#tikiwiki 2011-10-14,Fri

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fabricius\|meetin	Urgent question: I am doing an online tutorial now, did apply the WYSIWYG profile and the website crashed too many redirects error 310 does anybody know? it is a 7.2 SVN about a few weeks old	[00:38]
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Jyhem_laptop	no idea about the reason. Things to try to recover: tiki-admin_system.php?do=all tiki-logout.php	[01:03]
nkoth\|nelson	too many redirect you can see from which url to what url the redirects are in firebug or the browser http tools cd ..	[01:07]
fabricius\|meetin	logout worked thx so far cleared cache now	[01:08]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38254 10/branches/8.x/lang/nds/language.php: [tra] bit more Low German	[01:11]
fabricius\|meetin	nkoth\|nelson: "...firebug or the browser http tools..." what should I look for - I did not use this for that before	[01:13]
nkoth\|nelson	in firebug, open up the Net panel	[01:14]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jyhem * r38255 10/branches/8.x/ (db/tiki.sql installer/tiki-installer.php): [FIX] Ensure collation is utf8_unicode_ci for new installs	[01:14]
fabricius\|meetin	I have "webdeveloper", I think that is not firebug just getting firebug (had it before - will have installaed it in a minute or so)	[01:14]
nkoth\|nelson	no, but webdeveloper might do, there is a Net tab and log in it see if it logs actually justclicking the net tab itself might show it	[01:15]
fabricius\|meetin	I did not find a "net tab", but an error console but no more redirects, due to jyhems link	[01:19]
nkoth\|nelson	ok, maybe it is goo dnoe good now/ The Net tab is under Web Console.	[01:20]
fabricius\|meetin	but thx anyway - such tips always show me what I still have to learn evry step I go ahead shows me two more steps I will have to climb but ... from time to time I sit down and rest and look aver the trees, the buildings and one day far far away over the hills ... ;-) ... getting pathetic now thx nkoth\|nelson and Jyhem	[01:20]
nkoth\|nelson	you're welcome	[01:23]
Jyhem_laptop	I think there was something wrong in your session which was correct before the profile roll-out ans wrong after. logging out killed your session variables. No idea what it could be or how to avoid it. But rolling a profile is not an everyday occurence	[01:27]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38256 10/branches/8.x/lib/tikilib.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] get_user_preference(): Anonymous couldn't get a preference of another user. tikiwiki: [FIX] userHasPreference(): Anonymous lookup would check his own preferences. tikiwiki: r36779 regression. Oops. Thanks Marc Laporte	[02:38]
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amarado	hi	[02:48]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38257 10/trunk/ (lib/registration/registrationlib.php tiki-adminusers.php): [REF] User creation: remove addslashes() for $apass (unneeded)	[02:48]
amarado	anyone here?	[02:48]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38258 10/trunk/lib/registration/registrationlib.php: [REF] register_new_user_local(): remove preference definitions already set in add_user() (set_user_default_preferences())	[02:50]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38259 10/trunk/lib/registration/registrationlib.php: [REF] register_new_user_local(): remove some user preferences defaults definitions (shouldn't be needed)	[02:56]
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kstingel	I'm about to start work on a "Publish ePub" plugin ... any suggestions on where in the SVN tree I should put it? ... since it may take me a while to complete, I'm hesitant to drop it straight into 'trunk'	[03:04]
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luciash	kstingel: u can on experimental branch or create custom user space like chibaguy did	[03:37]
kstingel	how do I create a custom user space? .... just create a folder under Users with my name as the folder name?	[03:38]
luciash	kstingel: unfortunatelly i have no experience with this kstingel: maybe it is on dev tips on the dev.tiki.org svntips page i mean	[03:51]
kstingel	thanks anyway ... will check the site	[03:52]
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fabricius	good night everybody	[04:03]
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fabricius	Jyhem: I am nearly convinced, that the problem earlier on tonight is related on an htaccess problem	[05:35]
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fabricius	polom	[08:43]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Missing tiki-db.php - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=6&comments_parentId=42474	[09:04]
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fabricius	hi I need a short quick help where I find the exact serverrequirements for tiki? I am actually in a phonecall with a hostingprovider	[09:51]
Merbster	fabricius, http://doc.tiki.org/Requirements	[09:55]
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fabricius	have it thx have been looking parallel - multitasking thx for quick answer Merbster maybe s.b. has a clue: I did make an installation on a goDaddy account and it turns out, that I cannot use SEF-Url switching on SEF-Url (with or without activated htaccess) I am getting an error 310 (too many redirects) when I type mydomain.con/Homepage (same with lower case pagename) mydomain.com/tiki-index.php brings me correctly to the HomePage deactivating SEF-Url takes the error away, but typing /HomePage then redirects me to /tiki-index.php ... not SEF, as off what could use this problem -> the account is NOT on an IIS Server, it is on Linux #	[09:57]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38260 10/branches/8.x/lib/prefs/ (freetags.php wiki.php): [FIX] Electrostatic instead of Eletrostatic	[10:08]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03oeversetten * r38261 10/branches/8.x/lang/nds/language.php: [tra] low german progress	[10:30]
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fabricius	have to go - bye	[11:04]
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ricks99	polom y'all	[11:31]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38262 10/third_party/jquery/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [FIX] update jquery-ui-selectmenu to latest "dev"	[11:57]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38263 10/branches/8.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] object_selector: selectmenu sizing issue and no-id bug (thanks nkoth)	[12:02]
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RobertPlummer	polom tiki devs just installed ubuntu 11.10.... Must say, I'm very surprised to be happy about it.	[12:13]
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lphuberdeau	I'm waiting a bit longer before upgrading ubuntu	[12:44]
	chealer: I'll get around to bug fixing a bit later today, any issues you want me to tackle first?	[12:51]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38264 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [NEW] Moved code from timesheet to tracker lib that allows update from request var, refined code a bit, and added the base by id tikiwiki: [ENH] Timesheet items to use namespace methods tikiwiki: [ENH] Timesheet to remove namespace items after save	[13:11]
luciash	polom	[13:14]
RobertPlummer	polom luciash	[13:14]
luciash	luciash is very upset about how his ubuntu look and feels after upgarde to 11.10 :-/ everything sucks now from the usability point of view scrollbars are usability joke, no possibility to change GUI fonts, no posibility to add/remove/move gnome applets, no possibility to setup panels i wonder how i am supposed to change all of that now #ubuntu channel sucks too :-p	[13:15]
lphuberdeau	luciash, I believe the default is not gnome	[13:17]
luciash	they said it is gnome 3 + unity something and that i can change that by logging to "Gnome classic" session ... but that changes barely nothing except the genial left icons bar what annoys me most are the "catch-me-if-you-can-scrollbar-handles" :-p luciash is going to switch to xfce again - fastest workaround to this crap imho s/imho/ihho/ ;)	[13:18]
lphuberdeau	try installing gnome shell which is the not-unity one	[13:21]
luciash	ok, i will give it a shot thanks for hint (have seen it somewhere already)	[13:21]
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RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I'm wondering what you think, it makes for easy looking code... Using TikiLib::lib("")->method(); , what do you think about using that frequently?	[13:25]
lphuberdeau	well, I use it when there is a single call to the lib, otherwise, I like making the lib a local var because it makes for shorter lines	[13:26]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: very good. lphuberdeau: See the new methods in trackerlib this morning? lphuberdeau: For transforming $_REQUEST to tracker items.	[13:27]
lphuberdeau	first work day this week, playing catch-up made that in 8.x?	[13:27]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: trunk, not 8	[13:28]
lphuberdeau	good	[13:28]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I'd been using something like that in invoice, and again in timesheet, thought it'd be good to bring it over to the lib to get better use of it.	[13:29]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38265 10/trunk/tiki-timesheet.php: tikiwiki: [ENH] Made default list only show the tracker items that are associated with your user tikiwiki: [ENH] Made the username save under "Done by" field.	[13:31]
luciash	ok, gnome-shell didn't change anything, xfce saves the day the bad news is, the scrollbars are still the bad ones even in xfce - must be gtk thing	[13:37]
nkoth\|nelson	lphuberdeau: re-unified search, I tried searching using wild cards * and ? and they have no effect. Are they not implemented?	[13:43]
lphuberdeau	the doc never says they are, so they are not in fact, they are prevented lucene is not very efficient with those, and will just throw exceptions in some cases	[13:43]
nkoth\|nelson	any reason why? I was thinking perhaps I could have an "advanced search type or something that would allow a native lucene query as described in http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.lucene.query-language.html so it's not reliable?	[13:44]
lphuberdeau	plus, it's very engine specific, and unified search is not meant to be lucene-only	[13:44]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I did not know that.	[13:45]
lphuberdeau	so the feature set is intentionally general	[13:45]
RobertPlummer	cool!	[13:45]
lphuberdeau	http://dev.tiki.org/Unified%20Search	[13:45]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: ubuntu 11.10 us here! I've got it installed, and it is wicked fast! (is)	[13:45]
lphuberdeau	I think the lucene search syntax is horrible and just showing it to end users is a sin	[13:46]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: agreed, it is ugly.	[13:46]
lphuberdeau	plus, there is a lot of transformation done by tiki which just won't work if you get humans trying to build the query you need to see unified search for what it is, lucene is an implementation detail	[13:46]
luciash	RobertPlummer: maybe it is wicked fast but it sucks from usability point anyway :-p	[13:47]
RobertPlummer	luciash: Have you tried it? I hated 11.04 HATED! 11.10 seems like they ironed out the bricks.	[13:47]
luciash	i hated 11.04 too (because the scrollbars crap was introduced there), but now 11.10 i hate even more :-p	[13:48]
RobertPlummer	luciash: ah, I like unity now.	[13:48]
luciash	RobertPlummer: yep, just upgraded to it :-/	[13:49]
nkoth\|nelson	lphuberdeau, ok, so I have a necessary requirement for wildcards, because often the search will be for words that start/end/include certain characters...	[13:49]
RobertPlummer	luciash: 11.04 wasen't really a major upgrade, 11.10 I feel was a much larger leap.	[13:49]
luciash	RobertPlummer: i don't like it because you need to move your cursor above the tiny scrollbar handle to make it expand first before you can actually use it	[13:49]
nkoth\|nelson	lphuberdeau: any suggestions	[13:49]
lphuberdeau	nkoth, unified search is not built for that	[13:50]
luciash	RobertPlummer: yep, leap to "you cannot change anything now"	[13:50]
RobertPlummer	lphuberdeau: I just use my scroll/touchpad. and I'm mostly keyboard driven. luciash: Just switch back to classic. You can turn off those features. They just aren't in the same place.	[13:50]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: user restriction - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=42478	[13:50]
luciash	RobertPlummer: how ? already tried to switch to classic, and it is barely the same - no change s/barely/mostly/	[13:50]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38266 10/trunk/tiki-timesheet.php: [ENH] Made sheet update using openSheet rather than a new instance every time. Makes much faster.	[13:54]
RobertPlummer	luciash: there is an app called ubuntu tweak, try that.	[13:56]
luciash	RobertPlummer: thanks, i will give it a try	[13:56]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: register to tiki from a different site? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=3&comments_parentId=42479	[14:10]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38267 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-timesheet.tpl tiki-timesheet.php): tikiwiki: [ENH] Moved over to smarty buttons + auto args tikiwiki: [ENH] Added new button that allows you to view your and all timesheet items	[14:12]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38269 10/trunk/templates/tiki-timesheet.tpl: [ENH] Added "Done by" to list view tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38270 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_tracker.php: [FIX] tracker plugin: Fail more gracefully when handler not returned from factory	[14:18]
jonnyb	thank polom it's Friday	[14:23]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r38271 10/branches/8.x/lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js: [FIX] Submit the action indicated on the form rather than the one that loaded the dialog (fixes the translation dialog)	[14:29]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38272 10/branches/8.x/templates/styles/mobile/tiki.tpl: [FIX]mobile: Add {error_report} and sync other changes from root tiki.tpl	[14:37]
	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38273 10/trunk/ (templates/tiki-timesheet.tpl tiki-timesheet.php): [ENH] Moved to a tabs view, bunch of fixes, and moved some buttons around	[14:47]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38274 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki/editlib.php: [FIX] wysiwyg: Restore removal of wiki plugin wrappers when switching from wysiwyg to wiki in html mode tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38275 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [ENH] Added feature and feature check for timesheet	[15:02]
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lphuberdeau	nkoth, any precision about the fields disapearing?	[15:18]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38276 10/trunk/ (16 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38220 to 38272	[15:23]
nkoth\|nelson	lphuberdeau: no, if it happens again I will alert that one is really strange	[15:23]
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lphuberdeau	I'm trying to play with the interface, but I really don't get anything strange so far	[15:39]
nkoth\|nelson	lphuberdeau: I tried playing with it yesterday as well but didn't get anything as well - I think playing with it is not an easy way to come across it.	[15:40]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r38277 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tikiwiki: [FIX] Added feature check for tracers tikiwiki: [NEW] Added menu schema items for timesheet	[15:40]
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chealer	polom	[15:49]
jonnyb	hi chealer	[15:49]
chealer	hi jonnyb and lphuberdeau	[15:49]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r38278 10/branches/8.x/customsearch_ajax.php: [FIX] handle quotes in search queries to customsearch tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r38279 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_sort.php: [FIX]Fix the sorting to avoid separating upper case from lower case in the first letter	[15:50]
lphuberdeau	chealer: seems like your change in accesslib broke the permission check on blogs... at least, you're the last one to touch that function	[15:54]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38280 10/branches/8.x/lib/setup/user_prefs.php: tikiwiki: User preferences: initialize $user_preferences for anonymous too. Anonymous may fetch the preferences of other users. tikiwiki: Fixes "Warning: array_key_exists() expects parameter 2 to be array, null given in [...]lib/tikilib.php on line 3590" from r38238	[15:54]
lphuberdeau	the problem is that often, the object is not supplied to the function call, and the implementation as it is will fall back on the global permissions, rather than those in the global variables, as it used to be the case I really don't understand the two first arguments sadly, so I can't possibly fix it	[15:55]
chealer	lphuberdeau: cool. I think the TRACKERSTAT issue is the one where you have most exclusive expertise :-) If you could at least analyze the problem, I put it on http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8#Possible	[15:56]
lphuberdeau	I've never even looked at that plugin but I can look into it	[15:57]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r38281 10/branches/7.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_sort.php: [bp/r38279][FIX]Fix the sorting to avoid separating upper case from lower case in the first letter	[15:59]
chealer	lphuberdeau: I assume we're talking about https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/37420 ?	[16:00]
lphuberdeau	didn't look at the whole commit	[16:00]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r38282 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_sort.php: [bp/r38279][FIX]Fix the sorting to avoid separating upper case from lower case in the first letter	[16:00]
lphuberdeau	might have been sylvieg then, who had a recent commit too	[16:01]
chealer	lphuberdeau: I did touch check_permission() in r37420, but that shouldn't cause any non-trivial behavior change unless I made some obvious error	[16:01]
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lphuberdeau	well, the function is obviously broken, although I can't say since when the trackerstat issue also seems to be related to categories the one filter that works is based on status, all other stats are category related actually, not status, but a simple drop-list field	[16:02]
chealer	lphuberdeau: and I don't see such an obvious error	[16:04]
lphuberdeau	well, the function does not behave as it did in previous versions and all calls to it have not been modified to reflect the change	[16:05]
chealer	lphuberdeau: I agree that function could use some documentation, it seems a little strange	[16:05]
lphuberdeau	Perms::get('', '') will give you global perms (the real ones)	[16:05]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r38283 10/branches/8.x/customsearch_ajax.php: [FIX] refix r38278, handle quotes in search queries to customsearch, avoid storing escaped string for recalling search	[16:05]
lphuberdeau	but $access->check_permission('tiki_p_read_blog') expects to read the globalized permisions on the prior line which are object permissions rather than global permissions and that is why object/category permissions are no longer respected in blogs introduction of type and object as parameters to that function is flawed	[16:06]
chealer	lphuberdeau: yeah, r37416 seems much more likely to change effective permissions. I'm not sure what's the problem though	[16:09]
lphuberdeau	the function is quite fully broken I can rewrite it since the trackerstat one is category-related, I believe it falls in your ballpark ;)	[16:10]
chealer	oh yeah, r37402 introduced these lphuberdeau: you mean when you call $access->check_permission('tiki_p_read_blog') you're supposed to have "imported" object permissions before?	[16:11]
lphuberdeau	no you would need to provide the object/type to the function	[16:13]
chealer	I didn't look (try to reproduce) at the permission problem BTW	[16:13]
lphuberdeau	its just that the default behavior of the function changed which is a horrible thing	[16:14]
chealer	lphuberdeau: by "globalized permissions", do you mean something different than global permissions?	[16:14]
lphuberdeau	the $tiki_p_stuff variables are just global variables that can contain any type of permission $tikilib->get_object_perm() overrides them Perms::get() on the other hand return just what you asked for without temporal dependencies fixed	[16:15]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03lphuberdeau * r38284 10/branches/8.x/lib/tikiaccesslib.php: [FIX] Restore correct default behavior which relied on global variables when no object was specified	[16:18]
jonnyb	chealer: your fixes for tiki-switch_theme.php in trunk seem to fix some bugs in with the themegenerator in 8.x - can you think of any reasons not to backport it all?	[16:21]
chealer	lphuberdeau: OK. does $objectPermissions-> support both tiki_p_foo or just foo?	[16:22]
lphuberdeau	both	[16:22]
chealer	uh, yeah, thanks for understanding what I meant :-) lphuberdeau: thanks, that looks good jonnyb: all... I made pretty big changes, some of which I'm not even sure about. but some are fixes and could be backported if we're confident	[16:22]
jonnyb	i just copied the contents of tiki-switch_theme.php from trunk into 8.x and it seems to work ok - i like what you've done with it! :) (lots less code, thanks)	[16:25]
chealer	jonnyb: https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/38217/trunk/tiki-switch_theme.php in particular appears to be a fix, but I'm not confident about it. you're the one who knows, so if it doesn't look wrong to you, backporting would be good	[16:25]
jonnyb	no, that's not enough on it's own...	[16:28]
chealer	jonnyb: there's also a part of https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/38216/trunk/tiki-switch_theme.php "Attempt rationalizing. changing themegenerator_theme now calls set_user_preference() (previous situation assumed to be an omission)"	[16:29]
jonnyb	yes, i'm trying part of that one now... i guess a minimal fix might be safer	[16:30]
chealer	"changing" (not resetting) themegenerator_theme would not call set_user_preference()	[16:30]
jonnyb	yes, changing the themegen one has no effect in 8.x at the moment	[16:31]
chealer	again, if that doesn't look wrong to you, that could be nice to backport I think these are all themegenerator-specific fixes I did (presumed) fixes bbl	[16:31]
jonnyb	think i've got it - without touching any of the rest of the code (themegen is still experimental) - thx	[16:32]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38285 10/branches/8.x/tiki-switch_theme.php: [FIX] switch theme: Fix theme generator switch. Partial backport of chealer's fine work in trunk (thanks)	[16:33]
nkoth\|nelson	anyone has had much experience solving utf8 search problems? Any pointers?	[16:34]
chealer	jonnyb: exactly, thanks	[16:34]
jonnyb	i'll clean up the inevitable conflict! :P hi nkoth\|nelson - not really, how do you mean?	[16:35]
nkoth\|nelson	enter search term, not getting result....	[16:36]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38286 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_carousel.php: [FIX] carousel plugin: Use the $.fn.tiki handler to set up correct path for the images	[16:37]
jonnyb	nkoth\|nelson: index rebuilt properly? all my problems with it have been due to the reindexing failing silently for instance if a plugin in a page causes an exception it breaks down half way through - i've tried to add some try/catches where i've found issues but i wouldn't be surprised if there are more i have a patch somewhere for adding a log output to it to help debugging...	[16:40]
nkoth\|nelson	indexing looks fine, it's the searching that is not matching. If i search for the english part of the text it works but if I can log, it will help my investigation	[16:42]
jonnyb	nkoth\|nelson: patch is here - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1927369/110923_add_logging_to_search_indexer.patch probably a bit out of date now was thinking of committing it (with logging disabled) but never found time to test properly	[16:45]
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arildb	Hi, I am trying to undestand the Tiki permission tables a bit more. Here's my understanding users_grouppermissions - stores the global group permissions users_objectpermissions - stores the category and object permissions users_permissions - ??? Not sure about this one. Can somebody please explain the table users_permissions? lphuberdeau: maybe?	[17:12]
jonnyb	hi arildb - i don't think users_permissions is used	[17:13]
lphuberdeau	should be gone from 8.x	[17:13]
arildb	jonnyb: I get data in it though	[17:13]
lphuberdeau	it was simply the list of permissions	[17:13]
arildb	so, it should be empty and not used?	[17:14]
jonnyb	oh yes, it's an array in userslib now	[17:14]
lphuberdeau	arildb, keep in mind you should not try to read those tables directly	[17:14]
jonnyb	in a clean install	[17:14]
lphuberdeau	there are a whole lot of rules to permission checking	[17:14]
jonnyb	yes, it's empty in a clean install (but still there...)	[17:15]
arildb	lphuberdeau: I would like to match the permission settings in 2 different systems. Is there an easier way, than to compare the permission data tables? match as in check if the same permissions are set	[17:15]
lphuberdeau	well, if you only try to compare, it should work out but interpreting is tricky	[17:16]
arildb	lphuberdeau: That's the plan. Not to set/alter any values I just need a basic comparison So, I can ignore users_permissions it seems	[17:16]
lphuberdeau	yes the two tables you mentioned are the only ones where assignments are stored	[17:17]
arildb	ok. thanks	[17:19]
chealer	thanks for r38286 jonnyb	[17:19]
jonnyb	np chealer - just trying to get the parameters working now ;)	[17:20]
chealer	jonnyb: the parameters... you mean the plugin ignores its parameters now?	[17:21]
jonnyb	seems to (the yes/no ones) and the units ones need to be css unit strings	[17:22]
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arildb	I have another db table question: What is the pupose of tiki_categorized_objects? It only has 1 attribute catObjectId. tiki_category_objects seems to maintain the relation between the categories and the objects. So what does tiki_categorized_objects do?	[17:24]
jonnyb	another good question arildb - might be another legacy table i think... i think it was to speed up finding categorised objects (maybe still is)	[17:27]
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chealer	jonnyb: hehe, OK	[17:28]
arildb	jonnyb: It receives data. Speed up...maybe that was the idea, but I have a hard time seeing how it can gain much speed compared to the indexed tiki_category_objects. It sure adds complexity if that is the case using a distinct catObjectId will yield the same result, it seems on tiki_category_objects	[17:29]
chealer	arildb: yeah, it's for performance. it tells you if an object is categorized	[17:30]
jonnyb	stuff was categorised before the object system was "modernised" so probably left over from the bad old days ;)	[17:31]
arildb	chealer and jonnyb: OK. At least the purpose seems to be explained. Seems like a removal candidate to me	[17:31]
jonnyb	i'm finding plugin params with the value "0" gets stripped out, and i'm sure i fixed that once before (it equates to empty() so gets removed) - any ideas where?	[17:32]
chealer	it's definitely not essential	[17:32]
nkoth\|nelson	ok, finally got it to work by setting the default Search Analyser to new Zend_Search_Lucene_Analysis_Analyzer_Common_Utf8());. lphuberdeau, I know the English analyser has advantages but any reason why the UTF8 analyser should not be an option?	[17:32]
jonnyb	jonnyb did notice that the English analyser doesn't get used for en-uk :(	[17:34]
arildb	chealer and jonnyb: I made a check in the test system I am working with. SELECT distinct catObjectId FROM tiki_category_objects returns 27 rows. SELECT * FROM tiki_categorized_objects returns 40 rows. That indicates that it either is out of sync (i.e. creating problems), or it has some other purpose, too. Accoring to your explanation, it seems like a problem is the most likely answer	[17:37]
chealer	arildb: when was that system installed?	[17:38]
arildb	chealer: recently. It's using 8.x. It's a test system I use	[17:40]
chealer	arildb: I fixed a lot of problems with categories in trunk last month. I think that included places that didn't maintain tiki_categorized_objects. so it could be fixed. but there may be more problems left	[17:43]
arildb	chealer: If so, the removel of this table should probably be done now. I will check the dataset a little more chealer: joining it with tiki_objects results in 27 rows (same as tiki_category_objects). So it seems not to be maintained joining tiki_categorized_object and tiki_objects chealer: I doubt the permance gain outweighs the added complexity in this case. So, to me, a removal of the table seems the best solution	[17:44]
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chealer	it would definitely be nice to do something about it. removing redundancy from the database is good	[17:56]
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arildb	chealer: from changelog.txt r6204 \| lfagundes \| 2005-12-06 19:08:05 +0100 (mar, 06 déc 2005) \| 3 lines [MOD] Refactor: abstract object concept from categories to a general structure tiki_objects. tiki_categorized_objects is there now just to match the checkbox "categorize this object", but maybe we can remove it so, a removal was suggested in 2005, and definately overdue. I will take a look at it	[18:11]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38290 10/branches/8.x/templates/tiki-list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] fglas: Curious missing underscore	[18:15]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnybradley: is there only supposed to be one underscore for _keepall? looks to me like the ) from text went to the keepall... jonnyb^	[18:17]
arildb	chealer: tiki_categorized_objects is used in quite a number of places. I am not very familiar with the category internals. So, I am not really up to this cleaup task right now	[18:19]
jonnyb	nkoth\|nelson: aha, think you're right...	[18:19]
chealer	arildb: Please accept this silver Tiki archeologist certification :-)	[18:20]
arildb	chealer: archeologist certification...he he...yes, maybe I have been digging a bit lately	[18:21]
chealer	arildb: categlib is a scary place. but it's reported some have come back from it, with [partial] success ;-)	[18:21]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38291 10/branches/8.x/templates/tiki-list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] fglas: Curious missing underscore found and removed (Thanks nkoth, well spotted)	[18:21]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: I heard all about your adventures in categlib :)	[18:22]
jonnyb	nkoth\|nelson: now trying to work out why the context menu is broken in browse mode :(	[18:22]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnyb: what context menu?	[18:22]
jonnyb	on files	[18:23]
chealer	it's also reported that these people still need to cleanup some breakage they caused though ^_^	[18:23]
jonnyb	i'm only getting archive, and two share options (no properties or upload etc)	[18:23]
chealer	hi nkoth\|nelson :-)	[18:23]
arildb	chealer: So, are you saying you are going to dive back into the depths of categlib?	[18:23]
nkoth\|nelson	I would suggest to avoid dangerous places before key celestial events (major releases)	[18:24]
chealer	arildb: I was actually in the depths of preference internals when something made me diverge to categlib. I'd really better stick to finishing that preferences cleanup I started back in August before going back to categlib	[18:24]
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changi	hi there	[18:25]
arildb	chealer: ok	[18:25]
changi	changi ready to do some tiki for a couple of hours	[18:26]
chealer	chealer hears a loud and profound sound oh, it's changi approaching! :-)	[18:26]
jonnyb	hi changi	[18:26]
chealer	arildb: seriously, I cleaned up a pretty nice chunk of categlib. if someone wants to do more, I can advise and review	[18:26]
changi	so trunkdev is now stable enough ?	[18:27]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnyb: you mean that popup menu for a file? I'll check...	[18:27]
arildb	chealer: I will take a second look at the usage of tiki_categorized_objects, but as nkoth\|nelson suggested, it's probably not good to do any major revising at the moment	[18:27]
jonnyb	yup - seems the perms get lost somewhere	[18:27]
chealer	well, as long as it's on trunk refactoring categlib is definitely not something we want to do in 8.x! changi: did you see my last mail to -devel? about cache oh, nevermind	[18:30]
changi	chealer: did you see my answer :)	[18:32]
chealer	changi: OK... so how do we deal with this memcache problem? changi: adapt the cron job?	[18:32]
changi	chealer: i thing that we have now a big server and memcached is not necessary s/thing/think chealer: it's a drop and recreate database + php installer/shell.php i don't want to add sort of sql queries chealer: we should try to re enable it and change the prefix did we try that yesterday ?	[18:32]
chealer	changi: I'm not a performance person and you're the one managing the server. if you think it's unneeded, let's disable it changi: yesterday I only disabled memcache. I let you decided how you wanted it. s/decided/decide/	[18:34]
changi	ok lets try to enable it and change the prefix and see if we have issues	[18:35]
chealer	OK	[18:36]
changi	memcached enabled	[18:36]
chealer	changi: good. RobertPlummer fixed the textarea issue when you left.	[18:38]
changi	no issues for the moment trackers are working well	[18:38]
chealer	changi: did we experience other actual bugs with memcache?	[18:38]
changi	thx Robert chealer: i think the main issue was that we mixed dev and trunkdev prefix that why it wasn't working	[18:38]
chealer	yeah. allright	[18:39]
changi	what about trackerstats ?	[18:39]
chealer	changi: Louis-Philippe said that was related to categories. I need to look at that. let's ignore that one for now, not a blocker changi: I still have to go through some feedback about our 8.x upgrades	[18:40]
changi	It goes pretty well :) did you see marc's email about tv.to ?	[18:41]
chealer	hum, bottom of http://trunkdev.tiki.org/Development partly broken for anonymous changi: yes. it's Marc's feedback I still need to check	[18:41]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnyb: if it helps I notice that $changes in fgal_context_menu.tpl is not defined in browse mode	[18:43]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38292 10/branches/8.x/tiki-wikiplugin_edit.php: [FIX] plugin edit: Don't strip out empty params (this included values such as "0")	[18:43]
changi	chealer: what is broken?	[18:43]
jonnyb	nkoth\|nelson: ah, that sounds like the one - a smarty 3 casualty i think	[18:44]
chealer	changi: hum, there was an ohloh logo showing below everything, but it's gone now. something's wrong	[18:44]
arildb	chealer: yes, I will certainly not touch tiki_categorized_objects at the moment	[18:45]
chealer	changi: I can't really reproduce. the notices are OK, cache seems to be behaving correctly	[18:46]
changi	chealer: is it normal that anonymous can edit pages ? like Tiki8	[18:46]
arildb	however, it seems like removing it will eliminate some table access (insert/deletes) and should simplily a number of SQLs....but a too high risk of side-effects at the moment	[18:46]
chealer	changi: uh. seems not...	[18:47]
changi	that a big problem anonymous can do more than it should be able to do http://trunkdev.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=Tiki8 look at the last editor	[18:47]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnyb: you mean something to do with reusing the same varname inside a loop?	[18:48]
chealer	changi: it seems they just get the edit icon here	[18:48]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnyb: I've leave it to you, but that could very well be it	[18:49]
chealer	changi: that seems to be an actual user (called "anonymous"...)	[18:49]
changi	that was me editing the page without being logged	[18:50]
jonnyb	nkoth\|nelson: sounds likely, will investigate...	[18:50]
chealer	changi: HUH changi: do you see it showing as user5981? (never paid attention to how anonymous contributions look like)	[18:50]
changi	chealer: no it show me "user anonymous "	[18:51]
chealer	and where does anonymous@mailinator.com come from?	[18:52]
changi	lol	[18:52]
chealer	changi: right, but if you hover that it shows a link to user5981	[18:52]
changi	yes we should try to delete it ? or rename it	[18:53]
chealer	we have an actual "anonymous" user on tiki.org, registered in 2005: http://trunkdev.tiki.org/tiki-adminusers.php?offset=0&numrows=50&sort_mode=login_asc&user=5981 changi: I guess, but more importantly we need to figure out if/how that's breaking the system	[18:54]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38293 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_carousel.php: tikiwiki: [FIX] carousel plugin: Process params so they're not all strings, fix filters where needed and improve param descriptions. tikiwiki: Also use file name (title) as well as description if available.	[18:54]
changi	his last connection was in 2005 too	[18:56]
chealer	changi: it seems some pages can be edited anonymously, some not (like the home page), but they all get the edit icon changi: pfff. that's a lot of problems to add to the number of tabs I already open :-S, I'm not sure we should upgrade ...dev today, depending on how much time we have	[18:57]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38294 10/branches/8.x/templates/browse_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] fgals: Fix context menu in browse mode by passing on $changes var (Thanks again nkoth for the clue)	[18:58]
chealer	thanks jonnyb changi: could you upgrade themes? there's a problem with carousel	[19:00]
changi	yes	[19:00]
jonnyb	no worries chealer - sorry i haven't been around as much as i would have liked recently	[19:01]
changi	jonnyb: 30 minutes before, you have say we have a perm issue, was it in Tiki8 ? chealer: backlinks are not selectable	[19:02]
chealer	jonnyb: is it that 24 hours in a day limit thing again?	[19:02]
changi	chealer: 48h you mean :)	[19:02]
chealer	48h in a day? sorry, I'm leaving for France	[19:03]
changi	ok, to be more pragmatic, did someone touch the perm system since Tiki7 ?	[19:04]
nkoth\|nelson	changi: I don't remember any major change to perms, except to tracker perms. is it you have pages that can be edited by anonymous now after upgrading?	[19:07]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: that's the problem, yes	[19:07]
changi	yes	[19:07]
jonnyb	hi changi - back, perm issue? maybe the filegal thing (was a smarty var thing)	[19:07]
changi	jonnyb: ok chealer: it's not only pages, the footer is also editable by anonymous :)	[19:07]
nkoth\|nelson	do i have access to this?	[19:08]
changi	chealer: and the display error button is present	[19:08]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: http://trunkdev.tiki.org/Tiki8 can be edited by anonymous	[19:08]
changi	All pages are editable by anonymous :)	[19:09]
chealer	changi: ooh. noticed the button, but I figured it was setting s	[19:09]
nkoth\|nelson	what is the apache auth?	[19:09]
changi	trunkdev / trunkdev :)	[19:09]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r38295 10/trunk/ (12 files in 6 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/8.x 38272 to 38294	[19:10]
changi	chealer: no because on dev.tiki.org it didn't show	[19:10]
chealer	changi: "Visible to admin only" is not checked	[19:11]
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changi	oh a new feature :)	[19:12]
chealer	changi: that preference is not new. I see I don't have errors on production dev, but I also don't see them as admin	[19:14]
changi	so it's a evolution :) cool	[19:14]
chealer	ah "Include Smarty notices" is disabled on both sites but we see Smarty notices on trunkdev that's abnormal, but there were regressions with Smarty 3 about error reporting	[19:14]
changi	oh regression then Smarty3 is so delicious :)	[19:15]
chealer	(which I'm not planning to look at before Smarty 3.1 unless it's a big problem) so for now I'll just ignore that	[19:16]
changi	it's not a big problem	[19:16]
nkoth\|nelson	interesing, after I click the refresh cache button, anonymous can no longer edit tiki8	[19:16]
changi	and of course not a blocker nkoth\|nelson: i still can edit it	[19:16]
jonnyb	most odd - on trunkdev not only does anon have tiki_p_edit but also all the others (like remove, permissions etc) buttons	[19:18]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: hum, that's so strange. now I still see the icon but indeed I get a permission denied	[19:18]
changi	chealer: are ok that codemirror is not stable, but is not a blocker for Tiki8	[19:18]
nkoth\|nelson	trunkdev.tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=Tiki8 try now	[19:18]
chealer	changi: indeed. it's tagged as experimental	[19:18]
jonnyb	i still can edit as anon	[19:19]
nkoth\|nelson	I can again...	[19:19]
changi	me too	[19:19]
chealer	me too	[19:19]
jonnyb	could it be something like an svn file conflict? like a lib missing or corrupt my 8.x and trunk tikis seem to be ok	[19:19]
changi	svn status say nothing wrong	[19:21]
jonnyb	as is http://themes.tiki.org maybe it's the apache basic auth?	[19:21]
nkoth\|nelson	changi: dpes it help with memcache off?	[19:21]
changi	jonnyb: i can switch it off	[19:21]
chealer	changi: I also don't remember important changes to permissions since Tiki 7. there were changes to check_permission(), including one this morning by Louis-Philippe: https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/tikiwiki/changeset/38284 changi: but just a change to check_permission() couldn't explain all that	[19:21]
changi	chealer: yes will switch off auth	[19:22]
chealer	I disabled memcache	[19:23]
changi	still able	[19:23]
nkoth\|nelson	there are cases where I cannot edit I think it is wiki cache related	[19:23]
changi	apache auth deactivate still able to edit	[19:25]
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jonnyb	it's still asking for auth for me	[19:25]
shaun_	Hi, I'm have just setup wiki, got it working with ldap. i can add users successfully. but when i log in with anything but the default admin account. i just get a blank page. I cant figure it out for the life of me.	[19:26]
changi	jonnyb: and now ?	[19:26]
jonnyb	yup, in now witohut auth, but still get edit buttons :(	[19:28]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I don't think wiki cache could cause the edit icon to show when it shouldn't	[19:28]
nkoth\|nelson	shaun_ this ldap thing I rememebr when the error is too long it used to white screen instead of logging the error but I thought I fixed it	[19:29]
changi	i can display $_REQUEST if you want	[19:29]
chealer	shaun_: which version do you use?	[19:29]
nkoth\|nelson	I think it was fixed here: https://dev.tiki.org/item3710-3710&highlight=ldap	[19:29]
shaun_	nkorth:nelson > i never had a chance to verify that. can you walk me through the steps.	[19:29]
jonnyb	however, if i go to https://trunkdev.tiki.org/tiki-objectpermissions.php for instance i get "you are not logged in", so maybe it's a global var issue, in smarty maybe (where $tiki_p_edit gets checked instead of using the proper functions)	[19:29]
nkoth\|nelson	jonnyb: you can actually get through tiki-editpage.php, so the problem is in get_perm_object	[19:30]
shaun_	chealer> I'm using EasyPHP-5.3.8.0 with TikiWiki 6.4 LTS	[19:31]
nkoth\|nelson	let me turn the wiki cache off and see	[19:31]
changi	nkoth\|nelson: ok	[19:31]
chealer	Anonymous doesn't have global tiki_p_edit shaun_: I suggest trying version 7. otherwise, you can enable error reporting.	[19:31]
shaun_	Error reporting is enabled.	[19:32]
jonnyb	shaun_: try enabling error_reporting (if it's not already) :P for non-admins too?	[19:32]
chealer	shaun_: did you apply the Debug Mode Enabled profile?	[19:32]
shaun_	chealer> not that i specifically am aware of.	[19:33]
chealer	shaun_: try it, there are several settings to check	[19:33]
nkoth\|nelson	changi: why do i still see the cache icons after disabling all the cache?	[19:35]
shaun_	is there a walkthrough of how to enable the debug mode?	[19:35]
nkoth\|nelson	I am beginning to think APC is the issue	[19:35]
chealer	{if $editable and ($tiki_p_edit eq 'y' or $page\|lower eq 'sandbox') and $beingEdited ne 'y' and $machine_translate_to_lang eq ''} shaun_: see the Profiles admin panel so yeah, $tiki_p_edit must be set to y	[19:35]
changi	nkoth\|nelson: maybe because we have a cache issue :)	[19:36]
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changi	nkoth\|nelson: i can disable it if you want (APC)	[19:37]
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nkoth\|nelson	changi: give it a try (but was the old dev on APC?)	[19:37]
shaun_	yes.	[19:37]
chealer	good point nkoth\|nelson, also seeing cache icons still shaun_: search for the Debug_Mode_Enabled there and apply it	[19:38]
changi	nkoth\|nelson: yes dev is on APC and themes and tv and all website	[19:39]
shaun_	what catagories?	[19:39]
changi	nkoth\|nelson: apc is off nkoth\|nelson: still able to edit nkoth\|nelson: still see cache refresh button	[19:40]
nkoth\|nelson	changi: it is almost like memcache is still working	[19:41]
changi	who wants a dev database dump to test on local	[19:41]
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SJ-Jay	polom tikis :) anyone know if's theres any problems adding css3 to tiki?	[19:44]
chealer	even if memcache is still working, we changed the prefix	[19:44]
nkoth\|nelson	changi: i suppose you must have restarted apache after turnign off apc?	[19:45]
chealer	I have to eat something	[19:45]
changi	nkoth\|nelson: yes nkoth\|nelson: you can see the tabs apc saying that apc is off	[19:45]
chealer	changi: before you leave, we need to set a new date to upgrade doc. at least one possibility, say in the case that we can upgrade dev this weekend	[19:46]
changi	next thursday usually we switch doc after RC1	[19:47]
jonnyb	jonnyb wonders if it would be rude to ask if the trunkdev database has been upgraded...	[19:47]
changi	jonnyb: yes it is	[19:48]
jonnyb	thought so :) just guessing now	[19:48]
nkoth\|nelson	there's something real strange that the cache icons won't disappear, let me zoom in on this one thing first	[19:49]
changi	i still thing it's a smarty issue nkoth\|nelson: ok bbl	[19:49]
chealer	changi: OK	[19:50]
jonnyb	ok, me 2	[19:50]
nkoth\|nelson	changi: there might be a smarty issue but smarty is not involved in blocking tiki-editpage.php	[19:50]
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chealer	changi: could we refresh trunkdev from production dev again? in case cache issues caused corruption	[19:50]
changi\|nsf	nkoth\|nelson: i'm thinking like someone before, a global variable issue chealer: yes i can	[19:50]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: but there are times when I am blocked does not seem like a code issue to me	[19:51]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: yeah, me too nkoth\|nelson: not sure I understand you, but I'm talking about refreshing the database	[19:51]
changi\|nsf	changi\|nsf refresh data under process	[19:52]
chealer	thanks changi\|nsf	[19:52]
nkoth\|nelson	ok, refreshing makes sense	[19:52]
changi\|nsf	and as i say before i can provide a dump if some of you wants to tests on local	[19:53]
chealer	changi\|nsf: what would the size look like? BTW changi\|nsf, I saw some pages complaining about img/wiki_up/ on trunkdev. if that's not too hard, it would be nice to synchronize that too unless we just switch storage to database	[19:53]
shaun_	chealer> So, debug is enabled. is there a specific action you would like me to perform as a par, or litmus test;)	[19:56]
changi\|nsf	chealer: 63 Mo	[19:56]
chealer	shaun_: retry to login, the idea is to get the error message instead of a blank page	[19:56]
nkoth\|nelson	changi\|nsf, any other tiki on this server?	[19:56]
chealer	changi\|nsf: OK, I could try it if it persists	[19:57]
shaun_	when i logged out as admin. all of my images went away and looks like normal text. im assuming this is normal.	[19:57]
chealer	changi\|nsf: was themes upgraded?	[19:57]
changi\|nsf	nkoth\|nelson: dev / doc / themes/ tv / noc / code / profiles / stats chealer: themes is up2date	[19:58]
shaun_	I just tried to log in as the ldap user. blank page again.	[19:58]
nkoth\|nelson	shaun_is log ldap errors on? if so , whatever errir it is should be logged in tiki logs which should be accessible through Admin...Tiki Logs	[19:59]
changi\|nsf	changi\|nsf trunkdev is up2date with dev's data	[19:59]
chealer	crap, JavaScript broken on themes for anonymous	[20:00]
changi\|nsf	chealer: where	[20:00]
chealer	thanks changi\|nsf. I suppose you had already changed the memcache key I turned off memcache too to be very sure that's not the problem	[20:01]
changi\|nsf	chealer: no	[20:01]
chealer	changi\|nsf: on the HomePage, javascript errors on load, will investigate later (minified is enabled) changi\|nsf: well, it had Memcache key prefix: trunkdevtiki_ I hadn't touched it after your refresh at that time doh, Overview can still be edited	[20:01]
shaun_	chealer> 84 ldap 12:55 shaun Connect Host: ldap://172.xx.x.xx:389. Binddn: shaun at line 220... 127.0.0.1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;...	[20:03]
chealer	...as anonymous no suspicious notices (so no obvious cache conflict)	[20:03]
nkoth\|nelson	we should try the dump, changi can you email me?	[20:04]
chealer	changi\|nsf: your dump is a vanilla dump of the production site, right?	[20:05]
nkoth\|nelson	maybe not the dump, but somewhere to get it	[20:05]
chealer	I gave nkoth\|nelson the link	[20:06]
changi\|nsf	chealer: yes, you need to run installer/shell.php to upgrade it	[20:06]
chealer	OK nkoth\|nelson: I guess we shouldn't all work on that at the same time I'll check the issue on themes	[20:12]
nkoth\|nelson	ok	[20:13]
chealer	JavaScript errors as anonymous on themes appear to be gone	[20:14]
changi\|nsf	need to leave see ya all let me know if you need something	[20:17]
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chealer	hum, display of http://trunkdev.tiki.org/Development is currently broken as anonymous, white background	[20:18]
shaun_	chealer> I dont seem to get any errors with the debug enabled.	[20:18]
chealer	changi\|ffa: so when can we upgrade dev? changi\|ffa: (if there were no issues left tomorrow for example)	[20:18]
changi\|ffa	i can do it this week end i don't have edit button anymore oh talk too fast need to go	[20:19]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: not white for me	[20:20]
chealer	changi\|ffa: OK. we'll tell you when it's ready	[20:20]
changi\|ffa	tschuss	[20:20]
chealer	changi\|ffa: thanks, good weekend OK, not white for me anymore but cache conflict again changi\|ffa: do you see the cache conflict again?	[20:20]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer:yes. i will want to try locally	[20:21]
chealer	we're very lucky if this conflict does't damage the production dev site	[20:21]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer it looks ok so far, really strange	[20:22]
chealer	shaun_: so you still have blank pages? no more conflict on trunkdev now (memcache is disabled) jesus...	[20:22]
shaun_	yes.	[20:23]
chealer	shaun_: is reporting only enabled for admins (in the general admin panel)? error reporting changi\|ffa: did you just change memcache settings oh, Tiki Logs say changi changed memcache_servers at 16:08 there is no mention that I disabled memcache, just that I changed memcache_servers (which I didn't do voluntarily) nkoth\|nelson: meh GAH cache conflict on trunkdev again	[20:24]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: I am importing dump locally now, let's see if I can reproduce any problems locally first	[20:31]
chealer	and memcache is still disabled memcache is disabled on trunkdev, I just clear Tiki cache, and there is still a cache conflict nkoth\|nelson: what do you mean, a different dump?	[20:31]
nkoth\|nelson	the one you pointed me to,	[20:33]
chealer	s/I just clear Tiki cache/I just cleared Tiki cache/ nkoth\|nelson: I thought you had already tried that (when you wrote "it looks ok so far, really strange ")	[20:33]
nkoth\|nelson	was referring to the eisting site then s/eisting/existing chealer, you think I should change the session cookie name just in case it matters?	[20:34]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: trunkdev?	[20:34]
nkoth\|nelson	When I said "it looks ok" I was referring to old dev trunkdev is no improvement	[20:35]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: oh. yes, I saw no apparent damage on production dev.	[20:35]
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chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I can't see how the session cookie name would cause a problem like what we're seeing. assuming we're in different domains/paths	[20:37]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: you are right the domain is different	[20:37]
marclaporte	polom	[20:43]
chealer	hi marclaporte marclaporte: thanks for testing trunkdev. I think you saw a cache conflict. did http://trunkdev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=4009 look like what it's like now when you tested? there's a ton of errors nkoth\|nelson: yeah, please test the dump, that will give us an idea. I'll try to solve the current conflict on trunkdev meanwhile WTF. enabling memcache fixed it. it remains OK after re-disabling there's clearly a preferences bug nevermind marclaporte, I guess not and anyway, it doesn't look the same now	[20:44]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: wiki caching is still on	[20:54]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: what do you mean/imply?	[20:55]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: when I go to tiki8 for the first time there is no cache refresh icon, but when I go to it again it appears but if I go to tiki-admin.php?page=performance as an admin (different browser) I see that the cache wiki pages is off doesn't seem consistent to me	[20:55]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: right, there's still the bugs we had before refreshing... sorry, when I said I fixed it, I meant the cache conflict nkoth\|nelson: not the big problems we saw with changi	[20:57]
nkoth\|nelson	right.	[20:58]
chealer	marclaporte: oh, I see your comment on http://trunkdev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=4009 now marclaporte: but there is no number of comments in the tab name nkoth\|nelson: any progress?	[21:03]
nkoth\|nelson	installed locally, facing memcache error	[21:05]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: because it was enabled I guess?	[21:05]
nkoth\|nelson	there was no pref in tiki7 I think	[21:06]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: no memcache_enabled in Tiki 7?	[21:06]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, wat wait found it. disabling in db bug is evident locally as well now starting investigation	[21:07]
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chealer	oh. good thing, I guess	[21:10]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, yes	[21:10]
luciash	re-polom	[21:12]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: the cache thing may be a bug when the cache was previously enabled then disabled	[21:12]
luciash	uff, finally found out what was the scrollbars crap caused by - package called scrollbar-overlay (in the Ubuntu)	[21:13]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I would probably start with the edit icon issue, if permissions weren't that complex :-S re luciash	[21:13]
luciash	sorry for off-topic hi chealer	[21:13]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, i'm still trying to change the https login pref	[21:15]
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nkoth\|nelson	chealer: i'm through that and checking ht eperms now	[21:25]
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nkoth\|nelson	chealer: ok, the wiki cache refresh icon issue is separate from the other issues. Apparently the wiki cache refresh will contnue to show even after wiki cache is turned off so long as there is a wiki cache in the past . This does not seem right to me	[21:37]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: yeah... big surprise :-P I agree, not right looking at Marc's comments still	[21:37]
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	nkoth\|nelson: are you trying to fix the cache issue or on the permissions? I could check the cache	[21:55]
nkoth\|nelson	i am looking at the permissions. the cache thing you can find in lib/wiki/wikilib go ahead it's in function get_parse($page, &$canBeRefreshed, $suppress_icons = false) {	[21:55]
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chealer	yes, I've been there	[21:58]
	pages have individual cache set	[22:03]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r38296 10/branches/8.x/lib/wiki/wikilib.php: [FIX] Wikilib: only consider individual wiki cache set if feature_wiki_icache is enabled in get_parse(). Thanks Nelson Ko	[22:17]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer: I am still narrowing down the permission breakage to somwhere in september, but I noticed on going through svn logs that in r36781 and r36783 there was some refactor by you on need_reload_prefs I was under the impression that that was needed when certain prefs change - the anonymous have their prefs cached in SESSION, so they need it reloaded...	[22:18]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: indeed, lots of preferences refactoring nkoth\|nelson: it could have something to do with that nkoth\|nelson: need_reload_prefs should be for site preferences ("s_prefs"). but there's still some broken code using s_prefs incorrectly nkoth\|nelson: my condolences if you have to read initialize_prefs nkoth\|nelson: did you try just removing the anonymous and see what happens? the weird anonymous user	[22:19]
nkoth\|nelson	permission error is clearly in the code I've narrowed it down to the september period by svn switch still further narrowing... permission problem is not related to prefs issue I raised earlier	[22:22]
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chealer	anonymous: "Invalid username" on 8.x if ($n == 'admin' \|\| $n == 'anonymous' \|\| $n == 'registered' \|\| $n == strtolower(tra('Anonymous')) \|\| $n == strtolower(tra('Registered'))) return new RegistrationError('name', tra("Invalid username"));	[22:29]
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oeversetten	polom	[22:31]
fabricius	polom	[22:33]
chealer	uh, the anonymous user on trunkdev is gone tiki.org seems a little slow	[22:34]
oeversetten	not just a little	[22:37]
chealer	well, it's been worst, but it could be quite faster currently :-) uh. "anonymous" now has an empty username it seems: http://dev.tiki.org/user5981 (compare with http://dev.tiki.org/user5982 )	[22:38]
nkoth\|nelson	chealer, anyway i found the culprit revision for the permission thing but I can't see how it can matter	[22:39]
chealer	nevermind, it seems User Information is broken when given a user is that doesn't exist s/user is/user id/ so it seems someone removed "anonymous" from dev (and trunkdev)	[22:40]
nkoth\|nelson	must be changi	[22:41]
chealer	probably nkoth\|nelson: great, lookins... nkoth\|nelson: pretty big diff, eh... yet nothing about tiki_p_edit	[22:41]
nkoth\|nelson	but switching userslib between the two revisions certainly solves the perms I suspect maybe there is a bad perm somewhere added	[22:46]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: I see. I don't see any clearly related permission touched neither	[22:46]
nkoth\|nelson	and on this site that perm is on (therefore it is not a problem on other sites) and when some code tries to check that perm, the whole thing bombs or somehting	[22:46]
chealer	sounds plausible it's a pretty good start that we identified a commit, just wish it was another one :-)	[22:48]
nkoth\|nelson	after all the commit message does say that there ended up one more perm? right i found it	[22:49]
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CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r38297 10/trunk/lib/userslib.php: tikiwiki: [SEC][FIX] Since r37331 (16 Sep 2011), when tiki_p_plugin_preview was given to a tikiwiki: group it was as if tiki_p_admin_wiki was given. This patch fixes that and does tikiwiki: some associated tightening up on defining feature admin perms.	[23:23]
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chealer	yay nkoth\|nelson: you want to do a minimal backport?	[23:25]
nkoth\|nelson	to 7? i don't tthink it affect 7	[23:25]
chealer	nkoth\|nelson: 8.x	[23:25]
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nkoth\|nelson	I committe din 8 shit all that svn switching messed up my checkout	[23:25]
chealer	hehe, there's matter for confusion	[23:26]
nkoth\|nelson	ok i will bp	[23:26]
CIA-12	tikiwiki: 03nkoth * r38298 10/branches/8.x/lib/userslib.php: tikiwiki: [bp/r38297][SEC][FIX] Since r37331 (16 Sep 2011), when tiki_p_plugin_preview was tikiwiki: given to a group it was as if tiki_p_admin_wiki was given. This patch fixes that tikiwiki: and does some associated tightening up on defining feature admin perms.	[23:33]
nkoth\|nelson	ok, gtg now, talk to you later :)	[23:34]
chealer	thanks nkoth\|nelson	[23:39]

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