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iangold: !help
Tiki|bot: You can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tiki.org/TikiBot .
iangold: help
anyone there
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Bernard1: iangold: hi, what's the matter
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Merbster: Greetings Tiki enthusiasts :)
iangold: All is ggod. I actually wanted to talk to Rob Plummer, who I gather is still sleeping. But I havn't used this before and wanted to check I had gotten to the right place.
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Tiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Trackers, imprimir el contingut d'un tracker - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=16&comments_parentId=42616
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Tiki|bot: New Forum Posts: ActualitzaciĆ³ de versiĆ³ - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=16&comments_parentId=42619
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arildb: Hi, in my Tiki 8.x installation, the page titles seem to be links and thus get a different font. Maybe it has been this before too. However, the link causes a differnet font, and I am not really linterested to link to the page I am already viewing. I would like to remove the title link. Does anybody know how?
Jyhem: arildb: Admin -> Admin Home -> Wiki -> Set all preference filters -> First tab, "Page Display" section has everything you want to configure.
Shortcut: tiki-admin.php?page=wiki
arildb: Jyhem: thanks
Jyhem: np
arildb: Jyhem: I cannot find an option to disable link creation for the page title
Jyhem: you can disable the page title, or replace it with a smaller, "out of the page" title, or the page ID, but they are all links, I think
For no link at all, remove all title options and type the tite in the page editor
as a !tilte
arildb: thanks again
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helpy: can anyone tell me how to open yahoo new like webservices
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iangold: Does anyone know if Robert Plumber has been around the last couple of days. I'm trying to get in touch with him
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Merbster: iangold, I haven't seen him online recently. But what is it about - maybe someone else can answer your question.
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chealer: polom
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Jyhem: polom
rodrigoprimo: polom
anyone experienced problems with images in img/wiki_up/ when the file name have special characters?
I'm upgrading a Tiki from 2.4 to 6.4 and all the images in img/wiki_up/ that have special characters in their names are not being displayed.
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Tiki|bot: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4043 - - {img} plugin does not work if image file name has special characters - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=4043
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xavi: polom
I need some help with trackers in tiki 8
I can't edit them in a tiki ste upgraded from tiki6 to tiki8
reported issues here: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8
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changi: chealer: hi
do i need to repackage 8.0 ?
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chealer: hi changi!
changi: yes, let's release Tiki 8 for real now
changi_laptop: i can scratch the 8.0 tag
to recreate a new one
chealer: changi: I removed 7.3 and 8.0, but as 8.0 was available for some time, i think we should call it 8.1.
changi_laptop: i think it would be better
chealer: it could be 8.0.1 too but as there was a week of fixed between both I think 8.1 is warranted and simpler
s/fixed/fixes/
changi_laptop: ok for 8.1
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chealer: hi ricks99
ricks99: hiya chealer
chealer: ricks99: changi_laptop just arrived, we're releasing 8 for real now
ricks99: as 8.0 or 8.01 or something else?
chealer: ricks99: 8.1
ricks99: ok. i'll prep the news item. pls take a look and update as needed.
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chealer: wuhu!
-: chealer goes to eat something but will be back soon
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xavi: +1 for calling it 8.0.1 and not 8.1
ricks99: too late now :(
xavi: even if we might be out of time for that now
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ricks99: changi: do u have stats from 7.3 -> 8.1 (# contributors, # commits)?
xavi: we use to say for upgrades, wait until x.1 is released for upgrading production sites...
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xavi: but this case is a fake x.1 release
ricks99: ?
xavi: it still has serious issues, imho, with trackers, at least
ricks99: ah yes.. totall agree
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xavi: so calling it 8.1 will go against our marketing strategy, or reputation, or whatever you can call that...
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-: xavi wish I could downgrade a semi-production site down from 8.x to 7.x or 6.x :-/
changi_laptop: xavi: ricks99: it's still time to stop release
ricks99: +1 for 8.01
imho
xavi: I wonder if it's only me finding serious isues with trackers still (from sites upgraded from 6.x)
-: ricks99 staying on 6LTS for most sites
xavi: I mean, every time I test some things , I find issues (some serious)... but I have the sensation that those issues were not reported as regressions or so, not because there were no regressions, but because no one had tested that...
changi_laptop: xavi: don't you think it's the tracker revamp from LpH which need more configuration to get it work ?
xavi: so I have the sensation that we are running too fast with (untested properly) releases...
everytime I can invest some time to test something (a fake upgrade from a production site), I get to the conclusion that some important feature is broken, etc.
I had that sensation when 7.x was released... and now again when 8.x is released. I feel as If , in case of wiling to upgrade, I should upgrade to 7.x.... but 7.x reaches end of life soon (if not already)...
changi_laptop: i'm only the packager, if the release coordinater say that we can release => I release :)
rodrigoprimo: hi xavi
xavi: yes, changi_laptop, I agree, and thanks for your work. same for you, chealer, thanks for your work
ricks99: changi_laptop: can we hold of for just a second or two. Xavi: want to send email to dev list explaining why 8.01 is better naming?
xavi: don't take this criticism personally, it's just that I'm wondering ... aren't wee all running too fast, based on the results of the bugs and issues (missconfigurations? ...) found in new releases that we push to release.
ricks99: I'm worried not as much with the name as with the fact that I can't edit trackers in a production site that I tried to upgrade to 8.x
rodrigoprimo: xavi: just checking here if you saw the private messages I sent you
xavi: and the worries are not for that site (I have some backup handy somewhere not too old)... but with the fact that no one (it seems) did hit that isues before, becuase (probably) they didn't try yet
ricks99: xavi: i believe current version is meant to inherently be less stable than LTS
xavi: rodrigoprimo: yes, I saw them (sorry, I don't remember all my messages to you in the last days)
rodrigoprimo: xavi: ok
xavi: mmm, I wrote earlier today (8 h ago or so) something in http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8 that to me looks like a blocker.... related to trackers
aren't we running so much that we are to release 8.01 or 8.1 and we didn't pay attention to a potential blocker for a release of 8.x?
chealer: re
hi xavi
changi_laptop: chealer: just in time :)
chealer: xavi: I couldn't reproduce your user messages regression ( http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki8#Undetermined )
xavi: I mostly worried with the unability to perform tracker edition and tracker field edition
anyone willing to test it on site?
anyone willing to debug that? (I can provide a db dump)
chealer: xavi: I moved the issue from Blockers to Possible regressions
xavi: if that happenend to me, how many hidden issues are still to be found when people start (attempting) to use 8.0 or worse, 8.1?
chealer: xavi: oops, forget that
xavi: ok, if that is all that we want to do with poential serous issues....
good luck and lots of wisdom.... (we need that)
chealer: xavi: on that blocker I just asked for evidence that it is a Tiki 8 regression. but it's too late now anyway
xavi: I'm tired
changi_laptop: xavi: do you have an account that we can use on your website
xavi: yes
hold on...
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lphuberdeau: changi, chealer: I think the issue was fixed since in 8.x
I had found an issue in smarty_block_self_link or smarty_function_query that broke most links out there and ajax calls
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luciash: polom
chealer: hi lphuberdeau. you're talkin about xavi's issue?
hi luciash
lphuberdeau: the one reported about tracker editing
changi_laptop: apparently we still have an issue
xavi: hi lphuberdeau. sounds great! I'll test (svn up in the way...)
changi_laptop: i'm on the website and i saw xavi's error message
xavi: I didn't svn today...
I'm in process to update svn
changi_laptop: xavi: ok
chealer: arg
changi_laptop: chealer: wait, we need to be up2date to confirm the error :)
chealer: xavi: could you please give me access to your website? if it's a broken link, I want to see
xavi: chealer, no problem...
see pm
chealer: changi_laptop: please halt the release for now
lphuberdeau: chealer: the bug could be reproduced on dev.t.o a few days ago, commenting on tracker items would not work
changi_laptop: chealer: don't worry, i stopped it 30 min ago :)
chealer: lphuberdeau: OK but there were fixes to links just 2 days ago I think
lphuberdeau: recently, yes
as far as the world was concerned, 8.0 was not released yet right?
changi_laptop: lphuberdeau: yes
lphuberdeau: in the past, failed releases would get a .1
8.0.1
kind of like 1.9.10.2
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xavi: lphuberdeau: yes. +1
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xavi: well, site upgraded to r38772.
changi_laptop: xavi: still not working for me
xavi: still not working for me either
chealer: lphuberdeau: yes and no... no because it was not announced
changi_laptop: xavi: did you activate .htaccess
xavi: edit tracker field says: Page cannot be found
lphuberdeau: could just remove the tag and re-release as well
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chealer: xavi: may I disable SEFURLs just for testing?
xavi: and edit tracker shows popup blank box with just the buttons to save and cancel, no option to edit anything from tht tracker
lphuberdeau: the htaccess was modified between 7 and 8
xavi: chealer: yes, please,
ok, ensuring that htaccess is updated....
changi_laptop: lphuberdeau: as i said before yes i can drop the tag
chealer: I disabled htaccess, that seemed to fix it
lphuberdeau: disabled sefurl you mean?
changi_laptop: chealer: yes, working for me know
chealer: uh, yes, disabled SEFURLs
xavi: yes, working for me now...
changi_laptop: s/know/now sorry
:)
chealer: changi_laptop: OK, I think we can continue. sorry
changi_laptop: i think the htaccess is not upd2date
xavi: I also rewritten htaccess with _htaccess just in case
Jyhem_laptop: I updated a tiki-8 server from 4.2 -> 6 -> 8 (r38772)
changi_laptop: xavi: could you just update the .htacces with all new lines ?
Jyhem_laptop: I can edit in tiki-admin_tracker_fields.php?trackerId=16
xavi: .htaccess updated again a few mins ago
I 'll reenable SEFurl links, to see if the problem persists
changi_laptop: xavi: yes
Jyhem_laptop: Yes, .htaccess changed (updates .htaccess from _htaccess)
changi_laptop: we still release a 8.1 ?
chealer: ?
Jyhem_laptop: I just edited a tracker field...
xavi: ok, confirmed. latest .htaccess fixes the issues I reported
with trackers
I'll clean a bit the page at dev.t.o./Tiki8
changi_laptop: all: i think WE need to insist with that HTACCESS thing
xavi: about naming.... if possible (if release script adapted for 8.x.y) I suggest 8.0.1
maybe some note in tiki-install.php when doing an upgrade....
changi_laptop: xavi: sorry, release script doesn't handle a third number
xavi: anyway, I assume that in my case, it was a human error...
changi_laptop: whatever then you and release manager consider the best
and others, of course
changi_laptop: 8.1 :)
chealer: changi_laptop: sorry. yes, let's resume
xavi: I don't want to block any "flow"
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chealer: changi_laptop: not a big problem, but I notice the change to copyright.txt is bogus (see lrargerich for example). any idea?
xavi: thanks for all you hard work... same for you , lphuberdeau, etc
changi_laptop: chealer: what problem ?
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tikiwiki: 03sampaioprimo * r38778 10/trim/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NEW] support to backup wordpress instances
chealer: changi_laptop: oh, nevermind. I'm unable to read
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changi_laptop: ricks99: i found that in irc logs :)
ricks99: 2011-10-06,Thu.log:[20:42] <changi|release> for ricks : Copyrights updated: +4 contributor(s), +2162 commit(s)
chealer: (for 8.0 beta)
ricks99: how much additional for 8.1?
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changi_laptop: ricks99: >> Copyrights updated: No new contributor, +83 commit(s)
ricks99: tx changi_laptop :-)
changi_laptop: we should add an automatic email send to ricks in the release script :)
ricks99: wait a sec... +4 contributors?
chealer: thanks xavi. I had a shiver :-)
ricks99: surely more than 4 folks contributed to 8.x?
chealer: ricks99: yes, that means 4 new committers between 7 and 8's releases
(seems a little low anyway, but if the script says so...)
ricks99: but what i would like to know is: how many folks contributed the 2200+ code commits?
changi_laptop: wait just 2 sec
i'll check
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changi_laptop: ricks99: http://stats.tiki.org/tiki-featured_link.php?type=f&url=%2Fstats%2Fbranches%2F8.x%2Findex.htm
just have a look
12 contributor
chealer: changi_laptop: that is limited to the post-branching period though
changi_laptop: chealer: yes that the main problem of statistics :
!:)
chealer: changi_laptop: a question for once we're done with Tiki 8, on dev.tiki.org the session timeout is set to 300 minutes, which is quite a bit. but in practice, I'm logged out every 20 minutes of inactivity or so. can you see why?
ricks99: so 12 contributors from 7.3 -> 8.1?
chealer: ricks99: from the moment 8 was branched, 12 people contributed to it
lphuberdeau: that skips a huge part in trunk
chealer: I guess ideally statistics would cover trunk from 7's release to 8.x's branching, then all that happened on branch 8.x
luciash: chealer: now you believe that logging-out problem finally ? ;)
chealer: luciash: hehe. I thought your problem was about remember me
changi_laptop: which session timeout is set to 300 ?
luciash: chealer: well, when you are logged out, it definitely doesn't remember you
:)
changi_laptop: ricks99: 7.3 should not be taken as a reference, because it's a security release
ricks99: i think we should focus on 7.2 to 8.1
lphuberdeau: stuff happened in trunk between 7.0 and 7.2, which went in 8
chealer: changi_laptop: on http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-admin.php?page=general, see the Sessions section in the General settings tab, preference Session lifetime
ricks99: 7.2 then. fine
chealer: luciash: I know you had that issue, I never noticed it since I fixed remember me and company. but I'm not using Remember me on dev
I'm trying something to have relevant release notes for 8.1, renaming ReleaseNotes8.0 to ReleaseNotes8. I'm not sure what's the best way we should do release notes though
ricks99: needs to be 8.1, 8.2, etc.
because that is the link from the installer
Jyhem_laptop: doc.tiki.org has a 1 year "remember me". (I'm impressed and a little bit dubious)
chealer: done. http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes8 http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes8.0
if you have ideas for improvement, please sure
s/sure/share/
luciash: Jyhem_laptop: as it never works properly everywhere, you needn't to be worried
ricks99: chealer: not 100% i understand why we don't have releaseNotes8.1 anymore?
changi_laptop: files are on sf.net
chealer: ricks99: ReleaseNotes8.1 is an alias to ReleaseNotes8
ricks99: won't end-users be confused? they're installing 8.1, and the link for release notes says 8
luciash: curiously it somehow works in FF in Windows 7 until week ends but never remembers me in Chrome or others
chealer: I re-created ReleaseNotes8.0 after renaming it to explain what happened with 8.0
Jyhem_laptop: luciash: not worried at all, just doubtful
chealer: ricks99: well, 8.1 is 8
ricks99: no. 8.1 is 8.1 (hence my query about 8.01)
chealer: but perhaps the page could explain it's particularly for 8.1
luciash: it is really pity release script cannot handle 8.0.1 anymore
chealer: ricks99: what do you mean? version 8.1 is 8.1 but it's also version 8
ricks99: imho ReleaseNotes8.1 should *not* alias to ReleaseNotes8
8.1 may be 8.x, but it is not 8.0
i just think it is odd that the link from the 8.1 installer will go to a page titled "ReleaseNotes8" instead of ReleaseNotes8.1
chealer: ricks99: version 8 is not version 8.0 (although the converse is true)
ricks99: There's a difference between Tiki8 (i.e., all 8.x releases) and Release 8.0
chealer: (a rectangle is not a square, but a square is a rectangle)
ricks99: it's probably strange, yes
ricks99: I'll ask simpilier: where are release notes for Tiki 8.1?
chealer: ricks99: http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes8
ricks99: That says Tiki8 -- not Tiki 8.1
chealer: ricks99: right. as I wrote, perhaps the page could explain it's particularly for 8.1
ricks99: imho, most end-users will Tiki8 == Tiki 8.1
so why not leave the page as ReleaseNotes8.1?
chealer: but again, I'm not sure what's the best way we should do release notes.
ricks99: oops: 01imho, most end-users will Tiki8 == Tiki 8.0
Jyhem_laptop: I guess when Tiki 8.2 gets out, it will point to ReleaseNotes8 and *then* we can have a ReleaseNotes8.1
ricks99: ?? why wouldn't Tiki 8.2 point to ReleaseNotes8.2?
or have i missed something completely?
chealer: ricks99: well, people upgrading to 8 are looking for Tiki 8's release notes, not really 8.1's release notes. the page is more about Tiki 8 release notes than specifically about 8.1
ricks99: thats why in the release notes we include a link to Tiki8 (and TIki7, etc.)
chealer: Jyhem_laptop: that could be done, but my temptation would have been to create a ReleaseNotes8.2
Jyhem_laptop: Because there would be nothing to say in ReleaseNotes8 Or do you want ReleaseNotes8 to alias to ReleaseNotes8.2 ?
changi_laptop: ricks99: 3233 commits / 41 Contrib
ricks99: imho people installing Tiki 8.1 are looking for the 8.1 release notes
8.0 release notes should say " this release was removed and is no longer available"
changi_laptop: ricks99: +1
chealer: ricks99: what do you mean, the Tiki8 page on dev?
ricks99: no.
imho, each release should have its own ReleaseNotesX.X page
for the ReleaseNotes8.0 page, we need to explain that it was pulled
changi_laptop: those are the numbers from 7.2 -> 8.1?
changi_laptop: ricks99: yes
ricks99: perfect. muchas gracias
chealer: ricks99: that's pretty much was 8.0 release notes say, but feel free to rephrase
Jyhem_laptop: ok, I have no problem with ReleaseNotes8.1 and ReleaseNotes8 just mentions which is the current version. i was just trying to explain that the current setup kinda made sense
ricks99's way might be easier to figure out for users
-: ricks99 doesn't see the need for ReleaseNotes8. We have ReleaseNotes8.0, ReleaseNotes8. etc.
ricks99: we never had a Tiki Release 8
we *did* have Tiki Release 8.0
-: Jyhem_laptop agrees to do it the way ricks99 just suggested
chealer: well, if we haven't, we should hopefully have one soon :-)
ricks99: and 7.x is now closed, end-of-life, right?
luciash: +1 for ricks99's suggestions
chealer: ricks99: yes
-: luciash is also confused by TikiFestFoo8 ;)
luciash: but that's another flame topic
ricks99: lol
i'll be sending out news item Friday AM (to allow time for testing... :) )
great work all! cya tomorrow
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chealer: changi_laptop: oh, missed that files were uploaded...
-: chealer downloading the bz2
chealer: yipeee!
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chealer: hum, maximum execution time of 30 seconds reached applying the Company Intranet profile (search)
changi_laptop: 30 or 300 ?
chealer: 30
Jyhem_laptop: chealer: while applying the profile, or while doing a search ?
changi_laptop: it's your local configuration
:)
profiles is set to 300 :)
chealer: Jyhem_laptop: applying the profile (but the trace shows it was refreshing search indices)
heh
changi_laptop: ok need to sleep, see ya all
chealer: OK changi_laptop. thank you very much
hope this time is the right one :-)
good night
(sorry I didn't catch your announcement earlier)
8.1 doesn't look bad, but I'll test a tad more this time :-S
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chealer: just wondering why I'm not seeing the Wiki menu in the Application menu as Registered
ah. clearing Tiki cache helped :-/
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chealer: seems to good to me (bz2 tested on Apache and MySQL 5.1 on Debian testing with Iceweasel 7)
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luciash: hi marc
marclaporte: hi luciash!
luciash: that was a lenghty lunch ;)