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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38113 10/branches/8.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] fgals uploads: Don't show wiki syntax link if not in fgal manager mode	[10:38]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38114 10/branches/8.x/lib/prefslib.php: [FIX] prefs: Check help for empty() not isset() so as to show info icon for hints (thanks marclaporte)	[10:59]
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ricks99	polom y'all	[11:15]
Sp4rKy	hi	[11:17]
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oeversetten	polom	[11:24]
Sp4rKy	on whichtable are the custom headers stored ?	[11:24]
oeversetten	tiki_preferences it should be	[11:25]
ricks99	y	[11:25]
oeversetten	i wonder how to use the pdf export functions?	[11:26]
ricks99	Sp4rKy: you might find this table/primer useful: http://bit.ly/9cQi19	[11:26]
Sp4rKy	I like you guys	[11:28]
ricks99	oeversetten: you need either a webservice, or wkhtmlpdf installed on ur web server which are you using?	[11:28]
oeversetten	yes, it says so but wkhtmltopdf does not work quite well and i dont like to use a webservice it outputs me 0bytes	[11:30]
ricks99	you are using wkhtmlpdf and you have veriified installation on your server?	[11:31]
oeversetten	yes, i installed it	[11:31]
ricks99	check error log	[11:32]
oeversetten	which one? that of tiki?	[11:32]
ricks99	server log.	[11:32]
oeversetten	it says "print_pdf_from_url : none=>webkit"	[11:33]
ricks99	check for why wkhtmltopdf is producing 0k pdf hm... looks like url is not being passed.... that i'm not sure :( someone else may come along with more info	[11:33]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38115 10/branches/8.x/templates/admin/include_search.tpl: [FIX] prefs: Add missing search prefs to admin panel (could do with some hints & help maybe?)	[11:36]
oeversetten	i dont know if i like wkhtmltopdf, because in command line it outputs nothing if there is no X server, but why having X on a web server?	[11:46]
Merbster	oeversetten, are you sure it needs the X server running or does it just need libraries from X?	[11:54]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38116 10/branches/8.x/lib/prefslib.php: [FIX] prefs: Find trackerfield dynamically generated pref locations, and be more complete in showing plugin pref locations.	[11:55]
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oeversetten	i google some, there says "No longer requires an XServer to be running", so maybe my current version is just old	[11:56]
ricks99	oh. possibly.	[11:57]
Merbster	oeversetten, you still need X client libs http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/ <- details here	[11:58]
RobertPlummer	polom all	[11:58]
Merbster	polom RobertPlummer	[11:58]
oeversetten	merbster: yes, there i am at the moment it seems that the version newer than my current are "only" release candidates	[11:59]
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RobertPlummer	Merbster: So you are going to be meeting up with the Tiki group in Germany?	[12:07]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I'd like to, but wether I have the time and can argue the relevancy of it for my boss I am not yet sure	[12:07]
RobertPlummer	Merbster: Let him know that without our help, you wouldn't have gotten very far with this last project. For an end user/developer, we need use cases to make Tiki better, yours is a great example. With a few minutes meeting, we can understand better what your needs are. Merbster: I hope that didn't sound bad. I know you are a very capable developer.	[12:08]
Merbster	RobertPlummer, I understand what you mean, we say the same when people show up and ask us why we're chatting during work hours ;)	[12:09]
RobertPlummer	Tell them to join you, perhaps it could speed up development even more.	[12:12]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38117 10/trunk/ (15 files in 10 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38094 to 38116	[12:13]
oeversetten	merbster: newer version is better, but it still shout for some gui to render images	[12:15]
Merbster	oeversetten, I haven't installed that lib - we run Tiki on Windows - I was just trying to share some of my "general" linux knowhow.	[12:16]
oeversetten	i try to ask the developer for a workaround	[12:17]
Merbster	oeversetten, a workaround for what?	[12:17]
oeversetten	it seems not to render images without an open GUI	[12:19]
Merbster	oeversetten, wouldn't Tiki be that gui?	[12:20]
oeversetten	hehe	[12:21]
Merbster	I could be wrong - I don't know how it's supposed to be set up - but that is what I'd expect	[12:21]
oeversetten	i estimate it needs a Qt-GUI open	[12:22]
Merbster	oeversetten, I found ap age on doc.t.o that says PDF generation was removed oeversetten, http://doc.tiki.org/PDF <-	[12:24]
oeversetten	? why?	[12:25]
Merbster	Says on the page. You'd probably have to solve hte problem by using Tikis "Show as print" and then use a client side PDF printer - like CutePDF	[12:25]
oeversetten	that is inconvenient :(	[12:26]
Merbster	oeversetten, imagine the server load when 1000 users start a PDF generation at once	[12:26]
oeversetten	i m used to use ctrl+p and output it in file, but it looks garbage used on wiki pages hmm that is the administrators choice ;) the page says it is removed in tiki 2 but webkit introduced in 6	[12:27]
Merbster	oeversetten, I just skimmed it I am busy with debugging what we call "Consultant code"	[12:28]
ricks99	the old pdf generation (tiki2) was remvoed due to licensing issues - not compatible with lgpl	[12:28]
oeversetten	hmm, but thanks anyway maybe i try to used cups-pdf instead	[12:29]
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sacra	hi	[12:31]
AlRahal	xhello	[12:33]
jonnyb	hi sacra and AlRahal (and everyone!)	[12:34]
AlRahal	Hi all, I have a problem with tikiwiki6.3	[12:34]
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jonnyb	no need to ask to ask, just ask! :)	[12:37]
AlRahal	ok the problem is the following	[12:38]
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AlRahal	I have upgraded my a tiki2.4 to tiki6.3 the site is working but, when I set the option Show PHP ERROR visible to admin only I only get a white page no error on the log.	[12:39]
jonnyb	AlRahal: that's sort of a feature ;) what does the error say when it's switched on (or you are admin)?	[12:41]
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chibaguy	polom	[12:41]
jonnyb	hi chibaguy	[12:41]
chibaguy	hi jonnyb	[12:42]
AlRahal	Yes I am the admin if I am logged in as admin I'm still able to browse the wiki	[12:42]
jonnyb	chibaguy: did you spot my attempt at fixing tabs on tikinewt the other day? (and was it ok?)	[12:42]
AlRahal	but once I log off the wiki is not reachable	[12:43]
jonnyb	AlRahal: down at the bottom somewhere it should say "show errors" (or something) and if you click it a list of error should appear	[12:43]
AlRahal	Yes it does!	[12:43]
jonnyb	one of those presumably is a bad one and killing your tiki for anon	[12:43]
AlRahal	I tink that can be someting related to categories	[12:45]
chibaguy	jonnyb, I didn't check in detail, though I know some of the themes' tab styles are more complicated than they need to be. jonnyb, was that tabs, or buttons, you fixed?	[12:45]
jonnyb	had a go at buttons a couple of weeks ago, and tabs last week - i don't think either had been updated much since Tiki 6 (or 5 maybe)	[12:50]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jean-lucnavarro * r38118 10/branches/8.x/lang/fr/language.php: [bp/r38111][TRA] more French translations	[12:51]
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Bernard1	plomo, i recall discussions several month ago about "doubt" to keep google map integrated. At two I cannot see sign of this (on the contrary). Can someone tell more about mapping plan for the future in TW ?	[12:53]
chibaguy	yes, jonnyb, it'd be good to have a look again at tabs and try to make the style methods the same for all the themes unless there's a good reason to diverge.	[12:54]
jonnyb	chibaguy: indeed - also buttons...	[12:55]
chibaguy	yes, I was just going to say. I did do some changing for buttons recently.	[12:56]
jonnyb	Bernard1: LP added the google maps layers to the openstreetmap stuff for tiki 8, so they should be back now	[12:56]
Bernard1	jonnyb: good to hear, tks !	[12:57]
jonnyb	chibaguy (and all) - How's 8.x looking in IE these days? Just trying it for the first time in ages and it's not great here! (login and search modules on left, not right for a start)	[13:01]
Merbster	jonnyb, check if IE is in Quirks mode Also I think IE 9 is actually pleasant	[13:01]
chibaguy	Is it correct that if you activate "MySQL Search (legacy)", then tiki-searchresults.php is used, and if not, then tiki-searchindex.php is used?	[13:02]
jonnyb	thanks Merbster (been a while since i experienced the pain of IE...)	[13:02]
Merbster	Did anyone of you encounter a problem when trying to debug "virtual applications" in IIS with Xdebug? chibaguy, I can confirm that	[13:02]
jonnyb	yes, it's gone into quirks mode, but usually there's a reason for that isn't there? like doctype errors	[13:02]
Merbster	jonnyb, you can define it yourself Mine has never entered quirks mode automatically - atleast not in 9	[13:03]
chibaguy	I'm asking because search-results though simpler is a little nicer looking and search-index, I think, would be kind of scary to people accustomed to google, etc.	[13:03]
Merbster	chibaguy, it's possible to style both - it was SJ-Jay who did it though	[13:03]
chibaguy	Oh, I see. OK.	[13:03]
jonnyb	i'm still in 8 for extra pain! :) (and it looks fine on non-quirks mode - maybe i left it in that mode ages ago) Merbster: what are "virtual applications"?	[13:04]
Merbster	jonnyb, masochist jonnyb, it's a weird IIS concept	[13:04]
jonnyb	that would be a no for me then :)	[13:04]
chibaguy	jonnyb, I just checked in IE today, about the wide code page, but haven't actually looked with IE for quite a while.	[13:05]
Merbster	but basically it means if you want to execute a script placed in /lib/mySpeciealFolder/myScript.php - you have to mark /lib/mySpecialFolder as a "virtual application" in order for IIS to allow PHP execution directly jonnyb, what happens is that you can change settings for that individual virtual application - but a side effect is that XDebug is being screwed by it	[13:05]
jonnyb	a Microsoft OS and browser is enough self inflicted misery for me for now, thanks	[13:07]
Merbster	last time I had IIS trouble I went to ##iis but that channel is deserted now lol	[13:07]
chibaguy	On tiki-searchindex.php, what is the purpose of the "categories" textfield, is "lookup" the same meaning as "search" or "find", and what does checking "Deep search" do? If a person has searched with the module search form, then it is a bit strange to me to arrive at the search results and see these new fields.	[13:09]
Merbster	chibaguy, if you are running a tiki version that you have upgraded across generations you might have two search modules one from 6 and one from 7 the one from 7 mirrors the Unified Search options but can be customized (when including the module) too look liek the old one	[13:10]
chibaguy	This is a new install I'm using.	[13:11]
jonnyb	chibaguy: lookup make a category or tag picker dialog appear	[13:11]
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chibaguy	But what does the user think about the search results that are already displayed, after doing a search from the module? What is the reason for making a category or tag picker appear? I mean was the first search not complete, or something?	[13:12]
Merbster	chibaguy, I guess it is for further filtering	[13:13]
chibaguy	I see.	[13:13]
jonnyb	hmm, well i suppose it lets you fine tune your search it's some new GUI stuff that needs feedback and improvement	[13:13]
chibaguy	I think some explanation would be good, like "Search results are below. To filter/fine tune your search..do this...." or something.	[13:14]
Merbster	Our consultant wrote code to automatically create wiki pages based on data froma webservice. But it fails silently, uses mysql_query and it's not OO... And my debugger doesn't work... sigh chibaguy, I agree - but I think it's the case alot of places in tiki.	[13:14]
chibaguy	Yes, it's been improved a lot but there are still places.	[13:17]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38119 10/branches/8.x/templates/modules/mod-switch_lang.tpl: [FIX] flags: No need for absolute_uri for flag URLs, and it breaks when the address is different from the host name (e.g. using server IP to access). Also was adding an unnecessary / in the path	[13:17]
chibaguy	Does "Categories" in the tiki-searchindex.php form mean Tiki categories?	[13:18]
Merbster	chibaguy, I would expect it to chibaguy, in all other scenarios where I have ecnountered categories in relation to Unified Search it has been tiki categories	[13:20]
chibaguy	Right, thanks, I also did a simple test to check. Do you know what "Deep search" means here?	[13:23]
jonnyb	i think it's search in child categories too	[13:24]
chibaguy	That makes sense.	[13:24]
Merbster	also content of wikipages instead of just title etc. is there any way of deleting more than one category at a time?	[13:26]
chibaguy	Hmm, I think users expect a search to turn up content in page content, not just titles, by default. Well, it does. Maybe deep search applies just to category levels.	[13:28]
	Hmm, I can't get a term in the page of a category child to show up in search unless "Categories" is left blank. If I indicate the parent category, child category, or both, and with "deep search" on or off, the term in the child never shows up. The term in the parent category's page does show up though.	[13:39]
Merbster	chibaguy, I think sylvieg and lphuberdau are the search experts.	[13:43]
chibaguy	(Categories "Red", "Blue" and "Bluechild" which is a child of "Blue", and a wiki page in each with the term "wiki" being the page content of each, so a simple case.)	[13:43]
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chibaguy	I'll check with them some time. It's not so important to me right now, but I was just sort of exploring the search feature.	[13:44]
Merbster	it has evolved ALOT from 7 to 8 tiki 7 x doesn't support search strings with - in them	[13:44]
chibaguy	I recall the talk here about that problem.	[13:46]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38120 10/branches/8.x/lib/smarty_tiki/function.icon.php: [FIX] Icons: Calculate the path_prefix for absolute URI or path before the cache name is worked out so icons for the same tiki accessed from different URLs will be cached separately.	[13:48]
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nycdwight	Hello I need help. I edited a module. I hit save instead of preview, now the site is blank	[13:57]
ricks99	nycdwight: sounds like you have invalid code in your module. You'll need to edit it via the database	[14:01]
nycdwight	Do you know how I do that?	[14:01]
ricks99	Do you have access to the DB? This primer will help: http://bit.ly/ql80Qt	[14:02]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38121 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_code.php: [FIX] code: Remove colors=1 setting geshi setting which seems to cause codemirror to fail	[14:06]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38122 10/branches/8.x/lib/modules/tiki-admin_modules.js: [FIX] modules: Don't return null in beforeunload if not modified (as IE thinks it's a string or something)	[14:23]
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jcyrisse	anyone using Qumana or Ecto as a blog editor successfully with TW?	[14:28]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I'm wondering about with codemirror if I were to make it scrollable rather than line break, would that be an acceptable fix? So plugin code would just scroll left and right, and the editor as well. jonnyb: Just like a normal code editor, seems to make sence. sense.	[14:29]
jonnyb	hi RobertPlummer - isn't that possible only with fixed width objects?	[14:30]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I can manage it, I'm just asking if it'd be a suitable fix.	[14:30]
jonnyb	even for fluid width layouts? (yes, go for it)	[14:31]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: What I can do is detect the width at loadtime, jQuery().width(); Then just use that if there isn't a width set for the plugin only. I could possibly resize on browser resize, not sure if we'd need to go that far with it though.	[14:32]
jonnyb	yes, that sounds feasible...	[14:33]
chibaguy	RobertPlummer: I committed a fix for the fivealive theme today, to prevent the page backgrounds from breaking due to wide code. Fivealive didn't have a width specified. ..for the center column. So it went way wide.	[14:34]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38123 10/branches/8.x/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] draw fixes to ensure the image is saved to a wiki page on postback tikiwiki: [FIX] renamed the index in plugin draw to make it not conflict with others	[14:38]
chibaguy	I don't know if it's necessary to make codemirror impose scrolling. The useability problem with that is if the area to be scrolled is tall, then the horizontal scrollbar is out of sight, below the bottom of the viewport, if I'm picturing it right.	[14:38]
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chibaguy	that's why I don't like the center column scrollable. be back soon. dog walk time.	[14:38]
RobertPlummer	chibaguy: Let me see what it looks like with wide scrolling, we can go from there.	[14:39]
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fabricius	polom I have a problem with the filegalleries in a 8.0 SVN Branches - daily build from today	[14:48]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: What is going on?	[14:48]
fabricius	I do not get the "change I do not get the change file, respectively actions icon so I can upload a file, but cannot change a files version I have archive, open in webdav and share a link to this file next (maybe related) is AJAX it is switching off by itself I do not know, if my database - came from a 6.4 - might be broken #	[14:48]
	Robert -> I made a complete v	[15:00]
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fabricius	RobertPlummer: I made a complete clean installation now and it is working	[15:01]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38124 10/branches/8.x/lib/codemirror_tiki/ (codemirror_tiki.css codemirror_tiki.js): [FIX] Ensuring that there is a max width from parent set, and applying it to object, tested in chrome, firefox, ie 9	[15:17]
RobertPlummer	jonnyb: I just submitted a fix that really seems to pull codemirror together. jonnyb: I was thinking "in the box" and your suggestions helped me to look at what was possible with it without making it too complex. jonnyb: Inherit parent's width if the width of the current object is too wide.... DUH!	[15:17]
jonnyb	thx RobertPlummer - will have a look later (deep in the bowels of smarty now, having a great Monday! ;) )	[15:19]
RobertPlummer	I need to test it in older firefox and possibly ie 8 and 7, but it looks to be a golden fix. jonnyb: Try not to get digested.	[15:20]
jonnyb	trying...	[15:21]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38128 10/branches/8.x/lang/nds/language.php: [tra] low german on the way	[16:38]
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Peter_grapa	ok can anyone tell me how to easily update from 7.0 to 7.2 without the wory of losing anything ?	[16:46]
ricks99	my upgrades when very smoothly. be sure to read the 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2 release notes for any possible "gotchas"	[16:47]
fabricius	why not make a clean installation with a copy of the databese? I never update the only running db	[16:47]
ricks99	well yes, ALWAYS backup	[16:48]
fabricius	I ever take a dump, make up a new db, get a new tiki.zip, unpack on the server and copy the neede files like favicon to the new tiki root connect to the new database and upgrade that	[16:48]
Peter_grapa	i like how joomlas updates are you dont have any do anything really it just does it	[16:49]
fabricius	files I always store one levelabove the tiki root -> ../files-filegallery ../files-wikiattachmnets etc. it is just for safety - I am pretty sure, Tiki would do it aswell, but I just prefer the once half an hour upgrade instead of beiing stuck for days if anything get lost without running backup My original allways stays online, until the updated backup is tested - then I switch around and the original will be renamed as Archive (still up and running) with joomla I would do about the same what makes upgrades quick is to avoid saving files in the root of the software	[16:49]
Peter_grapa	yeah but they have addons that make backups to easy its not even funny this whole tikiwiki interface is so confusing compared to drupal joomla and wordpress and i cant find any external adons like i can for the other three	[16:55]
fabricius	hehe - we do not have external addons - that's why you do not find them we do not need what you r looking for?	[16:55]
Peter_grapa	ok	[16:56]
fabricius	mostlikely Tiki should have it	[16:56]
ricks99	Tiki is "all-in-one"	[16:57]
Peter_grapa	well im more of a graphic designer so i like it to be simple and easy to style at the same time your syntax is not universal like drupal and joomla are pretty much	[16:57]
fabricius	what you want to style? even I can customise Tiki not being gafic designer at all - and we'd like to get more grafis pros in our team I find it quite easy to design Tiki most of it	[16:58]
ricks99	quite easy to modify tiki look&feel	[16:59]
fabricius	and to move around modules and to adjust the css	[17:00]
Peter_grapa	well like modules or the way h1's h2's and so on and to easily use css3 would be great different options for navigation the templates that are available are ok but if you want to customize it you really need to know the syntax	[17:00]
fabricius	pls give an example there are a few things, where you might need smarty, that's right but that would be more structural and not only grafical	[17:00]
ricks99	just standard css... should be quite easy to modify can also use the CSS assitant to change styles GUI instead. Tiki generates the css for you	[17:02]
chealer	polom	[17:09]
fabricius	polom chealer	[17:09]
RobertPlummer	polom chealer If I check file gallery permissions like this: $globalperms = Perms::get( array( 'type' => 'file galleries', 'object' => $fileInfo['galleryId'] ) ); What is the proper way of testing if they have view permission? if ($globalperms->view_file_gallery != 'y') return;?	[17:09]
jonnyb	could be RobertPlummer - i usually have a look in the debugger and check what's come back it might just be $globalperms->view though	[17:14]
RobertPlummer	That is what I did. It seems there is a bug with it. Sorting it out.... Ok, it was looking for type called "file galleries" when it is in fact a permissions type of "file gallery" There should be selectors for those various types to make it easier. Perms::get( array( 'type' => 'file gallery', 'object' => $fileInfo['galleryId'] ) ); Should be Perms::getFileGallery($id);	[17:14]
jonnyb	agreed - they seem to get defined differently all over the place	[17:19]
RobertPlummer	It would take about 3 lines of code for each one and everyone would be much happier.	[17:19]
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chealer	chealer realizes he's had a duplicated menu module on 7.x and trunk for months, and thinks that explains some apparent breakage	[17:33]
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RobertPlummer	does anyone see any problem with the SVG thumbnail view in tiki being the svg image scaled down?	[17:51]
fabricius	I could not yet get SVG displayed as I wanted	[17:56]
jonnyb	me neither i'm afraid RobertPlummer - just uploaded another one and it gets a text icon	[18:01]
RobertPlummer	I would think that you could just resize it at the php level, has anyone tried that?	[18:02]
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jonnyb	you mean using the draw plugin i guess - doing width & height 50% seems to work for me	[18:04]
chealer	jonnyb: ooh, congrats for fixing Tiki8's layout!	[18:05]
jonnyb	hi chealer - chucked it a the w3 validator and it complained about the <li> and <div>s getting all muddled up there ok, off out shortly - more tomorrow... bibi	[18:06]
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changi\|ffa	chealer: hi, i'm switching theme and tv don't get any time yesterday to do it sorry	[18:33]
sipherdee	hi everyone! i upgraded from version 7.1 to 8.0 beta and now i get this error message: "Fatal error: Call to undefined method TikiLib::list_slide_styles() in /home/tiki/www/lib/prefs/slide.php on line 12" - any idea?	[18:36]
changi\|ffa	sipherdee: lib/prefs/slide.php doesn't exist anymore	[18:41]
ricks99	sipherdee: did you clear tiki caches after the upgrade?	[18:41]
fabricius	have to go bye all	[18:42]
chealer	hi changi\|ffa!	[18:44]
sipherdee	changi\|ffa: ok, there is probably still a reference to it somewhere in the code. if i remove the file i get: "Fatal error: Call to a member function list_all_groups() on a non-object in /home/tiki/www/lib/prefs/wikiapproval.php on line 28". i will completely replace the directory structure by the one from the beta archive.	[18:44]
chealer	changi\|ffa: OK changi\|ffa, no problem. let's do it. thanks for fixing Loggar	[18:45]
sipherdee	ricks99: no.	[18:45]
chealer	sipherdee: the proper way to upgrade is to remove previous code and add the new code, yes	[18:46]
ricks99	ricks99 always clears the cache sometimes refs to old files from prior version will remain.	[18:46]
chealer	changi\|ffa: I'm semi-busy but will be around. do we start with theme or tv?	[18:47]
changi\|ffa	themes have an issue with upgrade SQL	[18:48]
chealer	OK	[18:48]
changi\|ffa	ALTER TABLE `tiki_user_bookmarks_folders` DROP PRIMARY KEY, ADD PRIMARY KEY (`folderId`), ADD KEY `user` (`user`); doesn't work because of duplicate primary key	[18:48]
chealer	ricks99: it's not a ref to specific files here, it's just Tiki loading all PHP files in some directories, like lib/prefs/	[18:49]
ricks99	ah. live and learn	[18:49]
chealer	duplicate primary key :-?	[18:49]
changi\|ffa	yes same Id	[18:49]
sipherdee	thanks changi\|ffa, ricks99 and chealer. replacing previous code did the trick!	[18:50]
changi\|ffa	sipherdee: what do you mean by previous code ?	[18:50]
chealer	changi\|ffa: the 7.1 code	[18:50]
sipherdee	changi\|ffa: i mean, the code from v7.1.	[18:50]
changi\|ffa	we have the same folderId for different user	[18:53]
chealer	changi\|ffa: odd that you're the first to report that.	[18:53]
changi\|ffa	nobody is using user bookmarks :)	[18:53]
chealer	changi\|ffa: could you check at which step it fails (dropping, adding the primary key or the other key)?	[18:53]
changi\|ffa	only mlaporte on themes :) both because it's in only one step	[18:53]
chealer	changi\|ffa: yeah, but you see the error in tiki-install I guess. those are usually reported I did not see that error	[18:54]
changi\|ffa	ERROR 1062 (23000): ALTER TABLE causes auto_increment resequencing, resulting in duplicate entry '1' for key 'PRIMARY'	[18:55]
chealer	changi\|ffa: oh, hum. I guess nobody else has data in it indeed. changi\|ffa: that happens dropping the key?	[18:56]
changi\|ffa	i think it's when it try to recreate it	[18:57]
chealer	I see. I created the patch. I don't know bookmarks internals, did the patch without thinking too much perhaps it's the AUTO_INCREMENT on folderId that's wrong	[19:01]
ricks99	Q: 7.2 is the end of the 7.x branch? correct?	[19:02]
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chealer	ricks99: unless there are security releases, almost certainly	[19:06]
ricks99	thats what I thought. tx	[19:06]
changi\|ffa	chealer: i check what is stored in it i think we can drop the data	[19:10]
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chealer	I see how that AUTO_INCREMENT worked now: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/example-auto-increment.html the thing is it's MyISAM-specific, Arild must have had it on InnoDB arildb: are you aware that there's a difference between MyISAM and InnoDB about AUTO_INCREMENT columns? "For MyISAM tables, you can specify an AUTO_INCREMENT secondary column in a multiple-column key. See Section 3.6.9, “Using AUTO_INCREMENT”. " arildb: I imagine it was only done in tiki_user_bookmarks_folders if you only got the error there	[19:13]
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chealer	it's a useful feature, I'm not sure how to replace it	[19:15]
arildb	chealer: No I wasn't. I thought only 1 column was allowed. Do you have the URL you are referring to?	[19:15]
chealer	arildb: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/create-table.html has the quote above and links to the URL above	[19:16]
arildb	chealer: checking...	[19:16]
changi\|ffa	chealer: tv is now in tiki8 no problem to upgrade	[19:17]
chealer	thanks changi\|ffa	[19:18]
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chealer	tv seems to have survived well for what I know of it	[19:24]
arildb	chealer: I was not aware of this difference. Some changes were done in bookmarks and also accounting, I believe to only use a single aiuto_increment column	[19:24]
changi\|ffa	chealer: yes it seems to be	[19:24]
chealer	arildb: what was done on accounting?	[19:25]
arildb	chealer: If I recall right there was alos a change there to only use 1 column for the auto_increment PK	[19:26]
chealer	arildb: I see 3 possibilities: 1) Revert r37299, won't be good for InnoDB. 2) Removing AUTO_INCREMENT and dealing with it in the code. 3) Putting a normal AUTO_INCREMENT, having it grow faster.	[19:26]
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chealer	arildb: could you find the patch? for accounting	[19:28]
arildb	chealer: I am trying to understand the problem...	[19:28]
chealer	arildb: both 2 and 3 would require to have a more complex migration script to work when several users has folders.	[19:28]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Tracker that allows for multiple selections in one drop-down menu - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42441	[19:29]
chealer	arildb: OK did you check section 3.6.9? I thought what the previous situation did was equivalent to what is done now, but it actually allows the same value for folderId for different users. s/allows/allowed/	[19:29]
arildb	chealer: Yes, I saw it	[19:30]
chealer	arildb: so changi got a conflict when attempting to add the primary key on folderId since there are duplicate values bbl	[19:30]
arildb	chealer: I will check a bit...	[19:31]
walter_	hello: I need help with twist theme and tikiwiki 6.4. I am getting left column empty, and left column content (col2) below other content (col1).	[19:32]
fabricius	maybe some #xyz {overflow:display; } or so?	[19:34]
RobertPlummer	Anyone know if there is a way to turn off cache alltogether in tiki? for developers mode? I'm trying to get an svg image to create a svg thumbnail, and it is taking forever because caching it taking over.	[19:34]
chealer	changi\|ffa: could you just skip that patch? we'll need to do a new one anyway. you can remove it if that's easier	[19:35]
changi\|ffa	chealer: i can leave it so, waiting for the new patch	[19:36]
fabricius	spreadsheet .js - is there an IRC room on Freenode?	[19:37]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: You mean jQuery.sheet?	[19:40]
changi\|ffa	see you all	[19:41]
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fabricius	yes RobertPlummer	[19:43]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: I'm the creator of jQuery.sheet So tiki is as good as any I guess. or #tikiwiki rather	[19:43]
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fabricius	did not find a button for switching off caches yet, sorry you did integrate jQuery.sheet into Tiki or you did write it at all RobertPlummer ?	[19:44]
RobertPlummer	jQuery.sheet was written apart from tiki	[19:44]
fabricius	I am pretty sure	[19:45]
RobertPlummer	jQuery.sheet is a whole different project, and was found by Marc Laporte (as far as I know) and he got me interested in tiki by asking to have it integrated. jonnyb did most of the initial work, but since 6 I've been the lead.	[19:45]
fabricius	but Tiki devs sometimes are involved in different than just and only tiki anyway - I want to get a bit more intl the sheets stuff (as user/admin)	[19:46]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: Marc integrated it because it offered a newer more refined user interface, graphs, and was written in jQuery. fabricius: I could use the help, there is plenty to do.	[19:46]
fabricius	I am not a coder, you know but I would like to get used to it enough to do training I have a chance to do my bosses website - already us a Tiki for some of the companies pictures and want to do my timesheets with the Tiki next would be my consulting website, where I need decent examples for the most amazing features and for the core features spreadsheet should be there and maybe spreadsheetds from trackes aswell what help you would need RobertPlummer ?	[19:47]
RobertPlummer	Someone to be familiar with it would be nice. And to see how to improve it. Things that I'd like to see in it are drag and drop selected cells, auto complete, chart builder, sorting. But there are improvements to be made at the moment with every day use cases.	[19:51]
chealer	changi\|ffa: so themes is upgraded too? no other problems?	[19:53]
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walter_	I have played a little bit adding #c1c2 #col2 { display:inline: } (or overflow:hidden;) and #c1c2 #wrapper #col1.marginleft { display:inline: } without success. One other hint is really welcome: I am trying to upgrade from tiki-3.1 and i am blocking here.	[20:05]
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arildb	chealer and changi\|ffa: The tiki_user_bookmarks_folders specifies that auto_increment should start at 1. My guess at what's happening is that once the PK is dropped MySQL will reinitialize the auto_increment counter to 1, which causes a conflict when there is data in the table. It is possible to set this counter explicitly by ALTER TABLE tbl_name AUTO_INCREMENT = N. (Can be added to the patch sequence). However, it will fail if N is less than the maxim um existing folderId value. If this is possible, could we choose N=10000 and assume that it exceeds the most used value for this column?	[20:09]
fabricius	walter_: maybe you should consider to go straight to 8.0 - since Tiki 7 there have been changes to modules and more stuff - I am actually developing ón 8 and will use 9 as lts, but not use 6 anymore (I know, 6 is very good, but the upcoming stuff is great) RobertPlummer: I would need some hints to get strated using the spreadsheets first	[20:09]
arildb	chealer and changi\|ffa: The patch would then be changed to ALTER TABLE `tiki_user_bookmarks_folders` DROP PRIMARY KEY, AUTO_INCREMENT = 10000, ADD PRIMARY KEY (`folderId`), ADD KEY `user` (`user`); I am not sure if this will work, but if so it may be a quick and easy solution	[20:10]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: http://doc.tiki.org/Spreadsheet	[20:11]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: some minutes ago, I seem to have understood =SUM(A1;B1)	[20:11]
chealer	arildb: that's the problem. [2011-10-10 14:53:16] <changi\|ffa> ERROR 1062 (23000): ALTER TABLE causes auto_increment resequencing, resulting in duplicate entry '1' for key 'PRIMARY'	[20:11]
arildb	changi\|ffa: right, so manually setting the auto_increment counter to a high value, may work changi\|ffa: Do you have a chance to test the above patch correction?	[20:12]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: hehe I was eating it, but 1st I am lacking some basic knowledge which would help me and 2nd the doc doeas not answer all of my questions	[20:12]
chealer	arildb: sorry, I meant that's NOT the problem	[20:12]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: Are you new to spreadsheets?	[20:13]
fabricius	yes I just know the principle but not much more RobertPlummer: for ex. I want to get the value of a subsheet (like table2) into the first sheet and calculate with it	[20:13]
arildb	chealer: If alter table causes resequencing, maybe it is possible to manually set the new sequence value....	[20:14]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: =SHEET2!A1:B2 or =SHEET2!A1	[20:14]
fabricius	I do not know, what is mainsheet, what subsheet and how to link between the subsheets/tables	[20:14]
RobertPlummer	It is pretty intuitive to add a sheet.	[20:15]
fabricius	ah THATS stuff I need	[20:15]
RobertPlummer	You click the "+" button at the bottom.	[20:15]
chealer	arildb: the problem is not the new sequence value. the failure happens on conversion and is caused by duplicate keys	[20:15]
RobertPlummer	bottom of the spreadsheet.	[20:15]
fabricius	where I find the numbers? just count?	[20:15]
chealer	arildb: did you see what I wrote earlier? "I thought what the previous situation did was equivalent to what is done now, but it actually allows the same value for folderId for different users."	[20:15]
fabricius	so default SHEET is always 1? and then count like I made them? would be kind of obvious what means the "!"? just like "take it from there"?	[20:15]
arildb	chealer: So we have duplicate folderIds....:-(	[20:17]
chealer	arildb: right in some installations, which is why we didn't see the problem (we didn't test user bookmarks)	[20:17]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: next would be the question how to calculate with tracker items (I know the point spreadsheet from tracker - but didn figure out yet how to calculate from there)	[20:18]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: What version are you on of tiki? fabricius: It is the same as a instance of sheet, sheets within an instance can call each other.	[20:18]
chealer	sorry, let me amend the options I see.	[20:19]
fabricius	8.0 SVN BRANCHES Daily Build from 10th Oct 11	[20:19]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: so =SHEET2!A1 doesn't matter if sheet 2 is a file, tracker, or spreadsheet. All are the same.	[20:19]
arildb	chealer: I propose we get rid of the auto_increment and reintroduce the old 2 attribute PK. Then update the code (only add_folder in bookmarklib it seems) to manually increment FolderId	[20:20]
fabricius	a file?	[20:20]
chealer	arildb: 3 possibilities: 1) Revert r37299. 2) Removing AUTO_INCREMENT and generating identifiers in the code. 3) Putting a normal AUTO_INCREMENT, having it grow faster.	[20:20]
fabricius	you mean a spreadsheet file, not a text or a picture - that must matter!?	[20:20]
chealer	1) is bad for InnoDB. 2) requires more changes to the code. 3) requires to have a more complex migration script to work when several users has folders.	[20:20]
arildb	chealer: I think 2 is the lesser evil	[20:21]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: and with what values of the tracker I can calculate? - would it be possible with "date and time"? whoo ... or do I need numeric values?	[20:21]
arildb	chealer: would the change requirement be contianed to add_folder, or do you see some side-effects?	[20:22]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: That is an area where we need some more help for it to work correctly. fabricius: Yes and no, dates if in formulas are going to probably work fine, but in remote cells they will not. Another area is globalisation that needs some attention.	[20:22]
chealer	arildb: I know nothing of bookmarklib, but I guess it's very likely add_folder is the only place affected arildb: I'm OK with 2	[20:25]
arildb	chealer: Was the only insert I could find for that table	[20:26]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: globalisation? robert	[20:26]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: date detection, and then things like month/day/year for united states, day/month/year for others depending on your local. fabricius: jQuery recently came out with a nice lib that handles it all very nice. I'd like to integrate it.	[20:27]
fabricius	a coresponding with languages somehow + r	[20:28]
arildb	chealer: How will we revert the old DB patch? Should we simply delete it, since this is still not a released version? I assume we cannot keep it, since it causes update problems...	[20:28]
chealer	arildb: could you take care of the code? I'll deal with schema updates.	[20:29]
arildb	chealer: yes	[20:29]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: I did setup a tracker -> 4 fields: text (day) /date and time (time1) / date and time (time2) / text (hours) 2 items I did create	[20:29]
chealer	thanks. yes, I'll delete it and see if it deserves a script for recent installs	[20:29]
fabricius	day 1 - 4. oct. 10:00 to 19:00 and 6. oct 11:00 to 19:00 sorry for unclear misstyping day 1: 4. oct. 10:00 to 19:00 ... and ... day 2: 6. oct 11:00 to 19:00 then I made a spreadsheet and in SHEET2! I di integrate this tracker	[20:30]
chealer	arildb: so what was the accounting patch you were referring to?	[20:32]
arildb	chealer: If I recall right a similar change was done there	[20:32]
chealer	arildb: OK, well, if you can find it, let me know	[20:33]
fabricius	in SHEET1! I calculate the SUM of =-SHEET2!B2 and =SHEET2!C2 wich makes -> -1317898800 + 1317927600 = 28800 next field I divide through 3600 and get 8 this would be an appropriate result for day 2 but where is day 1? it is not shown in the Spreadsheet - neither in SHEET1! nor in SHEET2! RobertPlummer: #	[20:34]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: Is it the very first line possibly being overwritten?	[20:37]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: line1 is "day, time1, time2, hours" / line2 is values from day2 - values from day1 are missing in the spreadsheet so I have only 2 instead of three lines but it is the 2nd line of the tracker (the first line with values) that is missing RobertPlummer: and I cannot edit the trackerSHEET2! at all	[20:39]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: Can you send me a couple screen caps? robert@tiki.org?	[20:41]
fabricius	jupi if you want, you can have a look for yourself aswell - but screenies I'll do aswell	[20:41]
walter_	fabricius: tiki 8.0 is beta. I would prefer taking 7.2. I will try 7.2	[20:46]
fabricius	walter_: yes, you can do that - upgrade from 7 to 8 is easier than from 6 to 7 regarding to css stuff	[20:58]
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fabricius	RobertPlummer: mail is sent	[21:06]
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chealer	arildb: I committed r38141. is the bookmarklib part progressing?	[21:17]
arildb	chealer: yes, testing now	[21:17]
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fabricius	RobertPlummer another problem: the reference to the tracker has been SHEET2! -> but when I add more subsheets, the reference counts up: one more subsheet .+ and it will be SHEET3!	[21:24]
RobertPlummer	fabricius: It doens't dynamically rename. It should	[21:25]
fabricius	and one more will make it SHEET4! and so on	[21:25]
RobertPlummer	But the feature isn't built in yet,	[21:25]
fabricius	that means, I have to redo all the formulars in my first sheet in wich I did refer to the tracker formulas I mean	[21:25]
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arildb	chealer: strange, but your commit r38141 did not get listed here 40 and 42 are	[21:27]
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chealer	arildb: yeah, CIA is not so reliable, sometimes it dumps commit with a delay	[21:28]
fabricius	RobertPlummer: I also cannot delete the subsheet for the tracker (for ex. to make a new one) Ah I can delete - found it undr edit	[21:29]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03arildb * r38145 10/branches/8.x/lib/bookmarks/bookmarklib.php: [FIX] Compliments r38141. Manually increment folderId	[21:32]
arildb	chealer: there are more strange cases, which don't seem to cause a problem, e.g. tiki_freetagged_objects which also has a multi-attribute PK with auto increment	[21:34]
chealer	arildb: did you consider a WHERE user for the SELECT that determine the current maximum? arildb: in any case, thanks for compliment, I think that will work, although a complement would have sufficed ;-)	[21:35]
arildb	chealer: No, I didn't, but maybe I should have done :-)	[21:36]
chealer	arildb: seems to work. I'll look at the WHERE	[21:39]
arildb	chealer: tiki_menu_languages is another case chealer: where...thanks	[21:40]
chealer	arildb: ah, I suppose that the difference with tiki_menu_languages is that menuId (the AUTO_INCREMENT column) is first in the primary key whereas in bookmark folers it's a "subkey" of user	[21:42]
arildb	chealer: yes, I think you are on to something there chealer: first comment on http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/innodb-auto-increment-handling.html mentions this	[21:42]
chealer	arildb: yes, I guess that comment explains both cases (as tiki_freetagged_objects has a tagId key)	[21:45]
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arildb	chealer: yes...I still believe there was another problem case though...but I cannot find it	[21:46]
	chealer: I found the cases. They involve tiki_acct_journal and several other accounting tables. However, they seem to be intermediate changes between 7.x and 8.x, thus not present in any of the releases. So, I believe it's no problem	[21:56]
luciash	polom hi chibaguy, isn't it too late/early there ? :)	[21:58]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38146 10/branches/8.x/lib/bookmarks/bookmarklib.php: Bookmarklib: Calculate the maximum folderId for the current user only in add_folder()	[22:02]
chealer	arildb: OK, thanks. yeah, I think these issues were fixed by http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/34899 arildb: I think that case is solved :-) thanks changi\|ffa: thanks for reporting the bookmarks issue. it should be solved now if you can retry upgrading.	[22:05]
arildb	chealer: That change is 4 months old, i.e. before I joined the Tiki team...so I think there was something lingering on that had to be corrected later. However, still no problem.	[22:07]
chealer	arildb: well, that change only made it into 7.1, which was released on August 1st, so maybe you had the problem with 7.0	[22:10]
arildb	chealer: not sure. It doesn't really matter. Case closed	[22:11]
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oeversetten	polom is there actually a wiki plugin that trailers a certain row of wikipages? mean, given a row of pages and then displays the first, say 60, characters of the pages?	[23:29]
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walter_	I have found my problem: I am a multitiki site using twist theme. I edit css, it is created into styles/myDomain/twist.css. And look and feel is damaged. It is partially restored when I copied all directory styles/twist to styles/myDomain/twist. what must I do ? have you any sugestions ? I have also copied all styles/*css to styles/myDomain, without success.	[23:48]
oeversetten	found plugin, good night	[23:53]
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walter_	may be must I edit styles/myDomain/*css and replace each styles/xyz with styles/myDomain/xyz ?	[23:54]

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