#tikiwiki 2012-03-12,Mon

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DarkSlider	joined #tikiwiki Anyone have any experience with the structures TOC plugin?	[8:8]
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Jenser	good morning found a bug in creating a new wiki page -> creating a new page -> typing name if you type there a forbidden character (such as &) and continue, you will be forwarded to the "page editing" window on top of this is the "rename" window for the wiki page (same as standalone "rename" window") unfortunately there's no "apply change" AND there's no "save" button for the editor part of this page http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8942/tikiwikinameaendern.jpg	[10:37]
JoernOtt	What happens, if you change the name and click preview?	[10:52]
Jenser	i get the preview still with the wrong name and yet no "save" button or something helpful "discard changes" leads to "site not known" (tiki is trying to open the "renamed" site	[10:52]
JoernOtt	I just tested it in a trunk installation and can confirm the missing button However, I fixed the name (removed the &) and pressed return afterwards and that returned to the "normal" page This behaviour is not intuitive, so you should file a bug and request a "change" button next to the rename box	[10:55]
Jenser	gonna search for the "bug corner" :D	[11:0]
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	grml login @ dev.tiki.org drops error (done - my fault)	[11:16]
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Jenser	when searching - is it possible to keep "highlighting" toggled on when clicking on a page found by the search engine? -> when searching for "paul" and finding a page containing it - i'd like to have highlighted "paul" not only in the site-preview but also in this page...	[12:2]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4180 - - "Change" and "Save" buttons are missing when typing a "new wiki page" name with forbidden chars (such as &) and proceeding to the editor-page for this site. - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=4180	[12:6]
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JoernOtt	Jenser, afaik this is already happening. A customer of mine complains about that. He has the "Highlight results snippets" button deactivated on the Search page and the text in the pages is highlighted nonetheless	[12:27]
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Jenser	"this is happening" means it's gonna be in the next release?	[12:51]
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ricks99	Jenser: should be available already in 8.x and 6LTS	[13:14]
DarkSlider	Found a bug in Structures TOC plugin, not sure if its isolated with me or widespread. When the option "shownum" is off, bullets are not being displayed, the TOC is just being listed as an unformatted list of links	[13:24]
ricks99	i haven't seen that. i nevery use numbers, and my {toc} plugin seems fine. maybe you're using a customized sytle?	[13:29]
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DarkSlider	no custom style, just a profile from tiki, and the darkroom theme you can see it here www.dtsleech.com/wiki I will take off the numbers numbers are off	[13:39]
ricks99	in the darkroom theme, it appears that there are no bullets for non-numbered lists. see line 1370 of darkroom.css list-style-type=none; you could modify css as needed. probably want to maintin the margin-left, too ricks99 not too familiar with the darkroom theme	[13:42]
Jyhem	Jyhem thinks sylvieg uses darkroom	[13:51]
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Jenser	ricks99 how to i get the search working as i want it? i am running 8.3 and "highighting" is not "forwarded"	[14:24]
ricks99	Nothing extra to do... beleive that is the way it is "supposed" to work you have the option enabled, right?	[14:26]
Jenser	highlighting does work typing my search term to the search box and hitting enter leads me to the "found documents" there the search terms are highlighted as i want it but now clicking one of these documents opens them - but without highlighting the search term anymore	[14:27]
ricks99	works on tiki.org/home site, nothing additional to configure. two things to check: 1. when you click the document (from the search results), is there a ....&highlight=foo in your URL?	[14:30]
Jenser	nope	[14:31]
ricks99	2. Are you using a custom style? do you have the necesary highlight classes?	[14:31]
Jenser	from start page (https://172.16.20.209/tiki-my_tiki.php) i type my search string into search box so i get search string in url... https://172.16.20.209/tiki-searchindex.php?highlight=test&where=pages&search=Los now i have forum posts, wiki pages,... highlighted as suggested to	[14:32]
ricks99	you're using searchindex instead of searchresults.php. are you using tiki search or mysql?	[14:34]
Jenser	MySQL full text search is off incremental hex update is off tokenize version numers is off unified search engine is lucene (php implementation) there's nothing else to choose	[14:35]
ricks99	ah.. lucene search is still under development... not sure if highlighting is fully supported. you can turn on the mysql full-text search iirc, you can run both, together, without any issues	[14:36]
Jenser	perfect thanks a lot	[14:37]
ricks99	you're welcome	[14:37]
Jenser	anyway one more question to the search theme how to include trackers...?	[14:37]
ricks99	1. confirm that user has perm to access tracker	[14:38]
Jenser	i am searching as admin right now	[14:38]
ricks99	2. confirm that the fields of the tracker have the SEARCH option enabled	[14:38]
Jenser	how to enable/disable this?	[14:39]
ricks99	#2? edit the tracker fields	[14:39]
Jenser	search doesn't even find the tracker's name	[14:40]
ricks99	must have at least 1 field in the tracker that is searchable and search results are for tracker items -- not actual tracker (iirc)	[14:40]
Jenser	perfect works fine	[14:42]
ricks99	:)	[14:43]
Jenser	next problem ... :) searching for something via search box	[14:44]
ricks99	ricks99 runs to get another cup of coffee first... :)	[14:44]
Jenser	as a user not allowed to read all content searching for search string included in a (for me invisible) post / wiki page makes tikiwiki show me a preview of this page clicking on this leads to a "not allowed" as intended stop stop stop could it be that the "mysql search engine" works better in this point? seems like everythings fine right now	[14:45]
ricks99	confirm that you have the "Ignore individual object permissions " option disabled. afaik, tiki should not show you any search results that you don't have the abilty to access	[14:50]
Jenser	ignore is off	[14:51]
ricks99	sounds like a bug then	[14:51]
Jenser	as mentionned - now it's working fine	[14:51]
ricks99	check the bug reports, possbily a known issue? oh... possibly related to lucene then.	[14:51]
Jenser	yap switched back to lucene same behaviour reason could be that "ignore individual object permissions" belongs to MySQL Full-Text Search	[14:54]
ricks99	+1	[14:58]
Jenser	so toggling this off -> ...	[14:58]
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Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4181 - - "Ignore individual object permissions" not working for Lucene Engine - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=4181	[15:17]
DarkSlider	joined #tikiwiki hey ricks99. thanks for the help earlier. wondering if you might help figure out the next mystery on this one lol :P changed the padding on it to create the indent, and set line-type-style to square yet still no bullets lol	[15:18]
ricks99	1 sec and i'll take a look	[15:20]
DarkSlider	no rush, gonna grab a cig	[15:20]
ricks99	DarkSlider: try adding this to the look & feel custom css: .toc * {padding-left:1em;list-style-type: square;}	[15:24]
DarkSlider	thanks that worked, just have to modify the padding a bit	[15:28]
ricks99	no problem. if you're new to css, check out the w3c tutorials: http://www.w3schools.com/css/	[15:29]
DarkSlider	Nah Im good with css, was just trying to edit the actual .css file, and it wasnt taking. Putting it in the custom css field worked :) Just new to tiki lol	[15:30]
ricks99	cool note that with the look & feel page, you can modify almost anythihg from within Tiki -- no more FTPing	[15:32]
DarkSlider	While im in here, any way to use the custom CSS field to mod certain lines of the TOC bullets with images while leaving the others circles. I know I would do it with the css, but Im not sure how I would tell tiki to look for li class a instead of li yeah thats a pretty clever page, I like it	[15:33]
ricks99	can use the :first-child and :last-child pseudo-elemnts. is that what you mean?	[15:34]
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Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop is comparing menustructure and menu	[15:40]
ricks99	ricks99 would love it if Jyhem_laptop could make Menu (when using a structure) show the top-most node first (that is, the Structure ID)	[15:41]
Jyhem_laptop	That's exactly the thing I wondered if I could not find or was not there ! Amazingly, menustructure also did not have it	[15:43]
ricks99	there's also a bug ive been trying to figure out... if you put an invalid structure ID, tiki does show the top-most, but for all structures and sometimes the links don't generate very odd	[15:43]
Jyhem_laptop	I guess the top-most must be some kind of "0" structure. I saw that while putting the structure "name" instead of the structure number	[15:45]
DarkSlider	sorry was smoking lol. I am guessing that is what I mean. Since the list starts with <li> (<ul> being the title of the structure) I want to be able to differentiate between a first paeg <li> and its sub <li> set	[15:45]
ricks99	ricks99 Happy that Jyhem_laptop is on it. I'm 100% sure it will be fixed :)	[15:45]
Jyhem_laptop	So far, the only difference I see is, menustructure expects the structure name (otherwise it displays an error), and menu expects the number (otherwise it displays all structures) Plus, menu has more display control features Right now, I'm interested in USING it for my customers site :-)	[15:46]
ricks99	lol. ricks99 still keeping his fingers crossed that Jyhem can fix it :) DarkCalf you can specify the first level as ul.toc li.toclevel {....} and second level as ul.toc li.toclevel ul.toc li.toclevel {....} etc. this allows you to style each level differenctlt	[15:47]
Jyhem_laptop	UI-wise, I suppose the sensible thing would be that the top-most node is the default menu title, and the menu title is a link to the top-most node. Does that look intuitive ? Adding one more level would be silly, since the top-most node would be alone using the space for the top level	[15:49]
ricks99	Jyhem_laptop: depends. if you only want to show a single structure, then yes. but i have a use case where I want to show several structures in a single module	[15:50]
Jyhem_laptop	and in case of suckerfish, you would only see the top-most node	[15:50]
ricks99	i want to have a different (non-structure) module title, and have each strcture start with its top-most node	[15:50]
DarkSlider	K thnanks ricks	[15:51]
Jyhem_laptop	in a single menu module ??? How do you achieve that ?	[15:51]
ricks99	using multiple MODULE plugins in a custom module {module module="menu" notitle="y" nobox="y" structureId="1" type="vert"}{module module="menu" notitle="y" nobox="y" structureId="2" type="vert"} etc	[15:51]
Jyhem_laptop	is that inside a page ?	[15:54]
ricks99	no. in a custom module simply requires that "must be wiki parsed" be enabled have a use case for a site with multiple structures, but wan'ts a single navigation module to include all four ... all four structures	[15:55]
Jyhem_laptop	so for now you have to do ((top node of struct 1)){module module="menu" notitle="y" nobox="y" structureId="1" type="vert"}((top node of struct 2)){module module="menu" notitle="y" nobox="y" structureId="2" type="vert"} etc ? only it does not show structures as dynamic suckerfish sub-folders, I guess	[16:0]
ricks99	y, it works fine... but it shows the first level of items for each stucutre. what i want is it to show only the structure name	[16:2]
Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop also wants a solution that looks nice for a single structure, which is kind of the majority use	[16:2]
ricks99	for a single structure, doesn't it work fine? it does for me	[16:3]
Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop feels a bunch of additional options are coming for a single structure, there is no mention or link to the top-most node unless I include the top-most node as the first item in the structure from which it is the top-most node	[16:4]
ricks99	ahh.. yes. i see your issue now. i get around that by using a custom module and manually adding a link to the structure top so, my custom module looks like: ((link to my top-node)) 02{module module="menu" notitle="y" nobox="y" structureId="XXX" type="vert"} 01	[16:6]
Jyhem_laptop	That's about exactly what I would expect the menu to do by itself. No user is going to figure that out :-( Jyhem_laptop tries it now	[16:8]
ricks99	add that to the long list of things that I'd expect tiki to just "do"	[16:8]
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Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop realises that custom modules have really made things simpler. Nice Jyhem_laptop spent too much time on Tiki 3 and 6 :-(	[16:12]
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hammer	joined #tikiwiki hello guys is LDAP possible on wiki ? does anyone run it ?	[17:21]
JoernOtt	hammer, I use openLDAP for user authentication and I managed to get user auth running with Active Directory, but no group sync	[17:29]
hammer	Perfect but how u manage the group permission after ?	[17:30]
JoernOtt	usually groups are synchronized with LDAP, but I never used it for that	[17:31]
hammer	is this enough for me as documentation ? is that all what i should do ? http://doc.tiki.org/LDAP+authentication	[17:31]
JoernOtt	yes but you need to be very precise.	[17:33]
hammer	what do u mean ?	[17:33]
JoernOtt	I always turn on logging, so I can see when things are failing	[17:35]
hammer	let see i have 4 groups , how would i assign the permission after ? i need some users to have access to group 1 others to group 2	[17:35]
JoernOtt	After you did the LDAP setup, try to login with a user from LDAP (preferably with a 2nd browser, not another tab), so you can look into the log with the admin user on the first browser If everything goes all right, the groups from LDAP have been created in tiki then you can assign permissions to the groups Every time a user logs in via LDAP account, the ldap groups are being replicated (and afaik also the user/group membership	[17:41]
hammer	but the groups i am talking about are in my tiki now i think understood me wrong corrct me if i am wrong too	[17:43]
JoernOtt	well, as soon as the user has logged on, he is created in tiki. you have to assign him to those groups	[17:43]
hammer	correct that means i have to assign it to each one who signs in ?	[17:43]
JoernOtt	yes, unless the groups are synchronized from ldap	[17:44]
hammer	Oh cool i ll do some research on that synch Thank you :) my only problem now is I am updating from 2.2 to 8.3 i went to 3.8 then 6.5 but still having encoding problem with database	[17:44]
JoernOtt	when running the installer, there is some "fix database double encoding" setting which can fix some of those issues	[17:46]
hammer	beleive me i tried them and still :)	[17:46]
JoernOtt	so, the original database encoding was what?	[17:47]
hammer	swedish latin	[17:47]
JoernOtt	ok	[17:47]
hammer	could be that ?	[17:47]
JoernOtt	and the connection between tiki and db was also latin1? or was it UTF8?	[17:47]
hammer	it was YTF8 UTF8 that explain y ?	[17:48]
JoernOtt	so, you stored UTF8 data but mysql believed, it was latin1 (using phpmyadmin you see weird umlauts)	[17:48]
hammer	ok in my original 2.2 on phpmyadmin	[17:49]
JoernOtt	yes	[17:49]
hammer	mysql charset is UTF8	[17:50]
JoernOtt	next step is to make sure that the settings for the 3.8 database are identical (wrong/messed up)	[17:50]
hammer	but when i click on my database the collation is latin1 under structure	[17:50]
JoernOtt	and if you look into the tables via phpmyadmin, the special characters are messed up	[17:51]
hammer	in original 2.2 u mean ?	[17:51]
JoernOtt	yes	[17:52]
hammer	ummm let's say i go to user-s permission table where do i see that ?	[17:52]
JoernOtt	well, you should rather look into tiki-pages which contains longer texts the user permissions are mostly numbers	[17:53]
hammer	oh wait i am under tiki pages that has too many pages	[17:53]
JoernOtt	just open one entry and look at the text or maybe, you have a page where the name contains special characters	[17:57]
hammer	ok i opened up one page	[17:58]
CIA-36	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r40126 10/trunk/lib/core/Services/Tracker/Controller.php: tikiwiki: Trackers: Remove execution time limit when exporting items tikiwiki: Taken from tiki-export_tracker.php	[17:59]
hammer	alt="Help"} !!Welcome to the Admin Homepage! !{img src=pics/icons/help.png alt="Help"}	[17:59]
JoernOtt	that is all readable and English. there are no umlauts or exotic characters	[18:0]
hammer	is that normal ?	[18:0]
JoernOtt	yes that is normal HTML/tiki syntax which language are you using	[18:0]
hammer	english	[18:1]
JoernOtt	because English with its limited characters should not have any encoding problems	[18:1]
hammer	yea weird could be becuause of the collation ?	[18:1]
JoernOtt	so, what do the pages look like after an upgrade?	[18:1]
hammer	only the main page that has a problem where I have a menu	[18:2]
JoernOtt	what is the problem there?	[18:2]
hammer	it shows {abdbsbhgsbshshsbshsbsbhssjissioisjosos} stuff like that could be because of the menu table : {MENUTABLE()} ? it is everything between the {MENUTABLE()}	[18:2]
JoernOtt	that look more like a problem with the plugin menutable not an encoding problem	[18:5]
hammer	Oh how can I fix that ?	[18:5]
JoernOtt	well, first of all, have a look at the plugins admin page and see if the plugin is enabled	[18:6]
hammer	Oh	[18:6]
ricks99	hammer: there were many changes to plugin structures from 2.x -> 3.x	[18:6]
JoernOtt	I can't remember a plugin of that name, so maybe it has become deprecated some time ago	[18:6]
ricks99	check relese notes for details on upgrading	[18:6]
hammer	Oh is it under Admin home ? Now at least i knw it is not an encoding problem	[18:7]
JoernOtt	yes, there is a tab edit/plugins	[18:8]
CIA-36	tikiwiki: 03chealer * r40127 10/branches/8.x/lib/core/Services/Tracker/Controller.php: tikiwiki: [bp/r40126]Trackers: Remove execution time limit when exporting items tikiwiki: Tiki 6 exportation used to have this	[18:9]
hammer	i dont see it ........i see features , general , login , look and feel etcc	[18:10]
ricks99	hammer: see docs: http://doc.tiki.org/Text+area&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide	[18:11]
JoernOtt	what comes after Look & Feel?	[18:11]
hammer	Thank u Rick	[18:11]
JoernOtt	I see there "Editing and Plugins"	[18:11]
hammer	i18n text area, module, meta tags.......	[18:11]
JoernOtt	so, you upgraded to which version?	[18:12]
hammer	I am looking at 2.2 now in my test i was using 8.2 the last one but i m not in the Lab now for testing Lab env does not have access to this freechat, blocked	[18:12]
JoernOtt	well, on 8.2, there is that tab (it did not exist in 2.2)	[18:13]
hammer	so i am here at my desk OHHHHHHHHHH I see :) I will look into that then and see if it is enabled that's all what i should look for ?	[18:13]
JoernOtt	there is a very long list of plugins	[18:14]
hammer	Perfect I will look into that	[18:14]
JoernOtt	and for each plugin, you can see "enabled" and "make plugin inline" and some info	[18:14]
hammer	btw there is also 1 mote thing “ ” this char does not work in 8.2 u know why ? or how i can fix it ? some employee used this : “ ”	[18:14]
JoernOtt	well, I see a space between the ""	[18:15]
hammer	to put thier procedure online therer is a words in between sorry like " “Next” or “Server Management”. this si whow it is how it is	[18:15]
JoernOtt	hehe, this is an encoding problem then because it is not a standard ascii character	[18:16]
hammer	lol any fix?	[18:17]
NachoMahmaway	I'd try using "" instead of “”	[18:17]
hammer	from now on i will	[18:17]
ricks99	hammer: encoding issues when upgrading from versions prior to 3.x are common. Pls see the release notes for the fixes	[18:17]
hammer	but what to do with dozens of pages Perfect Thank you guys I really appreciate your help : Joe, Rick :) and nacho chips :P	[18:18]
NachoMahmaway	:)	[18:18]
ricks99	good luck :)	[18:18]
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hammer	btw wchich plugin use the Menutable ? lol too many	[18:34]
ricks99	what is "menutable"? is that a custom plugin you've created?	[18:45]
hammer	no {MENUTABLE()}	[18:45]
ricks99	That is not a standard Tiki plugin what is it?	[18:46]
hammer	ummmm it is used in my Tiki Joe said it is a lugin plugin	[18:46]
JoernOtt	ricks99: Its Tiki 2.2	[18:46]
ricks99	yes. it is a plugin... but one that is customized. There is no such plugin inlcuded w/ tiki I find no reference in doc that it ever was: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-searchresults.php?find=menutable	[18:46]
JoernOtt	well, I didn't find the page for maketoc either with search	[18:47]
hammer	i dont think it is customized	[18:48]
JoernOtt	that doesn't count ;-)	[18:48]
ricks99	maketoc isn't a plugin JoernOtt: http://doc.tiki.org/PluginMaketoc	[18:48]
hammer	{MENUTABLE()} is not customized where did they get it from then ?	[18:49]
JoernOtt	ricks99: I found it "manually" but not via the search box maybe hammer can look at the code there should be a file menutable in lib/wikiplugins	[18:50]
ricks99	hammer: there is no such plugin in the Tiki source: http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/ it must be something custom for your site	[18:51]
hammer	is there any other types where I can make a menu table ? in 8.2 ? i will check my code	[18:52]
ricks99	what is a menutable?	[18:52]
hammer	let's say I want 3 pics on each line that refer to some pages i wanna do 3 lines 3 pics in each and I want those pics to link somewhere else	[18:53]
ricks99	{img src=xxxx link=yyyyy}{img src=xxxx link=yyyyy}{img src=xxxx link=yyyyy} you can do that in a regular table	[18:53]
hammer	true :s but i still wanna look at my code and see	[18:54]
ricks99	sorry, but I don't quite understand what you're trying to do :(	[18:54]
hammer	{MENUTABLE()} Active Batch Prodedures ~\|~ iSpectrum Procedures ~\|~ Members Channels Produdures ~\|\|~ {MENUTABLE} this is how it looks here	[18:54]
ricks99	hammer: {MENUTABLE()} is a custom plugin that you, or someone who admins your TIki, created.	[18:55]
hammer	maybe Admins yea I will check that because this is where i am having problem in tiki 8	[18:56]
ricks99	yes. a custom 2.x plugin is not compatible with 8.x. Pls review the release notes to see how to upgrade your plugin	[18:56]
hammer	Ok much thx much * 10 :) I just took over here so it s kinda messed up lol	[18:58]
ricks99	good luck :)	[19:0]
hammer	yes it is custom i guess Creates a table with rows flipping between a row of headers and a row of reglar data (usually icons are used) function wikiplugin_menutable($data, $params) {	[19:10]
	i have a feeling that s not a customized one :P i will insalla 2.2 verson and take a look in this folder	[19:16]
RobertPlummerMob	Polom all	[19:16]
hammer	?	[19:17]
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nilsge	I changed to Joomla for a new site because of all the nice themes available and I now regret it. Every single feature you would expect is either crap or commercial. Blog? Forum? pah! Since my site is very new I am tempted to just install tikiwiki again, but I am not a designer :( This is problem for me now. Tikiwiki is just better, but I have to say that Joomla pages look nicer. And I want a nice look :( nilsge joins #cms-psycho-therapy	[23:6]
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