!help You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tiki.org/TikiBot . help anyone there iangold: hi, what's the matter Greetings Tiki enthusiasts :) All is ggod. I actually wanted to talk to Rob Plummer, who I gather is still sleeping. But I havn't used this before and wanted to check I had gotten to the right place. New Forum Posts: Trackers, imprimir el contingut d'un tracker - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=16&comments_parentId=42616 New Forum Posts: Actualització de versió - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=16&comments_parentId=42619 Hi, in my Tiki 8.x installation, the page titles seem to be links and thus get a different font. Maybe it has been this before too. However, the link causes a differnet font, and I am not really linterested to link to the page I am already viewing. I would like to remove the title link. Does anybody know how? arildb: Admin -> Admin Home -> Wiki -> Set all preference filters -> First tab, "Page Display" section has everything you want to configure. Shortcut: tiki-admin.php?page=wiki Jyhem: thanks np Jyhem: I cannot find an option to disable link creation for the page title you can disable the page title, or replace it with a smaller, "out of the page" title, or the page ID, but they are all links, I think For no link at all, remove all title options and type the tite in the page editor as a !tilte thanks again can anyone tell me how to open yahoo new like webservices Does anyone know if Robert Plumber has been around the last couple of days. I'm trying to get in touch with him iangold, I haven't seen him online recently. But what is it about - maybe someone else can answer your question. polom polom polom anyone experienced problems with images in img/wiki_up/ when the file name have special characters? I'm upgrading a Tiki from 2.4 to 6.4 and all the images in img/wiki_up/ that have special characters in their names are not being displayed. Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4043 - - \{img\} plugin does not work if image file name has special characters - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=4043 polom I need some help with trackers in tiki 8 I can't edit them in a tiki ste upgraded from tiki6 to tiki8 reported issues here: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8 chealer: hi do i need to repackage 8.0 ? hi changi! changi: yes, let's release Tiki 8 for real now i can scratch the 8.0 tag to recreate a new one changi: I removed 7.3 and 8.0, but as 8.0 was available for some time, i think we should call it 8.1. i think it would be better it could be 8.0.1 too but as there was a week of fixed between both I think 8.1 is warranted and simpler s/fixed/fixes/ ok for 8.1 hi ricks99 hiya chealer ricks99: changi_laptop just arrived, we're releasing 8 for real now as 8.0 or 8.01 or something else? ricks99: 8.1 ok. i'll prep the news item. pls take a look and update as needed. tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38768 10/branches/8.x/lib/setup/twversion.class.php: [REL] Preparing 8.1 wuhu! tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38769 10/branches/8.x/README: [REL] Update README file for 8.1 tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38770 10/branches/8.x/lang/ (49 files in 49 dirs): [REL] Update language.php files for 8.1 +1 for calling it 8.0.1 and not 8.1 too late now :( even if we might be out of time for that now tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38771 10/branches/8.x/changelog.txt: [REL] Update changelog.txt for 8.1 changi: do u have stats from 7.3 -> 8.1 (# contributors, # commits)? we use to say for upgrades, wait until x.1 is released for upgrading production sites... tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38772 10/branches/8.x/copyright.txt: [REL] Update copyright.txt for 8.1 but this case is a fake x.1 release ? it still has serious issues, imho, with trackers, at least ah yes.. totall agree so calling it 8.1 will go against our marketing strategy, or reputation, or whatever you can call that... xavi: ricks99: it's still time to stop release +1 for 8.01 imho I wonder if it's only me finding serious isues with trackers still (from sites upgraded from 6.x) I mean, every time I test some things , I find issues (some serious)... but I have the sensation that those issues were not reported as regressions or so, not because there were no regressions, but because no one had tested that... xavi: don't you think it's the tracker revamp from LpH which need more configuration to get it work ? so I have the sensation that we are running too fast with (untested properly) releases... everytime I can invest some time to test something (a fake upgrade from a production site), I get to the conclusion that some important feature is broken, etc. I had that sensation when 7.x was released... and now again when 8.x is released. I feel as If , in case of wiling to upgrade, I should upgrade to 7.x.... but 7.x reaches end of life soon (if not already)... i'm only the packager, if the release coordinater say that we can release => I release :) hi xavi yes, changi_laptop, I agree, and thanks for your work. same for you, chealer, thanks for your work changi_laptop: can we hold of for just a second or two. Xavi: want to send email to dev list explaining why 8.01 is better naming? don't take this criticism personally, it's just that I'm wondering ... aren't wee all running too fast, based on the results of the bugs and issues (missconfigurations? ...) found in new releases that we push to release. ricks99: I'm worried not as much with the name as with the fact that I can't edit trackers in a production site that I tried to upgrade to 8.x xavi: just checking here if you saw the private messages I sent you and the worries are not for that site (I have some backup handy somewhere not too old)... but with the fact that no one (it seems) did hit that isues before, becuase (probably) they didn't try yet xavi: i believe current version is meant to inherently be less stable than LTS rodrigoprimo: yes, I saw them (sorry, I don't remember all my messages to you in the last days) xavi: ok mmm, I wrote earlier today (8 h ago or so) something in http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8 that to me looks like a blocker.... related to trackers aren't we running so much that we are to release 8.01 or 8.1 and we didn't pay attention to a potential blocker for a release of 8.x? re hi xavi chealer: just in time :) xavi: I couldn't reproduce your user messages regression ( http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8#Undetermined ) I mostly worried with the unability to perform tracker edition and tracker field edition anyone willing to test it on site? anyone willing to debug that? (I can provide a db dump) xavi: I moved the issue from Blockers to Possible regressions if that happenend to me, how many hidden issues are still to be found when people start (attempting) to use 8.0 or worse, 8.1? xavi: oops, forget that ok, if that is all that we want to do with poential serous issues.... good luck and lots of wisdom.... (we need that) xavi: on that blocker I just asked for evidence that it is a Tiki 8 regression. but it's too late now anyway I'm tired xavi: do you have an account that we can use on your website yes hold on... changi, chealer: I think the issue was fixed since in 8.x I had found an issue in smarty_block_self_link or smarty_function_query that broke most links out there and ajax calls polom hi lphuberdeau. you're talkin about xavi's issue? hi luciash the one reported about tracker editing apparently we still have an issue hi lphuberdeau. sounds great! I'll test (svn up in the way...) i'm on the website and i saw xavi's error message I didn't svn today... I'm in process to update svn xavi: ok arg chealer: wait, we need to be up2date to confirm the error :) xavi: could you please give me access to your website? if it's a broken link, I want to see chealer, no problem... see pm changi_laptop: please halt the release for now chealer: the bug could be reproduced on dev.t.o a few days ago, commenting on tracker items would not work chealer: don't worry, i stopped it 30 min ago :) lphuberdeau: OK but there were fixes to links just 2 days ago I think recently, yes as far as the world was concerned, 8.0 was not released yet right? lphuberdeau: yes in the past, failed releases would get a .1 8.0.1 kind of like 1.9.10.2 tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38773 10/trunk/lang/pt-br/language.php: pt-br translation lphuberdeau: yes. +1 tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38774 10/trunk/templates/tiki-edit_article.tpl: fix translatable string well, site upgraded to r38772. xavi: still not working for me still not working for me either lphuberdeau: yes and no... no because it was not announced xavi: did you activate .htaccess edit tracker field says: Page cannot be found could just remove the tag and re-release as well tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38775 10/branches/proposals/6.x/lang/pt-br/language.php: pt-br translation xavi: may I disable SEFURLs just for testing? and edit tracker shows popup blank box with just the buttons to save and cancel, no option to edit anything from tht tracker the htaccess was modified between 7 and 8 chealer: yes, please, ok, ensuring that htaccess is updated.... lphuberdeau: as i said before yes i can drop the tag I disabled htaccess, that seemed to fix it disabled sefurl you mean? chealer: yes, working for me know uh, yes, disabled SEFURLs yes, working for me now... s/know/now sorry :) changi_laptop: OK, I think we can continue. sorry i think the htaccess is not upd2date I also rewritten htaccess with _htaccess just in case I updated a tiki-8 server from 4.2 -> 6 -> 8 (r38772) xavi: could you just update the .htacces with all new lines ? I can edit in tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php?trackerId=16 .htaccess updated again a few mins ago I 'll reenable SEFurl links, to see if the problem persists xavi: yes Yes, .htaccess changed (updates .htaccess from _htaccess) we still release a 8.1 ? chealer: ? I just edited a tracker field... ok, confirmed. latest .htaccess fixes the issues I reported with trackers I'll clean a bit the page at dev.t.o./Tiki8 all: i think WE need to insist with that HTACCESS thing about naming.... if possible (if release script adapted for 8.x.y) I suggest 8.0.1 maybe some note in tiki-install.php when doing an upgrade.... xavi: sorry, release script doesn't handle a third number anyway, I assume that in my case, it was a human error... changi_laptop: whatever then you and release manager consider the best and others, of course 8.1 :) changi_laptop: sorry. yes, let's resume I don't want to block any "flow" tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38776 10/branches/8.x/db/tiki-secdb_8.1_mysql.sql: [REL] SecDB for 8.1 changi_laptop: not a big problem, but I notice the change to copyright.txt is bogus (see lrargerich for example). any idea? thanks for all you hard work... same for you , lphuberdeau, etc chealer: what problem ? tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38777 10/trim/ (29 files in 5 dirs): Move all tiki specific scripts to scripts/tiki directory tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38778 10/trim/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] support to backup wordpress instances changi_laptop: oh, nevermind. I'm unable to read tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r38779 10/tags/8.1/: [REL] Tagging release ricks99: i found that in irc logs :) ricks99: 2011-10-06,Thu.log:[20:42] for ricks : Copyrights updated: +4 contributor(s), +2162 commit(s) (for 8.0 beta) how much additional for 8.1? ricks99: >> Copyrights updated: No new contributor, +83 commit(s) tx changi_laptop :-) we should add an automatic email send to ricks in the release script :) wait a sec... +4 contributors? thanks xavi. I had a shiver :-) surely more than 4 folks contributed to 8.x? ricks99: yes, that means 4 new committers between 7 and 8's releases (seems a little low anyway, but if the script says so...) but what i would like to know is: how many folks contributed the 2200+ code commits? wait just 2 sec i'll check ricks99: http://stats.tiki.org/tiki-featured_link.php?type=f&url=%2Fstats%2Fbranches%2F8.x%2Findex.htm just have a look 12 contributor changi_laptop: that is limited to the post-branching period though chealer: yes that the main problem of statistics : !:) changi_laptop: a question for once we're done with Tiki 8, on dev.tiki.org the session timeout is set to 300 minutes, which is quite a bit. but in practice, I'm logged out every 20 minutes of inactivity or so. can you see why? so 12 contributors from 7.3 -> 8.1? ricks99: from the moment 8 was branched, 12 people contributed to it that skips a huge part in trunk I guess ideally statistics would cover trunk from 7's release to 8.x's branching, then all that happened on branch 8.x chealer: now you believe that logging-out problem finally ? ;) luciash: hehe. I thought your problem was about remember me which session timeout is set to 300 ? chealer: well, when you are logged out, it definitely doesn't remember you :) ricks99: 7.3 should not be taken as a reference, because it's a security release ricks99: i think we should focus on 7.2 to 8.1 stuff happened in trunk between 7.0 and 7.2, which went in 8 changi_laptop: on http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-admin.php?page=general, see the Sessions section in the General settings tab, preference Session lifetime 7.2 then. fine luciash: I know you had that issue, I never noticed it since I fixed remember me and company. but I'm not using Remember me on dev I'm trying something to have relevant release notes for 8.1, renaming ReleaseNotes8.0 to ReleaseNotes8. I'm not sure what's the best way we should do release notes though needs to be 8.1, 8.2, etc. because that is the link from the installer doc.tiki.org has a 1 year "remember me". (I'm impressed and a little bit dubious) done. http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes8 http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes8.0 if you have ideas for improvement, please sure s/sure/share/ Jyhem_laptop: as it never works properly everywhere, you needn't to be worried chealer: not 100% i understand why we don't have releaseNotes8.1 anymore? files are on sf.net ricks99: ReleaseNotes8.1 is an alias to ReleaseNotes8 won't end-users be confused? they're installing 8.1, and the link for release notes says 8 curiously it somehow works in FF in Windows 7 until week ends but never remembers me in Chrome or others I re-created ReleaseNotes8.0 after renaming it to explain what happened with 8.0 luciash: not worried at all, just doubtful ricks99: well, 8.1 is 8 no. 8.1 is 8.1 (hence my query about 8.01) but perhaps the page could explain it's particularly for 8.1 it is really pity release script cannot handle 8.0.1 anymore ricks99: what do you mean? version 8.1 is 8.1 but it's also version 8 imho ReleaseNotes8.1 should *not* alias to ReleaseNotes8 8.1 may be 8.x, but it is not 8.0 i just think it is odd that the link from the 8.1 installer will go to a page titled "ReleaseNotes8" instead of ReleaseNotes8.1 ricks99: version 8 is not version 8.0 (although the converse is true) There's a difference between Tiki8 (i.e., all 8.x releases) and Release 8.0 (a rectangle is not a square, but a square is a rectangle) ricks99: it's probably strange, yes I'll ask simpilier: where are release notes for Tiki 8.1? ricks99: http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes8 That says Tiki8 -- not Tiki 8.1 ricks99: right. as I wrote, perhaps the page could explain it's particularly for 8.1 imho, most end-users will Tiki8 == Tiki 8.1 so why not leave the page as ReleaseNotes8.1? but again, I'm not sure what's the best way we should do release notes. oops: 01imho, most end-users will Tiki8 == Tiki 8.0 I guess when Tiki 8.2 gets out, it will point to ReleaseNotes8 and *then* we can have a ReleaseNotes8.1 ?? why wouldn't Tiki 8.2 point to ReleaseNotes8.2? or have i missed something completely? ricks99: well, people upgrading to 8 are looking for Tiki 8's release notes, not really 8.1's release notes. the page is more about Tiki 8 release notes than specifically about 8.1 thats why in the release notes we include a link to Tiki8 (and TIki7, etc.) Jyhem_laptop: that could be done, but my temptation would have been to create a ReleaseNotes8.2 Because there would be nothing to say in ReleaseNotes8 Or do you want ReleaseNotes8 to alias to ReleaseNotes8.2 ? ricks99: 3233 commits / 41 Contrib imho people installing Tiki 8.1 are looking for the 8.1 release notes 8.0 release notes should say " this release was removed and is no longer available" ricks99: +1 ricks99: what do you mean, the Tiki8 page on dev? no. imho, each release should have its own ReleaseNotesX.X page for the ReleaseNotes8.0 page, we need to explain that it was pulled changi_laptop: those are the numbers from 7.2 -> 8.1? ricks99: yes perfect. muchas gracias ricks99: that's pretty much was 8.0 release notes say, but feel free to rephrase ok, I have no problem with ReleaseNotes8.1 and ReleaseNotes8 just mentions which is the current version. i was just trying to explain that the current setup kinda made sense ricks99's way might be easier to figure out for users we never had a Tiki Release 8 we *did* have Tiki Release 8.0 well, if we haven't, we should hopefully have one soon :-) and 7.x is now closed, end-of-life, right? +1 for ricks99's suggestions ricks99: yes but that's another flame topic lol i'll be sending out news item Friday AM (to allow time for testing... :) ) great work all! cya tomorrow changi_laptop: oh, missed that files were uploaded... yipeee! tikiwiki: 03pkdille * r38780 10/trunk/lib/test/ (86 files in 32 dirs): No changes - code styling only (seen on quality.tiki.org) hum, maximum execution time of 30 seconds reached applying the Company Intranet profile (search) 30 or 300 ? 30 chealer: while applying the profile, or while doing a search ? it's your local configuration :) profiles is set to 300 :) Jyhem_laptop: applying the profile (but the trace shows it was refreshing search indices) heh ok need to sleep, see ya all OK changi_laptop. thank you very much hope this time is the right one :-) good night (sorry I didn't catch your announcement earlier) 8.1 doesn't look bad, but I'll test a tad more this time :-S just wondering why I'm not seeing the Wiki menu in the Application menu as Registered ah. clearing Tiki cache helped :-/ seems to good to me (bz2 tested on Apache and MySQL 5.1 on Debian testing with Iceweasel 7) hi marc hi luciash! that was a lenghty lunch ;)