, the bug!
guys
is it possible to show results from webservice plugin in a menu?
Sorry, SJ-Jay, I have 0% experience with webservice plugin.
I imagine you need LPH, maybe.
Or Jonny.
well the webservice part itsn't the problem.. it's the menu part :)
i have a webservice that creates links to pages in tiki.. i want this list of links to show in a menu
i know i can create a module and assign it, but i'm afraid that it will make the list very long
i would prefer to have a sections level 0 called links and then all my webservice links as choices
hey jonnyb 
polom all
polom :) jonnyb have u ever created a "real" dynamic menu?
you*
dynamic content based on ie. webservice results
nope, sounds fun
yeah it would be cool.. just don't know if it is possible :)
chibaguy: I have a problem with positioning of the logo box. on ubuntu ff the position is ok but on windows ff,chrome & ie9its 25px to close to the left border.
http://d-trunk.poiesis.com/classic
ubuntu chrome is also ok
so it looks like os dependent? I have no glue what to change as if I change it to match windows/mac it screws unix and vice a versa
definetelly os: mac is also far to close to the left layout-border
coaboa, on windows FF, the logo seems to be right at the left margin (no space).
In Opera, it's ok (there is space between left margin and logo).
coaboa, what if, for #top_modules .box-logo, you use margin-left: 20px instead of padding-left ?
padding seems to be a little more subject to interpretation or something, than margin.
thx will try that. BTW how do you like the look?
I was just going to say I think the look is great. Nice job. :-)
About the .box-logo, I'm not sure why there are both float:left and position:relative properties. Either float or absolute/relative positioning should be used. Maybe this is a cause of the margin problem.
(poiesis.css line 1290)
ok, maybe played a little to much arround. thx. have to add some category descriptions and then I'll try to fix that.
fabricius, what I mean is, that since tracker saving, and tracker showing doesn't automatically adhere to the current perspective, you need to feed them category Ids to filter the data according to the current perspective.
fabricius, but since the perspective is found out by the category of the page you are on, you might as well supply the plugin with the category ID directly. 
fabricius, we ended up doing this, and suddenly SJ-Jay goes - "We don't need perspectivehack anymore - all filtering is done in the plugins"
Does anyone know if changing the background color of a several textareas at once would give trouble in tiki?
coaboa, the design of the wiki page, category path, last modification, etc. is very nice. :-)
Did you have to modify .tpls to get that, or was it possible with just CSS?
(when you have time to answer)
cool that you  like it. after bookfair we may build a tiki theme on that. As it uses catagory ID i build some if things for a html head file and added some divs to tiki.tpl (which get swithced by the html head code.
How about the wiki page area (#tiki-center)? only CSS styling?
Merbster: in the plugins or in the modules?
no thats done by the above mentioned combination of if catagID this display #div else. same way I hide the extra_center_column when editing a page.
nice
fabricius, there are no consistensy in this, some modules (like a list of new objects in a given category) is adhering to the perspective, but for example saving tracker items doesn't look at perspective, without using a workaround.
Merbster: tiki is like life, somewhat chaotic but a powerful beauty ;-)
coaboa, I know - :P
bbl
polom y'all
hello guys
does anyone know if the documentation section has actually a problem with uploading photos?
cause am trying to enrich the documentation and need to add images apart from text
adelfmar: I haven't tried to upload an image to the doc site lately; maybe there is a problem now. ricks99, any idea?
haven't seen any issues. are you getting an error?
Merbster: "but for example saving tracker items doesn't look at perspective, without using a workaround." => what happens then, if you save a tracker item?
Merbster: and here: ".. all filtering is done in the plugins" which plugins do you mean - or did you mean modules?
fabricius, I mean both plugins and modules.
fabricius, if you have  a tracker on a page - that page is categorized to have a perspective. - you'd expect the tracker to save the items created in that perspective, to be categorized so they are also affected by the perspective - but it doesn't
fabricius, you need to set it up with autosavevalues and autosavefields - and in my case I only got it working by adding $objectCategoryIds to an argumentvariable that can be used in tikepages - like {{user}} and {{page}} just with category Id instead
fabricius, or by having a category field that is hidden in a div 
(last one only works in tiki 8 thouh)
 New Forum Posts: Wiki search by alias names. - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42408
If one of you guys had to do some functionality where an "Edit" button becomes a "Save" button after it is clicked, would you hide/show two different buttons or re-assign event handlers to the button?
Merbster, I just use jQuery.
RobertPlummer, ofcourse
Have different menus for different states.
RobertPlummer, well it's just 1 button
No, it is 2.
Edit / Save
Yes :p - but in userland - it's 1 button :P
RobertPlummer, But you'd go with 2 buttons that is hidden/shown ?
Well, if it is easy enough to just change the button's value, then sure go with 1, but if you go with 2, then you have more options,  and it is more easily understood when you come back to it later.
For instance, they prbably are going to want a cancel button, and perhaps a new button.
RobertPlummer, the value I allready changed it's more the event handler switchout that could end up being overly complicated
no new button
this is my way of forcing 1 item pr. category in a tracker
Just suggestions, I'm sure this use case is a bit different since it is trackers.
Trackers are.... their own use case :P
Hahaha :P
Merbster: We are preparing to integrate Doctrine 2 after 9 is released, I'm very excited about that.
RobertPlummer, I don't know what Doctrine 2 is. 
I'm hoping that similar functionality with trackers can be obtained with doctrine, I think it'll be a really interesting new possibility for a real ORM.
Merbster: It is an ORM, object building that is done in php that is automatically generated in mysql.
Merbster: Put it simply, rather than create an "app", then create the same tables for that app's storage and then al the linkage to manage them to work together, you do it in 1 place, php.
http://www.doctrine-project.org/projects/orm/1.2/docs/manual/introduction/en#introduction
Ahh.... ORM... :-)
RobertPlummer, seems cool - but it would be even cooler if one was able to use doctrine to hook up to say, mysql, mssql and pgsql (also oracle?) so that external data from DBs could be fetched into tiki in a standardized way
I have found that getting external data into tiki - and using it together with tikis data - has been what I have been working around the most
I think they are.
http://www.doctrine-project.org/blog/database-support-doctrine2
Mysql, PgSQL, Oracle, Sqlite.
RobertPlummer, nice :)
changi|phpunit: You there?
Is it a bug or a feature that, if display in colorbox is set for several links in a wiki page, the user gets nav arrows in each box for the other boxes?
I think it could be a bug, if there is no content or semantic relationship between the links.
otoh, it's handy if the links are related.
Anybody know what reportsLib does?
Looks like it is for mail, not sure why it would be called reportslib.
I need to create a new entity that is based around the same name, I'd like to merge them but don't know if I can/
If a link is like "see the cute animals" but elsewhere on the page you have a link to a horror movie, and both have "|box" parameters, "cute animals" viewers end up seeing the horror image too, if they click the box nav arrow.
So definitely a bug.
It's be great if there was a way to set your preference, like every box meant to have nav in common could have a "box1" parameter, and "box" or "box2" boxes wouldn't be included.
polom
chibaguy: i always thought that was a feature.
oeversetten: polom
allowed you to scroll through all [box] images. similar to a slideshow
ricks99, indeed, unless you happen to have images or links on, say, a portal page that aren't related.
does the svn up module actually do something or do I miss something?
chibaguy: true
usually it's nice, but not always
hmm, colorbox popups don't work from side modules still? I thought that was changed.
The box pops up, but stays at its default size and the loading anim goes on forever.
(branch 8x)
pm polom
hi jonny. Do you know about colorbox not working from links in side columns? I think we talked about this once long ago.
The box pops up, but doesn't load content.
hmmm, don't remember that - do you have an example?
not at the moment, I'm just testing so far.
do you mean links in a custom module?
it's probably not a hard fix
well, this is external links in a wiki page being displayed with the menupage module.
polom nkoth|nelson, RobertPlummer and all
jonnyb: polom
polom nkoth|nelson
polom
nkoth|nelson: Putting together foundation for reports builder.
is it possbile to have two "Items List" fields in a tracker and the first one will filter the values of the second one?
The use case is this: We want a list of companies with contact persons related to the correct company.
Now ehn adding a contat person one should be able to select Company and then filter list of persons by company name
ehn = when
So that the user doesn't have to pick from 1000s of contact persons but can gradually filter down the results. I.e. Microsoft->Steve Ballmer
back!
hi Merbster - yes indeed you can
there's a how to somewhere on doc.t.o
jonnyb, I haven't found one. I have found some stuff in hte Field Type that includes values from another tracker
not easy to find indeed - try this: http://doc.tiki.org/Items+List+and+Item+Link+Tracker+Fields
jonnyb, are you being sarcastic or was it actually hard to find? :P
ah I found that page
no really - i just knew there was a list of tracker field types somewhere, but it's not linked to very clearly (maybe an alias or two might help)
jonnyb, Well I allready had found that link but thanks anyways :)
is ItemLink what you need? (sounds right)
by the way, in 8 you can add new items directly from that drop-down
jonnyb, I'd like to be able to "link a contactperson" to a any given tracker item (ofcourse the tracker needs the field)
But instead of having the user pick between 1000s of contact persons
I'd like to be able to filter the select list of contact person, but selecting company name first
yup, that's the one - the example there i think is company and product instead of person
Added some aliasses - http://doc.tiki.org/TrackerFields now links there
jonnyb, Cool :)
if you see a better spot to have a link to it in the tracker intro then do please add one :)
jonnyb, I am improving docs as I go through them. - but I am a bit busy now . the last tracker page I made took me 3 days.
thanks, much appreciated by all
so glad to help back here when i can (3 days does sounds less than fun!)
brb(t)
the page does following: Limits the tracker to 1 item pr. category, fetches and writes data to a webservice (transparantly; it LOOKS like all other fields on the page)
And also has expanding textareas that expand according to text you type
an "Edit" button that hides and becomes a "save" button instead.
LOADED with JS :P
or should I say jquery
nice
also the save button both saves the tracker and the webservice data.
jonnyb, yes. and it's not even that hackish a solution I use code not (yet?) in tiki and some JQ plugins but that's that - oh yah and I added an extra wiki argument variable
jonnyb, What do you mean? - have you never used them or jsut in regard to tiki?
tiki
jonnyb, I used the webservice plugin to fetch the WS data but I had to write a handler in PHP to get support for input to the webservice
then I do a post with jquery when I want to save the data and hook that to the tracker's save button event handler
bbl
RESTRICT languages: I did restrict languages to German and English and wanted to add French now - I cannot get another language into the switch language menu
any hints?
fabricius: flush caches?
(hi!)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38014 10/branches/8.x/styles/tikinewt.css: [FIX] tikinewt: Simplify tabs rules so border shows consistently (chibaguy: please review if oyu can pls? made them more like fivealive and jqui)
jonnyb: I try now
(thx and hi)
I added a twitter feed widget to my page, then i logged out, now all i get is a blank page....  the source code reads   <div id="twitterFeed" style="display:block;">   and that's it.  what can i do to get back in, and remove it?
tiki 7.2
you added it to a specific wiki page?
ricks99, i added it to the side modules :/
ah. you need to access the DB directy.
okay.
This primer will help: http://bit.ly/q8t9GT
There is some invalid code in your module.
ricks99, thanks.. again. lol
no problem. my pleasure
jonnyb: thx again - clear all caches did it
super
anyone who noticed: File: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_gauge.php
Line: 157
Type: A non well formed numeric value encountered ?
polom
polom chealer
Question: What can cause this error message: "Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/htdocs/XXXXXXXX/Tikiwebsites/80_lastiki_TRUNK_2011-09-22/trunk/lib/init/tra.php on line 57"?
sounds like a bug somewhere in the php (or a tpl)
Ok, I am still on upgrading - fell asleep yesterday night
I check the branched version first
fabricius: something other than an array given to foreach
have to go afk - brb
 New Forum Posts: Log in errors - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42411
tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r38015 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
tikiwiki: [MOD] Changed html class attributes for links to external Wiki pages (use "ext_page" instead of "external")
tikiwiki: Example: Link to a page of the Wiki 'xy': class="wiki ext_page xy"
rehi
back
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38016 10/branches/8.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] tracker export: Always export whole date times (even if prefs.tiki_same_day_time_only), default to exporting all fields and a minor fix to recordsMax label
 New Forum Posts: Survey using a tracker: how to register and invite some 150 organisations to join? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42412
tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r38017 10/branches/proposals/6.x/templates/tiki-calendar_nav.tpl: [bp/r33040][FIX] Partial backport: Calendar today button not working.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38018 10/trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 37987 to 38016
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38019 10/trunk/lib/profilelib/ (installlib.php profilelib.php): [FIX] profiles: Warnings - Remove uninitialised $implodeArray Tiki_Profile_ValueMapConverter param but use it in constructor, and initialise an array in getObjects() before use.
I was changing how the wiki home page looks as the admin. After saveing changes I logged back in and recieved this message-- Fatal error: Maximum function nesting level of '100' reached, aborting! in C:\EasyPHP\www\tiki\lib\core\TikiDb.php on line 162
Shaun_: are you the one who reported this problem yesterday?
hi Shaun_ - i've seen that occasionally but can't remember where - do you have plugins on the page? (if so which?)
hi chealer 
hi jonnyb
Its all default. I didnt specifically add any plug-ins to the page.
Yes, I did report this yesterday.
hmmm - how about modules? (does it happen on all pages?)
let me be clear. the admin user gets this error as soon as i log in. the main log in page seems to be fine. the one other users that i added through ldap just loads a blank page. i dont get any error messages or anything. i dont know how many other pages this happens to, cuz im blocked.
have you set it to show errors? (in admin/general if you can get there)
it often solves blank page issues
Is there a physical place the logs are stored, since I cannot get to the admin pannel from loggin in?
jonnyb I believe I did set it to show errors. I used it to troubleshoot ldap. Unless your are speaking about something different.
logs should be in the database - try tiki_logs or tiki_actionlogs
sounds like ldap may be the problem (sorry, never used it)
error reporting would be in tiki_preferences (name=error_reporting_level)
tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38020 10/branches/8.x/lib/perspective/ (binderlib.php index.php): [FIX] now with less E_NOTICES
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38021 10/branches/8.x/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl: [FIX] tracker files: Don't bind drag & drop code (and hide hint) if browser doesn't support FileReader
Im sorry jonnyb. Im not sure whaty you want me to do. I did find "tiki_actionlogs"
i thought you asked about logs - did you mean something else?
maybe php error log . depending on servre setup it could be in the apache error_log. search /google that
;) i was wondering if there was another place that it recorded logs to. instead of running a script to display the logs.
RobertPlummer: i'm here
hi tiki's
changi|release: polom
what a good night to make a beta1
changi|release: What is reportlib?
RobertPlummer: don't know, why ?
there used to be a bug where it woul dwhite screen if the error message coming back form ldap was too long to be stored
It had your name on it, "// $Id: reportslib.php 37840 2011-10-01 10:23:51Z changi67 $"
Nobody else seems to know what it does.
(in the tiki logs, not php log). I think it is fixed but U an bit too sure
Looks like it is just for mail, not sure why it is named "reportslib
" when it really has nothing to do with reports.
Yes i was the last to edit it, to fix some code styling, but nothing more
I take it back, it does have something to do with reports, but seems miss-named.
RObertPlummer I think a report is a type of aggregated watch
it is a feature 
changi|release: ok
RobertPlummer, when a user says they want to receive a report instead (or in addition) to immeduate watch emails, it's a report
I'm working on a new feature that allows you to report from a class/definition things like trackers or logs that will be viewable in charts and spreadsheets, wanted to make sure I either created a new feature or extended a current one.
Ended up creating a feature that I will be commiting as soon as it becomes something of note called "report builder"
Perhaps I should use a different name?
What do you think nkoth|nelson?
perhaps a different name, yes. I had forgettin about that watch reports feature
which is a terrible name I think
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38022 10/branches/8.x/lib/perspective/index.php: [user:changi:FIX] SVN Properties + copyright (Devs, be carefull please)
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38023 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_contributionsdashboard.php: [user:changi:FIX] SVN Properties (Devs, be carefull please)
jonnyb: hi, i would like to test the merge script. Which one are you using to bring 8.x to trunk ? is it svnmerge.php ? 
hi changi|release - it's doc/devtools/svnbranchupdate.php
so in trunk you do: php doc/devtools/svnbranchupdate.php branches/8.x
ok
RobertPlummer, maybe you can call your deature some thing like universal eports?
nkoth|nelson: VERY COOL!
I love it!
RobertPlummer: will it be really universal ? 
You give it a definition and an object to build from, and yes.
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38024 10/branches/8.x/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl: [FIX] tracker files: Don't bind drag & drop code if browser doesn't support FileReader (missed a bit)
another possible name is query reports
but I prefer universal, even if it's not universal it is designed to be used universally
query reports could be misinterpreted to mean report of db queries which it is not
and object reports ?
hi oeversetten, FYI, $_SESSION is a superglobal: http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.superglobals.php
jonnyb: first time, first conflict :)
hi changi|release, nkoth|nelson
ha ha - not on templates/trackerinput/files.tpl was it?
chealer, thx, I've just wondered so
no on index.php
the one i wanted to merge :)
i don't know why
a great day for Tiki 8 beta indeed. the temperature already reached 10°! :-)
oh yes, saw that - it's a tree conflict too (they're the worst)
i usually end up doing: svn resolve --accept=working ./
and then check manually it's all ok
chealer: i think we are missing the branche 8 name
or is it called "star required ?"
jonnyb Regarding my issue. should i just delete the tiki directory and unzip a fresh copy there and start from scratch? there seems to be no solution and no way to even find out what happend. this seems to be my only option at this point.
changi|release: yeah... I somehow failed to priorize that issue :-S
Shaun_: it sounds like the issue is in your database, so reinitialising that would be how to start again
we could ask for public creativity on -devel
sorry i can't really help more (enough) - late here and lots to do
(and hope to have something by RC's time)
changi|release: if you have inspiration, be bold!
The sql database?
chealer & changi|release : i was thinking of one from Cancer (crabs have 8 legs)
Shaun_: yes
jonnyb: good idea
Ok, Ill give that a shot.
jonnyb: chealer : decapoda ?
or Tegmen
Tegmen sounds sort of more interesting (any others?)
decapoda sounds more tenish
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38025 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38016 to 38024
are star systems allowed? :-)
Tarf / Asellus Borealis / Acubens 
chealer: what's tenish ? 
changi|release: deca means 10
so we could keep that for Tiki 10
changi|release: Tegmen sounds good
Tegmen is in french, in english it's Tegmine
I see "It has the traditional name Tegmine (Tegmen)"
Tegmine sounds a bit better to me (but then i'm English ;) )
oh, tegmen is also an insect thing, eeww
wp says it means skin (not great)
how about Acubens "the claws"?
"It has the traditional name Tegmine (Tegmen) "the shell (of the crab)""
jonnyb. I am in mysql. i finally am able to see the error messages. before i rebuild the database did you want me to check anything for curiosity's sake?
Tegmine sounds good if it has no problematic other meaning :-)
Acubens seems cool too
don't we have any real astronomy enthusiast? :-)
i like "KwanKei" i like the sound of it
:D
sorry Shaun_ not now - but maybe do an export of it (if not too late)
also an option:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beehive_Cluster (Messier 44), an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_cluster also called the Beehive Cluster or the Gate of Men
why do you need astronomy enthusiasts?
I agree Kwan Kei sounds good, but it's Lambda Cancri
oeversetten: because the project founder decided releases would have codenames which would be star names. and he's not here anymore :-)
oh
oeversetten: so we always have to find an original star name each release ^_^
http://tiki.org/All+releases
there are not so much antique star names
Bernard1: I don't like "Beehive Cluster" as a name much
how about Theta Cancri? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_Cancri
most of them are unfortunate named to their constellation
ok guys we have a DB issue, when upgrading for 6 to 8
one introduce in commit 35688
so Theta Cancri, Acubens, Tegmine?
you had already pollux, but why not Castor? 
Acubens for me
Acubens me too
Acubens +1
changi|release: just found a bad bug in 8.x for safari/chrome (can't save tracker items ;( )
jonnyb: you have time to fix it, we have db issues, it will take some minutes to fix it
:)
k
oeversetten: seems more prominent, but does that have anything to do with 8?
jonnyb: Ok, I made an export. Would you like me to e-mail it or submit it somewhere?
too late to vote? i like acubens too :-)
hi ricks99 :-)
I think we agree on Acubens then!
Hi guys
changi|release: ooh, complex. does it affect clean installs?
no only upgrade from lts
hi Jyhem
changi|release: I mean does it affect Tiki 6 installs which were not modified (default database content)?
chealer: don't know for now
changi|release: OK, just say if you need help
there are some field missing
chealer: there is a drop column in upgrade, but the field still exist in the tiki.sql
table tiki_tracker_item_field_logs
field : lang
too bad that lph is not here
it's one of his commit
I discovered that separating parameters of the TRACKER plugin with a line feed makes the page display an error in Tiki8
changi|release: I see. well, easy fix, remove the column from tiki.sql, no?
I try to figure out if it's a bug or if putting line feeds between params was wrong 
chealer: yes it should
we can always confirm with him that was the right solution
but his commit message is pretty clear, that must be the fix
chealer: there also should be a correlation to 8? dont get it at the moment
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38026 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki.sql: [FIX] Remove unused column
oeversetten: it's not required, but Jonny was looking for something related to it, as it will be Tiki 8's codename
thanks changi|release
another one
commit 37580
alter did something, but tiki.sql say something else
upgrade from 6 :  `lasturl` text vs fresh install : `lasturl` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
First it is declared as varchar and then as text ? 
which one are we choosing ? 
oh, yeah... gillesm doesn't seem to be responsive, I contacted him on that commit
yes i see your reply
so varchar or text
text is 65535 and varchar is limited to 255
i would say for an URL text would be better
changi|release: oh yeah, I forgot he did 37585. indeed, incoherent :-( TEXT would be safer
chealer: default null ?
changi|release: hum :-/ I guess
tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38027 10/branches/8.x/lang/nds/language.php: [TRA] next low german strings
oeversetten : so bad you left
 New Forum Posts: list of errors... tiki 7.2 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42415
tiki 7.2  - Google Docs not showing up, it's blank.  html page errors are: Refused to display document because display forbidden by X-Frame-Options.   PHP List of errors: http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=42415&forumId=4
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38028 10/branches/8.x/templates/tracker_validator.tpl: [FIX] trackers: Comment out disable submit buttons code as it prevents the save message being sent in webkit browsers (meaning you can't save tracker items) - to be fixed properly after 8.0b1
chealer: still here.
another db issue
on constraint in tiki_calendar_items called fk_calitems_recurrence
changi|release: yes
does not exist anymore in fresh install
but still in exist in upgrade
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38029 10/branches/8.x/installer/schema/ (2 files): [FIX] Db issue incoherence between upgrade and tiki.sql
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38030 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki.sql: [FIX] Db issue incoherence between upgrade and tiki.sql
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38031 10/branches/8.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Preparing 8.0beta
chealer: I am having a problem with the category plugin. I have narrowed doen the problem to wikiplugin_category.php line 250. 	$displayParameters = array_intersect($params, array_flip(array('showTitle', 'categoryshowlink', 'showtype', 'one', 'showlinks', 'showname', 'showdescription')));
 ... yields an empty array....and I cannot see why.
chealer: I bellieve you made this change. Maybe you have a chance to have a quick look at it. (I am checking Tiki 8.x branch)
chealer: The problem is that all settings are ignored, i.e. only defaults are used
arildb: i need some help about your modification in tiki.sql
changi|release: oh yeah, I noticed that tiki_areas issue too. was the index already defined in tiki.sql?
changi|release: ok. How can I assist?
arildb: you've removed one constraint called fk_calitems_recurrence, but you don't create any installer/schema script to modify existing db 
chealer: it's fixed
we only have the fk constraints issue now
changi|release: but the problem didn't affect fresh installs?
and i'm sure arildb will be the one
changi|release: Yes, the FK definition was removed. MyISAM ignores FK definitions, and the removal was needed for the InnoDB installation
arildb: could you create an installer/script to fix that ?
s/could/can
arildb: hum, I don't remember touching this, but could be. it looks suspicious.
changi|release: existing databases...right. Yes, I can make a removal script, but I don't quite see how it is a problem
arildb: when you upgrade from Tiki6 or Tiki7 you have a database diff between fresh install
chealer: The category problem...I don't understand how this fails.
arildb: checking
arildb: and i can't release if we have a difference between fresh and upgrade database
arildb: it's declared as :   KEY `fk_calitems_recurrence` (`recurrenceId`),   
changi|release: The change was done in connection with InnoDB, and that should only affect 8.x
arildb: that's the point, when you upgrade your tiki website from Tiki6 to Tiki8, this constraints still persist
changi|release: I will check it
arildb: there's a convention when you do a change to database structure, you need to change existing installs too, even if the change is just cleanup and unnecessary. the problem is we use a tool which checks that upgrades and new installs have the same database structure, to detect forgotten upgrade scripts and errors of the kind. so if we don't deal with existing installs, our detection tool is not happy.
arildb: does that be fine : alter table `tiki_calendar_items` drop key `fk_calitems_recurrence`;
it's working for me
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38032 10/branches/8.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Newsletter subscription: Broken link when Tiki is not at the root of its domain (r30585 regression)
should i commit it, or are you doing it arildb 
changi|release: looks OK
changi|release: So, please go ahead and commit
arildb: ok
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38033 10/branches/8.x/installer/schema/20111006_drop_useless_key_tiki.sql: [FIX] Missing key drop
changi|release: thanks
arildb: I can't see what's wrong, will have to debug
chealer: I have run it through the debugger, and I still cannot see what's wrong, but somehow the resulting array is empty, causing only defaults to be used. I trust your PHP skills more than mine though
changi|release: shouldn't the versions strings be the same? 8.0beta vs 8.0 Beta
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38034 10/branches/8.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] no space
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38035 10/branches/8.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 8.0beta
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38036 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_category.php: [FIX] CATEGORY plugin: parameters ignored. r37295 regression, oops. Thanks Arild Berg
arildb: let me know if r38036 doesn't fix
chealer: testing now
changi|release: OK, the tiki_areas key was fine in tiki_areas. thank you
s/in tiki_areas/in tiki.sql/
thanks (re 38034)
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38038 10/trunk/ (10 files in 8 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38024 to 38033
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38037 10/branches/8.x/lang/ (49 files in 49 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 8.0beta
polom
sylvieg: wanna talk about newsletter?
hello fabricius
for ricks : Changelog updated with 985 new commits (revision 38036 to 36750), excluding duplicates, merges and release-related commits.
how r u sylvieg ?
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38039 10/branches/8.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 8.0beta
very good thx and you?
for ricks : Copyrights updated: +4 contributor(s), +2162 commit(s)
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38040 10/branches/8.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 8.0beta
chealer: The category plugin looks fine again. Thanks
arildb: thanks. sorry
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38041 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki-secdb_8.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 8.0beta
changi|release: something's wrong with r38037, that shouldn't be so big
changi|release: could the release tools need adaptation to the new get_strings?
chealer: don't know
hum, should we revert?
chealer: i'll try to relaunch a get_string on my local to see if we have a diff
it could break some stuff, and get_strings was run recently anyway
chealer: yes we should
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37909/branches/8.x/lang
chealer: can you do it ?
changi|release: I'll tell Rodrigo about the problem then revert if you're not there already
should i create the package anyway ? 
changi|release: unless you prefer to mail Rodrigo as you know the script better?
ok i revert it and you mail rodrigo.
ok ?
OK
done
revert under process
takes time
yeah, massive
tikiwiki: 03arildb * r38042 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki_convert_myisam_to_innodb.sql: [FIX] Add tiki_areas to the myisam to innodb conversion script
chealer: should be test innodb convertion too ?
s/be/we/
clear cache
oops
changi|release: I don't really care, it's marked as experimental. certainly not a blocker for the beta
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38043 10/branches/8.x/lang/ (49 files in 49 dirs): [ROLLBACK] Suspicious commit
chealer: for the record : svn merge -c -$REV$ . && svn commit -m "[ROLLBACK] $REV$"
changi|release: right... http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn-book.html#svn.branchmerge.basicmerging.undo
changi|release: I hope that release will come out pretty soon at this point ;-)
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38044 10/branches/8.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 8.0beta
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38045 10/branches/8.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 8.0beta
in 12 minutes
au moins ce sera sous une bonne étole :-)
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38046 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki-secdb_8.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 8.0beta
on peut dire ca
mais meme avec huit pattes on a des plantages :)
hahaha :-)
good thing we're increasing that version number faster now :-)
yes, i hope that tiki8 will be just cool 
tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38047 10/tags/8.0beta/: [REL] Tagging release
oh a new tag
3 hours for a beta, is pretty good
for 7 i spend a week for alpha
because of db differences
now i'm well prepared for that sort of issues
that will save us a lot of trouble for 8.0
i hope
changi|release: because of new tools to analyze DB differences?
yay, go changi|release go! (sorry i'm not helping much again, have meeting early tomorrow and promised nice tracker things...)
chealer: vimdiff is your friend
chealer: and i have a workspace prepared with all lts and 7 checkout
so it easy to install one and upgrade it
then do a little mysqldump of the schema
and then compare it to a fresh install
OK. thanks very much changi|release
s/it easy/it's easy
chealer: you're welcome, i should write a script on the community server to alert the dev list every time we have a difference in database schema
should not be hard
changi|release: good idea, would be pretty nice
chealer: on my todo list :)
brb
hm no
bbl
cheers
chealer: upload in progress on sf.net
have fun
and mail the dev list for testing
another time, thank you for the coordination
s/another time / once again/
OK changi|ffa, thanks. good night
chealer: upload => done
good. downloaded the bz2
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38048 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] tracker Files: Add initial handling for images in file galleries. Uses {img} plugin to format the images (and removes trackeroutput/files.tpl)
tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38049 10/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38033 to 38046
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38050 10/trunk/ (lang/fr/language.php templates/tiki-install.tpl): Instalelr: synchronize string warning about web server configuration file with new version from SEFURL panel
Hi, the write-up on http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki8 fails to mention improvements in IIS support (No more blocked files without URL Rewrite module + SEFURL should now work). May be important to Windows users
tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38051 10/trunk/installer/tiki-installer.php: Installer: copy _htaccess rather than rename, and even better, symlink
hi arildb. does SEFURL really not work with IIS on Tiki 7?
There is also better support for international sites (permission + link corruption fixes). Maybe that should be added.
chealer: I don't think so. We did some required changes to the web.config file in 8.x
chealer: My tests on 8.x have been successful
arildb: hum, there's http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37642/trunk/web_config but I think it actually worked before
(r37642 doesn't completely fix web_config)
chealer: that change was removed
looking at http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/log/trunk/web_config
The 7.x version is missing the relaxation of "double encoding" (I believe it was)
arildb: yeah. but I don't see anything that would have "fixed" web_config, I think it worked with Tiki 7
chealer: <requestFiltering allowDoubleEscaping="True"/> is required
arildb: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37633/trunk/web_config ?
chealer: that's the one
chealer: Your change to get rid of the URL Rewrite module for the standard installation is an important chage for IIS users, and I believe it should be mentioned in the release doc
for + signs, I guess, otherwise I'm surprised refusing double escaping would break it that badly
arildb: but in anyway, in general, I agree, it's a wiki so feel free to add it (just saw that document a few hours ago and realized we actually had a nice release coming :-) )
chealer: IIS refused to acccept + signs in my IIS 78 installation without the rule relaxation
arildb: OK, that I can believe
chealer: yes, I agree Tiki8 brings on great improvements
arildb: you just made me think of adding a section on German (saying to avoid conflicts)
chealer: German? not sure what you mean
arildb: the German translation was completed
chealer: right. Yes, important for German users....also the low-german translation is on its way
chealer: Maybe that all fits into a section on improved international support
chealer: There is also the (experimental) introduction of InnoDB. 
chealer: "9. German translation complete" already there
but no mention of the low-german translation
chealer: I tried to edit, but got the message that you are already on it...so, I am posting my comments here instead
arildb: yeah, I just added section 9
arildb: I'm done with my edit, you shouldn't get the message anymore. if you do, ignore the warning
arildb: I'm less sure about a section on improved translations in general. main reason is even though several translations progressed, many regressed too (presumably most).
with all the work there's been on French, it's still only at 87%
arildb: as for InnoDB, I thought about it, but I didn't review it nor try it yet, so I'm not comfortable adding it. if you think it's stable enough, it could be mentioned with the mention that it's experimental.
plus, I don't remember well what are the advantages at this stage
chealer: ok
I suppose I should switch my local trunk to InnoDB when I find the time to try it
chealer: I just added 3 sections 28-30
chealer: I am pretty confident that the InnoDB implementation is stable. There is really not much to it. ...however, I have been wrong before 
chealer: If you want to switch to InnoDB, there is a conversion script in /db