#tikiwiki 2011-10-06,Thu

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SJ-Jay	polom tikiverse! :) where can i find documentation for date_format?	[06:50]
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Bernard1	polom	[06:59]
SJ-Jay	polom Bernard1 Bernard1, do you know how i can change the date_format for my pretty tracker?	[06:59]
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chealer	SJ-Jay: date_format is a PHP function, if that's what you're referring to: http://ca2.php.net/manual/en/function.date-format.php	[07:18]
Bernard1	… i believe that can be done through TW date format system (admin => Date&Time)	[07:19]
SJ-Jay	Hey chealer! yeah merbster told me so problem solved! :)	[07:19]
Bernard1	hi chealer in general => Date & Time we can change "Long date format" and "Short date format" used in the tracker. That won't be reflected in pretty tracker ?	[07:19]
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chealer	hi Bernard1	[07:23]
fabricius	polom	[07:29]
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Bernard1	hi Torsten	[07:48]
Merbster	late polom to you all :)	[07:51]
coaboa\|afk	later polom to all of you too ;-)	[07:57]
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Merbster	hehehe :P fabricius, We have disabled perspective in our Wiki because most of the plugins and modules we use, doesn't automatically adhere to it.	[07:58]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jyhem * r38013 10/branches/6.x/lang/fr/language.php: [FIX] Obvious typo	[08:06]
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coaboa	Merbter can you share a list of "perspective resistent" plugins/modules?	[08:20]
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HEDON	Is anyone else receiving a "system error" message when loading a tiki wiki website? Our website: www.hedon.info has been down for a day now	[08:25]
Merbster	HEDON, yes there is an error coaboa, well most plugins that filter data needs to be fed categories that are bound to the current perspective. coaboa, trackerlist plugin, list plugin	[08:38]
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Merbster	coaboa, also, trackers doesn't automatically categorize according to perspective, you need to have workarounds for that - where it's just easier to create an argument variable that exposes the $objectCategoryIds variable and then categorize the page where you want it coaboa, then you can auto-categorize tracker items by using the parameters autosavefields="category field id goes here" autosavevalues="{{objectCategoryIds}}" but still no use of the perspective.	[08:40]
coaboa	I see, thx for the info. have to pass that to one of our devs.	[08:42]
Merbster	coaboa, it will take _alot_ of work to make tiki automatically sort and categorize according to perspective coaboa, I have trhought about commiting the argumentvariables I made though	[08:42]
HEDON	Thank you Merbster	[08:43]
Merbster	HEDON, check your log. it is possible to "lock yourself out" of tiki if you have made a custom module or a pretty tracker template that does inappropriate stuff HEDON, you could try going directly to tiki-login.php	[08:44]
HEDON	I'll try that now, thank you.	[08:48]
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Merbster	in js/jquery if I assing an eventhandler to a button and then copy the button element 3 different places to the page, will the copied buttons still have the eventhandlers attached?	[09:02]
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fabricius	Merbster: what do you mean? [09:59] <Merbster> fabricius, We have disabled perspective in our Wiki because most of the plugins and modules we use, doesn't automatically adhere to it.	[09:24]
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chibaguy	polom	[09:25]
fabricius	polom chibaguy	[09:25]
chibaguy	hi fabricius	[09:26]
coaboa	hello chibaguy & fabricius	[09:26]
chibaguy	In a branch 8 site, I get "Assign %0 to groups" on the Admin Users page. ...where the user's name should appear, in the mouseover tooltip. hi coaboa seems like I always log on here with a problem to report ;-).	[09:26]
coaboa	thats good, know your enemy, the bug!	[09:28]
SJ-Jay	guys is it possible to show results from webservice plugin in a menu?	[09:32]
chibaguy	Sorry, SJ-Jay, I have 0% experience with webservice plugin. I imagine you need LPH, maybe. Or Jonny.	[09:33]
SJ-Jay	well the webservice part itsn't the problem.. it's the menu part :) i have a webservice that creates links to pages in tiki.. i want this list of links to show in a menu i know i can create a module and assign it, but i'm afraid that it will make the list very long i would prefer to have a sections level 0 called links and then all my webservice links as choices	[09:34]
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SJ-Jay	hey jonnyb	[09:42]
jonnyb	polom all	[09:43]
SJ-Jay	polom :) jonnyb have u ever created a "real" dynamic menu? you* dynamic content based on ie. webservice results	[09:43]
jonnyb	nope, sounds fun	[09:44]
SJ-Jay	yeah it would be cool.. just don't know if it is possible :)	[09:44]
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coaboa	chibaguy: I have a problem with positioning of the logo box. on ubuntu ff the position is ok but on windows ff,chrome & ie9its 25px to close to the left border. http://d-trunk.poiesis.com/classic ubuntu chrome is also ok so it looks like os dependent? I have no glue what to change as if I change it to match windows/mac it screws unix and vice a versa definetelly os: mac is also far to close to the left layout-border	[10:17]
chibaguy	coaboa, on windows FF, the logo seems to be right at the left margin (no space). In Opera, it's ok (there is space between left margin and logo). coaboa, what if, for #top_modules .box-logo, you use margin-left: 20px instead of padding-left ?	[10:28]
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chibaguy	padding seems to be a little more subject to interpretation or something, than margin.	[10:32]
coaboa	thx will try that. BTW how do you like the look?	[10:37]
chibaguy	I was just going to say I think the look is great. Nice job. :-) About the .box-logo, I'm not sure why there are both float:left and position:relative properties. Either float or absolute/relative positioning should be used. Maybe this is a cause of the margin problem. (poiesis.css line 1290)	[10:39]
coaboa	ok, maybe played a little to much arround. thx. have to add some category descriptions and then I'll try to fix that.	[10:42]
Merbster	fabricius, what I mean is, that since tracker saving, and tracker showing doesn't automatically adhere to the current perspective, you need to feed them category Ids to filter the data according to the current perspective. fabricius, but since the perspective is found out by the category of the page you are on, you might as well supply the plugin with the category ID directly. fabricius, we ended up doing this, and suddenly SJ-Jay goes - "We don't need perspectivehack anymore - all filtering is done in the plugins" Does anyone know if changing the background color of a several textareas at once would give trouble in tiki?	[10:45]
chibaguy	coaboa, the design of the wiki page, category path, last modification, etc. is very nice. :-) Did you have to modify .tpls to get that, or was it possible with just CSS? (when you have time to answer)	[10:47]
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coaboa	cool that you like it. after bookfair we may build a tiki theme on that. As it uses catagory ID i build some if things for a html head file and added some divs to tiki.tpl (which get swithced by the html head code.	[10:50]
chibaguy	How about the wiki page area (#tiki-center)? only CSS styling?	[10:52]
fabricius	Merbster: in the plugins or in the modules?	[10:54]
coaboa	no thats done by the above mentioned combination of if catagID this display #div else. same way I hide the extra_center_column when editing a page.	[10:55]
chibaguy	nice	[10:55]
Merbster	fabricius, there are no consistensy in this, some modules (like a list of new objects in a given category) is adhering to the perspective, but for example saving tracker items doesn't look at perspective, without using a workaround.	[10:56]
coaboa	Merbster: tiki is like life, somewhat chaotic but a powerful beauty ;-)	[10:58]
Merbster	coaboa, I know - :P	[10:58]
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jonnyb	bbl	[11:13]
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ricks99	polom y'all	[11:18]
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adelfmar	hello guys does anyone know if the documentation section has actually a problem with uploading photos? cause am trying to enrich the documentation and need to add images apart from text	[11:23]
chibaguy	adelfmar: I haven't tried to upload an image to the doc site lately; maybe there is a problem now. ricks99, any idea?	[11:26]
ricks99	haven't seen any issues. are you getting an error?	[11:27]
fabricius	Merbster: "but for example saving tracker items doesn't look at perspective, without using a workaround." => what happens then, if you save a tracker item? Merbster: and here: ".. all filtering is done in the plugins" which plugins do you mean - or did you mean modules?	[11:32]
Merbster	fabricius, I mean both plugins and modules. fabricius, if you have a tracker on a page - that page is categorized to have a perspective. - you'd expect the tracker to save the items created in that perspective, to be categorized so they are also affected by the perspective - but it doesn't fabricius, you need to set it up with autosavevalues and autosavefields - and in my case I only got it working by adding $objectCategoryIds to an argumentvariable that can be used in tikepages - like {{user}} and {{page}} just with category Id instead fabricius, or by having a category field that is hidden in a div (last one only works in tiki 8 thouh)	[11:39]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Wiki search by alias names. - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42408	[12:01]
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Merbster	If one of you guys had to do some functionality where an "Edit" button becomes a "Save" button after it is clicked, would you hide/show two different buttons or re-assign event handlers to the button?	[12:20]
RobertPlummer	Merbster, I just use jQuery.	[12:21]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, ofcourse	[12:21]
RobertPlummer	Have different menus for different states.	[12:21]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, well it's just 1 button	[12:21]
RobertPlummer	No, it is 2. Edit / Save	[12:21]
Merbster	Yes :p - but in userland - it's 1 button :P RobertPlummer, But you'd go with 2 buttons that is hidden/shown ?	[12:21]
RobertPlummer	Well, if it is easy enough to just change the button's value, then sure go with 1, but if you go with 2, then you have more options, and it is more easily understood when you come back to it later. For instance, they prbably are going to want a cancel button, and perhaps a new button.	[12:23]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, the value I allready changed it's more the event handler switchout that could end up being overly complicated no new button this is my way of forcing 1 item pr. category in a tracker	[12:23]
RobertPlummer	Just suggestions, I'm sure this use case is a bit different since it is trackers. Trackers are.... their own use case :P	[12:24]
Merbster	Hahaha :P	[12:24]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: We are preparing to integrate Doctrine 2 after 9 is released, I'm very excited about that.	[12:25]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I don't know what Doctrine 2 is.	[12:26]
RobertPlummer	I'm hoping that similar functionality with trackers can be obtained with doctrine, I think it'll be a really interesting new possibility for a real ORM. Merbster: It is an ORM, object building that is done in php that is automatically generated in mysql. Merbster: Put it simply, rather than create an "app", then create the same tables for that app's storage and then al the linkage to manage them to work together, you do it in 1 place, php. http://www.doctrine-project.org/projects/orm/1.2/docs/manual/introduction/en#introduction	[12:26]
ricks99	Ahh.... ORM... :-)	[12:30]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, seems cool - but it would be even cooler if one was able to use doctrine to hook up to say, mysql, mssql and pgsql (also oracle?) so that external data from DBs could be fetched into tiki in a standardized way	[12:30]
ricks99	ricks99 loves persistence	[12:30]
Merbster	I have found that getting external data into tiki - and using it together with tikis data - has been what I have been working around the most	[12:31]
RobertPlummer	I think they are. http://www.doctrine-project.org/blog/database-support-doctrine2 Mysql, PgSQL, Oracle, Sqlite.	[12:31]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, nice :)	[12:38]
RobertPlummer	changi\|phpunit: You there?	[12:38]
chibaguy	Is it a bug or a feature that, if display in colorbox is set for several links in a wiki page, the user gets nav arrows in each box for the other boxes? I think it could be a bug, if there is no content or semantic relationship between the links. otoh, it's handy if the links are related.	[12:39]
RobertPlummer	Anybody know what reportsLib does? Looks like it is for mail, not sure why it would be called reportslib. I need to create a new entity that is based around the same name, I'd like to merge them but don't know if I can/	[12:40]
chibaguy	If a link is like "see the cute animals" but elsewhere on the page you have a link to a horror movie, and both have "\|box" parameters, "cute animals" viewers end up seeing the horror image too, if they click the box nav arrow. So definitely a bug.	[12:41]
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chibaguy	It's be great if there was a way to set your preference, like every box meant to have nav in common could have a "box1" parameter, and "box" or "box2" boxes wouldn't be included.	[12:43]
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oeversetten	polom	[12:44]
ricks99	chibaguy: i always thought that was a feature.	[12:44]
RobertPlummer	oeversetten: polom	[12:44]
ricks99	allowed you to scroll through all [box] images. similar to a slideshow	[12:44]
chibaguy	ricks99, indeed, unless you happen to have images or links on, say, a portal page that aren't related.	[12:44]
oeversetten	does the svn up module actually do something or do I miss something?	[12:44]
ricks99	chibaguy: true	[12:45]
chibaguy	usually it's nice, but not always hmm, colorbox popups don't work from side modules still? I thought that was changed. The box pops up, but stays at its default size and the loading anim goes on forever.	[12:47]
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chibaguy	(branch 8x)	[12:53]
jonnyb	pm polom	[12:53]
chibaguy	hi jonny. Do you know about colorbox not working from links in side columns? I think we talked about this once long ago. The box pops up, but doesn't load content.	[12:54]
jonnyb	hmmm, don't remember that - do you have an example?	[12:56]
chibaguy	not at the moment, I'm just testing so far.	[12:58]
jonnyb	do you mean links in a custom module? it's probably not a hard fix	[12:59]
chibaguy	well, this is external links in a wiki page being displayed with the menupage module.	[13:00]
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jonnyb	polom nkoth\|nelson, RobertPlummer and all	[13:13]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: polom polom nkoth\|nelson	[13:13]
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nkoth\|nelson	polom	[13:15]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: Putting together foundation for reports builder.	[13:18]
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Merbster	is it possbile to have two "Items List" fields in a tracker and the first one will filter the values of the second one? The use case is this: We want a list of companies with contact persons related to the correct company. Now ehn adding a contat person one should be able to select Company and then filter list of persons by company name ehn = when So that the user doesn't have to pick from 1000s of contact persons but can gradually filter down the results. I.e. Microsoft->Steve Ballmer	[13:28]
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RobertPlummer	back!	[13:33]
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jonnyb	hi Merbster - yes indeed you can there's a how to somewhere on doc.t.o	[13:47]
Merbster	jonnyb, I haven't found one. I have found some stuff in hte Field Type that includes values from another tracker	[13:48]
jonnyb	not easy to find indeed - try this: http://doc.tiki.org/Items+List+and+Item+Link+Tracker+Fields	[13:50]
Merbster	jonnyb, are you being sarcastic or was it actually hard to find? :P ah I found that page	[13:50]
jonnyb	no really - i just knew there was a list of tracker field types somewhere, but it's not linked to very clearly (maybe an alias or two might help)	[13:51]
Merbster	jonnyb, Well I allready had found that link but thanks anyways :)	[13:52]
jonnyb	is ItemLink what you need? (sounds right) by the way, in 8 you can add new items directly from that drop-down	[13:52]
Merbster	jonnyb, I'd like to be able to "link a contactperson" to a any given tracker item (ofcourse the tracker needs the field) But instead of having the user pick between 1000s of contact persons I'd like to be able to filter the select list of contact person, but selecting company name first	[13:53]
jonnyb	yup, that's the one - the example there i think is company and product instead of person Added some aliasses - http://doc.tiki.org/TrackerFields now links there	[13:54]
Merbster	jonnyb, Cool :)	[13:55]
jonnyb	if you see a better spot to have a link to it in the tracker intro then do please add one :)	[13:55]
Merbster	jonnyb, I am improving docs as I go through them. - but I am a bit busy now . the last tracker page I made took me 3 days.	[13:56]
jonnyb	thanks, much appreciated by all so glad to help back here when i can (3 days does sounds less than fun!) brb(t)	[13:56]
Merbster	the page does following: Limits the tracker to 1 item pr. category, fetches and writes data to a webservice (transparantly; it LOOKS like all other fields on the page) And also has expanding textareas that expand according to text you type an "Edit" button that hides and becomes a "save" button instead. LOADED with JS :P or should I say jquery	[13:57]
jonnyb	nice	[14:01]
Merbster	also the save button both saves the tracker and the webservice data.	[14:01]
jonnyb	jonnyb thinks he really should get more familiar with webservices	[14:01]
Merbster	jonnyb, yes. and it's not even that hackish a solution I use code not (yet?) in tiki and some JQ plugins but that's that - oh yah and I added an extra wiki argument variable	[14:01]
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Merbster	jonnyb, What do you mean? - have you never used them or jsut in regard to tiki?	[14:07]
jonnyb	tiki	[14:08]
Merbster	jonnyb, I used the webservice plugin to fetch the WS data but I had to write a handler in PHP to get support for input to the webservice then I do a post with jquery when I want to save the data and hook that to the tracker's save button event handler bbl	[14:09]
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fabricius	fabricius needs to get familiar with Webservices at all	[14:18]
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fabricius	RESTRICT languages: I did restrict languages to German and English and wanted to add French now - I cannot get another language into the switch language menu any hints?	[14:34]
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jonnyb	fabricius: flush caches? (hi!)	[14:43]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38014 10/branches/8.x/styles/tikinewt.css: [FIX] tikinewt: Simplify tabs rules so border shows consistently (chibaguy: please review if oyu can pls? made them more like fivealive and jqui)	[14:47]
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fabricius	jonnyb: I try now (thx and hi)	[14:50]
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shana_	I added a twitter feed widget to my page, then i logged out, now all i get is a blank page.... the source code reads <div id="twitterFeed" style="display:block;"> and that's it. what can i do to get back in, and remove it? tiki 7.2	[14:56]
ricks99	you added it to a specific wiki page?	[14:57]
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shana_	ricks99, i added it to the side modules :/	[14:58]
ricks99	ah. you need to access the DB directy.	[14:59]
shana_	okay.	[14:59]
ricks99	This primer will help: http://bit.ly/q8t9GT	[14:59]
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ricks99	There is some invalid code in your module.	[14:59]
shana_	ricks99, thanks.. again. lol	[15:00]
ricks99	no problem. my pleasure	[15:00]
fabricius	jonnyb: thx again - clear all caches did it	[15:00]
jonnyb	super	[15:01]
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oeversetten	anyone who noticed: File: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_gauge.php Line: 157 Type: A non well formed numeric value encountered ?	[15:21]
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chealer	polom	[15:30]
fabricius	polom chealer Question: What can cause this error message: "Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/htdocs/XXXXXXXX/Tikiwebsites/80_lastiki_TRUNK_2011-09-22/trunk/lib/init/tra.php on line 57"?	[15:37]
jonnyb	sounds like a bug somewhere in the php (or a tpl)	[15:39]
fabricius	Ok, I am still on upgrading - fell asleep yesterday night I check the branched version first	[15:41]
chealer	fabricius: something other than an array given to foreach	[15:42]
fabricius	have to go afk - brb	[15:43]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Log in errors - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42411	[15:57]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03mlustenberg * r38015 10/trunk/lib/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [MOD] Changed html class attributes for links to external Wiki pages (use "ext_page" instead of "external") tikiwiki: Example: Link to a page of the Wiki 'xy': class="wiki ext_page xy"	[16:06]
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fabricius	rehi back	[16:16]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38016 10/branches/8.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] tracker export: Always export whole date times (even if prefs.tiki_same_day_time_only), default to exporting all fields and a minor fix to recordsMax label	[16:42]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r38017 10/branches/proposals/6.x/templates/tiki-calendar_nav.tpl: [bp/r33040][FIX] Partial backport: Calendar today button not working. tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38018 10/trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 37987 to 38016	[17:02]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38019 10/trunk/lib/profilelib/ (installlib.php profilelib.php): [FIX] profiles: Warnings - Remove uninitialised $implodeArray Tiki_Profile_ValueMapConverter param but use it in constructor, and initialise an array in getObjects() before use.	[17:25]
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Shaun_	I was changing how the wiki home page looks as the admin. After saveing changes I logged back in and recieved this message-- Fatal error: Maximum function nesting level of '100' reached, aborting! in C:EasyPHPwwwtikilibcoreTikiDb.php on line 162	[17:27]
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chealer	Shaun_: are you the one who reported this problem yesterday?	[17:29]
jonnyb	hi Shaun_ - i've seen that occasionally but can't remember where - do you have plugins on the page? (if so which?) hi chealer	[17:29]
chealer	hi jonnyb	[17:30]
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Shaun_	Its all default. I didnt specifically add any plug-ins to the page. Yes, I did report this yesterday.	[17:34]
jonnyb	hmmm - how about modules? (does it happen on all pages?)	[17:35]
Shaun_	let me be clear. the admin user gets this error as soon as i log in. the main log in page seems to be fine. the one other users that i added through ldap just loads a blank page. i dont get any error messages or anything. i dont know how many other pages this happens to, cuz im blocked.	[17:37]
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jonnyb	have you set it to show errors? (in admin/general if you can get there) it often solves blank page issues	[17:44]
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Shaun_	Is there a physical place the logs are stored, since I cannot get to the admin pannel from loggin in? jonnyb I believe I did set it to show errors. I used it to troubleshoot ldap. Unless your are speaking about something different.	[17:54]
jonnyb	logs should be in the database - try tiki_logs or tiki_actionlogs sounds like ldap may be the problem (sorry, never used it) error reporting would be in tiki_preferences (name=error_reporting_level)	[17:59]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38020 10/branches/8.x/lib/perspective/ (binderlib.php index.php): [FIX] now with less E_NOTICES tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38021 10/branches/8.x/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl: [FIX] tracker files: Don't bind drag & drop code (and hide hint) if browser doesn't support FileReader	[18:06]
Shaun_	Im sorry jonnyb. Im not sure whaty you want me to do. I did find "tiki_actionlogs"	[18:11]
jonnyb	i thought you asked about logs - did you mean something else?	[18:12]
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nkoth\|nelson	maybe php error log . depending on servre setup it could be in the apache error_log. search /google that	[18:14]
Shaun_	;) i was wondering if there was another place that it recorded logs to. instead of running a script to display the logs.	[18:14]
changi\|release	RobertPlummer: i'm here hi tiki's	[18:14]
RobertPlummer	changi\|release: polom	[18:15]
changi\|release	what a good night to make a beta1	[18:15]
RobertPlummer	changi\|release: What is reportlib?	[18:15]
changi\|release	RobertPlummer: don't know, why ?	[18:15]
nkoth\|nelson	there used to be a bug where it woul dwhite screen if the error message coming back form ldap was too long to be stored	[18:15]
RobertPlummer	It had your name on it, "// $Id: reportslib.php 37840 2011-10-01 10:23:51Z changi67 $" Nobody else seems to know what it does.	[18:15]
nkoth\|nelson	(in the tiki logs, not php log). I think it is fixed but U an bit too sure	[18:16]
RobertPlummer	Looks like it is just for mail, not sure why it is named "reportslib " when it really has nothing to do with reports.	[18:16]
changi\|release	Yes i was the last to edit it, to fix some code styling, but nothing more	[18:17]
RobertPlummer	I take it back, it does have something to do with reports, but seems miss-named.	[18:17]
nkoth\|nelson	RObertPlummer I think a report is a type of aggregated watch it is a feature	[18:17]
RobertPlummer	changi\|release: ok	[18:17]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer, when a user says they want to receive a report instead (or in addition) to immeduate watch emails, it's a report	[18:18]
RobertPlummer	I'm working on a new feature that allows you to report from a class/definition things like trackers or logs that will be viewable in charts and spreadsheets, wanted to make sure I either created a new feature or extended a current one. Ended up creating a feature that I will be commiting as soon as it becomes something of note called "report builder" Perhaps I should use a different name? What do you think nkoth\|nelson?	[18:18]
nkoth\|nelson	perhaps a different name, yes. I had forgettin about that watch reports feature which is a terrible name I think	[18:20]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38022 10/branches/8.x/lib/perspective/index.php: [user:changi:FIX] SVN Properties + copyright (Devs, be carefull please) tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38023 10/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_contributionsdashboard.php: [user:changi:FIX] SVN Properties (Devs, be carefull please)	[18:20]
changi\|release	jonnyb: hi, i would like to test the merge script. Which one are you using to bring 8.x to trunk ? is it svnmerge.php ?	[18:23]
jonnyb	hi changi\|release - it's doc/devtools/svnbranchupdate.php so in trunk you do: php doc/devtools/svnbranchupdate.php branches/8.x	[18:23]
changi\|release	ok	[18:24]
nkoth\|nelson	RobertPlummer, maybe you can call your deature some thing like universal eports?	[18:25]
RobertPlummer	nkoth\|nelson: VERY COOL! I love it!	[18:25]
changi\|release	RobertPlummer: will it be really universal ?	[18:27]
RobertPlummer	You give it a definition and an object to build from, and yes.	[18:27]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38024 10/branches/8.x/templates/trackerinput/files.tpl: [FIX] tracker files: Don't bind drag & drop code if browser doesn't support FileReader (missed a bit)	[18:28]
nkoth\|nelson	another possible name is query reports but I prefer universal, even if it's not universal it is designed to be used universally query reports could be misinterpreted to mean report of db queries which it is not	[18:29]
changi\|release	and object reports ?	[18:34]
chealer	hi oeversetten, FYI, $_SESSION is a superglobal: http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.superglobals.php	[18:36]
changi\|release	jonnyb: first time, first conflict :)	[18:38]
chealer	hi changi\|release, nkoth\|nelson	[18:39]
jonnyb	ha ha - not on templates/trackerinput/files.tpl was it?	[18:39]
oeversetten	chealer, thx, I've just wondered so	[18:40]
changi\|release	no on index.php the one i wanted to merge :) i don't know why	[18:40]
chealer	a great day for Tiki 8 beta indeed. the temperature already reached 10°! :-)	[18:40]
jonnyb	oh yes, saw that - it's a tree conflict too (they're the worst) i usually end up doing: svn resolve --accept=working ./ and then check manually it's all ok	[18:40]
changi\|release	chealer: i think we are missing the branche 8 name or is it called "star required ?"	[18:46]
Shaun_	jonnyb Regarding my issue. should i just delete the tiki directory and unzip a fresh copy there and start from scratch? there seems to be no solution and no way to even find out what happend. this seems to be my only option at this point.	[18:46]
chealer	changi\|release: yeah... I somehow failed to priorize that issue :-S	[18:47]
jonnyb	Shaun_: it sounds like the issue is in your database, so reinitialising that would be how to start again	[18:47]
chealer	we could ask for public creativity on -devel	[18:47]
jonnyb	sorry i can't really help more (enough) - late here and lots to do	[18:48]
chealer	(and hope to have something by RC's time) changi\|release: if you have inspiration, be bold!	[18:48]
Shaun_	The sql database?	[18:48]
jonnyb	chealer & changi\|release : i was thinking of one from Cancer (crabs have 8 legs) Shaun_: yes	[18:49]
chealer	jonnyb: good idea	[18:49]
Shaun_	Ok, Ill give that a shot.	[18:49]
changi\|release	jonnyb: chealer : decapoda ? or Tegmen	[18:51]
jonnyb	Tegmen sounds sort of more interesting (any others?)	[18:52]
chealer	decapoda sounds more tenish	[18:53]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38025 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38016 to 38024	[18:53]
chealer	are star systems allowed? :-)	[18:54]
changi\|release	Tarf / Asellus Borealis / Acubens chealer: what's tenish ?	[18:55]
chealer	changi\|release: deca means 10 so we could keep that for Tiki 10 changi\|release: Tegmen sounds good	[18:55]
changi\|release	Tegmen is in french, in english it's Tegmine	[18:56]
chealer	I see "It has the traditional name Tegmine (Tegmen)"	[18:57]
jonnyb	Tegmine sounds a bit better to me (but then i'm English ;) )	[18:58]
chealer	oh, tegmen is also an insect thing, eeww	[18:58]
jonnyb	wp says it means skin (not great) how about Acubens "the claws"?	[18:59]
chealer	"It has the traditional name Tegmine (Tegmen) "the shell (of the crab)""	[18:59]
Shaun_	jonnyb. I am in mysql. i finally am able to see the error messages. before i rebuild the database did you want me to check anything for curiosity's sake?	[19:00]
chealer	Tegmine sounds good if it has no problematic other meaning :-) Acubens seems cool too don't we have any real astronomy enthusiast? :-)	[19:00]
Bernard1	i like "KwanKei" i like the sound of it	[19:03]
jonnyb	:D sorry Shaun_ not now - but maybe do an export of it (if not too late)	[19:03]
Bernard1	also an option: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beehive_Cluster (Messier 44), an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_cluster also called the Beehive Cluster or the Gate of Men	[19:04]
oeversetten	why do you need astronomy enthusiasts?	[19:04]
chealer	I agree Kwan Kei sounds good, but it's Lambda Cancri oeversetten: because the project founder decided releases would have codenames which would be star names. and he's not here anymore :-)	[19:06]
oeversetten	oh	[19:07]
chealer	oeversetten: so we always have to find an original star name each release ^_^ http://tiki.org/All+releases	[19:07]
oeversetten	there are not so much antique star names	[19:08]
chealer	Bernard1: I don't like "Beehive Cluster" as a name much how about Theta Cancri? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theta_Cancri	[19:08]
oeversetten	most of them are unfortunate named to their constellation	[19:09]
changi\|release	ok guys we have a DB issue, when upgrading for 6 to 8 one introduce in commit 35688	[19:09]
chealer	so Theta Cancri, Acubens, Tegmine?	[19:12]
oeversetten	you had already pollux, but why not Castor?	[19:12]
changi\|release	Acubens for me	[19:13]
jonnyb	Acubens me too	[19:13]
Bernard1	Acubens +1	[19:13]
jonnyb	changi\|release: just found a bad bug in 8.x for safari/chrome (can't save tracker items ;( )	[19:14]
changi\|release	jonnyb: you have time to fix it, we have db issues, it will take some minutes to fix it :)	[19:14]
jonnyb	k	[19:14]
chealer	oeversetten: seems more prominent, but does that have anything to do with 8?	[19:15]
Shaun_	jonnyb: Ok, I made an export. Would you like me to e-mail it or submit it somewhere?	[19:16]
ricks99	too late to vote? i like acubens too :-)	[19:16]
chealer	hi ricks99 :-) I think we agree on Acubens then!	[19:16]
Bernard1	Bernard1 bring his trumpet in case a name is given to 8	[19:16]
Jyhem_laptop	Hi guys	[19:17]
chealer	changi\|release: ooh, complex. does it affect clean installs?	[19:17]
changi\|release	no only upgrade from lts	[19:18]
Bernard1	hi Jyhem	[19:18]
chealer	changi\|release: I mean does it affect Tiki 6 installs which were not modified (default database content)?	[19:18]
changi\|release	chealer: don't know for now	[19:19]
chealer	changi\|release: OK, just say if you need help	[19:19]
changi\|release	there are some field missing chealer: there is a drop column in upgrade, but the field still exist in the tiki.sql table tiki_tracker_item_field_logs field : lang too bad that lph is not here it's one of his commit	[19:19]
Jyhem_laptop	I discovered that separating parameters of the TRACKER plugin with a line feed makes the page display an error in Tiki8	[19:22]
chealer	changi\|release: I see. well, easy fix, remove the column from tiki.sql, no?	[19:22]
Jyhem_laptop	I try to figure out if it's a bug or if putting line feeds between params was wrong	[19:23]
changi\|release	chealer: yes it should	[19:23]
chealer	we can always confirm with him that was the right solution but his commit message is pretty clear, that must be the fix	[19:23]
oeversetten	chealer: there also should be a correlation to 8? dont get it at the moment	[19:24]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38026 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki.sql: [FIX] Remove unused column	[19:25]
chealer	oeversetten: it's not required, but Jonny was looking for something related to it, as it will be Tiki 8's codename thanks changi\|release	[19:25]
changi\|release	another one commit 37580 alter did something, but tiki.sql say something else upgrade from 6 : `lasturl` text vs fresh install : `lasturl` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL, First it is declared as varchar and then as text ? which one are we choosing ?	[19:27]
chealer	oh, yeah... gillesm doesn't seem to be responsive, I contacted him on that commit	[19:30]
changi\|release	yes i see your reply so varchar or text text is 65535 and varchar is limited to 255	[19:31]
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changi\|release	i would say for an URL text would be better	[19:32]
chealer	changi\|release: oh yeah, I forgot he did 37585. indeed, incoherent :-( TEXT would be safer	[19:32]
changi\|release	chealer: default null ?	[19:33]
chealer	changi\|release: hum :-/ I guess	[19:34]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38027 10/branches/8.x/lang/nds/language.php: [TRA] next low german strings	[19:35]
changi\|release	oeversetten : so bad you left	[19:37]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: list of errors... tiki 7.2 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42415	[19:39]
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shana_	tiki 7.2 - Google Docs not showing up, it's blank. html page errors are: Refused to display document because display forbidden by X-Frame-Options. PHP List of errors: http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=42415&forumId=4	[19:45]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38028 10/branches/8.x/templates/tracker_validator.tpl: [FIX] trackers: Comment out disable submit buttons code as it prevents the save message being sent in webkit browsers (meaning you can't save tracker items) - to be fixed properly after 8.0b1	[19:46]
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changi\|release	chealer: still here. another db issue on constraint in tiki_calendar_items called fk_calitems_recurrence	[19:52]
chealer	changi\|release: yes	[19:53]
changi\|release	does not exist anymore in fresh install but still in exist in upgrade	[19:54]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38029 10/branches/8.x/installer/schema/ (2 files): [FIX] Db issue incoherence between upgrade and tiki.sql tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38030 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki.sql: [FIX] Db issue incoherence between upgrade and tiki.sql tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38031 10/branches/8.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Preparing 8.0beta	[19:55]
arildb	chealer: I am having a problem with the category plugin. I have narrowed doen the problem to wikiplugin_category.php line 250. $displayParameters = array_intersect($params, array_flip(array('showTitle', 'categoryshowlink', 'showtype', 'one', 'showlinks', 'showname', 'showdescription'))); ... yields an empty array....and I cannot see why. chealer: I bellieve you made this change. Maybe you have a chance to have a quick look at it. (I am checking Tiki 8.x branch) chealer: The problem is that all settings are ignored, i.e. only defaults are used	[20:02]
changi\|release	arildb: i need some help about your modification in tiki.sql	[20:04]
chealer	changi\|release: oh yeah, I noticed that tiki_areas issue too. was the index already defined in tiki.sql?	[20:04]
arildb	changi\|release: ok. How can I assist?	[20:04]
changi\|release	arildb: you've removed one constraint called fk_calitems_recurrence, but you don't create any installer/schema script to modify existing db chealer: it's fixed we only have the fk constraints issue now	[20:05]
chealer	changi\|release: but the problem didn't affect fresh installs?	[20:05]
changi\|release	and i'm sure arildb will be the one	[20:05]
arildb	changi\|release: Yes, the FK definition was removed. MyISAM ignores FK definitions, and the removal was needed for the InnoDB installation	[20:06]
changi\|release	arildb: could you create an installer/script to fix that ? s/could/can	[20:06]
chealer	arildb: hum, I don't remember touching this, but could be. it looks suspicious.	[20:08]
arildb	changi\|release: existing databases...right. Yes, I can make a removal script, but I don't quite see how it is a problem	[20:08]
changi\|release	arildb: when you upgrade from Tiki6 or Tiki7 you have a database diff between fresh install	[20:08]
arildb	chealer: The category problem...I don't understand how this fails.	[20:08]
chealer	arildb: checking	[20:09]
changi\|release	arildb: and i can't release if we have a difference between fresh and upgrade database arildb: it's declared as : KEY `fk_calitems_recurrence` (`recurrenceId`),	[20:09]
arildb	changi\|release: The change was done in connection with InnoDB, and that should only affect 8.x	[20:10]
changi\|release	arildb: that's the point, when you upgrade your tiki website from Tiki6 to Tiki8, this constraints still persist	[20:10]
arildb	changi\|release: I will check it	[20:11]
chealer	arildb: there's a convention when you do a change to database structure, you need to change existing installs too, even if the change is just cleanup and unnecessary. the problem is we use a tool which checks that upgrades and new installs have the same database structure, to detect forgotten upgrade scripts and errors of the kind. so if we don't deal with existing installs, our detection tool is not happy.	[20:12]
changi\|release	arildb: does that be fine : alter table `tiki_calendar_items` drop key `fk_calitems_recurrence`; it's working for me	[20:14]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38032 10/branches/8.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] Newsletter subscription: Broken link when Tiki is not at the root of its domain (r30585 regression)	[20:15]
changi\|release	should i commit it, or are you doing it arildb	[20:15]
arildb	changi\|release: looks OK changi\|release: So, please go ahead and commit	[20:16]
changi\|release	arildb: ok	[20:17]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38033 10/branches/8.x/installer/schema/20111006_drop_useless_key_tiki.sql: [FIX] Missing key drop	[20:19]
arildb	changi\|release: thanks	[20:19]
chealer	arildb: I can't see what's wrong, will have to debug	[20:20]
arildb	chealer: I have run it through the debugger, and I still cannot see what's wrong, but somehow the resulting array is empty, causing only defaults to be used. I trust your PHP skills more than mine though	[20:21]
chealer	chealer vows to Acubens changi\|release: shouldn't the versions strings be the same? 8.0beta vs 8.0 Beta	[20:21]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38034 10/branches/8.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] no space tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38035 10/branches/8.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 8.0beta tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38036 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_category.php: [FIX] CATEGORY plugin: parameters ignored. r37295 regression, oops. Thanks Arild Berg	[20:26]
chealer	arildb: let me know if r38036 doesn't fix	[20:31]
arildb	chealer: testing now	[20:31]
chealer	changi\|release: OK, the tiki_areas key was fine in tiki_areas. thank you s/in tiki_areas/in tiki.sql/ thanks (re 38034)	[20:34]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38038 10/trunk/ (10 files in 8 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38024 to 38033 tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38037 10/branches/8.x/lang/ (49 files in 49 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 8.0beta	[20:40]
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fabricius	polom sylvieg: wanna talk about newsletter?	[20:41]
sylvieg	hello fabricius	[20:41]
changi\|release	for ricks : Changelog updated with 985 new commits (revision 38036 to 36750), excluding duplicates, merges and release-related commits.	[20:42]
fabricius	how r u sylvieg ?	[20:42]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38039 10/branches/8.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 8.0beta	[20:42]
sylvieg	very good thx and you?	[20:42]
changi\|release	for ricks : Copyrights updated: +4 contributor(s), +2162 commit(s)	[20:42]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38040 10/branches/8.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 8.0beta	[20:43]
arildb	chealer: The category plugin looks fine again. Thanks	[20:43]
chealer	arildb: thanks. sorry	[20:44]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38041 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki-secdb_8.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 8.0beta	[20:48]
chealer	changi\|release: something's wrong with r38037, that shouldn't be so big changi\|release: could the release tools need adaptation to the new get_strings?	[20:52]
changi\|release	chealer: don't know	[20:53]
chealer	hum, should we revert?	[20:55]
changi\|release	chealer: i'll try to relaunch a get_string on my local to see if we have a diff	[20:55]
chealer	it could break some stuff, and get_strings was run recently anyway	[20:55]
changi\|release	chealer: yes we should	[20:57]
chealer	http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37909/branches/8.x/lang	[20:57]
changi\|release	chealer: can you do it ?	[20:57]
chealer	changi\|release: I'll tell Rodrigo about the problem then revert if you're not there already	[20:57]
changi\|release	should i create the package anyway ?	[20:58]
chealer	changi\|release: unless you prefer to mail Rodrigo as you know the script better?	[20:58]
changi\|release	ok i revert it and you mail rodrigo. ok ?	[20:59]
chealer	OK	[20:59]
	done	[21:05]
changi\|release	revert under process takes time	[21:07]
chealer	yeah, massive	[21:10]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03arildb * r38042 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki_convert_myisam_to_innodb.sql: [FIX] Add tiki_areas to the myisam to innodb conversion script	[21:10]
changi\|release	chealer: should be test innodb convertion too ? s/be/we/	[21:12]
sylvieg	clear cache oops	[21:13]
chealer	changi\|release: I don't really care, it's marked as experimental. certainly not a blocker for the beta	[21:13]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38043 10/branches/8.x/lang/ (49 files in 49 dirs): [ROLLBACK] Suspicious commit	[21:19]
changi\|release	chealer: for the record : svn merge -c -$REV$ . && svn commit -m "[ROLLBACK] $REV$"	[21:19]
chealer	changi\|release: right... http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn-book.html#svn.branchmerge.basicmerging.undo	[21:20]
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chealer	changi\|release: I hope that release will come out pretty soon at this point ;-)	[21:24]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38044 10/branches/8.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 8.0beta tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38045 10/branches/8.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 8.0beta	[21:25]
changi\|release	in 12 minutes	[21:25]
chealer	au moins ce sera sous une bonne étole :-)	[21:25]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38046 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki-secdb_8.0_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 8.0beta	[21:26]
changi\|release	on peut dire ca mais meme avec huit pattes on a des plantages :)	[21:26]
chealer	hahaha :-) good thing we're increasing that version number faster now :-)	[21:26]
changi\|release	yes, i hope that tiki8 will be just cool	[21:29]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38047 10/tags/8.0beta/: [REL] Tagging release	[21:29]
changi\|release	oh a new tag 3 hours for a beta, is pretty good for 7 i spend a week for alpha because of db differences now i'm well prepared for that sort of issues	[21:29]
chealer	that will save us a lot of trouble for 8.0	[21:31]
changi\|release	i hope	[21:31]
chealer	changi\|release: because of new tools to analyze DB differences?	[21:32]
jonnyb	yay, go changi\|release go! (sorry i'm not helping much again, have meeting early tomorrow and promised nice tracker things...)	[21:32]
changi\|release	chealer: vimdiff is your friend chealer: and i have a workspace prepared with all lts and 7 checkout	[21:32]
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changi\|release	so it easy to install one and upgrade it then do a little mysqldump of the schema and then compare it to a fresh install	[21:34]
chealer	OK. thanks very much changi\|release	[21:35]
changi\|release	s/it easy/it's easy chealer: you're welcome, i should write a script on the community server to alert the dev list every time we have a difference in database schema should not be hard	[21:35]
chealer	changi\|release: good idea, would be pretty nice	[21:37]
changi\|release	chealer: on my todo list :)	[21:37]
fabricius	brb hm no bbl cheers	[21:39]
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changi\|release	chealer: upload in progress on sf.net	[21:45]
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changi\|ffa	have fun and mail the dev list for testing another time, thank you for the coordination s/another time / once again/ changi\|ffa need to sleep	[21:46]
chealer	OK changi\|ffa, thanks. good night	[21:47]
changi\|ffa	chealer: upload => done	[21:47]
chealer	good. downloaded the bz2	[21:58]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38048 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] tracker Files: Add initial handling for images in file galleries. Uses {img} plugin to format the images (and removes trackeroutput/files.tpl)	[22:17]
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	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38049 10/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38033 to 38046 tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38050 10/trunk/ (lang/fr/language.php templates/tiki-install.tpl): Instalelr: synchronize string warning about web server configuration file with new version from SEFURL panel	[22:36]
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arildb	Hi, the write-up on http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki8 fails to mention improvements in IIS support (No more blocked files without URL Rewrite module + SEFURL should now work). May be important to Windows users	[22:47]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38051 10/trunk/installer/tiki-installer.php: Installer: copy _htaccess rather than rename, and even better, symlink	[22:47]
chealer	hi arildb. does SEFURL really not work with IIS on Tiki 7?	[22:48]
arildb	There is also better support for international sites (permission + link corruption fixes). Maybe that should be added. chealer: I don't think so. We did some required changes to the web.config file in 8.x chealer: My tests on 8.x have been successful	[22:48]
chealer	arildb: hum, there's http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37642/trunk/web_config but I think it actually worked before (r37642 doesn't completely fix web_config)	[22:50]
arildb	chealer: that change was removed	[22:51]
chealer	looking at http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/log/trunk/web_config	[22:51]
arildb	The 7.x version is missing the relaxation of "double encoding" (I believe it was)	[22:52]
chealer	arildb: yeah. but I don't see anything that would have "fixed" web_config, I think it worked with Tiki 7	[22:52]
arildb	chealer: <requestFiltering allowDoubleEscaping="True"/> is required	[22:52]
chealer	arildb: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37633/trunk/web_config ?	[22:52]
arildb	chealer: that's the one chealer: Your change to get rid of the URL Rewrite module for the standard installation is an important chage for IIS users, and I believe it should be mentioned in the release doc	[22:53]
chealer	for + signs, I guess, otherwise I'm surprised refusing double escaping would break it that badly arildb: but in anyway, in general, I agree, it's a wiki so feel free to add it (just saw that document a few hours ago and realized we actually had a nice release coming :-) )	[22:56]
arildb	chealer: IIS refused to acccept + signs in my IIS 78 installation without the rule relaxation	[22:57]
chealer	arildb: OK, that I can believe	[22:57]
arildb	chealer: yes, I agree Tiki8 brings on great improvements	[22:58]
chealer	arildb: you just made me think of adding a section on German (saying to avoid conflicts)	[23:04]
arildb	chealer: German? not sure what you mean	[23:05]
chealer	arildb: the German translation was completed	[23:05]
arildb	chealer: right. Yes, important for German users....also the low-german translation is on its way chealer: Maybe that all fits into a section on improved international support chealer: There is also the (experimental) introduction of InnoDB. chealer: "9. German translation complete" already there but no mention of the low-german translation chealer: I tried to edit, but got the message that you are already on it...so, I am posting my comments here instead	[23:06]
chealer	arildb: yeah, I just added section 9 arildb: I'm done with my edit, you shouldn't get the message anymore. if you do, ignore the warning arildb: I'm less sure about a section on improved translations in general. main reason is even though several translations progressed, many regressed too (presumably most). with all the work there's been on French, it's still only at 87% arildb: as for InnoDB, I thought about it, but I didn't review it nor try it yet, so I'm not comfortable adding it. if you think it's stable enough, it could be mentioned with the mention that it's experimental. plus, I don't remember well what are the advantages at this stage	[23:15]
arildb	chealer: ok	[23:22]
chealer	I suppose I should switch my local trunk to InnoDB when I find the time to try it	[23:22]
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arildb	chealer: I just added 3 sections 28-30 chealer: I am pretty confident that the InnoDB implementation is stable. There is really not much to it. ...however, I have been wrong before	[23:35]
	chealer: If you want to switch to InnoDB, there is a conversion script in /db	[23:47]
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