#tikiwiki 2012-06-21,Thu

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CIA-91	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r42021 10/branches/9.x/lang/ (ca/language.php es/language.php): a few more	[00:54]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: question re: attaching documents and downloading them - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=44227	[00:57]
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fidel	hi - could it be that maketoc in 9.0b2 does not work in case of displaying numbers? we tried all 3 options: yes, yes and force which is again yes all 3 settings resulted in no number-prefixes in the toc	[09:31]
	-- and is there a function to add maketoc to each new article automaticly? i guess no - as i stupled upon a pretty old ticket/request from marclaporte asking for something similar	[09:37]
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vmachine	joined #tikiwiki Hello I have a wiki page i created how do i make it the home screen?	[10:11]
fidel	not sure if you can define another page then HomePage as default page for all users - but how about just moving the content from page:WHATEVer to page:HOMEPAGE? sounds like the easiest work-around	[10:20]
vmachine	ok i will try that... i kind of new so im still learning	[10:28]
fidel	vmachine: googling for 'tikiwiki define homepage' gave the following first hit - http://doc.tiki.org/Custom+Home so now you have 2 options - hf	[10:29]
vmachine	Ok ive changed it.. thanks	[10:32]
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Beestje	joined #tikiwiki polom! I'm working on a 1.9.11 tiki (pretty nostalgic) tikiwiki website. :-)	[10:47]
fidel	Beestje: may i ask why you are using 1.9? ;)	[10:50]
Beestje	I first made that site in 2005, did a rebuild of it in 2008 :-) hosting company sent the owner a mail that it's getting too big, so time for a makeover! ;-) I just have a problem getting the pictures from the website... they're in the folder allright, but the filenames are encoded. any way I can restore the pictures to the original filenames so I don't have to click on each picture and do a save as individually ? if it's just 100 pictures, that would be fine ... but over a 1000 pictures seems a complete waste of my time :-D	[10:50]
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fidel	q: is there some kind of user-stats about activity of the user inside my tiki? i.e. in mediawiki i was able to see the amount of edits per user	[11:11]
	ok i found the statistics option	[11:17]
CIA-91	tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r42022 10/branches/9.x/lang/es/language.php: a few more (daily reports and many here and there)	[11:26]
jonnyb	joined #tikiwiki long time no polom!	[11:27]
fidel	polom ;)	[11:30]
jonnyb	hi fidel	[11:30]
fidel	regarding the status function: it seems to ignore user-specific stats -- or am i wrong? hi jonnyb	[11:30]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Using structures for menu's in Wiki 8.4 - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=44228	[12:41]
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fidel	hi - as the doc.tiki page seems to run unstable as yesterday as well - short question: how can i produce quoted text? i tried several ways i found in different docs - i.e. using 2 spaces / using {QUOTE} etc ...but it seems like none is working what is the supposed way in a default install to quote text i dont see an option in the gui-editor either	[13:07]
jonnyb	hi fidel - where doesn't {quote} work? the one here looks ok: http://demo.tiki.org/9x	[13:17]
fidel	lemme doublecheck - i used uppercase letters only lol uppercase {QUOTE}bla{QUOTE} does not work but: {quote}bla{quote} works is that supposed to be like that?	[13:20]
jonnyb	think you might find {QUOTE()}bla{QUOTE} works (with brackets) no, it wasn't really supposed to be like that but when it was changed to be consistent people complained it messed up old pages	[13:22]
fidel	why isnt there a real closing tag for quotes? i would have expect something like {quote}bla{/quote} oh that works aswell puh - getting used to tiki synthax - coming from mediawiki - is kinda hard jonnyb: is there any formating page with examples you can recommend? i found several ones - different states - not ose was really almost complete . or what i was looking for at that moment background: i am writing an formating example for our users right now - but to do that i need to get used to the synthax myself first hehe	[13:24]
jonnyb	have you seen: http://doc.tiki.org/wiki+syntax	[13:26]
fidel	well doc.tiki.org seems pretty unstable for me since at least 2 days but gonna try it again thanks oncew again	[13:27]
jonnyb	the help popup in the editor has all the main bits quite concisely - and if you use the plugin editor helpers (click the icons in the plugin help) then it gets the syntax right for you	[13:27]
fidel	one last question: how would you close up a quote tag? {quote}bla{quote} results here in 2 quote icons {quote}bla{/quote} results in: bla {/quote} {quote()}bla{quote} results in 2 quote images as well well using code then - does the job aswell ;)	[13:28]
Tiki\|bot	Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4251 - - Freetags: feature requests for sorting and showing all tags - http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?trackerId=5&itemId=4251	[13:35]
jonnyb	sorry fidel - using "code"?	[13:36]
fidel	using {code} as i seem unable to use {quote}/{quote()} or however it is used/called	[13:36]
jonnyb	i don't follow - thats a different plugin but should use the same syntax	[13:36]
fidel	which part should i explain again?	[13:37]
jonnyb	did you try using the plugin helper?	[13:37]
fidel	no - as i dont even know where this one is so far. currently i am in the normal editing mode - trying to write an article	[13:38]
jonnyb	click the help icon on the toolbar (blue disc with a ? in)	[13:38]
fidel	but - ok - seems like i need to read up again whatever then	[13:38]
jonnyb	click the "plugin help" tab	[13:38]
fidel	i dont have that - might be theme based	[13:38]
jonnyb	type in quote into the filter or scroll down to is	[13:38]
fidel	jonnyb: thanks but i realize we are using way to different setups i guess	[13:39]
jonnyb	oh? should be on by default	[13:39]
fidel	gonna try to find a way thanks anyways	[13:39]
jonnyb	guess you must have turned it off or removed it from the toolbar?	[13:39]
fidel	working on a v9b2 setup here if so - my collegue	[13:39]
jonnyb	or you could copy the example on http://demo.tiki.org/9x	[13:39]
fidel	its just frustrating if you are messing aroud 15 minutes to write a quote which should be done in seconds	[13:39]
jonnyb	{QUOTE()}blah blah{QUOTE} works fine for me on 9.x yes, that's what the helper stuff is for - wonder where yours went!	[13:41]
fidel	{QUOT{QUOTE()} ~np~ __fett ~/np~ {QUOTE} damn mistypoed {QUOTE()} ~np~ __fett ~/np~ {QUOTE} does not fully work here - in my theory it should quote the non-interpreted wiki code but seems like i am still misinterpreting ah - again a typo - please ignore me ...i guess i got it	[13:43]
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fidel	just one last question - which is for sure not answerable: why on earth is almost each wiki-project using another synthax? trac, mediawiki, tiki .... ;) i get doku-wiki again is using another one hehe	[13:45]
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CIA-91	tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42023 10/trunk/lib/parser/parserlib.php: [FIX] parser: Prevent warnings caused by 41950 (unfinished work maybe? not sure if it breaks anything else... but stops it trying to load dozens of non-existent files)	[13:51]
jonnyb	fidel: there was an attempt at a thing called wiki creole to try and join them all together, but no one really pushed it, so it faded away	[13:57]
Jyhem_laptop	fidel: I think the problem is, they all have their drawbacks, and therefore nobody was really motivated with the notion of doing a lot of work to leave an imperfect solution for another imperfect solution.	[14:08]
RobertPlummerMob	joined #tikiwiki polom all	[14:15]
jonnyb	polom RobertPlummerMob	[14:17]
RobertPlummerMob	jonnyb: Most of the fullscreen code was removed because it was just too complex for it to not be buggy.	[14:17]
jonnyb	but it worked mostly, now it's totally broken (in fact, just not written)	[14:18]
RobertPlummerMob	jonnyb: THe easy way to fix it was to incorporate a parent object that had a seperate css class and just force the contained objects to stretch. not there? as in someone removed the code?	[14:18]
jonnyb	looks like it to me (you, i thought, no?)	[14:19]
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RobertPlummerMob	Oh right, I removed the old method and generalized the method used in codemirror. The end result was pretty solid if I remember right. It was all broken in the old method between browsers.	[14:19]
jonnyb	was working fine in 5,6,7 & 8 (maybe not in some IE)	[14:20]
RobertPlummerMob	Testing... It may have been working fine, but if it was I wouldn't have rewrote it using jQuery. If I remember right you thought it was a good idea because the code was a rats nets.	[14:22]
jonnyb	but your version doesn't work, right?	[14:22]
RobertPlummerMob	I'm checking, I had cartograf installed, cleaning slate now. I just got in, working remote today (from coffee shop), connection is a bit slow. jonnyb: I could be wrong about you approving, it has been some time. Either way, I will fix quickly, should be something small.	[14:23]
jonnyb	fullscreen seems ok for me in http://demo.tiki.org/8x/tiki-editpage.php?page=dfgf i know the code looked horrid - i wrote it :D	[14:28]
RobertPlummerMob	Before jQuery, those were the days.	[14:28]
jonnyb	i thought i used jquery - just badly ;) actually it's the nightmare DOM in tiki that is was coping with - let's hope the new method is easily fixable	[14:30]
RobertPlummerMob	Looks like the .TextArea-fullscreen has been removed, easy fix. Something is just overriding it's position absolute	[14:32]
jonnyb	yes, couldn't find any evidence of that class except in the js (eveer)	[14:33]
RobertPlummerMob	Have you checked layout.css? All it's rules are there.	[14:33]
jonnyb	yes, but it's not in any php or tpl files	[14:34]
Jyhem_laptop	polom	[14:34]
jonnyb	was assuming it was applied dynamically hi Jyhem_laptop but can't afford to spend that much time on these kind of things at the moment	[14:34]
RobertPlummerMob	agreed	[14:35]
Jyhem_laptop	hi jonnyb Just the other day I amazed a customer with Tiki8's full-screen feature...	[14:35]
jonnyb	:)	[14:35]
Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop is drawn to read again http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html for some undisclosed reason	[14:36]
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RobertPlummerMob	joined #tikiwiki How is everyone feeling about a beta or release candidate for 9 sometime soon? I will be committing a fix on the fullscreen issue in a few minutes, as soon as my connection allows. jonnyb, how is "Update issue from 8SVN to 9SVN or Trunk" looking?	[14:46]
jonnyb	thanks RobertPlummerMob - which "update issue" in particular?	[14:52]
RobertPlummerMob	Is there a possibility that 8 had more stored things that were html encoded? jonnyb: That is the title of the thread. Leu brought it up, some conversion issue. It could quite possibly be that the is_html option isn't being set to true in all places it needs to be, thus turning < into < Like modules, toc, etc.	[14:52]
jonnyb	could be - i thought he tried again and couldn't reproduce	[14:55]
CIA-91	tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r42024 10/branches/9.x/ (lib/jquery_tiki/tiki-jquery.js styles/layout/layout.css): [FIX] Fullscreen setup needed tweaked for layout changes	[14:55]
RobertPlummerMob	Finally!	[14:55]
jonnyb	yay, thanks RobertPlummerMob	[14:55]
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RobertPlummerMob	jonnyb: I might have gotten side tracked on that one, it was the last blocker that I remember in addition to the fullscreen with textarea. jonnyb: Can you confirm?	[14:55]
jonnyb	will check the mails...	[14:56]
RobertPlummerMob	Me too... jonnyb: I can't find any.	[15:04]
jonnyb	i just replied (i think)	[15:05]
RobertPlummerMob	jonnyb: There is an issue with sheet rendering loaded values. Perhaps a blocker.	[15:06]
jonnyb	wiki fullscreen edit seems mended, thanks RobertPlummerMob (some weird vertical scrollbar issues, and no save etc buttons, but good enough for now!)	[15:08]
RobertPlummerMob	But edge case stuff. thanks jonnyb.	[15:08]
jonnyb	http://dev.tiki.org/Regressions+in+9x#General_regressions updated	[15:09]
RobertPlummerMob	thanks jonnyb	[15:11]
jonnyb	gottago - bbl	[15:22]
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Jyhem_laptop	Jyhem_laptop wonders if anyone plans to attend https://tiki.org/June+2012+Webinar	[15:35]
marclaporte	marclaporte does Hope we can progress on Tiki9	[15:40]
fidel	q: do you guys have experience about possible slow-downs of tiki9? i am realizing my virtual server which is used to run tiki9 here is almost idle ram & cpu wise. But still the test-tiki-setup feels somehow slow if it comes to searching & loading pages i've seen the major performance tab in the administration & enabled gzip support there my feeling is that the title-completion while searching might eat a good part of my resources any other experiences about slow downs - without seeing them in the server itself?	[15:41]
RobertPlummerMob	fidel: It is my experience that tiki 9 is a bit faster than 8.	[15:42]
fidel	ok cant really tell - as i havent tested that much with v8 - and my test-scenario was my desktop. for v9 i am using a vm-server in our department	[15:43]
RobertPlummerMob	But there are a bunch of different ways to analyse that...]	[15:43]
fidel	any one you would suggest to go/test first?	[15:44]
RobertPlummerMob	I know when it comes to the parser that it will be faster, we don't do as much html encoding... Only when needed.	[15:44]
fidel	like focusing on apache itself at start? or checking general db -settings	[15:44]
RobertPlummerMob	fidel: I would say the upgrade process is going to be much slower depending on how many pages you have because we have changed encoding techniques.	[15:44]
fidel	or focusing on the settings tiki offers itself like cache/gzip etc what do you mean by 'upgrading process'?	[15:44]
RobertPlummerMob	fidel: And we convert each existing page, and then historic pages when they are visited.	[15:45]
fidel	i am already on v9 now	[15:45]
RobertPlummerMob	Oh, well then no worries.	[15:45]
fidel	everything i mentioned from the last minutes was about v9	[15:46]
RobertPlummerMob	Jyhem_laptop: I hope to attend the meeting today, but I will see about time permitting. fidel: 9 is going to be the most solid tiki yet, tons of refactoring and bug fixing to make it stable and efficient for LTS. fidel: I would invite you to keep the latest svn of 9 installed and svn up often in a staging environment, finding bugs helps us make it much better for all.	[15:46]
fidel	k - right now we are on v9b2 have migrated our mediawiki content to it and just fiddling way to much with permissions (major reason we are jumping from mediawiki to tiki) considering setting up another test-box with the svn-source how often does the current snv-code tends to temporary be broken from your experience? once a month, once a week, several times a week, several times a day? ;) just to get a feeling	[15:49]
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RobertPlummer1	joined #tikiwiki FInally! My connection is terrible today. fidel: Did you get the info you needed?	[16:11]
fidel	RobertPlummer1: not regarding stability of the svn-code ....but its ok. guess i should just try it thanks for asking	[16:25]
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RobertPlummer1	fidel: trunk is usually where the risk is, but right now in terms of permissions not a whole lot is changing there. Really just fixes.	[16:36]
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RobertPlummer1	fidel: That was refactored between 6 and 9. fidel: I;ve been working on integrating a new wiki parser, but that is an optional and experimental feature at this point.	[16:40]
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jonnyb	Everyone coming to the webinar later i hope! :) info here: https://tiki.org/June+2012+Webinar	[17:31]
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Jyhem_laptop	yup. in 2h and a half	[18:25]
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Jyhem_laptop	in an hour	[20:02]
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changi	polom	[20:21]
jonnyb	hi changi	[20:21]
changi	changi is thinking, why is it raining every 21 of june ? jonnyb: hi	[20:22]
jonnyb	raining here too	[20:22]
changi	a little js problem for you	[20:22]
jonnyb	nice in Oslo apparently hmm?	[20:22]
changi	ok, going to Oslo :) jonnyb: i'm using the nice spreadsheet feature, and since Robert did a little cleanup, i'm unable to resize colomn and rows	[20:23]
RobertPlummerMob	changi: is this in 9	[20:24]
jonnyb	sounds more like a RobertPlummerMob thing to me :)	[20:24]
RobertPlummerMob	?	[20:24]
changi	RobertPlummerMob: yes RobertPlummerMob: currently trying to fine since which commit still working on demo.tiki.org/9x at revision 41992	[20:24]
RobertPlummerMob	This looks to be a problem with the new jquery ui, not sure why we upgraded that in 9.x with a freeze in place. jonnyb: ?	[20:27]
jonnyb	did we? (i?) since 41992? (seem recent)	[20:28]
RobertPlummerMob	r41835 perhaps?	[20:29]
jonnyb	last one i did was on 28 march	[20:29]
RobertPlummerMob	Or is that trunk only?	[20:29]
jonnyb	no, the externals still aren't locked on 9.x	[20:30]
RobertPlummerMob	I spoke to soon I guess. But I'm at a loss why this isn't working as I haven't touched resize in 2.0.0 in some time.	[20:30]
jonnyb	should have been at beta 1 i guess	[20:30]
RobertPlummerMob	Perhaps an upgrade is in order then if it fixes this functionality? I'm so tired of this stupid resize issue with sheet. Browsers and their stupid table parsers!	[20:31]
jonnyb	think the externals should be fixed now - RobertPlummerMob do you have time to? (i'm rushing to get something done before the webinar)	[20:32]
RobertPlummerMob	Have time to what?	[20:32]
jonnyb	fix the external lib revisions in 9.x?	[20:33]
Jyhem	hi guys	[20:33]
jonnyb	maybe put the ui one back to before that upgrade	[20:33]
changi	I don't think it's an external problem, because updating my local checkout at revision 41992 fix the problem	[20:33]
Jyhem	I suppose jonnyb means pin to a fixed version	[20:33]
changi	it's a tiki code issus hi Jyhem	[20:33]
RobertPlummerMob	Right, let me check 41992 first.	[20:34]
jonnyb	although i thought it best to try and make 9.x have the most up to date libs possible as it's going to be LTS (probably)	[20:34]
Jyhem	hi changi	[20:34]
jonnyb	hi Jyhem too	[20:34]
Jyhem	hi jonnyb.	[20:34]
RobertPlummerMob	jonnyb: I would say now is not the time to go changing, just because it comes out later doesn't always mean it is more stable. In the past I remember we did this for 6, and it delayed the release.	[20:34]
Jyhem	storm brewing here. the town has cancelled all music events they sponsor	[20:35]
RobertPlummerMob	wow	[20:35]
jonnyb	er, exactly - if they're "fixed" they won't change (or are you saying they are already?)	[20:35]
Jyhem	dunno, just clarifying meaning	[20:35]
RobertPlummerMob	no, no, you meantioned latest libs for 9.x, I thought you meant to upgrade. I will fix in their current place before release of 9.x in a few minutes.	[20:36]
jonnyb	sorry no, that release of 1.8 ui is the last one they're doing before 1.9 so i thought best to use it r41835	[20:37]
changi	which version of jqui are you using on http://code.google.com/p/jquerysheet/	[20:38]
RobertPlummerMob	1.8.17 checking if this problem is in trunk Yup. I don't know what to do. Probably a load of work on my part.	[20:39]
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changi	find it jquery-ui 1.8.21 regression using 1.8.18 it's reworking	[20:58]
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changi	RobertPlummer: using 1.8.18 version of jquery-iu it's reworking	[20:59]
RobertPlummer	Rollback in order?	[21:00]
changi	RobertPlummer: maybe juste set the external link to a specific revision s/juste/just	[21:00]
RobertPlummer	changi: Which revision then? I suppose you haven't gotten that far?	[21:01]
changi	don't know for now just trying to test 1.8.20 1.8.20 => KO 1.8.19 => KO 1.8.18 => Working perfectly	[21:02]
RobertPlummer	It may be a resize option, checking any updates there. Like containment. lol, it is A new option. And it is actually called 'containment', lol. So let me put a fix into core for it. core jquery sheet	[21:08]
changi	RobertPlummer: you're the best :)	[21:09]
jonnyb	http://tiki.org/live starting! :)	[21:10]
changi	changi connecting	[21:10]
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RobertPlummer	Found the issue, mouseover is being called over and over. switching to mouse enter.	[21:50]
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Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: Tracker field: item list - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=44235 New Forum Posts: Tiki 8.2 unable to sync groups with AD - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=17&comments_parentId=44234	[22:33]
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RobertPlummer	changi: Can you take http://nextinfo.tiki.org/ out of basic authentication?	[22:52]
changi	RobertPlummer: yes RobertPlummer: done	[22:58]
Tiki\|bot	New Forum Posts: how to work with item list? - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&comments_parentId=44236	[23:03]
changi	jonnyb: for the record 45 minutes to index dev	[23:06]
jonnyb	coo, chewey is the cron thing working ok now?	[23:07]
changi	lot of pages including trackerlist jonnyb: for now i do it manually	[23:07]
jonnyb	yes, would be quicker if we migrated those to {list}	[23:08]
changi	maybe i can send you the output log if you want	[23:08]
jonnyb	my japanese one has been running ok for a couple of months now every 24 hours (takes about 20 mins)	[23:08]
changi	you will see which page take the most time	[23:08]
jonnyb	not really thanks :)	[23:08]
changi	jonnyb: a reindex ? s/reindex/rebuild ?	[23:09]
jonnyb	yes, rebuild once it failed which block it running next time - didn't manage to work out a way round that (or send an alert) - still on my todo list	[23:09]
Jyhem	how many tracker items for 45 minutes ? or 20	[23:17]
jonnyb	about 12,000 in 20 mins dev is extra slow cos of all the trackerlists in pages (we think)	[23:21]
Jyhem	so for 100.000 items, some 3h+	[23:22]
jonnyb	ew	[23:22]
changi	4000 tracker item for dev	[23:23]
Jyhem	Well, don't we want people to use Tiki for big stuff ?	[23:23]
changi	yes	[23:26]
Jyhem	the dev one has categories mixed in the tracker. avoided doing that. I hope it's enough	[23:26]
changi	but the biggest part is tiki pages including trackerlist	[23:26]
Jyhem	well, I had one with {report} and it blew the rebuild. Turns out it does not have inbuilt "limit"	[23:27]
RobertPlummerMob	joined #tikiwiki on me cell gents.	[23:31]
Jyhem	I suppose trackerlist can be replaced with {list}. not so sure about my forked trackerfilter wow, I need to find some irc client for my android	[23:31]

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