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jjdash: hi
<br> how do I make a module that simply links to some url?
<br> to https://biomech-wiki.ethz.ch/tiki-calendar.php actually
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jjdash: hmm, is it possible to make a bookmarks menu that has as entries the bookmarks?
<br> <u>also</u>: is there some way to group calendars? like cal1-7 belongs to group1 and cal8 to group2 or something like that?
<br> one group would be for "machine reservation" and one for social events
<br> hmm, is there a possibility to undo?
<br> I just deleted 3 hours of work, damn
pedor: hi, google has deprecated maps api v2 and it will stop work on may 2013, is there any plan to upgrade google maps feature to the api v3?
jjdash: I thought ok redoing didn't take that long ^^
<br> -I thought
marclaporte: About Maps: here is recent great use of Tiki Maps: http://profiles.tiki.org/Cartograf
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pedor: <u>marclaporte</u>: nice
marclaporte: upcoming TikiFest: http://www.facebook.com/events/318582914897763/
<br> <u>pedor</u>: you saw video?
<br> so this is all with OpenLayers so it can use Google Maps or OpenStreetMap
pedor: <u>marclaporte</u>: yes, amazing
<br> really liked it
<br> there's a lot of options
<br> one thing I didn't understand is why i have to install a profile. i think i don't know exactly what is a profile, lol
marclaporte: a profile makes you save time
<br> instead of doing all the configuration manually, it's a script which does it for you
<br> More details here: http://profiles.tiki.org/Welcome+to+Tiki+Profiles
pedor: but it won't change my own configuration?
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<br> hello
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g0th: hi, how can I make a module that links directly to some page?
<br> I plan to make a nice contacts db of all registered users
<br> I want to have several additional fields to the standard ones and I would like to present it in some nice way
<br> originally I planned to use a registration tracker, but you cannot register if ldap authentication is used (the user is "already" registered kind of)
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g0th: so my idea was to link the user to some tracker input page (his standard homepage) until he filled out all required fields and then link him to some other homepage, that's my first issue: how todo this?
<br> second one: how do I list all (or individual) tracker information together with already existing user information in some nice table?
<br> is there a template/documentation/plugin/profile for that?
<br> in general: how do I make one page display until a certain criteria is met and then display another page, in particular for the group homepage
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jjg0th: is it somehow possible to upload directories to the file gallery?
<br> is the only option to first zip them?
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jjg0th: how do I make a module that directly links to the calendar?
changi: <u>jjg0th</u>: you can use webdav access
<br> <u>jjg0th</u>: is it a link you want or display calendar ?
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<br> polom
<br> I need a quick short help, but very urgent
<br> I locked myself out from a website and need to reset the admin account from the server/database
<br> I forgot the link and do not have much time
<br> does anybody know the link to the docpage off hand?
<br> I just to reread the steps and will know again ... just not sure off hand
<br> pls
<br> I am searching doc.tiki.org same time now
<br> uhhh found it finally: http://doc.tiki.org/Lost+admin+password ... thx anyway, if somebody was checking for it aswell
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changi: <u>fabricius</u>: ok
<br> :)
fabricius: :-)
RobertPlummer: polom all
fabricius: So I am back in the system
<br> another question ... and I do not know if it would be a providers issue or a Tiki issue:
<br> a website was moved from one provider account to another account at the same provider
<br> website works, all links seem to be ok
<br> I copied the website and did set it up as subdomain (to check the upgrade first)
<br> I made the upgrade from Tiki 6.4 to tiki 9 SVN
RobertPlummer: Have we found a possible project that could be integrated that guards against spam guys?
fabricius: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: not yet I guess, but I am refusing most registrations since yesterday
<br> <u>RobertPlummer</u>: will setup some questions for registrations to be more sure about the regs
<br> <u>RobertPlummer</u>: asap
<br> back to my problem:
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: I'm not sure how affective that will be.
<br> http://www.spambotsecurity.com/zbblock.php
fabricius: when I type in a full domain with a page that I know, I can access the new upgraded wesite
RobertPlummer: (I have very little experience with blocking spam)
fabricius: but when I type in just the domain without any page (example.com instead of example,com/some+known+page) I am directed to a folder in the old account
<br> what this might be?
RobertPlummer: Drupal I don't think has a very good spam blocker, but I seem to remember that I've never seen it to bad with wordpress.
<br> http://mashable.com/2008/02/10/fighting-spam-wordpress/
fabricius: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: the problem at the moment is less the spam itself, but the registration ... they now do not use certain particular domains of their own, but they use webmail-accounts (hotmail.com actually) which you cannot identify first hand, without locking out non-spammers or non-robots
jjg0th: <u>changi</u>: I tried webdav but it didn't work, I'm using windows 7 at the moment, I tried several different things
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: I disagree, those email addresses stink of spam.
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fabricius: I refuse them anyway, but I do not know if that is a longterm solution just to refuse what I THINK it MIGHT be spam
ohertel: hello :-)
RobertPlummer: polom ohertel
fabricius: hi ohertel
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: http://doc.tiki.org/Akismet ?
<br> Do we have that turned on? Any way it could help us here?
<br> http://sw-guide.de/wordpress/plugins/simple-trackback-validation/
fabricius: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: I think, we might be talking about to different sides of the same medal (medal is Spam)
<br> I understand you talking about SPAM content somehow delivered to our websites
<br> but I am talking about registrations
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: http://bad-behavior.ioerror.us/about/ is compatible with our licensing.
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: If analysis is of the ip and headers, I feel this may be an affective strategy in preventing spam registrations and not just content.
fabricius: <u>simply</u>: is there a way to detect or even better autosetect if a registration comes from a spammer or from a decent person
<br> so you think with bad-behaviour it would be possible?
RobertPlummer: bad behavior uses track back technology, which I believe is what you speak of.
<br> Perhaps an interview with the developer would be in line?
<br> (or we could simply try it)
fabricius: hmmm I am in a big hurry to get the upgrade done, cause I have an appointment afterwords ... could we talk about that another time, when I would be more focused?
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: You got it.
fabricius: generally I agree absolutely that we nedd a solution - even some trial
<br> need
<br> and bad-behaviour was mentioned before
<br> I will have a look at it and we discuss it lateron
<br> maybe a discussion will happen between you and s.b. else and you could foward the conclusion to me ...
<br> just now I must do the work - sorry, no focus on that this afternoon
ohertel: is captcha available for comments too?
fabricius: <u>btw</u>: i found the problem with the redirect -> a bad configuration of the customer in his Tiki
RobertPlummer: *high-fives fabricius*
fabricius: *high-fives RobertPlummer*
ohertel: *nine-to-fives work* :-p
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ohertel: how about adding captcha for like everything? for comments and registration validation too...
<br> with alternatives like doing math ( what is x + y ? ) and randomly ask one of those pot
<br> protection methods?
RobertPlummer: <u>ohertel</u>: I think it would be a good idea, but I don't think it is the most affective.
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ohertel: just checked, akismet would cost us some money. $5/ month or more
RobertPlummer: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/bad-behavior/
<br> bad behavior seems to have great reviews from wordpress.
<br> http://www.ruchirablog.com/wordpress-bad-behavior-plugin-blocks-legitimate-bots/
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RobertPlummer: maybe it isn't a good fit if it blocks good bots.
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RobertPlummer: http://bad-behavior.ioerror.us/support/faq/ at the bottom looks promissing
ohertel: having a look later
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GillesM: hello when I import Trackers from CVS I loose all the characters after accentued chars ... idea ?
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<br> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r42217 10/trunk/lib/core/WikiPlugin/CKEditorNegotiator.php: [NEW] Create ckeditor's own negotiator
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ohertel: <u>GillesM</u>: hm, sounds like a bug
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<br> it never rains but it poloms
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<br> tikiwiki: 03robertplummer * r42224 10/trunk/lib/core/WikiPlugin/CKEditorNegotiator.php: [FIX] Make wysiwyg work in new parser, WOOHOO!
ohertel: woohoo :-D
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jjg0th: hi
<br> how do I get rid of the "map" in mytiki?
<br> I don't need any country/map information
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ohertel: i think there is no official way to disable it (yet).
jonnyb: you could hide it with some custom css
<br> hi ohertel
<br> how's tiki.org now? avatar thing sorted out? did you ever work out what went wrong?
ohertel: i would like to disable it completely too, because we use tiki in our company intranet.
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: temporary workaround. will have a close look into it next days.
jonnyb: ok, let me know if i can help
jjg0th: nice idea with custom css
<br> one issue
jonnyb: isn't there a map feature pref somewhere?
jjg0th: I use ldap but I also want to create separate (guest) tiki users
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: I disabled all it still shows up
<br> I enabled "use tiki auth for users created in tiki" and created a guest users as admin, I then logged in (successfully) as guest, logged out and as admin assigned the user to another group, then I tried to login again but now it says "invalid password"?!?!?
jonnyb: hmm, looks like it's not optional - an LP thing ;)
jjg0th: any idea why I cannot login as guest anymore?
<br> I should mention that guest is no longer "registered"
<br> I moved him to "guest"
<br> hmm oh he still is registered
<br> but also guest
<br> but guest does not inherit from registered, anyway ^^
ohertel: <-- catching the train, laters!
jjg0th: nooo!
<br> ok, bye :)
<br> hmm what is tried first? ldap or tiki?
jonnyb: sry - never done ldap
<br> and need food, back later
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RobertPlummer: On that last once, should have said 'levels', woops
jjg0th: hmm, could this login failure be related to user trackers?
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jjg0th: I can only login _once_ after that I can no longer login with the newly created user?!?
<br> hmm, I accidantely removed the admin from admin
<br> how can I add myself again?
<br> please!
<br> emergency situation
<br> I can access the db through phpmysql
<br> phpmyadmin I mean
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arildb: Hi jjg0th: try to insert a row in users_usergroups, which linkes the user to the Admins group
jjg0th: what do I put in created?
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jjg0th: hmm how do I even add an entry
<br> and is that save?
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jjg0th: <u>arildb</u>: and for created I just put some number?
<br> yes!
<br> recovered
jonnyb: <u>jjg0th</u>: done it?
jjg0th: my current plan now is the following
<br> I give a user admin rights
<br> then I remove the admin from admin group
<br> then I login as that user
<br> and then I add the admin to the admin group again
<br> to make sure all is in order
jonnyb: how did oyu remove admin from Admin? shouldn't be possible
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<br> re
<br> in admin groups
<br> in admin groups, I assumed it was not necessary to make the admin a group member because he is the admin
<br> and it worked without beeing a member before
<br> apparently I was mistaken ^^
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-: jjg0th feels very happy and recovered from a panic ;)
jjg0th: well I still could have used an older backup
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jjg0th: arildb and jonnyb: thx for the help :)
jonnyb: well done jjg0th
<br> it would still be useful to know how did you removed admin from Admin?
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<br> tikiwiki: [NEW] cookie consent feature: Force users to agree to accepting cookies, and avoid setting any until they agree (optional of course)
<br> tikiwiki: This is to comply with the PECR EC Directive (Privacy and Electronics Communications Regulations)
<br> tikiwiki: Various changes to setup were required to get things in the right order, and some to non-javascript and cookie handling were required, please test!
<br> tikiwiki: (thanks eromneg)
RobertPlummer: Anyone interesting in seeing something pretty cool: http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-index.php?page=Website%20b forwardlink-protocol action going on!
<br> (look for the asterisk)
<br> and follow them
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jonnyb: <u>RobertPlummer</u>: forward link looks like it probably works, but i'm still a bit in the dark as to what it's for
RobertPlummer: <u>jonnyb</u>: It is really more for research projects, but it can be used with anything. In short you are writing an article on something. You want to link to it, but what if that link breaks? And how do you want the site you are linking to to know you are linking to it?
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: the site you are using a contribution from highlights the text that you were interested dynamically.
jonnyb: hmm, ok - i guess it makes sense if you need it :)
RobertPlummer: And if the page changes, your link changes as long as the text you used to create it does. If the page no longer contains the text, you are sent to where it last did.
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: I thought it was craze at first, but we could use it all over tiki man.
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: You wanna run through a demo if it with me sometime? I'd like to get another developer to understand how it works? I'm writing the implementation guide right now.
fabricius: hi robert
RobertPlummer: hi fabricius
fabricius: still busy with my upgrade, but one of two sites of the guy is restructured now, switched to SVN and upgraded and ...
RobertPlummer: I hate "..."
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: What svn branch did he switch to?
fabricius: I did switch him to 9 - why?
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: "..."
<br> <u>fabricius</u>: Everything go ok?
fabricius: ah yes, smooth
RobertPlummer: <u>fabricius</u>: I had a problem yesterday I deployed someone on 9 svn and there was a $this-> ref in the installer, but saw it fixed this morning.
fabricius: on my own projects I work with pre-9 since last year, when it was a fresh trunk
<br> hmm
<br> this site is nearly only wiki and articles ... not using many features
<br> but massively bad configured
<br> and the server folder structure and all the naming of databases and stuff aswell
<br> I am overviewing everything and do it like I think any tikiadmin would find everything in 5 minutes
<br> clean root
<br> then a system for every wesite
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fabricius: webroot/websitename/files/subfolders and webroot/websitename/SVN_Version
<br> websitename should contain teh maindomain of the installation and maybe a desciptive word, if necessary
<br> names of dbs and dbusers same procedure
<br> and all that has to be prepared before the svn checkout and then the issus when the customer complains what does not or not yet work due to his (or the providers) settings and you then have to fix afterwords (or before) ...
<br> that is the "..." and yes I hate it aswell :-D
<br> especially if I have no time and had different appointments whilst I am stuck for hours in a 30 minutes job
<br> RobertPlummer and jonnyb and who is interested: How can I explain a customer, why I do not wnt to install a Tiki into the Tiki-root directory of another Tiki installation?
<br> on his hostgator account there is one Tikisite setup with the primary domain, which only can be pointed into the over-all-web-root
<br> thus all other websites would be installed in the root of the first Tiki installation
<br> he does not understand, why I want him either use a subdomain for the first site or order another domain as primary domain to have the first one avalable as add-on and move the installation to a subfolder of the over-all-web-root
<br> it technically would work - even with svn - but it would be a mess ... I do want a clean structure and not such stuff
<br> I just find it strange to install one Tiki into another, whilst I even move the files directory one level up out of the Tikiroot
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<br> hi
<br> can I make an user an 'admin' of a group ? what I want is that this 'group admin' decides who joins (or kicks) from the group
jonnyb: i think so LooX - but you need to make another group that is the "group admin group"
<br> tiki permissions are always for groups rather than users
LooX: ohh nice.. i think i found how
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LooX: thanks, and thanks for the software :)
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changi: polom
jonnyb: hi changi
changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: i want to make some cleanup in filegallib to remove useless param, trunk or 9.x ?
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jonnyb: probably 9.x - any risk?
changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: don't think so, it only a matter of using "id" instead of "fileId", lp comment that in lib and i think someone need to do it
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jonnyb: like where? (fileId is the column name in the db, right?)
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changi: <u>jonnyb</u>: just have a look at lib/filegals/filegallib +2316
-: jonnyb looks
jonnyb: hmm, looks chewy, enjoy! :)
jjdash: re
g0th: <u>jonnyb</u>: About removing admin group from admin, I went to group admin, beforehand I decided to add admin to all groups, then I decided to revert that and clicked on remove. I thought I clicked on remove "Guest" or "Registered" but what happened was that the admin lost the admin group, so maybe I clicked on the wrong spot, or it automatically removed admin because admin inherits from guest/etc...
<br> anyway, fortunately with phpmyadmin it was rather easy to correct that
jonnyb: hmm, thanks g0th - it shouldn't really let you do that, should it
g0th: I thought so too, was too careless
jonnyb: i'll check, thanks!
g0th: maybe it was because admin inherits and I remove on of the lower groups
<br> maybe directly it doesnt work but indirectly it does or something like that
<br> <u>jonnyb</u>: maybe you can help me, I use ldap auth. and selected tiki auth for users created by tiki. So I created a guest user, logged in with it no problem, logged out and tried to login again but now it doesn't work anymore?! :(
<br> in the mysql database there was no password stored (I checked and there was no hash)
jonnyb: i doubt you can mix tiki auth users with ldap users - don't know, never used ldap i'm afraid
g0th: well it worked once
<br> and it works for the admin
<br> and according to the options there it is supposed to work
jonnyb: admin is probably special
g0th: another issue: wysiwyg vs. wiki syntax switching is extremely buggy
<br> is there some way to make it work?
<br> i.e. if I switch the edit mode it will change the page
<br> :(
<br> I applied the wysiwyg profile 6.something, it said I had to get rid of an error message for calendars
<br> maybe that messed stuff u
<br> up
jonnyb: error message for calendars? not seen that bit
<br> the syntax switching can be tricky (if you're not using the "Use Wiki syntax in WYSIWYG" feature)
<br> because some html stuff you can do in wysiwyg cannot be reproduced in wiki syntax
g0th: so I should enable wiki syntax in wysiwyg?
<br> nice, thx for the hint
jonnyb: if you need to switch between the two editors a lot, it should be more reliable
g0th: hmm but it doesnt support editing :(
jonnyb: you in Tiki 9.x?
g0th: yes
jonnyb: how do you mean?
g0th: according to the highlight text the wysiwyg editor is not supposed to work
<br> only in source mode
<br> still not working at all
jonnyb: odd - plugin edit should work the same
g0th: my main problem is that it is not possible to create a tiki user
<br> how do I make it possible that guest users can login?
<br> I have university users that can login using ldap but I also want to be able to allow an external guest to login
<br> :(
<br> the only solution I see is to completely drop the support for ldap authentication which is the backbone of my whole site concept
jonnyb: can you not get the guest user created in ldap?
g0th: I cannot change ldap stuff
<br> it is from the whole university, ofc I don't have root access to it :)
<br> so for collaboration we don't want to wait a day until the eth gives the external guy a guest account
<br> hmm, maybe one has to use a name that is not used yet, lemme try
<br> hmm, nope
CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42239 10/branches/9.x/tiki-adminusers.php: [MOD] users: Add a stronger warning confirmation if removing admin from Admins (thanks g0th)
jonnyb: re ^^ - seemed the best i could do, just added a clearer warning if removing admin from Admins
g0th: wb :)
<br> what happens when a user logs in resp. logs out?
<br> somehow the settings (i.e. db) is changed and the user after this can no longer login
jonnyb: when it did work (adding a guest tiki user) how about copying the pw hash from the database and adding it back in after it's disappeared?
g0th: lemme try
<br> but that's no solution, just a test ;)
<br> that works!
<br> it even remembers it!!!
<br> so you just need to get this working from the wiki side
<br> oh no, it was the refresh command in mysql I guess that put back the ahsh
<br> hash*
<br> why was that not written anywhere? That's like the _first_ important thing to write about ldap authentication and the configuration even clearly suggests that it is possible to add your own users :(
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g0th: got it!!!
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g0th: it was one of the following options: groupTracker, userTracker, syncUsersWithDirectory, most probably the last one
<br> (confirmed: syncUsersWithDirectory, makes sense that this has to be deactivated to make tiki users possible)
CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03jonnybradley * r42240 10/branches/9.x/lib/menubuilder/menulib.php: [FIX] menus: When using the sectionLevel param, "promoted" top level items were getting a type of "0" but should be "s" (thanks luci & marc)
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CIA-75: tikiwiki: 03marclaporte * r42241 10/branches/9.x/lib/prefs/cas.php: Add a default port for CAS. Thanks to Michael Jeanson of revolutionlinux.com
jonnyb: that's all for now folks, more 2moro!