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[0:43] GillesM hello
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[1:26] HardWare Does tiki currently get it's webhosting for free from a sponsor?
[1:53] fabricius hello
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[9:35] Rob___ morning
[9:35] Rob___ Anyone awake?
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[10:11] GillesM me rob
[10:11] GillesM Rob___:
[10:51] mose hey gilles
[11:1] GillesM salut mose ca fait une paye
[11:1] GillesM que deviens tu ?
[11:2] Rob___ hiya
[11:3] GillesM hi Rob___
[11:10] Rob___ hiya
[11:11] Rob___ I was looking for help , if anyone can
[11:17] GillesM what kind of help ?.
[11:17] mose moi je deviens bridé
[11:18] GillesM bridé c'est à dire ?
[11:18] mose je suis a taiwan depuis 4 ans
[11:19] GillesM et tu y es heureux ?
[11:19] mose le paradis :)
[11:19] Rob___ help with Theme Control and Categories
[11:20] GillesM Rob___:  ask your question
[11:20] Rob___ it seems unless I have very very short Category names, the dropdown box won't populate
[11:20] GillesM mose tu y fais quoi ?
[11:20] GillesM Rob___: I don't use catégory
[11:20] Rob___ ah damn.
[11:21] mose apres avoir pris le temps d'apprendre le chinois j'ai repris du service, dev et ce genre-la
[11:22] mose sorry rob I can't help, last version I knew perfectly well was 1.9
[11:23] * mose is a dinosaur
[11:24] mose GillesM: je me suis mis a java et puis apres avoir vomi je suis passe a rails
[11:24] Rob___ blimey
[11:24] GillesM moi je suis à fond dans Qt4
[11:24] mose classe
[11:25] GillesM je développe parfois des petites améliorations dans TW que j'utilise toujours
[11:25] GillesM et je fais des la chanson
[11:25] GillesM j'ai gagné des prix je tourne un peu mais ça reste difficile
[11:25] mose je me doute
[11:26] mose c'est chaud comme metier
[11:27] GillesM mais je travaille en parallèle à développer des application Qt4 et je fais des formations Linux
[11:28] * mose doit sortir, bbl
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[15:8] marclaporte1 Rob___: still need help with categories and theme control?
[15:28] Rob___ yes please
[15:28] Rob___ if you're still there
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[16:0] marclaporte1 here
[16:1] marclaporte1 Rob___:  tell me more
[16:1] marclaporte1 you want a different theme depending on the category of the page?
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[16:24] Rob___ yes, marclaporte1
[16:25] Rob___ hmm don't see a way I can send a screenshot on this. Anyway the basic problem is any category with a name longer than 7 letters doesn't display, it instead shows () in the category dropdown box in Theme Control
[16:25] Rob___ And, to make it worse, the highest ID/most recently created category isn't shown even with short names
[16:26] Rob___ and if I delete a category, creating a discontinuity in the category ID, I have to manually alter them to be in a numerical sequence otherwise none work
[16:26] Rob___ I assume it's a problem in tcontrol.php but I'm not a programmer and don't know any PHP
[16:27] Rob___ I'm doing chores so only checking IRC occasionally
[16:38] marclaporte1 ok
[16:38] marclaporte1 which version?
[16:39] marclaporte1 Can you duplicate the problem on http://demo.tiki.org/ and gimme an URL to check?  I'll then go and check and fix the code
[16:45] Rob___ what's the admin login there?
[17:5] marclaporte1 you can see on demo.tiki.org
[17:28] fabricius hey Rob___ r u still there?
[17:29] fabricius Rob___I did realise the problem with the last category not accessible in theme-control aswell
[17:30] fabricius Btw hello everybody
[17:31] fabricius I have a weird problem and cannot find a solution - productive running but small website with Tiki9
[17:32] fabricius I cannot use Articles right at the moment, as  the header is kind of invisible / hidden when I go to tiki-view_articles.php etc.
[17:32] fabricius but would be nice to use articles ^u^
[17:33] fabricius It seems not to be a problem with the code, as I frequently SVN'd up and I have not a similar problem on other 9ers
[17:34] fabricius It seems not to be a CSS problem, because the problem appears aswell in a standart fivealive and not only in the custom theme
[17:35] fabricius I did not find any setting or configuration, that could deactivate the header for articles and I do neither use perspectives nor mutidomain
[17:36] fabricius I am really stuck, because I have no more idea where to look for a reason of the problems
[17:36] fabricius Please does anybody has a hint what else to check or had a similar experience before, maybe s.th. that could guide me to a solution?
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[18:3] arildb mose: I am looking at a problem with the permissions. In tiki_editpage.php, the direct object permissions are copied from the parent page, when a new structure page is created. This only happens when the current user has tiki_p_admin_wiki permission. This copying messes up systems which rely on category permissions (since the direct permissions override). Your name is mentioned in the blame (from 18 may 2005. (really old, I know). The question is whether
[18:3] arildb to add an option or to remove the code.
[18:4] arildb The code segment is: 		//Criss Holman added the if containing this code of which I don't know the use, but a check before the permissions copy
[18:4] arildb //is definitely needed in case someone has tiki_p_edit/tiki_p_admin_wiki in a page belonging to a structure. chealer
[18:4] arildb if ($tikilib->user_has_perm_on_object($user, $_REQUEST["page"],'wiki page', 'tiki_p_admin_wiki', 'tiki_p_admin_categories'))
[18:4] arildb $userlib->copy_object_permissions($page_info["pageName"], $_REQUEST["page"],'wiki page');
[18:4] arildb mose: Can you remember the purpose of this code?
[18:7] arildb I have had an email round with xavi about this. His point is that this code may be used for workspaces. Copying the direct permissions is easier than using category permissions. However, now I see that the copying only occurs if the current user has tiki_p_admin_wiki permissions. Thus it would not be triggered for regular users.
[18:18] arildb I would also be interested to hear from people familiar with/using workspaces. Is the copying of the permissions from the "mother page" in a structure a useful feature.
[18:19] CIA-36 tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r40903 10/branches/9.x/templates/admin/include_wysiwyg.tpl: add PluginWYSIWYG to relevant spot in admin panel
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[18:25] marclaporte arildb: xavi is likely the person who has put the most thought in structures and workspaces
[18:26] marclaporte arildb: "Thus it would not be triggered for regular users" that doesn't sound right. Maybe it's because non-admins can't set permissions?
[18:29] arildb marclaporte: I think it's right. The if statement checks if the current user has tiki_p_admin_wiki (and tiki_p_admin_categories..but this argument is not accepted by the function). So the copying only occurs if the current user has tiki_p_admin_wik permission. I assume normal users won't have that pemrission
[18:30] arildb I did buy xavi's argumentation, but now I see that it doesn't rteally apply, due to the permission check
[18:31] arildb I will try to contact xavi on IRC when he comes online. Easier to discuss here
[18:35] marclaporte I am glad you are working to improve Tiki. Thank you
[18:35] arildb :-)
[18:42] CIA-36 tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r40905 10/branches/9.x/lang/en/language.php: fixing some it's/its without affecting translations
[18:58] marclaporte changi_: ping
[18:58] marclaporte changi_:  can you increase the frequency of updates of pre-dogfood server?
[18:58] marclaporte Why not every hour?
[18:59] Tiki|bot New Forum Posts: Use Wiki syntax in Link directory? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=43815
[19:24] marclaporte hmmm, I guess we don't want a bit of time to setup and play with it before it refreshes...
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[20:4] Rob___ hmm
[20:4] Rob___ not sure how to open up a private chat. Anyway, http://demo.tiki.org/8x/tiki-theme_control.php  <- I can't replicate it entirely, your dropdown box is populating, but it's still ignoring the most recently created category so part of the error is there
[20:9] marclaporte Rob___:  ok, I am checking now
[20:10] Rob___ thanks
[20:17] Jyhem Rob___: yes, I had been wondering about that. Thanks for the confirmation. → The last created category does not appear in the drop-down :-(
[20:18] Jyhem only I saw it in the "Add group" page
[20:24] Rob___ Jyhem - on my own installation it doesn't even populate the list if any categories are longer than 7 letters (or shorter than the word 'imperium' anyway
[20:27] Jyhem I have categories "wiki_sections" and "Bucuresti" and they appear
[20:28] Jyhem Try "clear all Tiki caches" ?
[20:29] Jyhem Oh, I see you are in 8.x and I am in 9.x
[20:33] Jyhem I went to see in http://demo.tiki.org/8x/tiki-theme_control.php → Sorry, different bug. I don't know about theme control
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[20:34] coaboa polom
[20:43] Rob___ yea I cleared the cache a lot
[20:43] Rob___ I think the server I have struggles to run Tiki tbh
[20:52] marclaporte Rob___:  I confirm the issue. I look at recent code change in that file and didn't see what would cause it
[20:52] marclaporte It is perhaps something in Smarty 3 upgrade...
[20:55] Rob___ okay, thanks
[20:56] Rob___ I have no idea what that means, I assumed it was the function in tcontrol.php that provides the dropdown box
[20:58] Rob___ I've got to say, TikiWiki is awesome, but it could do with more killer themes
[20:58] marclaporte Rob___: Agreed!
[20:58] marclaporte I think newish theme designer will help
[20:58] Rob___ and it destroys my 1and1 shared hosting
[20:59] Rob___ lots of 'out of memory' server errors despite me only enabling a few parts of it
[21:0] Jyhem If I create a tracker field of type "category", will choosing the category categorize the item ?
[21:1] marclaporte Jyhem yes
[21:2] Jyhem thanks marclaporte
[21:2] marclaporte Rob___:  http://tv.tiki.org/tiki-kaltura_video.php?mediaId=1_d4y23n2f
[21:7] Jyhem Nice. Is tv.tiki.org on Tiki9 ?
[21:8] Rob___ that looks good, but you still need to come up with a workable minimalist theme I think
[21:8] Rob___ with clean icons and minimal chrome, but not browser-breaking like Skeleton does on my MacBook :/
[21:8] Rob___ I say "you", I mean "Tiki people"
[21:10] Rob___ Fivealive is a great theme, but the icons look quite dated.
[21:10] Rob___ Obviously take this criticism with a pinch of salt, since I'm no artist
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[21:15] fabricius Jyhem and Rob___ sorry foir the late reply (disconnected and so ;-) ) I just confirm again: The last created category does not appear in the drop-down aswell in installations <- so I have to setup a next emty category to make the last one the one before the last and let it appear ... but this is a pretty awkward workaround
[21:16] Rob___ hi fabricius
[21:16] fabricius hi Rob
[21:16] Rob___ yes that is correct. I also seem to have an additional problem, which is that no category name 8 letters or longer displays for me - if I have one, the dropdown won't show it
[21:17] Rob___ And to make it worse, unless I manually edit my SQL database to ensure all categories are sequential (1,2,3,4,5) it breaks the dropdown box as well.
[21:17] Rob___ My installation is vanilla 8 so I'm not sure if I've done something accidentally or what, but Theme Control by objects and groups works okay.
[21:17] fabricius I neverrealised this problem - I will have to check this lateron  -> which version was it?
[21:17] fabricius ah 8
[21:17] Rob___ er objects and sections.
[21:18] Rob___ Although theme control by groups would be amazing.
[21:18] fabricius jupi objects and sections
[21:19] fabricius there is an option for themes for groups I think, but I never touched this - what if s.b. is in two groups ... even the defaultgroup wins, I am not shure if this will lead to somewhere
[21:19] fabricius better to do with perspectives or so
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[21:21] Rob___ I've not tried perspectives yet - I've found the more complex stuff breaks my rubbish shared hosting
[21:21] marclaporte Rob___:  can you duplicate on demo.tiki.org/9x and add issue to http://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+9x ?  (I can then backport fix to 8.x for 8.4)
[21:21] Rob___ roll on the days of Freedom Plugs
[21:21] marclaporte Sorry to hear 1and1 is not holding up
[21:21] Rob___ I couldn't duplicate my "no category names over 7 letters" on the Tiki demo for 8, only the other one
[21:21] clemente Hi, how can I insert the current date in a wiki page? I have searched the documentation but didn't find anything. Is there a plugin or something?
[21:21] Rob___ yea well they used to be good, gone downhill recently IMHO
[21:22] marclaporte http://tiki.org/Testing+Tiki+installations+on+major+Shared+Hosting+companies
[21:22] Rob___ really I should have my own server
[21:22] Rob___ interesting, didn't spot that
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[21:27] Rob___ didn't run into any of those particular bugs yet though I haven't tried file uploading
[21:31] Rob___ certainly 1and1 defaults to php5 now
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[21:32] marclaporte clemente: yes, there is a way added by sylvieg
[21:39] fabricius Hi clemente, there is a little piece of Smarty code ... give me a few minutes and I look for it
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[21:44] clemente fabricius: I found this: {$now|tiki_long_date}   but it seems to work only in some contexts. Inside a table I get a SmartyCompilerException
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[21:53] arildb xavi: I have looked into the copying of direct object permission for structure pages some more.
[21:54] arildb The copying is only done if the current user has the permission: tiki_p_admin_wiki
[21:55] arildb I assume regular users do not have that permission, and thus it will not simplyfy the permission handlng in structures/workspaces for them
[21:57] arildb I do buy your argument that object permissions "could" simplify things, but that doesn't seem to be the status today, which brings back my original though of removing the code.
[21:57] arildb s/though/thought
[21:58] arildb The code is from 2004/2005, which is probably before the category permissions were introduced (or?)
[22:0] arildb xavi: I would like to get your input in light of the given permission check
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[22:22] marclaporte http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/9.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_now.php?view=markup
[22:24] xavi polom
[22:24] xavi arildb, ok
[22:25] xavi my input: I would vote for adding a preference to let tiki admins select behavior in their sites
[22:25] xavi and for me, it would be a desired enhancement to allow any user (and not only admins) to have this behavior to get permissions copied from a parent page to their child from within structures (through the structure header bar)
[22:27] xavi luciash?
[22:27] xavi sylvieg?
[22:27] arildb xavi: I guess that means checking for the edit page permission or edit structure permission, instead of admin wiki?
[22:28] xavi +1
[22:28] arildb xavi: Adding an option per structure seems a bit too much at the moment.
[22:28] xavi then add the option for all structures
[22:29] xavi that would be enough for most cases
[22:29] xavi imho
[22:29] arildb ok. Which permission would be most fitting edit page or edit structures (if I recall right)
[22:30] arildb Maybe edit page would be most fitting
[22:30] xavi for me , intuitively, it should be edit structures. But as far as I remember, you can't find right now the perm "edit structures" when you are adding local perms.
[22:30] xavi the page bar would be shown just when the page is in a structure, so tiki_e_edit_structures would be the most intuitive, imho
[22:31] xavi provided that the code is fix/improved and this perm is shown for local pages
[22:33] clemente marclaporte: thanks, I'm using that plugin and it works
[22:35] marclaporte :-)
[22:36] marclaporte https://doc.tiki.org/PluginNow
[22:36] xavi marclaporte: I've just seen this page, and I see that it's not within any structure in doc.t.o :-)
[22:36] arildb xavi: if the curent user has tiki_p_edit_structures, would he/she be able to create a new page in the first place (if tiki_p_edit was not also there)?
[22:37] xavi do you want any hints on how to create those pages (or add them later) in the main structure in doc.t.o? (so that they are listed by toc, etc)
[22:37] xavi arildb: I don't know. try it
[22:38] arildb xavi: ok, I will look into it
[22:38] xavi arildb: thks
[22:40] xavi marclaporte: ok, I've done it myself.
[22:54] marclaporte clemente: do you code?
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[23:50] arildb xavi: Given that the permission check now will be changed for the inheritance of the direct object permissions. Should the default choice be to disable it?
[23:54] Jyhem polom
[23:56] Jyhem arildb: I've wondered. What is the use case which would be improved by removing this option ? You seem to believe that not keeping permissions from one page to a new page would be an improvement.
[23:58] Jyhem I can see for what people this might be useful. I have not found an example of people who might find this annoying
[23:59] arildb xavi: The problem is that the direct object permissions override all other permissions. The sites I am working on are driven by group and category permissions. That's why I am doing this upgrade, to get rid of the direct permission copying. So, yes, it is an improvement (for me). My impression is that category permissions are commonly used, and the copying will mess up the access rights