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CIA-36tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r40897 10/branches/9.x/lib/ (parser/parserlib.php setup/editmode.php tikilib.php): [FIX] Still was a couple bugs that I couldn't fix, and started to loose it, so I added some object attributes rather than variables, it makes it easier to tracker. Cleaned up very well. [2:35]
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CIA-36tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r40900 10/branches/8.x/tiki-pagehistory.php: [bp/r40856] [FIX] Ensure permissions from page history lookup by object type [5:44]
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morning
Anyone awake? 		[9:34]
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GillesMme rob
Rob___: 		[10:11]
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mosehey gilles [10:51]
GillesMsalut mose ca fait une paye
que deviens tu ? 		[11:1]
Rob___hiya [11:2]
GillesMhi Rob___ [11:3]
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Rob___hiya
I was looking for help , if anyone can 		[11:10]
GillesMwhat kind of help ?. [11:17]
mosemoi je deviens bridé [11:17]
GillesMbridé c'est à dire ? [11:18]
moseje suis a taiwan depuis 4 ans [11:18]
GillesMet tu y es heureux ? [11:19]
mosele paradis :) [11:19]
Rob___help with Theme Control and Categories [11:19]
GillesMRob___: ask your question [11:20]
Rob___it seems unless I have very very short Category names, the dropdown box won't populate [11:20]
GillesMmose tu y fais quoi ?
Rob___: I don't use catégory 		[11:20]
Rob___ah damn. [11:20]
moseapres avoir pris le temps d'apprendre le chinois j'ai repris du service, dev et ce genre-la
sorry rob I can't help, last version I knew perfectly well was 1.9
mose is a dinosaur
GillesM: je me suis mis a java et puis apres avoir vomi je suis passe a rails 		[11:21]
Rob___blimey [11:24]
GillesMmoi je suis à fond dans Qt4 [11:24]
moseclasse [11:24]
GillesMje développe parfois des petites améliorations dans TW que j'utilise toujours
et je fais des la chanson
j'ai gagné des prix je tourne un peu mais ça reste difficile 		[11:25]
moseje me doute
c'est chaud comme metier 		[11:25]
GillesMmais je travaille en parallèle à développer des application Qt4 et je fais des formations Linux [11:27]
mosemose doit sortir, bbl [11:28]
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CIA-36tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r40901 10/branches/9.x/templates/tracker/edit_field.tpl: [ENH] Present existing text more clearly [14:1]
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Tiki|botYou can get a more complete list of commands that work with this bot at http://tiki.org/TikiBot . [15:4]
marclaporte1Rob___: still need help with categories and theme control? [15:8]
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Rob___yes please
if you're still there 		[15:28]
CIA-36tikiwiki: 03eromneg * r40902 10/branches/9.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_trackerprefill.php: [FIX] crude fix to increase the number of fields/values that can be set from 5 to 8 - but this should really be made more generic [15:30]
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marclaporte1here
Rob___: tell me more
you want a different theme depending on the category of the page? 		[16:0]
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Rob___yes, marclaporte1
hmm don't see a way I can send a screenshot on this. Anyway the basic problem is any category with a name longer than 7 letters doesn't display, it instead shows () in the category dropdown box in Theme Control
And, to make it worse, the highest ID/most recently created category isn't shown even with short names
and if I delete a category, creating a discontinuity in the category ID, I have to manually alter them to be in a numerical sequence otherwise none work
I assume it's a problem in tcontrol.php but I'm not a programmer and don't know any PHP
I'm doing chores so only checking IRC occasionally 		[16:24]
marclaporte1ok
which version?
Can you duplicate the problem on http://demo.tiki.org/ and gimme an URL to check? I'll then go and check and fix the code 		[16:38]
Rob___what's the admin login there? [16:45]
marclaporte1you can see on demo.tiki.org [17:5]
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fabriciushey Rob___ r u still there?
Rob___I did realise the problem with the last category not accessible in theme-control aswell
Btw hello everybody
I have a weird problem and cannot find a solution - productive running but small website with Tiki9
I cannot use Articles right at the moment, as the header is kind of invisible / hidden when I go to tiki-view_articles.php etc.
but would be nice to use articles ^u^
It seems not to be a problem with the code, as I frequently SVN'd up and I have not a similar problem on other 9ers
It seems not to be a CSS problem, because the problem appears aswell in a standart fivealive and not only in the custom theme
I did not find any setting or configuration, that could deactivate the header for articles and I do neither use perspectives nor mutidomain
I am really stuck, because I have no more idea where to look for a reason of the problems
Please does anybody has a hint what else to check or had a similar experience before, maybe s.th. that could guide me to a solution? 		[17:28]
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arildbmose: I am looking at a problem with the permissions. In tiki_editpage.php, the direct object permissions are copied from the parent page, when a new structure page is created. This only happens when the current user has tiki_p_admin_wiki permission. This copying messes up systems which rely on category permissions (since the direct permissions override). Your name is mentioned in the blame (from 18 may 2005. (really old, I know). The question is whether
to add an option or to remove the code.
The code segment is: //Criss Holman added the if containing this code of which I don't know the use, but a check before the permissions copy
//is definitely needed in case someone has tiki_p_edit/tiki_p_admin_wiki in a page belonging to a structure. chealer
if ($tikilib->user_has_perm_on_object($user, $_REQUEST["page"],'wiki page', 'tiki_p_admin_wiki', 'tiki_p_admin_categories'))
$userlib->copy_object_permissions($page_info["pageName"], $_REQUEST["page"],'wiki page');
mose: Can you remember the purpose of this code?
I have had an email round with xavi about this. His point is that this code may be used for workspaces. Copying the direct permissions is easier than using category permissions. However, now I see that the copying only occurs if the current user has tiki_p_admin_wiki permissions. Thus it would not be triggered for regular users. 		[18:3]
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I would also be interested to hear from people familiar with/using workspaces. Is the copying of the permissions from the "mother page" in a structure a useful feature. [18:18]
CIA-36tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r40903 10/branches/9.x/templates/admin/include_wysiwyg.tpl: add PluginWYSIWYG to relevant spot in admin panel
tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r40904 10/branches/9.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_wysiwyg.php: typo 		[18:19]
marclaportearildb: xavi is likely the person who has put the most thought in structures and workspaces
arildb: "Thus it would not be triggered for regular users" that doesn't sound right. Maybe it's because non-admins can't set permissions? 		[18:25]
arildbmarclaporte: I think it's right. The if statement checks if the current user has tiki_p_admin_wiki (and tiki_p_admin_categories..but this argument is not accepted by the function). So the copying only occurs if the current user has tiki_p_admin_wik permission. I assume normal users won't have that pemrission
I did buy xavi's argumentation, but now I see that it doesn't rteally apply, due to the permission check
I will try to contact xavi on IRC when he comes online. Easier to discuss here 		[18:29]
marclaporteI am glad you are working to improve Tiki. Thank you [18:35]
arildb:-) [18:35]
CIA-36tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r40905 10/branches/9.x/lang/en/language.php: fixing some it's/its without affecting translations [18:42]
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marclaportechangi_: ping
changi_: can you increase the frequency of updates of pre-dogfood server?
Why not every hour? 		[18:58]
Tiki|botNew Forum Posts: Use Wiki syntax in Link directory? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=43815 [18:59]
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marclaportehmmm, I guess we don't want a bit of time to setup and play with it before it refreshes... [19:24]
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Rob___hmm
not sure how to open up a private chat. Anyway, http://demo.tiki.org/8x/tiki-theme_control.php <- I can't replicate it entirely, your dropdown box is populating, but it's still ignoring the most recently created category so part of the error is there 		[20:4]
marclaporteRob___: ok, I am checking now [20:9]
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Rob___thanks [20:10]
JyhemRob___: yes, I had been wondering about that. Thanks for the confirmation. → The last created category does not appear in the drop-down :-(
only I saw it in the "Add group" page 		[20:17]
Rob___Jyhem - on my own installation it doesn't even populate the list if any categories are longer than 7 letters (or shorter than the word 'imperium' anyway [20:24]
JyhemI have categories "wiki_sections" and "Bucuresti" and they appear
Try "clear all Tiki caches" ?
Oh, I see you are in 8.x and I am in 9.x
I went to see in http://demo.tiki.org/8x/tiki-theme_control.php → Sorry, different bug. I don't know about theme control 		[20:27]
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Rob___yea I cleared the cache a lot
I think the server I have struggles to run Tiki tbh 		[20:43]
marclaporteRob___: I confirm the issue. I look at recent code change in that file and didn't see what would cause it
It is perhaps something in Smarty 3 upgrade... 		[20:52]
Rob___okay, thanks
I have no idea what that means, I assumed it was the function in tcontrol.php that provides the dropdown box
I've got to say, TikiWiki is awesome, but it could do with more killer themes 		[20:55]
marclaporteRob___: Agreed!
I think newish theme designer will help 		[20:58]
Rob___and it destroys my 1and1 shared hosting
lots of 'out of memory' server errors despite me only enabling a few parts of it 		[20:58]
JyhemIf I create a tracker field of type "category", will choosing the category categorize the item ? [21:0]
marclaporteJyhem yes [21:1]
Jyhemthanks marclaporte [21:2]
marclaporteRob___: http://tv.tiki.org/tiki-kaltura_video.php?mediaId=1_d4y23n2f [21:2]
JyhemNice. Is tv.tiki.org on Tiki9 ? [21:7]
Rob___that looks good, but you still need to come up with a workable minimalist theme I think
with clean icons and minimal chrome, but not browser-breaking like Skeleton does on my MacBook :/
I say "you", I mean "Tiki people" 		[21:8]
Fivealive is a great theme, but the icons look quite dated.
Obviously take this criticism with a pinch of salt, since I'm no artist 		[21:10]
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CIA-36tikiwiki: 03Jyhem * r40906 10/branches/9.x/templates/modules/mod-login_box.tpl: [ENH] A clearer grouping of login instructions [21:14]
fabriciusJyhem and Rob___ sorry foir the late reply (disconnected and so ;-) ) I just confirm again: The last created category does not appear in the drop-down aswell in installations <- so I have to setup a next emty category to make the last one the one before the last and let it appear ... but this is a pretty awkward workaround [21:15]
Rob___hi fabricius [21:16]
fabriciushi Rob [21:16]
Rob___yes that is correct. I also seem to have an additional problem, which is that no category name 8 letters or longer displays for me - if I have one, the dropdown won't show it
And to make it worse, unless I manually edit my SQL database to ensure all categories are sequential (1,2,3,4,5) it breaks the dropdown box as well.
My installation is vanilla 8 so I'm not sure if I've done something accidentally or what, but Theme Control by objects and groups works okay. 		[21:16]
fabriciusI neverrealised this problem - I will have to check this lateron -> which version was it?
ah 8 		[21:17]
Rob___er objects and sections.
Although theme control by groups would be amazing. 		[21:17]
fabriciusjupi objects and sections
there is an option for themes for groups I think, but I never touched this - what if s.b. is in two groups ... even the defaultgroup wins, I am not shure if this will lead to somewhere
better to do with perspectives or so 		[21:18]
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Rob___I've not tried perspectives yet - I've found the more complex stuff breaks my rubbish shared hosting [21:21]
marclaporteRob___: can you duplicate on demo.tiki.org/9x and add issue to http://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+9x ? (I can then backport fix to 8.x for 8.4) [21:21]
Rob___roll on the days of Freedom Plugs [21:21]
marclaporteSorry to hear 1and1 is not holding up [21:21]
Rob___I couldn't duplicate my "no category names over 7 letters" on the Tiki demo for 8, only the other one [21:21]
clementeHi, how can I insert the current date in a wiki page? I have searched the documentation but didn't find anything. Is there a plugin or something? [21:21]
Rob___yea well they used to be good, gone downhill recently IMHO [21:21]
marclaportehttp://tiki.org/Testing+Tiki+installations+on+major+Shared+Hosting+companies [21:22]
Rob___really I should have my own server
interesting, didn't spot that 		[21:22]
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Rob___didn't run into any of those particular bugs yet though I haven't tried file uploading
certainly 1and1 defaults to php5 now 		[21:27]
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marclaporteclemente: yes, there is a way added by sylvieg [21:32]
fabriciusHi clemente, there is a little piece of Smarty code ... give me a few minutes and I look for it [21:39]
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clementefabricius: I found this: {$now|tiki_long_date} but it seems to work only in some contexts. Inside a table I get a SmartyCompilerException [21:44]
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arildbxavi: I have looked into the copying of direct object permission for structure pages some more.
The copying is only done if the current user has the permission: tiki_p_admin_wiki
I assume regular users do not have that permission, and thus it will not simplyfy the permission handlng in structures/workspaces for them
I do buy your argument that object permissions "could" simplify things, but that doesn't seem to be the status today, which brings back my original though of removing the code.
s/though/thought
The code is from 2004/2005, which is probably before the category permissions were introduced (or?)
xavi: I would like to get your input in light of the given permission check 		[21:53]
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http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/branches/9.x/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_now.php?view=markup [22:22]
xavipolom
arildb, ok
my input: I would vote for adding a preference to let tiki admins select behavior in their sites
and for me, it would be a desired enhancement to allow any user (and not only admins) to have this behavior to get permissions copied from a parent page to their child from within structures (through the structure header bar)
luciash?
sylvieg? 		[22:24]
arildbxavi: I guess that means checking for the edit page permission or edit structure permission, instead of admin wiki? [22:27]
xavi+1 [22:28]
arildbxavi: Adding an option per structure seems a bit too much at the moment. [22:28]
xavithen add the option for all structures
that would be enough for most cases
imho 		[22:28]
arildbok. Which permission would be most fitting edit page or edit structures (if I recall right)
Maybe edit page would be most fitting 		[22:29]
xavifor me , intuitively, it should be edit structures. But as far as I remember, you can't find right now the perm "edit structures" when you are adding local perms.
the page bar would be shown just when the page is in a structure, so tiki_e_edit_structures would be the most intuitive, imho
provided that the code is fix/improved and this perm is shown for local pages 		[22:30]
clementemarclaporte: thanks, I'm using that plugin and it works [22:33]
marclaporte:-)
https://doc.tiki.org/PluginNow 		[22:35]
xavimarclaporte: I've just seen this page, and I see that it's not within any structure in doc.t.o :-) [22:36]
arildbxavi: if the curent user has tiki_p_edit_structures, would he/she be able to create a new page in the first place (if tiki_p_edit was not also there)? [22:36]
xavido you want any hints on how to create those pages (or add them later) in the main structure in doc.t.o? (so that they are listed by toc, etc)
arildb: I don't know. try it 		[22:37]
arildbxavi: ok, I will look into it [22:38]
xaviarildb: thks
marclaporte: ok, I've done it myself. 		[22:38]
marclaporteclemente: do you code? [22:54]
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arildbxavi: Given that the permission check now will be changed for the inheritance of the direct object permissions. Should the default choice be to disable it? [23:50]
Jyhempolom
arildb: I've wondered. What is the use case which would be improved by removing this option ? You seem to believe that not keeping permissions from one page to a new page would be an improvement.
I can see for what people this might be useful. I have not found an example of people who might find this annoying 		[23:54]
arildbxavi: The problem is that the direct object permissions override all other permissions. The sites I am working on are driven by group and category permissions. That's why I am doing this upgrade, to get rid of the direct permission copying. So, yes, it is an improvement (for me). My impression is that category permissions are commonly used, and the copying will mess up the access rights [23:59]
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