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   TomJarvis: When I use the IMG plugin, with thumb="y" button="y" rel="box", the ColorBox comes up saying it is image 1/2, but the second image is always the same as the first.
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   luciash: <u>lorinc</u>: very nice site for angelika
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   <br> I fixed my problem, removing the thumb="y"  from {img fileId="1" button="y" width="170px" desc=namedesc rel="box"} made it so there the "1/2" and the arrows are not displayed.
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   <br> hi
   <br> I plan to install and update tiki wiki using subversion
   Tiki|bot: New Forum Posts: Trackers, linking trackers and use part of the data only. (how to get rid of empty cell ?)  - http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=4&amp;comments_parentId=44272
   g0th: since apache needs to be able to access it, I assume it is necessary to set the user group permissions appropriately (here: apache/w3biomech), how do I do that automatically?
   <br> I just do an svn checkout and then chown -R apache.w3biomech or something like that?
   <br> isn't there a more elegant way?
   lorinc: <u>g0th</u>: setup.sh ;)
   g0th: that's not with subversion?
   <br> hmm, you recommend to download it and run setup.sh?
   <br> I read somewhere that updating/upgrading is much easier with subversion, because it also automatically deletes old files
   lorinc: <u>g0th</u>: after you checked out the tw sourcefiles via svn, there is a setup.sh file
   <br> take alook, then chmod +x , then run it
   <br> it takes care of assigning permissions and creating necessary directories
   <br> it even helps setting up multi-tikis: one tikiwiki install can serve multiple webhosts, each with a separate db
   g0th: I just need one
   <br> where do I put the tiki wiki sources?
   <br> Since update is done but a simple svn up command I assume that the wiki sources should be at /var/www/ (or whatever web dir I use)
   <br> hmm or not
   <br> I guess the /var/www can access the corresponding directory where i downloaded it somehow, what is the usual thing to do?
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   g0th: on the web page it says that tiki 9 is the current stable version with LTS, is that correct? at other places it says that tiki 9 is the development version /me is confused
   <br> anyone, where do I put the initial tiki files? in /var/www/9.x?
   <br> or in /usr/local/srC/tiki/9.x? what is the usual way?
   xavi: <u>g0th</u>: usual way is /var/www
   <br> so that they are shown in your base domain, without your prefixes
   <br> (provided that you don't customize the setup in your apache for custom settings, etc)
   <br> and you are right with the confusion (wiki way of doing things here in Tiki :-) you are welcome to fix those issues) :-)
   <br> afaik, Tiki9 will (might) be considered LTS when 9.1 is released or so...
   <br> but I'm not 100% sure about this...
   <br> however, you can get for sure that 9.x branch will be maintained the longest possible as LTS
   <br> regardless of the fact of when it's considered "THE" LTS version of Tiki (currently, Tiki6 is "THE" LTS, afaik)
   <br> hth
   <br> btw, g0th, just for curiosity: what does "biomech" stand for in your case? Biomechanics?
   -: xavi is a biologist working in a research institute
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r42148 10/branches/9.x/lang/es/language.php: just a few changes (edited and commited with phpstorm on gnu/linux behind a proxy: kind of test... :-)
   g0th: <u>xavi</u>: yes
   <br> so I will use the 9.x branch?
   <br> it has some nice calendar support iirc
   <br> is mysql 5.0.95-log ok?
   <br> ouff, the utf8 seems to be a big issue
   <br> so many places where the encoding comes up
   Jyhem: that's mostly html encoding issues, I think. Not so much utf8 anymore
   Tiki|bot: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4257 - - No fileId on share file url when context menus are unchecked  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4257
   g0th: in the mysql database I have now most settings are not with utf8, is that an issue?
   <br> should I try to change all to utf8_unicode or something like that?
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   xavi: back
   <br> <u>g0th</u>: are you upgrading or installing from scratch?
   changi: <u>xavi</u>: so , how do you feel with phpstorm ?
   xavi: hi changi: it was just a quick test. so far so good (the only think that doesn't make me fill 100% well is that it's not Free/Libre Open Source Software)
   <br> I'll test more deeply whenever I can invest some time to (try to) debug something...
   <br> which is not now unluckily
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   g0th: <u>xavi</u>: installing from scratch
   xavi: polom-morning for ricks99
   g0th: in the db I can choose collation:
   <br> there is a huge list of all kinds of languages/etc
   xavi: @ricks99: whenever you have your coffees :-), I fired a css question yesterday on irc ... if you could share your wisdom on the issue... it would be very welcome :-)
   <br> <u>g0th</u>: I would suggest that you stick to utf8 everywhere
   <br> choose ut8_unicode (for instance) as collation
   <br> and all the other default things in a new install will set everything else for you in utf8
   <br> bbl
   <br> @ ricks99: http://irc.tiki.org/irclogger_log/tikiwiki?date=2012-06-27,Wed&amp;sel=46#l42
   <br> ^the css question
   <br> bbl
   ricks99: hi xavi
   <br> looking (and drinking coffee)
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42149 10/branches/9.x/ (lib/smarty_tiki/function.icon.php styles/layout/layout.css): [FIX] icons: Don't even try and use the main img directory to display the error icon, but return a "safe" span instead. (if the directory security has failed then this will probably also fail)
   xavi: back
   g0th: <u>xavi</u>: ok, I changed it to utf8_unicode_ci (there is also utf8_bin, I don't understand all those options and what they do...). My current plan is to checkout the svn repo to tiki9, do chown -R apache.w3biomech tiki9, mv  tiki9 /web/biomech3/...
   xavi: skip the manual chown. "sh setup.sh" will do that for you
   <br> plus other needed things
   g0th: I don't understand why I need to run setup.sh, because iirc I can already access now, I guess I should "mv tiki9/* .."
   xavi: read the sh file
   <br> if you wish
   g0th: ok so setup.sh is just for the permissions?
   <br> ah ofc :)
   <br> ok
   <br> thx
   xavi: np
   g0th: is the plan above ok?
   xavi: yes in most cases
   <br> (it depends in your desired setup in apache, domain, etc)
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   xavi: I would say, try all those things in your localhost first
   <br> then you'll undertand all those things much more easily
   <br> my 2 cents
   ricks99: <u>xavi</u>: try using {img src="url2foo.jpg"... imalign="center" align="center"}
   <br> one centers the image (only) the other the entire div
   xavi: wohoo! thnks I'll try
   <br> (that would be an easy fix to add to the default syntax added in my file gals)
   -: ricks99 keeping track of how much coffee xavi owes rick :)
   xavi: :-D
   <br> <u>ricks99</u>: you know, you can get paid all that coffee this August, if for some reason you (and family?) decide to attend the TikiFestBarcelona3 ;-)
   <br> http://tiki.org/TikiFestBarcelona3
   ricks99: would *love* too...
   <br> however, we are going on vacation.. to wisconsin
   <br> not *quite* the same as spain. :)
   xavi: he he, I know (for the good and for the bad) :-)
   <br> we have plenty of everything here
   ricks99: not sure that im going to be able to survive 10 days with no wifi
   xavi: :-)
   <br> you can ask marclaporte1 for his recipe to cope with these situations...
   ricks99: to be honest, think it will be quite nice change of pace
   <br> do some hiking, biking, fishing, and non Tiki stuff :)
   xavi: :-)
   <br> yes, in that case, don't use marclaporte1's recipe :-)
   g0th: hmm but setup.sh doesn't ask for the user, just for the group
   xavi: <u>g0th</u>: run as root (or with sudo) and it will
   g0th: I don't think I can, I'll try
   <br> but user should be able to change the user to apache
   <br> hmm, ok I will ask my admin to give me more rights :)
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   xavi: <u>g0th</u>: or run chown by hand if you can as you initially planned
   Bsfez: polom guys
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   chibaguy: polom
   xavi: hi Bsfez and chibaguy
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   <br> hot poloms
   Bsfez: hot... ? weather ?
   chibaguy: hi xavi and everybody :-)
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42150 10/branches/9.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
   <br> tikiwiki: [FIX] users: Set admin user created and registeredDate fields to install time
   <br> tikiwiki: for new installs, and retrospectively set null values to the earliest schema
   <br> tikiwiki: installed on the system (so will be incorrect for Tikis installed before 2008)
   jonnyb: yup, summer's finally here! :)
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03xavidp * r42151 10/branches/9.x/lang/es/language.php: a few more strings and fixing errors
   ricks99: very hot in NC today, too... nearing 100F
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42152 10/branches/9.x/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl: [FIX] users: Add Registered date to users admin list to make spammer removal simpler, and improve layout a little (Thanks Oliver)
   xavi: thks jonnyb
   Bsfez: nearly 86f here and i feel it is hot. ! :D
   jonnyb: we've gone all metric here so i have no idea! :)
   <br> hi xavi
   <br> did you see marclaporte1 persuaded me to come to Barcelona3? ;)
   xavi: did him??? :-)
   <br> I had no idea...
   <br> did he succeed?
   <br> :-)
   jonnyb: yup - even though i'm going to have to fly direct from there to the arctic... just sounded too much fun to miss! :)
   <br> packing could be tricky...
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42153 10/branches/9.x/templates/tiki-adminusers.tpl: [MOD] users: Move the assign to group icon into the actions column to make it more obvious that it is an "action" icon, and move the remove icon to after the group name (will roll back if everyone hates it)
   jonnyb: hey xavi and all, see what you think about this ^^ commit, i think it's much better, but let me know if you think not
   <br> i had a client the other day ask how he was supposed to know the assign group icon was an action? i had to agree...
   Jyhem: Polom
   <br> Yeah !!!! jonnyb will be in Barcelona :-) o/
   -: Jyhem happy
   jonnyb: well, still working out logistics, it's going to be tricky and i have agreed to be in Tr�mso on the 26th August
   <br> but hopefully i should make it
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   jonnyb: bbl
   xavi: back
   <br> nice that you jyhem and jonnyb can make it to Barcelona :-)
   chibaguy: Is it a TikiFest in Barcelona?
   xavi: yes http://tiki.org/TikiFestBarcelona3
   <br> feel free to join (while we still have room in the flat)
   <br> last time in that flat we got accomodated there with extra double bed inflatable matresses in spare rooms and "patio"...
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   chibaguy: Heh, I wish I could, but no time or money :-)
   xavi: we'll meet in person one day, chibaguy
   <br> ok, I must leave. cheers
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   panamaus: OK, maybe one of you nice folks will be able to tell me what I'm doing wrong here
   <br> I'm trying to use the TrackerList plugin as described on the User Groups page (http://doc.tiki.org/User+Groups)
   <br> I'm running 8.4
   <br> If the user is a member of only one group (Admins, for instance), it works
   <br> If the user is a member of more than one group, I get nothing
   <br> I have tried every different kind of syntax I can derive from available instructions, but just can't get it to work
   <br> I can't find anything in bug reports or irc logs about this feature being broken
   jonnyb: hi panamaus - have you tried the other "value" param - filtervalue i think it is
   <br> maybe the exact bit is tripping it up
   panamaus: I've tried both
   <br> with quotes and without, with commas for the array and without
   jonnyb: could be a bug
   panamaus: I've tried specifying every group that a user would be a member of too, but there's no examples provided for how that syntax would look
   jonnyb: i found yesterday that this field wasn't searchable using the {list} plugin, so could be related (fixed in 9.x)
   panamaus: I guess I could download 9.0 and put it on my dev instance to see if that fixes it
   Jyhem: <u>panamaus</u>: maybe it looks for the default group of the user ?
   jonnyb: the fix was in the {list} plugin which is the new (better) way of doing tracker lists, i'm not really working on trackerlist anymore unless provoked! :)
   panamaus: OK, good to know
   <br> Wow, the {list} plugin looks very complicated
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42154 10/branches/9.x/lib/core/Search/ (Expr/Parser.php Index/Lucene.php): [FIX] search: 2nd attempt at changing the default Lucene boolean operator - simply setting the global operator meant all the terms had to be present in all the fields (title, content etc)
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   <br> <u>q</u>: regarding pretty trackers....
   <br> i have a tracker that can have comments. how can i 1. display the comments in a pretty tracker and 2. allow visitors (with permission) to post new comments to the tracker?
   <br> all from the pretty tracker page
   jonnyb: hi ricks99 - think this has come up before but i don't think there's any way of doing it now
   ricks99: :(
   jonnyb: you can probably show them using the {list} plugin :)
   <br> but doubt you could allow adding new ones
   ricks99: *sigh*
   <br> gonna have to use discus instead of tiki for comments :(
   <br> crap
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42155 10/trunk/ (12 files in 11 dirs): [MRG] Automatic merge, branches/9.x 42130 to 42154
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   Topic: for #tikiwikiis now Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware - Software made the Wiki Way - Tiki 9.0 is out! Question? Just ask. We log the channel @ http://irc.tiki.org (start line with [off] to exclude message from log)
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   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42156 10/branches/9.x/templates/list_file_gallery.tpl: [FIX] filegals: Always show the checked file actions in list mode
   changi: polom
   jonnyb: hi changi
   changi: easy question : is it possible to disable cache for wiki page that are used in trackerlist ?
   ricks99: <u>changi</u>: y, you can override wiki cache on a page-by-page basis
   changi: i'm creating an example on demo.tiki.org because what i am doing is a little tricky :)
   panamaus: <u>jonnyb</u>: It occurs to me that if someone wanted to promote the adoption and use of a newer, better plugin ({list} in this case) over an older, broken one ({trackerlist} again in this case), updating the docs pages (for instance, http://doc.tiki.org/User+Groups) with examples of use would be a really cool thing for somebody to do
   <br> but I know that coders don't have time to write documetation. ;)
   jonnyb: how did you guess ;)
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   jonnyb: trackerlist and trackerfilter aren't particularly broken - obviously that field type seems to have an issue sadly
   <br> interesting you said earlier that {list} seems very complicated - personally i thing the tracker plugins are pretty hairy, too many options
   <br> mainly the docs need improving lots
   panamaus: odd though that the issue could be fixed in 9.x for {list} but still leave User Groups not working in the other plugins
   <br> or, at least to me, but I'm not a coder
   jonnyb: really it was a fix for how unified search deals with UserGroups (which is what {list} uses)
   panamaus: I thought it interesting too that there have been several enhanced, feature-rich plugins improving the ability to search and display finding results, but Tiki's built-in search feature and its many deficiencies are basically the same
   <br> I am still new to Tiki though so my perspective is probably lacking in historical context
   changi: <u>ricks99</u>: what do you mean by page-by-page ?
   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42157 10/trunk/lib/filegals/filegallib.php: [FIX] filegals: Add fileId to values returned from get_file_by_name
   <br> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42158 10/trunk/lib/core/Services/File/Controller.php: [ENH] filegals: New action for File service to find a file by name
   <br> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42159 10/trunk/lib/prefs/feature.php: [FIX] jcapture: Add file gallery dependency
   <br> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42160 10/trunk/lib/jcapture_tiki/tiki-jcapture.js: [ENH] jcapture: Implement new toolbar button and code to insert results in textarea, plus various other minor improvements (thanks marclaporte)
   <br> tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42161 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [ENH] jcapture: Implement new toolbar button and code to insert results in textarea, plus various other minor improvements (thanks marclaporte)
   jonnyb: more tomorrow, byee
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   CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r42162 10/branches/9.x/templates/list_file_gallery_content.tpl: [FIX] Missing index when context menu are disabled - [http://dev.tiki.org/item4257]
   <br> tikiwiki: 03changi67 * r42163 10/branches/9.x/lib/smarty_tiki/function.html_select_date.php: [REVERT/36671] It introduce a regression, in tracker you can't have a start year before 1970 with date_time field [http://dev.tiki.org/item4253]
   Tiki|bot: Recent Bug: Tracker item: #4258 - - Plugin Alias missing Save button - cannot create or edit new Plugin Aliases after upgrade  - http://dev.tiki.org/item4258
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